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Breakfast yes or no?
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DancingDarl wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »If you ain't hungry don't eat brekky, it will help boost your metabolism for a small period then after that it will slow it so hence the controversy on here.
Here's the claim, made in this thread.
Since silliness about metabolism is often part of arguments that people must eat breakfast, it's on topic in this thread and a reasonable thing to debate.
I think I made it pretty clear just how controversial it is. If you look into how the body is affected in first lets say day of fasting(look up the IF thread) then you will see the correlation between metabolism increase very surprising and slight. After 3 days IF or just plain fasting your metabolism will slow. So essentially it can be if monitored carefully not as scary or woo as some people would have you believe. Like I said statistics show the pendulum swings both says. One one hand you can say it slows your metabolism down and on the other hand you could say it can boost it. Both are right, the trick is in the timing and also who you discuss it with. Of course IF does not negate the action of calories in -calories out rule, that is still the pinnacle.
Lol. Schrödinger's breakfast
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I often skip meals and never have any problem making up the calories that I missed, am I anomaly?
I eat when I'm hungry. If I miss dinner, like yesterday, I don't have time to make those calories up, but skipping lunch or breakfast, I just eat more at my other meals.
This is especially true in the past when I've done intermittent fasting, when I don't eat after 6pm and then don't eat until 12pm the next day. I'll restrict my eating to just those 6hrs and have no problem getting in my calories, it's a matter of eating nutrient dense foods at the meals that you do consume.
So, to answer the original question, I don't think that for me personally that skipping breakfast is a detriment, but will say that every one is different, so as long as it works for you and you continue to lose weight/gain weight/maintain weight/what-ever your goal is, then it is fine.0 -
Yeah, one of the underlying medical issues is diabetes in it's various iterations, including insulin resistance, gestational, and type 2. In all my diabetic classes the importance of eating breakfast on waking, at the same time every day, was emphasized. I think part of the reason for this insistence is if we are to routinely test our "fasting" blood sugar (first thing in the morning) and then two hours after every meal, and that's a lot easier if we eat on a routine.
I do know the days I had to fast through breakfast (early morning fasting blood sugar test, A1C) I was one shaky, grumpy lady. Ironic that a test to confirm the disease is guaranteed to make you miserable....if you have it.0 -
I eat breakfast most days. I take medications in the morning that I cannot take on an empty stomach. Also? I like eggs and feel that if I start my morning off with breakfast and logging - I have begun my day "in control". That being said, if I know that we're going out to eat that night - I will choose a much smaller "snack" to have with my medicine so that I can reserve as many calories as possible for later in the day. I've also found that if I really listen to my body - after eating out at night, I find that the next morning - I'm really still not ready for a regular breakfast. I imagine it's how our bodies were intended to work (eat when you're hungry or have access to food - but don't overeat) - before we became so regimented about eating at mealtimes!0
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I usually eat something around 9am or so, but just a protein shake. Once I start eating, I get hungry every few hours (and with reactive hypoglycemia, I get shaky when I wait too long between meals), so I try to delay eating for a while.
And I'm up and at the gym by 5am, so 9am is actually pretty far into my day.0 -
I despise the catchphrase to "eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dinner like a pauper." Based on what? On someone feeling very clever who thought it up, that's what. Nothing more. Harrummph!0
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If I work out in the morning (which I do at 6am before I have eaten breakfast), then I eat breakfast when I get to work at 9am. If I do not work out in the morning and wake up hungry (which is rare), then I eat breakfast. If I do not work out in the morning and do not wake up hungry, then I wait until I feel hungry to eat, which is usually around lunch time.
Most people will tell you to eat breakfast because if you are hungry and you do not, then you might eat more than you normally would at lunch time. Or you'll snack on unhealthy items. Incidentally, as a teenager I never ate breakfast, mostly because I wasn't hungry. Did I eat more at lunch? Nope. Was I overweight? Yup. But that's because I was an unhappy kid and used to come home from school and eat my feelings in the form of chocolate chip cookies. Of course, correlation does not equal causation and I was not overweight because I skipped breakfast.
My point: If you are hungry, eat breakfast. If you are not hungry, don't eat breakfast. Eat when you are hungry.0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »Just plain fasting can be seen as scary yes.
I've yet to meet anyone who thinks a one day fast (let alone skipping breakfast -- the topic of this thread) is scary. It's not good for some people or may make them feel bad, so they shouldn't do it.Intermittent fasting does not equal fasting for 3 days.
Isn't that what I said?A day or thereabouts of (IF or just straight Fasting)will see the opposite so hence it is seen as controversial.
I'd like some support for this claim.0 -
vivmom2014 wrote: »I despise the catchphrase to "eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dinner like a pauper." Based on what? On someone feeling very clever who thought it up, that's what. Nothing more. Harrummph!
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vivmom2014 wrote: »I despise the catchphrase to "eat breakfast like a king, lunch like a prince and dinner like a pauper." Based on what? On someone feeling very clever who thought it up, that's what. Nothing more. Harrummph!
How about "feed a cold, starve a fever", or "cross your eyes and they will get stuck that way"? My mother had dozens of these catchphrases which she picked up I am sure, from her cranky Scottish grandmother.1 -
Some chinese phrases,
"Eat more vegetables, less meat." 多吃蔬菜，少吃肉.(Duō chī shūcài, shǎo chī ròu.)
Qi fen bao (七分飽), is an age-old, oft-repeated Chinese dietary adage: eat only until you are 'seven parts full' (70 percent full).
http://www.eatingchina.com/articles/quotes.htm1 -
What ever happened to eat when you feel hungry? I mean truly hungry for those who have learned to listen to their bodies. For me personally, I love breakfast and I eat it every day within a few hours of when I get up. I am ravenously hungry in the morning! I have also skipped breakfast and it didn't make any difference in my weight loss. I do find that if I skip breakfast I am more inclined to gravitate toward more carby things for lunch and for the rest of the day. My daily breakfast consists of egg whites, meat and tons of veggies! Once in a while I go with a yogurt with some fruit and nuts and a couple of hard boiled eggs, maybe some turkey bacon. I also find that when I have a good breakfast the rest of my snacks and meals are smaller throughout the day and I get full faster. My workouts are usually at different times of the morning, afternoon and/or evening so when I have a morning workout I usually do a fasted workout then eat breakfast right after. I think it just comes down to personal preference, level of hunger and activities for the day. Eat to perform.0
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Some chinese phrases,
"Eat more vegetables, less meat." 多吃蔬菜，少吃肉.(Duō chī shūcài, shǎo chī ròu.)
Qi fen bao (七分飽), is an age-old, oft-repeated Chinese dietary adage: eat only until you are 'seven parts full' (70 percent full).
http://www.eatingchina.com/articles/quotes.htm
This is from the Okinowa diet. Eat mostly vegetables, nuts, seeds, legumes, beans, grains, limited fruit and sweets only once in a while, like a special occasion. They recommend protein from beans, legumes and fish and not so much animal protein. They are also very active e.g., working outside daily, moving around quite a bit, etc. And eat until you feel 80% full. By the time your brain registers the fact that you've eaten you should be 100% full. All of these practices work, I've been doing it for a while. But you have to remember that it comes down to different cultures as well. I move around a lot during the day and I get a lot of exercise because I can, but a lot of people have desk jobs where they get hardly any movement at all. I run a lot and always need to replenish my sugars/carbs after a long hard run. I lift heavy weights and need good old fashioned animal protein after. I also avoid most grains, I'll have them maybe once or twice a week because overall my body just feels better when I don't consume a lot of grains... but that's just me.
On another note, my sister never eats breakfast, she basically lives on carbs and sweets, she also eats/snacks on very small healthy foods through the day. A handful of fruit here, a handful of nuts there, a hard boiled egg, some jerky, some crackers, etc. She is in her 50's and has always been thin and in shape and very healthy! Oddly enough, she recently developed liver disease despite being healthy and getting regular exercise daily. They can't explain why but we almost lost her over it. She is around 100 LBs and can't eat salt at all, can't drink, can't take any drugs. They told her she needed to be on a high protein and high carb diet, but she has to also watch her sugar.
Everyone is different.
Life is crazy
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I do know the days I had to fast through breakfast (early morning fasting blood sugar test, A1C) I was one shaky, grumpy lady. Ironic that a test to confirm the disease is guaranteed to make you miserable....if you have it.
I had to have a follow-up HbA1c test this week, and was delighted to be told that they don't do them under fasting conditions anymore.0 -
Some chinese phrases,
"Eat more vegetables, less meat." 多吃蔬菜，少吃肉.(Duō chī shūcài, shǎo chī ròu.)
Qi fen bao (七分飽), is an age-old, oft-repeated Chinese dietary adage: eat only until you are 'seven parts full' (70 percent full).
http://www.eatingchina.com/articles/quotes.htm
Nice! And impressive w/ the Chinese font as well.
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DancingDarl wrote: »There is two different threads regarding IT and metabolism.
I'm not much of a social propriety type of person, so I'll openly state, it looks obvious that you're spending about 5x the effort answering the question would on making the conversation being about where and how the question is asked.
You'd save face answering, even if the answer is you misstated or were wrong on reflection.
Maybe the "Bang, Date, Marry, Pass?" threads over in Chit Chat would be a better intellectual match for some posters? Just sayin'.0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »If you ain't hungry don't eat brekky, it will help boost your metabolism for a small period then after that it will slow it so hence the controversy on here.
Here's the claim, made in this thread.
Since silliness about metabolism is often part of arguments that people must eat breakfast, it's on topic in this thread and a reasonable thing to debate.
I think I made it pretty clear just how controversial it is.
I thought you were claiming that saying "eat breakfast if you want, it doesn't matter" was controversial. When, if you'd read the thread, you would have seen it was not.If you look into how the body is affected in first lets say day of fasting(look up the IF thread) then you will see the correlation between metabolism increase very surprising and slight.
What are you talking about? Are you claiming that ONE day of fasting changes (increases) metabolism? Why don't you try to write more clearly?After 3 days IF or just plain fasting your metabolism will slow. So essentially it can be if monitored carefully not as scary or woo as some people would have you believe.
One does not fast for 3 days with IF, so again, I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I don't think any of this is scary. I just think it's false to assert that eating or not eating breakfast affects your metabolism.
(This thread is not actually about IF. Lots of people don't eat breakfast without doing IF.)
Just plain fasting can be seen as scary yes. Intermittent fasting does not equal fasting for 3 days. If you fasted for 3 days sure your metabolism would slow, which is where people get scared off of the idea of fasting. A day or thereabouts of (IF or just straight Fasting)will see the opposite so hence it is seen as controversial.
I do not condone fasting unless you are being monitored and there are no underlying medical issues.
Wrong. If you eat absolutely nothing for 3 days, your metabolism should be running about 20% FASTER than normal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24057170 -
DancingDarl wrote: »There is two different threads regarding IT and metabolism.
I'm not much of a social propriety type of person, so I'll openly state, it looks obvious that you're spending about 5x the effort answering the question would on making the conversation being about where and how the question is asked.
You'd save face answering, even if the answer is you misstated or were wrong on reflection.
Maybe the "Bang, Date, Marry, Pass?" threads over in Chit Chat would be a better intellectual match for some posters? Just sayin'.
Lol. So much lol0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »If you ain't hungry don't eat brekky, it will help boost your metabolism for a small period then after that it will slow it so hence the controversy on here.
Here's the claim, made in this thread.
Since silliness about metabolism is often part of arguments that people must eat breakfast, it's on topic in this thread and a reasonable thing to debate.
I think I made it pretty clear just how controversial it is.
I thought you were claiming that saying "eat breakfast if you want, it doesn't matter" was controversial. When, if you'd read the thread, you would have seen it was not.If you look into how the body is affected in first lets say day of fasting(look up the IF thread) then you will see the correlation between metabolism increase very surprising and slight.
What are you talking about? Are you claiming that ONE day of fasting changes (increases) metabolism? Why don't you try to write more clearly?After 3 days IF or just plain fasting your metabolism will slow. So essentially it can be if monitored carefully not as scary or woo as some people would have you believe.
One does not fast for 3 days with IF, so again, I have no idea what you are trying to say.
I don't think any of this is scary. I just think it's false to assert that eating or not eating breakfast affects your metabolism.
(This thread is not actually about IF. Lots of people don't eat breakfast without doing IF.)
Just plain fasting can be seen as scary yes. Intermittent fasting does not equal fasting for 3 days. If you fasted for 3 days sure your metabolism would slow, which is where people get scared off of the idea of fasting. A day or thereabouts of (IF or just straight Fasting)will see the opposite so hence it is seen as controversial.
I do not condone fasting unless you are being monitored and there are no underlying medical issues.
Wrong. If you eat absolutely nothing for 3 days, your metabolism should be running about 20% FASTER than normal.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10837292
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/
What day does it slow ? Just so I can correct my memory because I am not disagreeing with I agree it stays high the metabolism surge..but the clincher is when does it stop?
*shrug* .. no clue. I was just refuting your assertion with seeming certainty that if you fasted for 3 days your metabolism would slow.0 -
I grew up in a family that never ate breakfast except on the weekends. The weekends were filled with a feast of eggs, bacon, sausage, toast, maybe a piece of fruit, pancakes, even fried dough (yes - for breakfast with a sunny-side up egg on top).
Then when I went to college, I started eating breakfast. I had long days of labs, discussions, classes, and band practice, so breakfast was the only meal I could get on some days before a late dinner. I usually had cottage cheese and fruit with a muffin.
Now I eat breakfast on a regular basis - I switch it up between overnight oats, and eggs/avocado toast. It keeps me full well into the afternoon and I don't feel the urge to snack on doughnuts, bakery pastries, etc that people bring into the office.
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An interesting story about metabolism. I was very sick with anorexia (500 calories a day +exercise) when I was 27. I was admitted to the hospital for refeeding. They start you at 1500 calories and add 300 a week until a minimum of 2400 calories a day with the goal of gaining 1-2 kg a week until we reach at least bmi 20. I never gained my kilo so I got to the max of 3600 calories a day ( food plus ensure). We were not allowed exercise and were closely watched while eating and bathroom was monitored so basically we were sedentary. I was on that for several weeks and the most I ever gained was 0.6 kg in a week so 1.32 lbs. My BMR must have been through the roof! It definitely didn't slow down my metabolism0
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FunkyTobias wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »If you ain't hungry don't eat brekky, it will help boost your metabolism for a small period then after that it will slow it so hence the controversy on here.
Here's the claim, made in this thread.
Since silliness about metabolism is often part of arguments that people must eat breakfast, it's on topic in this thread and a reasonable thing to debate.
I think I made it pretty clear just how controversial it is. If you look into how the body is affected in first lets say day of fasting(look up the IF thread) then you will see the correlation between metabolism increase very surprising and slight. After 3 days IF or just plain fasting your metabolism will slow. So essentially it can be if monitored carefully not as scary or woo as some people would have you believe. Like I said statistics show the pendulum swings both says. One one hand you can say it slows your metabolism down and on the other hand you could say it can boost it. Both are right, the trick is in the timing and also who you discuss it with. Of course IF does not negate the action of calories in -calories out rule, that is still the pinnacle.
Lol. Schrödinger's breakfast
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A couple of years ago I started to delay my breakfast to a few hours after waking, based on something I read about morning cortisol release. It has made a world of difference for me. I used to be desperately hungry all morning, no matter how much whole food protein and fibre I ate. It made it very difficult for me to achieve weight loss-level calorie levels without being desperately hungry later in the day. Now my hunger levels don't change as dramatically throughout the day, and I am losing weight consistently. I don't think it's the right answer for everyone, but it has really helped me to redistribute my meal timing in this way.0
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quiksylver296 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »I don't eat breakfast and find that if I do I get hungrier for lunch earlier and eat more than if I don't eat breakfast
Same.
This was why I switched away from breakfast as I started trying to reduce calories. I would rather eat a late lunch around 1:30 or 2, and be able to make it to my 7pm dinner without a snack or starving. Eating breakfast I am hangry and grumpy by 11 am, then I end up needing a snack. I ate more overall when I ate breakfast. Without it, I don't need any snacks.0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »I am loving this thread now. I still do not want people to feel the need that if they are not hungry that it wouldn't be ok to skip a meal. Breakfast or any meal skipping once is one, skipping all the time is borderline Anorexic. Unless you are fasting purpose but even that I personally would only go 24-30 hours.
I skip breakfast all the time and I'm not anorexic.0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »That is an entirely different topic. I suggest you post about it in a different thread. There already is one going regarding it.
You claimed breakfast or brekky would boost ones metabolism. You have not answered the question as to why or how that would happen. Instead you went off onto totally different tangents . so if you make a claim like brekky boosts metabolism, it shouldn't be a problem to prove your claim . here we try really hard to counter any misinformation that is being spread.
So far you've made several claims about metabolism, acv and parasites and so on now we are asking that you prove your claims. How would you expect anyone to take your information seriously if you can't back it up ?
Here's the thing - there's a lot of lurkers and newcomers here. Some are too afraid to post so search these threads for information. If we allowed people to just make wild claims for fun because they are bored and feeling chatty or feel like playing games, then these newcomers could read these comments and believe them. The last thing anyone here wants is for people to believe any misinformation. People here want to help spread the truth, not baseless myths .0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »Fasting increases your metabolism. I meant not eating breakfast lol misinterpretation...
Wait, I thought initially you said EATING breakfast boosts metabolism. Then you said fasting SLOWS metabolism. Now you say initially you mean not eating brekky, or fasting, boosts metabolism? I am so confused.0 -
meganridenour wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »Fasting increases your metabolism. I meant not eating breakfast lol misinterpretation...
Wait, I thought initially you said EATING breakfast boosts metabolism. Then you said fasting SLOWS metabolism. Now you say initially you mean not eating brekky, or fasting, boosts metabolism? I am so confused.
Yeah, I don't know what to make of this poster...0 -
meganridenour wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »Fasting increases your metabolism. I meant not eating breakfast lol misinterpretation...
Wait, I thought initially you said EATING breakfast boosts metabolism. Then you said fasting SLOWS metabolism. Now you say initially you mean not eating brekky, or fasting, boosts metabolism? I am so confused.
There's a lot of confusion but you are certainly not the confused one. Your post sums it all up nicely0
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