Cow milk - is it safe for humans to drink? Why the hype?
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MadeOfMagic wrote: »Milk increases the depletion of calcium from your bones more than it provides (because our bodies can't absorb it well) as well as increases your chances of fracture risk. Calcium enriched milks like almond, coconut, etc. have enriched calcium that body can't easily absorb either (unless it's calcium citrate). Not to mention if you drink non organic milk those cows are pumped with antibiotics and hormones that are just not healthy for you...that's enough of a reason for me not to drink milk.
Your assertion is false.
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When I became 20 years old I came to the conclusion that to consume the fatty white substance which is pumped out of a bovine's udder is disgusting & it's not ideal for humans nor animals. These days I use the oat liquid or oat drink (can people please stop referring to these types as independant "milks"..) . The chocolate type tastes very good & the regular one gives me the exact same function which cow's milk would've had in for example cerial.
When you became 20 years old you came to a false conclusion based on your feelz.0 -
When I became 20 years old I came to the conclusion that to consume the fatty white substance which is pumped out of a bovine's udder is disgusting & it's not ideal for humans nor animals. These days I use the oat liquid or oat drink (can people please stop referring to these types as independant "milks"..) . The chocolate type tastes very good & the regular one gives me the exact same function which cow's milk would've had in for example cerial.
Except things like protein and calcium. Both of which are high in milk and basically non-existent in "oat drink".0 -
JHALLISGETTINGsmall wrote: »I heard somewhere that humans are the only mammals that drink milk after infancy/childhood. Don't know if that's true though
That's because we're the only mammal that can readily procure it. My cat, rat, and dog will all eagerly slurp milk if given the chance.0 -
JHALLISGETTINGsmall wrote: »I heard somewhere that humans are the only mammals that drink milk after infancy/childhood. Don't know if that's true though
I suspect my dog may be getting up in the middle of the night and pouring himself a tall glass of milk....but I can't be sure.0 -
Lower carbs and calories in my almond milk than regular milk.0
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Your dog would never do that.stephanieluvspb wrote: »JHALLISGETTINGsmall wrote: »I heard somewhere that humans are the only mammals that drink milk after infancy/childhood. Don't know if that's true though
I suspect my dog may be getting up in the middle of the night and pouring himself a tall glass of milk....but I can't be sure.
He'll drink out of the carton like everyone else.0 -
When I became 20 years old I came to the conclusion that to consume the fatty white substance which is pumped out of a bovine's udder is disgusting & it's not ideal for humans nor animals. These days I use the oat liquid or oat drink (can people please stop referring to these types as independant "milks"..) . The chocolate type tastes very good & the regular one gives me the exact same function which cow's milk would've had in for example cerial.
Except things like protein and calcium. Both of which are high in milk and basically non-existent in "oat drink".
I believe calcium is added to most of these milk substitutes, together with vitamin d, etc, which is a good argument for including it in ones diet.0 -
I typically don't care for the aftertaste of cow milk, so if I'm having cereal I'll use almond milk (plus fewer calories!)
I also can have bathroom troubles if I have any decent amount of milk at once...0 -
Cows milk is made for baby cows not humans! Not your mom, not your milk0
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ariellenkov wrote: »Cows milk is made for baby cows not humans! Not your mom, not your milk
But it would have been too weird to milk my mom when I was over 18 years old, so I was forced to improvise.0 -
Cows are kinda big and so if you drink cow's milk you'll get kinda big. And beefy. Beefy is good. But I don't want to get slaughtered either. Almond milk would be fine. If you're nuts. I guess if you're sane and want to get huge and beefy you drink cow's milk. Moo.0
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"Safe" like, fewer people have died playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic, or "safe" like, you probably won't get cancer if you don't drink 4759754875438 gallons a day for 60 years?
The fact is, people have been drinking it for a long, long time, and, especially since we started pasteurizing it, and people aren't dropping dead right and left or anything, so it's probably a good bed that it's safe.0 -
Of course it's safe.
Some people are lactose intolerant (particularly those whose ancestors aren't Europeans) and some are vegans or simply want something other than milk.
But safe? Yes, it's fully safe. If you like it and it likes you, it's a wonderful source of protein in your diet.0 -
stephanieluvspb wrote: »JHALLISGETTINGsmall wrote: »I heard somewhere that humans are the only mammals that drink milk after infancy/childhood. Don't know if that's true though
I suspect my dog may be getting up in the middle of the night and pouring himself a tall glass of milk....but I can't be sure.
I mean, my cat was pretty happy to get milk, all the way up until she dropped dead of old age...come to think of it, my dog was happy to get it, too, when he could fight off the cat.0 -
jennifer_417 wrote: »"Safe" like, fewer people have died playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic, or "safe" like, you probably won't get cancer if you don't drink 4759754875438 gallons a day for 60 years?
The fact is, people have been drinking it for a long, long time, and, especially since we started pasteurizing it, and people aren't dropping dead right and left or anything, so it's probably a good bed that it's safe.
Stealing this0 -
Alluminati wrote: »I've heard people talk about this as well. The general consensus is that children (especially female children) should not be ingesting hormone filled milk because the hormones make them develop, mature, and get bigger chests too quick. LOL.
I suggested that perhaps maybe it wasn't the hormone-ey milk, that it was just an abundance of food in general? But I was poo poo-ed.
hormone milk = big jugs.
Hormones in milk don't affect humans. The first reason and the one that makes it a total deal-breaker is that bovine growth hormone is a large protein. Your stomach will shred it into its component amino acids before absorption, like with basically all proteins, since they are simply too big to pass across the intestinal wall. It's not like phytoestrogens from plants, which are relatively small molecules that actually could be absorbed by the gut - big proteins just don't get from the intestines into the bloodstream barring life-threatening illness or injury. And if it did, there's no evidence that bovine growth hormone has any effect on humans.
If drinking milk could give us growth hormones, that would actually be great for bodybuilders, dieters, and athletes, since (human) growth hormone tends to promote muscle growth and fat loss, and like HGH, it would probably be regulated if it actually affected us.0 -
markrgeary1 wrote: »Other than when their nursing cows don't drink cows milk! Why should I? I'll have what that skinny cow over there's having.
If you're going to follow the cow's example, you better get to grazing. Let us know how that works out for you.
(Of course, this is the Internet, so if you are a ruminant, no one would know.)0 -
rankinsect wrote: »Alluminati wrote: »I've heard people talk about this as well. The general consensus is that children (especially female children) should not be ingesting hormone filled milk because the hormones make them develop, mature, and get bigger chests too quick. LOL.
I suggested that perhaps maybe it wasn't the hormone-ey milk, that it was just an abundance of food in general? But I was poo poo-ed.
hormone milk = big jugs.
Hormones in milk don't affect humans. The first reason and the one that makes it a total deal-breaker is that bovine growth hormone is a large protein. Your stomach will shred it into its component amino acids before absorption, like with basically all proteins, since they are simply too big to pass across the intestinal wall. It's not like phytoestrogens from plants, which are relatively small molecules that actually could be absorbed by the gut - big proteins just don't get from the intestines into the bloodstream barring life-threatening illness or injury. And if it did, there's no evidence that bovine growth hormone has any effect on humans.
If drinking milk could give us growth hormones, that would actually be great for bodybuilders, dieters, and athletes, since (human) growth hormone tends to promote muscle growth and fat loss, and like HGH, it would probably be regulated if it actually affected us.
Oh, I was beginning to devise a plan of increased milk consumption to reduce shrinkage as I continue losing weight.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »Alluminati wrote: »I've heard people talk about this as well. The general consensus is that children (especially female children) should not be ingesting hormone filled milk because the hormones make them develop, mature, and get bigger chests too quick. LOL.
I suggested that perhaps maybe it wasn't the hormone-ey milk, that it was just an abundance of food in general? But I was poo poo-ed.
hormone milk = big jugs.
Hormones in milk don't affect humans. The first reason and the one that makes it a total deal-breaker is that bovine growth hormone is a large protein. Your stomach will shred it into its component amino acids before absorption, like with basically all proteins, since they are simply too big to pass across the intestinal wall. It's not like phytoestrogens from plants, which are relatively small molecules that actually could be absorbed by the gut - big proteins just don't get from the intestines into the bloodstream barring life-threatening illness or injury. And if it did, there's no evidence that bovine growth hormone has any effect on humans.
If drinking milk could give us growth hormones, that would actually be great for bodybuilders, dieters, and athletes, since (human) growth hormone tends to promote muscle growth and fat loss, and like HGH, it would probably be regulated if it actually affected us.
Oh, I was beginning to devise a plan of increased milk consumption to reduce shrinkage as I continue losing weight.
If that theory was true, there'd be a lot less plastic surgery and lot more milk drinkin' going on!0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »Alluminati wrote: »I've heard people talk about this as well. The general consensus is that children (especially female children) should not be ingesting hormone filled milk because the hormones make them develop, mature, and get bigger chests too quick. LOL.
I suggested that perhaps maybe it wasn't the hormone-ey milk, that it was just an abundance of food in general? But I was poo poo-ed.
hormone milk = big jugs.
Hormones in milk don't affect humans. The first reason and the one that makes it a total deal-breaker is that bovine growth hormone is a large protein. Your stomach will shred it into its component amino acids before absorption, like with basically all proteins, since they are simply too big to pass across the intestinal wall. It's not like phytoestrogens from plants, which are relatively small molecules that actually could be absorbed by the gut - big proteins just don't get from the intestines into the bloodstream barring life-threatening illness or injury. And if it did, there's no evidence that bovine growth hormone has any effect on humans.
If drinking milk could give us growth hormones, that would actually be great for bodybuilders, dieters, and athletes, since (human) growth hormone tends to promote muscle growth and fat loss, and like HGH, it would probably be regulated if it actually affected us.
Oh, I was beginning to devise a plan of increased milk consumption to reduce shrinkage as I continue losing weight.
If that theory was true, there'd be a lot less plastic surgery and lot more milk drinkin' going on!
It's okay. They get in the way when I play drunken mini golf. I'll just have to get over it.0 -
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Actually I don't mind the taste. I also use coconut milk and cashew milk on occasion and like both of those as well. I get enough protein and calcium from the rest of my diet, so that isn't an issue for me either. I always liked cows milk, but it came down to drinking a glass of milk, or eating something with carbs in it (I found I always wanted bread/cereal/cookies/some other grain and/or high carb food of some sort when I had milk), not both at the same time. I also went through extensive surgery on my guts and chemo/radiation which caused a severe dairy/lactose intolerance for nearly a year....no issue with the nut milks at that time.0 -
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If I'm watching carbs, I'm probably not eating oreos. Although they were my #3 favorite at one time...peanut butter and chocolate chunk being 1 and 2.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »As someone who has recently been diagnosed with a mild cow's milk allergy (it gives me digestive symptoms which are unsociable to live with, shall we say), I would proclaim loudly my love for the stuff. LACTO FREE, SOY AND GOAT MILK ARE NOT THE SAME.
I can still have a little bit, but my days of eating porridge with milk for breakfast, cheese sandwich for lunch, latte mid-afternoon, and ice cream for pudding are gone.
If you can ingest cow's milk, like it, don't have an ethical objection to it, just crack on and have it.
@yesimpson Have you ever tried digestive enzymes, and did they help with that unsociable problem? The reason i ask is, my favourite protein powder gives me the bad gasses, I can't do whey concentrate, and was hoping I could use it again if I also popped some D enzymes..
OP I love, love milk but it doesn't love my skin
I could easily go through over 1Litre a day. If you can tolerate it and you like it then there is no reason to swap to anything else, plus it has much better macro's than Almond milk etc etc.
Just as a side note, the milk I chose came from an organic dairy not far from where I live, so no ethical issues for me.
I've never tried them (to be honest I'm not sure I know what they are); I tried the dairy-free thing for a week to see if it helped, and annoyingly I was less gassy and bloated two days in. My GP then confirmed it. I'm heartbroken because I love milk. I have to go back to the GP in a week so I will ask him about enzymes then.0 -
Source for milk increasing depletion of calcium?MadeOfMagic wrote: »Milk increases the depletion of calcium from your bones more than it provides (because our bodies can't absorb it well) as well as increases your chances of fracture risk. Calcium enriched milks like almond, coconut, etc. have enriched calcium that body can't easily absorb either (unless it's calcium citrate). Not to mention if you drink non organic milk those cows are pumped with antibiotics and hormones that are just not healthy for you...that's enough of a reason for me not to drink milk.
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jennifer_417 wrote: »"Safe" like, fewer people have died playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic,
How would that even work? The first player would always lose.
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jennifer_417 wrote: »stephanieluvspb wrote: »JHALLISGETTINGsmall wrote: »I heard somewhere that humans are the only mammals that drink milk after infancy/childhood. Don't know if that's true though
I suspect my dog may be getting up in the middle of the night and pouring himself a tall glass of milk....but I can't be sure.
I mean, my cat was pretty happy to get milk, all the way up until she dropped dead of old age...come to think of it, my dog was happy to get it, too, when he could fight off the cat.
I have been owned by 5 cats so far in my lifetime and 3 of them were lactose intolerant, one so bad that she would barf after licking my yogurt carton after I finished. Apparently this is very common in cats0
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