Diet Coke vs Water??-- 0 cals vs 0 cals
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Leave to the grocery store and the thread has went full quackadoodle...0
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In recent research, they said if you drink diet cola, you will actually eat MORE food than if you had water. It creates more hunger.
I am always intrigued when this claim is trotted out. I've been drinking diet coke for 25+ years. I drank it when I was a pre-pubescent sub 100 lb high school freshman, when I was putting on weight during and after college, drank it while I lost weight, and drink it now that I'm maintaining. One thing I have never observed in my n=1 study is that I am suddenly tempted to eat two Big Macs instead of one, or that I have insatiable hunger for any other food item.
Where does this claim come from exactly?0 -
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Diet soda has Aspartame in it which is unhealthy. If you drink a diet drink it should be sweetened with stevia like crystal light pure!!!0
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There are A Lot of Great alternatives such as the flavored waters!!!0
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Diet soda has Aspartame in it which is unhealthy. If you drink a diet drink it should be sweetened with stevia like crystal light pure!!!There are A Lot of Great alternatives such as the flavored waters!!!
Most of the flavored waters that I've seen contain aspartame.
Which is actually a moot point because aspartame is essentially harmless.0 -
It kills me when people trot out the "aspartame is the devil, use stevia " line.
The number of studies on the safety of aspartame are orders of magnitude higher than that of stevia.0 -
You would have to pry my diet coke from my cold dead hands before I ever give it up...... If aspartame is going to kill me, it's had thirty years to do its best.0
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FunkyTobias wrote: »It kills me when people trot out the "aspartame is the devil, use stevia " line.
The number of studies on the safety of aspartame are orders of magnitude higher than that of stevia.
And dare I say that none of them show negative impacts?0 -
Then why did they Just take Aspartame out of Pepsi0
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FunkyTobias wrote: »It kills me when people trot out the "aspartame is the devil, use stevia " line.
The number of studies on the safety of aspartame are orders of magnitude higher than that of stevia.
But stevia is ~~natural~~, which means it is good for you by definition. You know, like fly amanita, belladonna and hemlock.0 -
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Calories may be the same. BUT that diet soda WILL trick your brain into making insulin (due to sweetness) and, of course, contribute to weight gain. That's only the tip of the iceberg of issues I have with diet sodas
Check out that documentary "Fed Up". As cheesy as this sounds, it changed my life!0 -
Then why did they Just take Aspartame out of Pepsi
Consumer pressure from people who've heard from someone who told them that aspartame was bad. The same reason Panera now markets their restaurant as "clean eating" and Lays makes baked chips. They can make more money by branding their competitors as bad.0 -
amandajpiper wrote: »Calories may be the same. BUT that diet soda WILL trick your brain into making insulin (due to sweetness) and, of course, contribute to weight gain. That's only the tip of the iceberg of issues I have with diet sodas
Check out that documentary "Fed Up". As cheesy as this sounds, it changed my life!
No and no.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »It kills me when people trot out the "aspartame is the devil, use stevia " line.
The number of studies on the safety of aspartame are orders of magnitude higher than that of stevia.
But stevia is ~~natural~~, which means it is good for you by definition. You know, like fly amanita, belladonna and hemlock.
Mmmm, hemlock. It kills you naturally, which means it's okay!0 -
I have found that after a long time without it ... it gives me gas. I know gross. I will only drink it if it is a mixer.0
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amandajpiper wrote: »Calories may be the same. BUT that diet soda WILL trick your brain into making insulin (due to sweetness) and, of course, contribute to weight gain. That's only the tip of the iceberg of issues I have with diet sodas
Check out that documentary "Fed Up". As cheesy as this sounds, it changed my life!
That's a mockumentary that has been debunked by the science community. It preys on people who don't follow up with research on their so called "facts".
And your first paragraph is just flat out wrong.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Water, carbonation, caramel coloring, sweeteners(sodium cyclamate, Ace K, aspartame), phosphoric acid, caffeine, natural flavors.
Anyone who can point out what of those things is somehow bad for you and how with proper sources for any claims may speak now or forever hold their silence.
http://www.jhsph.edu/research/centers-and-institutes/johns-hopkins-center-for-a-livable-future/news-room/News-Releases/2015/Caramel-Color-in-Soft-Drinks-and-Exposure-to-4-Methylimidazole.html
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0118138
I posted this earlier. In the interests of fairness I will state that according to this study, the "caramel colouring" might be an issue. However, it's in regular soda too, and reading the abstract shows that different sodas contain wildly differing quantities of the problematic substance (4-Methylimidazole). Plus, of course, it's only the one study as far as I'm aware and there's no federal limit on it in the US either. For the record, I very much enjoy a Coke Zero once in a while and I don't plan to change my habits based on this.
I drink tap water, live in a city of a million people with plenty of pollution, use hormonal birth control, sometimes spend a few minutes hanging out outside with smokers, fly in commercial aircraft, and occasionally indulge in processed meat products. A few diet colas, 4-MEI or no, are unlikely to be riskier from a cancer perspective than my lifestyle already is so at some point you just have to shrug and focus your energy on the big stuff in my opinion. I'm not interested in living in a bubble, so I mitigate my risks where I can (keep my weight normal, exercise, wear sunblock, don't smoke, don't drink to excess, etc etc.) and understand that there is a slim chance the radiation from taking a couple vacations a year or the carcinogens in bacon are going to make me sick.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States
You might be needing this, @hhtafran0 -
candacet36 wrote: »I have found that after a long time without it ... it gives me gas. I know gross. I will only drink it if it is a mixer.
See and I see that as a reason to never stop drinking it...0 -
amandajpiper wrote: »Calories may be the same. BUT that diet soda WILL trick your brain into making insulin (due to sweetness) and, of course, contribute to weight gain. That's only the tip of the iceberg of issues I have with diet sodas
Check out that documentary "Fed Up". As cheesy as this sounds, it changed my life!
https://examine.com/faq/do-artificial-sweeteners-spike-insulin/0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Comparing calories to calories = 0 it's all the same. Just don't do too much googling on the artificial sweetener in the Diet Coke. That will scare you.
There's a lot of fearmongering on the Googles.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p1
I guess we have to put this on every page.0 -
<sigh>
This thread is like some evil version of "Groundhog Day".
It depresses me that so many people would rather let random fake experts on the interwebs scare them on a daily basis than take some time to understand how the scientific process works.0 -
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »For calorie counting purposes I count them both as 0, but I don't count soda towards my water intake. I feel pretty confident saying that the two clearly do not have the same effect on your body, but everything in moderation and all that. I drink diet soda a couple of times a week. In a perfect world I'd drink it less but my diet is far from perfect.
What "different effects" do you imagine they have (apart from caffeine)
I get bad heart burn when I drink too much soda. I used to sometimes get it from other things but diet soda was by far the biggest individual culprit. It also makes me sluggish and I always want to kick myself when I drink too much of it when I'm going to the gym later.
I'm sure all artificial sweeteners have some problematic effects and I know it wouldn't kill me to stop putting Splenda in my coffee. But I think with soda it's more about the acid or carbonation because I don't have the same problem with Splenda or sweeteners in other situations that I've had with diet soda.
That said... I still drink it sometimes. I'm not disciplined or motivated enough to really be good at the whole clean eating thing.
If something gives you heartburn, then it's probably best for you if you avoid it. That doesn't mean that it's bad for someone else.
Absolutely, I'm just stating the obvious that diet soda is not the same as water which is really kind of how this thread started.
I love all of the scientists on both sides of the argument in this thread. Some real brilliant minds up in this place.
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