Cardio isn't for "fat burning".
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jessicarae0316 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
This seems to me to be willful misunderstanding. Adults should be able to have adult conversations and discuss matters that interest them without worrying that the topic is "dangerous."
Perhaps a more valuable takeaway is that getting sufficient sleep is important.
It's dangerous because in the case of the poster above, they now believe that exercising is not worthwhile.
Are you a mind reader or something? Wow, you're good0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
This seems to me to be willful misunderstanding. Adults should be able to have adult conversations and discuss matters that interest them without worrying that the topic is "dangerous."
Perhaps a more valuable takeaway is that getting sufficient sleep is important.
It's dangerous because in the case of the poster above, they now believe that exercising is not worthwhile.
Are you a mind reader or something? Wow, you're good
cloudi2 wrote: »
Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome. 0 -
jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
You have to be pretty much brain dead if this is what you're taking away from this thread...either that, or willfully misunderstanding...either way, start thinking.0 -
Please don't feed the troll.0
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cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
You have to be pretty much brain dead if this is what you're taking away from this thread...either that, or willfully misunderstanding...either way, start thinking.
That was sarcasm, but thanks for the insult.0 -
Because if you ate to maintenance you would not burn any fat regardless of exercise. It is only when you are in a caloric deficit that you burn stored body fat.I am not following this whole discussion. I currently weigh 200 lbs. Supposedly my daily calorie need to maintain this weight (without exercise) is about 2600 calories. That essentially is just to breath and function. I decide to watch my calories and strive to take in just 2000 calories per day ... a deficit of 600. That by itself should lead to weight loss. BUT I also throw in 60 minutes of daily cardio exercise which burns an additional 500 calories. I do not eat back my exercise calories. This makes my total daily deficit 1100 calories. One could argue that this deficit is too much, BUT how can one say that the added cardio exercise is not going to increase your weight loss?0 -
Cardio is done to improve cardio vascular fitness and burn calories. It will HELP with a calorie deficit and for some that do a lot of cardio, allow one to eat more versus someone at the same weight who does little or no cardio at all.
Like all other physical activity, GLYCOGEN will be the first thing burned before fat is even touched (ratio will vary more to fat if duration extended and/or intensity is lower) so the addage that one needs to do cardio to burn fat is a myth. You burn fat with a calorie deficit. Don't believe it? Do whatever cardio you want, but eat your TDEE. You'll more likely keep the same bodyfat percentage if you keep doing that.
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There AREN'T any "fat burning" exercises. Exercise is for fitness and health. How you lose fat is based more on CICO than how much or how one works out. You can improve muscle and muscle tone, but exercise doesn't directly burn off excess fat tissue the way people think it does. That's why "spot reduction" doesn't exist.AdorkableRegal wrote: »Okay, then if Cardio isn't for fat burning what exercise do you recommend?
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There AREN'T any "fat burning" exercises. Exercise is for fitness and health. How you lose fat is based more on CICO than how much or how one works out. You can improve muscle and muscle tone, but exercise doesn't directly burn off excess fat tissue the way people think it does. That's why "spot reduction" doesn't exist.AdorkableRegal wrote: »Okay, then if Cardio isn't for fat burning what exercise do you recommend?
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Aren't you just contracting your self?
You said "You burn fat with a calorie deficit"
Then you said, " How you lose fat is based more on CICO "
Now doesn't cardio burn Calories?
If yes, doesn't that mean then CI < CO + Cardio and isn't that what you said at the begging?
Look dude. I don't know your point
but I know that there are people out there who spent 2hrs a day doing cardio and loosing weight and looks great.
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Because they are in a caloric deficit. If they ate to maintenance they would not lose fat, regardless of exercise...Commander_Keen wrote: »Cardio is done to improve cardio vascular fitness and burn calories. It will HELP with a calorie deficit and for some that do a lot of cardio, allow one to eat more versus someone at the same weight who does little or no cardio at all.
Like all other physical activity, GLYCOGEN will be the first thing burned before fat is even touched (ratio will vary more to fat if duration extended and/or intensity is lower) so the addage that one needs to do cardio to burn fat is a myth. You burn fat with a calorie deficit. Don't believe it? Do whatever cardio you want, but eat your TDEE. You'll more likely keep the same bodyfat percentage if you keep doing that.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
There AREN'T any "fat burning" exercises. Exercise is for fitness and health. How you lose fat is based more on CICO than how much or how one works out. You can improve muscle and muscle tone, but exercise doesn't directly burn off excess fat tissue the way people think it does. That's why "spot reduction" doesn't exist.AdorkableRegal wrote: »Okay, then if Cardio isn't for fat burning what exercise do you recommend?
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There AREN'T any "fat burning" exercises. Exercise is for fitness and health. How you lose fat is based more on CICO than how much or how one works out. You can improve muscle and muscle tone, but exercise doesn't directly burn off excess fat tissue the way people think it does. That's why "spot reduction" doesn't exist.AdorkableRegal wrote: »Okay, then if Cardio isn't for fat burning what exercise do you recommend?
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Aren't you just contracting your self?
You said "You burn fat with a calorie deficit"
Then you said, " How you lose fat is based more on CICO "
Now doesn't cardio burn Calories?
If yes, doesn't that mean then CI < CO + Cardio and isn't that what you said at the begging?
Look dude. I don't know your point
but I know that there are people out there who spent 2hrs a day doing cardio and loosing weight and looks great.0 -
jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
You have to be pretty much brain dead if this is what you're taking away from this thread...either that, or willfully misunderstanding...either way, start thinking.
That was sarcasm, but thanks for the insult.
No...I really can't believe that's what you take away from this thread...like it's mind boggling....0 -
jessicarae0316 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
This seems to me to be willful misunderstanding. Adults should be able to have adult conversations and discuss matters that interest them without worrying that the topic is "dangerous."
Perhaps a more valuable takeaway is that getting sufficient sleep is important.
It's dangerous because in the case of the poster above, they now believe that exercising is not worthwhile.
I suppose no one should post anything because someone, somewhere, could misunderstand the subject and be worse off for it.
You should possibly stop posting because now someone might be afraid that posts about how exercise works can literally show up at their house and pistol whip them.1 -
jessicarae0316 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
This seems to me to be willful misunderstanding. Adults should be able to have adult conversations and discuss matters that interest them without worrying that the topic is "dangerous."
Perhaps a more valuable takeaway is that getting sufficient sleep is important.
It's dangerous because in the case of the poster above, they now believe that exercising is not worthwhile.
i see we have now crossed over into the land of the ridiculousness...0 -
I like this as people don't believe me
Wife's ex is large goes to gym and gives up as no weight loss but still stuffs junk all day
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cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
You have to be pretty much brain dead if this is what you're taking away from this thread...either that, or willfully misunderstanding...either way, start thinking.
That was sarcasm, but thanks for the insult.
No...I really can't believe that's what you take away from this thread...like it's mind boggling....
My only point was that it's possible to create the calorie deficit from cardio to be able to lose weight/fat. I actually agree with your reply above, before you turned to insults. I prefer to create my deficit most of the time with cardio, because food....and wine. If you want to create yours with calorie restriction, that's ok too. Neither way is right or wrong.0 -
jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
You have to be pretty much brain dead if this is what you're taking away from this thread...either that, or willfully misunderstanding...either way, start thinking.
That was sarcasm, but thanks for the insult.
No...I really can't believe that's what you take away from this thread...like it's mind boggling....
My only point was that it's possible to create the calorie deficit from cardio to be able to lose weight/fat. I actually agree with your reply above, before you turned to insults. I prefer to create my deficit most of the time with cardio, because food....and wine. If you want to create yours with calorie restriction, that's ok too. Neither way is right or wrong.
Actually, both ways are right, neither is wrong.
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peachyfuzzle wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
You have to be pretty much brain dead if this is what you're taking away from this thread...either that, or willfully misunderstanding...either way, start thinking.
That was sarcasm, but thanks for the insult.
No...I really can't believe that's what you take away from this thread...like it's mind boggling....
My only point was that it's possible to create the calorie deficit from cardio to be able to lose weight/fat. I actually agree with your reply above, before you turned to insults. I prefer to create my deficit most of the time with cardio, because food....and wine. If you want to create yours with calorie restriction, that's ok too. Neither way is right or wrong.
Actually, both ways are right, neither is wrong.
And both ways were described in the OP, but somehow it's wrong and horrible.0 -
jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
You have to be pretty much brain dead if this is what you're taking away from this thread...either that, or willfully misunderstanding...either way, start thinking.
That was sarcasm, but thanks for the insult.
No...I really can't believe that's what you take away from this thread...like it's mind boggling....
My only point was that it's possible to create the calorie deficit from cardio to be able to lose weight/fat. I actually agree with your reply above, before you turned to insults. I prefer to create my deficit most of the time with cardio, because food....and wine. If you want to create yours with calorie restriction, that's ok too. Neither way is right or wrong.
so after multiple posts you basically agree with OP?0 -
Sorry, it wasn't so much the OP, but some of the posts after. You guys enjoy the rest of your day.0
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jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
You have to be pretty much brain dead if this is what you're taking away from this thread...either that, or willfully misunderstanding...either way, start thinking.
That was sarcasm, but thanks for the insult.
No...I really can't believe that's what you take away from this thread...like it's mind boggling....
My only point was that it's possible to create the calorie deficit from cardio to be able to lose weight/fat. I actually agree with your reply above, before you turned to insults. I prefer to create my deficit most of the time with cardio, because food....and wine. If you want to create yours with calorie restriction, that's ok too. Neither way is right or wrong.
But you're still consuming less than you expend...which is the whole friggin' point. If you ate at a level commensurate with your expenditure you wouldn't burn fat...period...jebus.
I train like a mad man...I have lost weight, gained weight, and maintained weight all while training like a person possessed...the difference between the three weight management objectives wasn't my training...it was HOW MUCH I WAS EATING.0 -
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Because they are in a caloric deficit. If they ate to maintenance they would not lose fat, regardless of exercise...[/quote]
Are you suggesting/stating that exercise (or cardio) does not does not increase the calories out?
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Not if you eat to maintenance...jessicarae0316 wrote: »My only point was that it's possible to create the calorie deficit from cardio to be able to lose weight/fat.
But you still need to eat less then you expend...jessicarae0316 wrote: »I prefer to create my deficit most of the time with cardio, because food....and wine.0 -
f course it increases calories out. That said, if you eat to maintenance you will not lose fat. At the end of the day, regardless of exercise, you need to eat less then you expend...Commander_Keen wrote: »Are you suggesting/stating that exercise (or cardio) does not does not increase the calories out?0 -
Question.
When one is bulking, are they not exercising? Why then do they not lose weight/fat?
Why do they gain weight/fat?0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »jessicarae0316 wrote: »Thanks OP, this discussion has been really instructive for me, and I'm sure others.
So if fat is lost sleeping and during rest, seems takin it easy, relaxing, getting long sleeps and eating at a deficit rather than excersizing gets us an unfat body.
Great! Tired of sore swollen body aches pains and joints. All I want is the fat off and not to have to eat much! Awesome.
Exactly why this type of post is so dangerous. Everyone stop working out and start taking naps.
You have to be pretty much brain dead if this is what you're taking away from this thread...either that, or willfully misunderstanding...either way, start thinking.
That was sarcasm, but thanks for the insult.
No...I really can't believe that's what you take away from this thread...like it's mind boggling....
My only point was that it's possible to create the calorie deficit from cardio to be able to lose weight/fat. I actually agree with your reply above, before you turned to insults. I prefer to create my deficit most of the time with cardio, because food....and wine. If you want to create yours with calorie restriction, that's ok too. Neither way is right or wrong.
But you're still consuming less than you expend...which is the whole friggin' point. If you ate at a level commensurate with your expenditure you wouldn't burn fat...period...jebus.
I train like a mad man...I have lost weight, gained weight, and maintained weight all while training like a person possessed...the difference between the three weight management objectives wasn't my training...it was HOW MUCH I WAS EATING.
Ok, I'm confused did you add more cardio or just sleep more? I wish you would be more clear. 0 -
I have been told by other trainers just the opposite.
can you prove your point to be correct?
Please explain to me, that if I ate at maintenance (TDD) which is 2000 calories, and I burn 2000 calories from cardio, I would not loose weight?0 -
No one is even remotely claiming that. It says "eat at maintenance". Does someone actually need to explain to you what that means?Commander_Keen wrote: »Because they are in a caloric deficit. If they ate to maintenance they would not lose fat, regardless of exercise...
Are you suggesting/stating that exercise (or cardio) does not does not increase the calories out?
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Commander_Keen wrote: »I have been told by other trainers just the opposite.
can you prove your point to be correct?
Please explain to me, that if I ate at maintenance (TDD) which is 2000 calories, and I burn 2000 calories from cardio, I would not loose weight?
you would be miserable netting zero calories, but yes you would lose weight.
good luck burning 2000 calories a day using straight cardio ...
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If you're bmr is 2000 cals and you do 2000 cals worth of cardio, maintenance is 4000 cals. If you eat 4000 cals (maintenance), you will not lose weight/fat.Commander_Keen wrote: »I have been told by other trainers just the opposite.
can you prove your point to be correct?
Please explain to me, that if I ate at maintenance (TDD) which is 2000 calories, and I burn 2000 calories from cardio, I would not loose weight?0 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »I have been told by other trainers just the opposite.
can you prove your point to be correct?
Please explain to me, that if I ate at maintenance (TDD) which is 2000 calories, and I burn 2000 calories from cardio, I would not loose weight?
Terminology is important here. If you ate at maintenance for a particular activity level then you add exercise on top of that you are now in a deficit. So you are confusing the terms I believe.0 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »I have been told by other trainers just the opposite.
can you prove your point to be correct?
Please explain to me, that if I ate at maintenance (TDD) which is 2000 calories, and I burn 2000 calories from cardio, I would not loose weight?
If my TDEE is 3,000 calories....that means I'm burning 3,000 calories...that's everything...that's my BMR...my NEAT...my exercise...everything. If I burn 3,000 calories and I consume 3,000 calories...that's called break even...that's called maintaining. If I increase my exercise so that my TDEE is 3,500 calories and also consume 3,500 calories...guess what? Maintaining. If My TDEE is 3,500 calories and I'm still eating 3,000...well...then I'm consuming less energy than I'm expending...which is the entire point of this entire thing and I'm seriously baffled how something so simple can be so hard to understand.
LOSING WEIGHT REQUIRES YOU TO CONSUME LESS ENERGY THAN YOU ARE EXPENDING.0 -
Commander_Keen wrote: »I have been told by other trainers just the opposite.
can you prove your point to be correct?
Please explain to me, that if I ate at maintenance (TDD) which is 2000 calories, and I burn 2000 calories from cardio, I would not loose weight?
you would be miserable netting zero calories, but yes you would lose weight.
good luck burning 2000 calories a day using straight cardio ...
I've done it but depends how you do it. For many people you would need to run/walk between a half marathon and a marathon distance depending on your weight and your mix of activities. Yeah, it generally sucks to go over 1000 or so in cardio in a day.0
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