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Veganism for weight loss
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WitPhillips wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-china-study-revisited/
The china study is pretty bad. And that you rebounded from it even though "they" say you won't because it's so good and *kitten* should tell you how seriously you should take "them".
Thanks for the link. I'm just trying to listen to my body and I'm still concerned about B12 deficiency, so I'm not back to being 100% plant based.
B12 supplementation is pretty easy -- lots of non-vegans also supplement B12.0 -
I recently became an vegan, as did my boyfriend. My boyfriend actually gained muscle from making the switch from animal protein to plant protein. Why? I'm not sure. He still eats the same calories. Just better nutrition. I, on the other hand, am a fat vegan. I am losing weight now that I am vegan. I have not done a lot of exercise lately so I cannot comment on my muscle and it's strengths. I do lose more inches and fewer pounds more quickly as a vegan in comparison to when I was dieting and omnivorous. I very much believe it has to do with the limitations as a vegan. It's hard to eat junk. I usually stick to chick peas and mixed veggies, nori, rice, and occasional fruits.0
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I think it's best to call health- or diet-motivated no animal products diets "plant-based," as to me vegan means an ethical position.0
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There is no reason they shouldn't0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »I think it's best to call health- or diet-motivated no animal products diets "plant-based," as to me vegan means an ethical position.
I agree with this statement, but then again, I'm biased. So, whatevs.0 -
tofu haters are the best cause then i get all the tofu and they can go be wrong somewhere else
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salembambi wrote: »tofu haters are the best cause then i get all the tofu and they can go be wrong somewhere else
Arm wrestle you for it.0 -
salembambi wrote: »tofu haters are the best cause then i get all the tofu and they can go be wrong somewhere else
You can have all of my tofu, from now until I die. 0 -
Interested? Sure, I'd try it once! Maybe not right now, but if it ever became necessary for health, count me in!
It's not necessary for health. With modern vitamin supplements, it need not be actively harmful to health, but any restricted diet requires extra care to meet nutrition needs versus a more varied diet.
You can be very healthy on either a vegan or a non-vegan diet, and conversely you can be very unhealthy on a vegan or a non-vegan diet.0 -
True, but sometimes one's doctor can decide that such a radical lifestyle is necessary. After all, one does not usually go gluten-free without prescription to do so.rankinsect wrote: »Interested? Sure, I'd try it once! Maybe not right now, but if it ever became necessary for health, count me in!
It's not necessary for health. With modern vitamin supplements, it need not be actively harmful to health, but any restricted diet requires extra care to meet nutrition needs versus a more varied diet.
You can be very healthy on either a vegan or a non-vegan diet, and conversely you can be very unhealthy on a vegan or a non-vegan diet.0 -
True, but sometimes one's doctor can decide that such a radical lifestyle is necessary. After all, one does not usually go gluten-free without prescription to do so.rankinsect wrote: »Interested? Sure, I'd try it once! Maybe not right now, but if it ever became necessary for health, count me in!
It's not necessary for health. With modern vitamin supplements, it need not be actively harmful to health, but any restricted diet requires extra care to meet nutrition needs versus a more varied diet.
You can be very healthy on either a vegan or a non-vegan diet, and conversely you can be very unhealthy on a vegan or a non-vegan diet.
I'll not disagree with you on the first point. Doctors can and will prescribe specific diets for health purposes... keto for brain disorders is a common example.
But, to argue your second point, the vast majority of the people that I've met who've gone gluten free did not receive any kind of diagnosis but simply read a book, or an article and decided to do it. I have a reasonable sized friend group who are gluten free and only two of those people eat gluten free for specifically prescribed reasons... one is chrohn's disease and the other an as of yet undiagnosed auto-immune disorder.0 -
BecomingBane wrote: »
True, but sometimes one's doctor can decide that such a radical lifestyle is necessary. After all, one does not usually go gluten-free without prescription to do so.rankinsect wrote: »Interested? Sure, I'd try it once! Maybe not right now, but if it ever became necessary for health, count me in!
It's not necessary for health. With modern vitamin supplements, it need not be actively harmful to health, but any restricted diet requires extra care to meet nutrition needs versus a more varied diet.
You can be very healthy on either a vegan or a non-vegan diet, and conversely you can be very unhealthy on a vegan or a non-vegan diet.
I'll not disagree with you on the first point. Doctors can and will prescribe specific diets for health purposes... keto for brain disorders is a common example.
But, to argue your second point, the vast majority of the people that I've met who've gone gluten free did not receive any kind of diagnosis but simply read a book, or an article and decided to do it. I have a reasonable sized friend group who are gluten free and only two of those people eat gluten free for specifically prescribed reasons... one is chrohn's disease and the other an as of yet undiagnosed auto-immune disorder.
I would agree on the gluten free issue. I knew several people who thought a variety of gluten items makes you fat. But i know 2 people who have to do it for legitimate reasons, 1. My wifes friend with celiac and 2. My wife with POTS.
What most people dont realize is many gluten free versions have mlre calories than the non gluten version.0 -
@BecomingBane, true. As I mentioned, that's not usually the case, though. As you no doubt know, one should ideally ask the doctor before pursuing a major diet/exercise program. I meant to use GF life as an example of health decisions that are best made with physician guidance. Low-sodium living is another such example. More power to those who can undertake such a radical change alone, though!
I, for one, would be content to try excluding animal products from my life only if my healthcare team asked me to do so.
I hope your friend receives a more detailed answer/diagnosis soon!
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@BecomingBane, true. As I mentioned, that's not usually the case, though. As you no doubt know, one should ideally ask the doctor before pursuing a major diet/exercise program. I meant to use GF life as an example of health decisions that are best made with physician guidance. Low-sodium living is another such example. More power to those who can undertake such a radical change alone, though!
Honestly, most doctors have little or no knowledge of nutrtion unless its their specialty.
Edit: in fact, i have had discussuons with my wifes electrophysiologist and even he was surprised about my knowledge and i was making recommendations to him on the best supplements for electrolytes to help his patients.
Also, my friend is a University of Penn trained pedantic cardiologist and she knows nothing about nutrition. She has specialists for that.0 -
@BecomingBane, true. As I mentioned, that's not usually the case, though. As you no doubt know, one should ideally ask the doctor before pursuing a major diet/exercise program. I meant to use GF life as an example of health decisions that are best made with physician guidance. Low-sodium living is another such example. More power to those who can undertake such a radical change alone, though!
The bolded above is a very insightful statement, but the vast majority of people I talk to via IRL conversation, on this board or others that I frequent, don't tend to do that. Very few people I know consult their doctor with dietary nutrition or fitness changes that occur in their life, even if they are regularly seeing the doctor for other reasons.
While it would be ideal if that occurred prior to any lifestyle change, fitness plan, etc... it very rarely seems to.
I don't think your points are invalid, and I'm not really trying to argue with you, but it appears from my perspective that you are confusing what you do personally and what the correct thing is to do, with what actually occurs for the majority of individuals. The two can be drastically different, especially as locales change as their are many environmental factors that prevent many from going to the doctor for varying reasons not limited to beliefs, budgetary concerns, disbelief in modern medicine (or beliefs in other medicine systems such as traditional Indian or Chinese medicine, ignorance of health concerns in general, fear of doctors, etc.
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BecomingBane wrote: »
True, but sometimes one's doctor can decide that such a radical lifestyle is necessary. After all, one does not usually go gluten-free without prescription to do so.rankinsect wrote: »Interested? Sure, I'd try it once! Maybe not right now, but if it ever became necessary for health, count me in!
It's not necessary for health. With modern vitamin supplements, it need not be actively harmful to health, but any restricted diet requires extra care to meet nutrition needs versus a more varied diet.
You can be very healthy on either a vegan or a non-vegan diet, and conversely you can be very unhealthy on a vegan or a non-vegan diet.
I'll not disagree with you on the first point. Doctors can and will prescribe specific diets for health purposes... keto for brain disorders is a common example.
But, to argue your second point, the vast majority of the people that I've met who've gone gluten free did not receive any kind of diagnosis but simply read a book, or an article and decided to do it. I have a reasonable sized friend group who are gluten free and only two of those people eat gluten free for specifically prescribed reasons... one is chrohn's disease and the other an as of yet undiagnosed auto-immune disorder.
I would agree on the gluten free issue. I knew several people who thought a variety of gluten items makes you fat. But i know 2 people who have to do it for legitimate reasons, 1. My wifes friend with celiac and 2. My wife with POTS.
What most people dont realize is many gluten free versions have mlre calories than the non gluten version.
Me too. I know people who are celiac, so no question it is sometimes necessary or beneficial. I know many others who have just decided to try gluten-free or diagnosed themselves as gluten-sensitive with no dr involvement, because it's currently a thing and I live in a subculture that is into faddish diets.
My sister decided last year that gluten was causing some skin issue she had and was telling me how she thought she had to go gluten free while making herself dinner (pasta). I couldn't help but say kind of snidely "you know pasta has gluten, right?" She said "I didn't mean I was going to do it now." She has since dropped the idea and decided her issue is wool (clothing) and feta cheese.0 -
ForgetfoodDrinktea wrote: »I recently became an vegan, as did my boyfriend. My boyfriend actually gained muscle from making the switch from animal protein to plant protein. Why? I'm not sure. He still eats the same calories. Just better nutrition. I, on the other hand, am a fat vegan. I am losing weight now that I am vegan. I have not done a lot of exercise lately so I cannot comment on my muscle and it's strengths. I do lose more inches and fewer pounds more quickly as a vegan in comparison to when I was dieting and omnivorous. I very much believe it has to do with the limitations as a vegan. It's hard to eat junk. I usually stick to chick peas and mixed veggies, nori, rice, and occasional fruits.
He gained muscle on the same calories, and the same exercise? How did you determine he gained muscle?0 -
OneTwentyThree wrote: »Its not a fad diet for everyone. I get digestive issues when I eat gluten even though ive been tested negative for celiac. I dont replace gluten foods with other gluten free processed foods because those can give me issues as well.
If you havent been in the shoes of the people who think they are gluten sensitive then you dont really know what it feels like. It seems unnecessary and wrong to judge them, no?
Also gluten is not a nutritional necessity. If you quit it, you dont end up being deficient in any vitamins or lose out on anything important that your body needs. Its not that big of deal.
I love that gluten free helps me also avoid high calorie junk food but theres other reasons nonceliacs become gf.
In all fairness, no one particular food or food group is nutritionally required. It's why there are so many elimination type diets.0 -
You can be very healthy on a vegan diet. Pay attention to your nutrients.0
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cookielover_96 wrote: »It's possible,but the vegans I've seen look frail
Me too, especially those competing in the Iron Man triathlons. 0 -
For over 20 years I was vegetarian and a few of those pescatarian then I turned vegan for a year. Recently I've return to vegetarianism to help increase my healthy fat consumption for a keto diet. In my experience I wouldn't consider vegan/vego as a weight lose tool. Both lifestyles allow you the choice to reduce/increase your macro percentages while fulfilling your nutritional needs. I suspect most individual who experiences weight lose after choosing to become either vego/vegan have likely reduced or eliminated processed foods. I'm sure there are other explanations for weight lose after the switch but this to be a common occurrence. I have always considered myself to be a reasonably clean eater but realised once I went vegan and had to pay a lot more attention to detail that I was consuming quite a few nastys unknowingly.
Re the comment about vegans having a hard time finding palatable proteins, funniest thing I've read all day.0 -
When I was vegan I gained weight. I wasn't healthy about it though. It's really about eating a balanced diet, whatever diet you choose to follow...0
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I have stuck to eating a vegan whole foods which are organic at 50/50 raw to cooked with maintaining a macro nutrient ratio of 60-30-10 carb-fat-protein. I have went from 34% body fat to 25% body fat and 32% muscle mass to 36% muscle mass and increased my bone density in just 2 months. My staple foods include avocados, potatoes, sweet potatoes, lentils, white rice, bananas, olives, and macadamia nuts. I also combine this with intermittent fasting, HIT training, weight training with compound lifts, reverse pyramid, and hill sprints. I've gone from 193 to 170lbs at 5'11." No supplements just real whole foods and filtered water.0
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I have stuck to eating a vegan whole foods which are organic at 50/50 raw to cooked with maintaining a macro nutrient ratio of 60-30-10 carb-fat-protein. I have went from 34% body fat to 25% body fat and 32% muscle mass to 36% muscle mass and increased my bone density in just 2 months. My staple foods include avocados, potatoes, sweet potatoes, lentils, white rice, bananas, olives, and macadamia nuts. I also combine this with intermittent fasting, HIT training, weight training with compound lifts, reverse pyramid, and hill sprints. I've gone from 193 to 170lbs at 5'11." No supplements just real whole foods and filtered water.
How was your body fat, muscle mass and bone density measured?0 -
I have stuck to eating a vegan whole foods which are organic at 50/50 raw to cooked with maintaining a macro nutrient ratio of 60-30-10 carb-fat-protein. I have went from 34% body fat to 25% body fat and 32% muscle mass to 36% muscle mass and increased my bone density in just 2 months. My staple foods include avocados, potatoes, sweet potatoes, lentils, white rice, bananas, olives, and macadamia nuts. I also combine this with intermittent fasting, HIT training, weight training with compound lifts, reverse pyramid, and hill sprints. I've gone from 193 to 170lbs at 5'11." No supplements just real whole foods and filtered water.
How was your body fat, muscle mass and bone density measured?
Given he mentioned bone density, I'd bet DEXA scan. They're good results. I lost a half pound of bone going from 202 to 181.0 -
I have stuck to eating a vegan whole foods which are organic at 50/50 raw to cooked with maintaining a macro nutrient ratio of 60-30-10 carb-fat-protein. I have went from 34% body fat to 25% body fat and 32% muscle mass to 36% muscle mass and increased my bone density in just 2 months. My staple foods include avocados, potatoes, sweet potatoes, lentils, white rice, bananas, olives, and macadamia nuts. I also combine this with intermittent fasting, HIT training, weight training with compound lifts, reverse pyramid, and hill sprints. I've gone from 193 to 170lbs at 5'11." No supplements just real whole foods and filtered water.
How was your body fat, muscle mass and bone density measured?
With a bioelectrical impedance scale. I will be having a DEXA scan this April for an even more accurate measurement of these categories.0 -
I have stuck to eating a vegan whole foods which are organic at 50/50 raw to cooked with maintaining a macro nutrient ratio of 60-30-10 carb-fat-protein. I have went from 34% body fat to 25% body fat and 32% muscle mass to 36% muscle mass and increased my bone density in just 2 months. My staple foods include avocados, potatoes, sweet potatoes, lentils, white rice, bananas, olives, and macadamia nuts. I also combine this with intermittent fasting, HIT training, weight training with compound lifts, reverse pyramid, and hill sprints. I've gone from 193 to 170lbs at 5'11." No supplements just real whole foods and filtered water.
How was your body fat, muscle mass and bone density measured?
Given he mentioned bone density, I'd bet DEXA scan. They're good results. I lost a half pound of bone going from 202 to 181.
Do you have osteoperosis? How did you lose that much bone mass?0 -
I have stuck to eating a vegan whole foods which are organic at 50/50 raw to cooked with maintaining a macro nutrient ratio of 60-30-10 carb-fat-protein. I have went from 34% body fat to 25% body fat and 32% muscle mass to 36% muscle mass and increased my bone density in just 2 months. My staple foods include avocados, potatoes, sweet potatoes, lentils, white rice, bananas, olives, and macadamia nuts. I also combine this with intermittent fasting, HIT training, weight training with compound lifts, reverse pyramid, and hill sprints. I've gone from 193 to 170lbs at 5'11." No supplements just real whole foods and filtered water.
How was your body fat, muscle mass and bone density measured?
Given he mentioned bone density, I'd bet DEXA scan. They're good results. I lost a half pound of bone going from 202 to 181.
My bf scale shows bone density (not that I believe it as the bf% is way off)0 -
I believe there is such a thing, if I remember correctly. I'm not sure if the vegan lifestyle would help or hurt weight loss/ muscles in any way, but I do know that one would have to search extra-hard for palatable protein sources other than meat.
I hope you're joking about palatable sources of protein. Palatable is all personal though what you grew up eating is normally what you will like. If you grew up on a farm and ate a ton of meat then you will believe it is great. But IMO people can look at eating meat in this way
Meat: eww dead rotting carcus flesh and blood of animals
Fish: Gross scaly smelly slimy fish
Eggs: Gross aborted period of a dirty bird that comes out of it's *kitten*
Milk: Puss that comes out of the tits of another animal force fed GMO grains
insects: no reason to explain why that's nasty.
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I believe there is such a thing, if I remember correctly. I'm not sure if the vegan lifestyle would help or hurt weight loss/ muscles in any way, but I do know that one would have to search extra-hard for palatable protein sources other than meat.
I hope you're joking about palatable sources of protein. Palatable is all personal though what you grew up eating is normally what you will like. If you grew up on a farm and ate a ton of meat then you will believe it is great. But IMO people can look at eating meat in this way
Meat: eww dead rotting carcus flesh and blood of animals
Fish: Gross scaly smelly slimy fish
Eggs: Gross aborted period of a dirty bird that comes out of it's *kitten*
Milk: Puss that comes out of the tits of another animal force fed GMO grains
insects: no reason to explain why that's nasty.
For the first five years of my life i was a vegan, and then i have incorporated dairy and eggs into my diet. I am a lifelong vegetarian and so this is exactly how i see meat.
It is not even remotely appetizing, stinks, and is disgusting. I also see no difference in eating a cow and someone eating my pet cat.
So i would agree with this.0
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