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Ultra-processed foods study
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There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
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Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
So you are saying it is the type of food that makes them obese? Not the excess calories?0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
So you are saying it is the type of food that makes them obese? Not the excess calories?
Both. It's much easier to over eat junk food than it is to eat "healthier" food. Your questions and motives are rather obvious
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I agree. People (in general) load up their plates with that kind of highly palatable food and aren't paying attention to the fact that it's easy to pack away a lot of calories with those foods.Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
So you are saying it is the type of food that makes them obese? Not the excess calories?
Both. It's much easier to over eat junk food than it is to eat "healthier" food. Your questions and motives are rather obvious
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I agree. People (in general) load up their plates with that kind of highly palatable food and aren't paying attention to the fact that it's easy to pack away a lot of calories with those foods.Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
So you are saying it is the type of food that makes them obese? Not the excess calories?
Both. It's much easier to over eat junk food than it is to eat "healthier" food. Your questions and motives are rather obvious
Yep, and small amounts of chips, chocolates etc etc usually pack a high calorie punch, without being particularly satiating.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
I feel I have to bring out this link again:
http://www.theonion.com/article/woman-a-leading-authority-on-what-shouldnt-be-in-p-359220 -
Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
I feel I have to bring out this link again:
http://www.theonion.com/article/woman-a-leading-authority-on-what-shouldnt-be-in-p-35922
Lol I get the tongue in cheek reference. But I'm not ashamed to say I like her attitude.
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Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
I feel I have to bring out this link again:
http://www.theonion.com/article/woman-a-leading-authority-on-what-shouldnt-be-in-p-35922
Lol I get the tongue in cheek reference. But I'm not ashamed to say I like her attitude.
Well, I'm glad that as an overweight child, I often stayed in the car while my mother shopped, so that someone with that attitude didn't think the food buying she was getting was just our lunch instead of food for the 24 people she took care of in adult foster care.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
I almost never see anyone shopping that way where I live (and to be fair their are few fat kids or Cardinals fans -- kidding winogelato, I've seen lots of Cardinals fans). Like I said above, if I focused only on one store and how I buy there (the self-service line), I'd have to assume my neighbors mainly bought beer, which seems not to be the case.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »I hadn't had Spaghetti-Os in decades but tried them last year to humor my OH. I thought they were awful - nothing like my regular pasta and sauce.
My sister gave my grandson some SpaghettiO's recently because she remembered them fondly from when she was child and felt bad that he'd never tried them. He ate a little of them and finally asked her "What is this stuff?" and said he couldn't finish them.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »weaversouth wrote: »I disagree that most people "don't eat that much processed food" (I forget who posted that one) but, where I live, in Central Alabama, all you have to do is look at some of the people checking out at Winn-Dixie and look at what they're buying. Aside from running up their grocery bills (and a lot of people here are on "food-stamp-programs" for themselves and their families so there isn't a lot of wiggle-room there) they are not going to get much nutrition out of the stuff they're buying. And, BTW, it doesn't just stop with the people on govt subsidies: I see plenty of people with young kids loading up on the processed stuff and not a lot of fresh vegs or other "ingredients" etc in those carts. I KNOW it seems easier to give the kids a can of Spaghetti-O's than to cook up some pasta and make some of your own sauce, but they probably don't realise that. ANYWAY, it's too bad that we don't still teach "Home Ec" in hs and try and get some sense and knowledge into the heads of the people who will be raising families in a very short time...(and boys should be taking it, as well!!!)
I don't think the pasta rings in Spaghetti-Os are any more processed than a dried pasta would be.
Yes, the pasta rings in Spaghetti-Os are more processed. They are cooked and canned.
When I make pasta and sauce, I don't add HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP or COTTONSEED or SOY OIL.
http://www.campbellfoodservice.com/details.aspx?code=1299
I hadn't had Spaghetti-Os in decades but tried them last year to humor my OH. I thought they were awful - nothing like my regular pasta and sauce. (Usually I use canned tomatoes and veggies, but sometimes I will use a jar of Newman's sauce.
My mom always cooked pasta before serving it to me. That form of processing usually happens to both dried pasta and pasta in a can.
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Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
It's an important question when judging people's shopping carts.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
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Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
So you can see into every obese persons shopping cart in the world???0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
So you can see into every obese persons shopping cart in the world???
LOL obviously I'm talking about the ones I've noticed over many years.
My niece and daughter used to be check out chicks who spent 8 hours a day looking at peoples grocery items, and it was glaringly obvious to them too.
I really do not see the point in debating this. It is what it is...
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Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
So you can see into every obese persons shopping cart in the world???
LOL obviously I'm talking about the ones I've noticed over many years.
My niece and daughter used to be check out chicks who spent 8 hours a day looking at peoples grocery items, and it was glaringly obvious to them too.
I really do not see the point in debating this. It is what it is...
Do you also believe you have psychic powers because of all the times you remember the phone ringing when you were thinking of someone, but you ignored the incredibly larger number of times it didn't happen? It is called counting the hits and ignoring the misses. It is a fundamental bias. You've probably mentally dismissed every person who was obese or overweight that had healthy food in their cart - you've given them a halo effect based on your presuppositions about dietary effects, leading you to under assess the weight of those that don't fit your stereotyping. There is a reason the plural of anecdote is not data.0 -
So?0
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This is why obesity and disease are sky rocketing.0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Processed foods isn't scary enough, so a new term needed to be invented?
I've seen numerous posts on MFP use the term "ultra processed food" or ask that others use it. And since some members insist that things like frozen vegetables are "processed food" I think it is a needed term.
I'm pretty surprised that only 60% of calories come from ultra processed foods. I would have guess higher.
People say that frozen vegetables are "processed" as an argumentative tool, because they don't want to admit that processed foods are causing disease, even though it's pretty clear that they are.0 -
Ew, Spaghetti-O's. That's garbage in a can. Pure toxic waste that should be dumped in the sewer where it can grow mutant ninja turtles.0
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Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
Probably where you live... Where I live, "obese people with obese children" actually have about 80% of their carts in "minimally processed foods" because I live in a culture of home cooking. I'm obese, I've always been MORBIDLY obese, and the amount of processed foods I had from birth till now is probably a one year's worth for someone else somewhere else, obese or not. I probably consume 5 times my previous amount of processed food now that I'm dieting because the packaged calories are convenient. It simply can't be generalized by looking at how people in your neighborhood eat. Obesity is a function of calories, processed or not.0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
Probably where you live... Where I live, "obese people with obese children" actually have about 80% of their carts in "minimally processed foods" because I live in a culture of home cooking. I'm obese, I've always been MORBIDLY obese, and the amount of processed foods I had from birth till now is probably a one year's worth for someone else somewhere else, obese or not. I probably consume 5 times my previous amount of processed food now that I'm dieting because the packaged calories are convenient. It simply can't be generalized by looking at how people in your neighborhood eat. Obesity is a function of calories, processed or not.
Actually, epidemiology tells us that the consumption of ultra-processed foods is positively associated with the increased prevalence of obesity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24667658
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20029821
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25804833
Of course this is just correlation, and doesn't mean that highly processed foods are obesogenic per se. But considering that they are, by definition, a nutritionally poor choice, I see no reason to "stand up" for them.
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
Probably where you live... Where I live, "obese people with obese children" actually have about 80% of their carts in "minimally processed foods" because I live in a culture of home cooking. I'm obese, I've always been MORBIDLY obese, and the amount of processed foods I had from birth till now is probably a one year's worth for someone else somewhere else, obese or not. I probably consume 5 times my previous amount of processed food now that I'm dieting because the packaged calories are convenient. It simply can't be generalized by looking at how people in your neighborhood eat. Obesity is a function of calories, processed or not.
Actually, epidemiology tells us that the consumption of ultra-processed foods is positively associated with the increased prevalence of obesity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24667658
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20029821
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25804833
Of course this is just correlation, and doesn't mean that highly processed foods are obesogenic per se. But considering that they are, by definition, a nutritionally poor choice, I see no reason to "stand up" for them.
Ultra processed foods have a higher calorie density in general, so this makes sense in the absence of calorie control strategies. I'm not standing up for ultra processed foods per se, I have no horse in this race. Making such foods scarce or harder to obtain on a population level could possibly help with the level of obesity in a given population (or not, we don't know what people would replace these foods with), my main issue is relevance. This topic may be relevant as a generalized observation on a population level for a certain population for the purpose of drafting dietary recommendations or something, but not for the people of MFP where (ideally) most calories are accounted for, junk or not. Not to mention the issue of correlation interpreted as causation by many. Samoa, for example, is at the far end of the world obesity spectrum, yet they consume less ultra processed foods by miles than many other countries with higher consumption and lower obesity rates.
What I'm "standing up" against is this tendency to want to reduce what is essentially a multifactorial issue to a handful of remote correlations (processing, sugar, carbs, fat..etc) in very specific populations then generalizing them for the purpose of "scapegoating and bandaiding", leading to such assumptions that shopping cart contents are accurately representative of a person's weight or that the consumption of these foods "will make you fat" stripped of all context.0 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
Probably where you live... Where I live, "obese people with obese children" actually have about 80% of their carts in "minimally processed foods" because I live in a culture of home cooking. I'm obese, I've always been MORBIDLY obese, and the amount of processed foods I had from birth till now is probably a one year's worth for someone else somewhere else, obese or not. I probably consume 5 times my previous amount of processed food now that I'm dieting because the packaged calories are convenient. It simply can't be generalized by looking at how people in your neighborhood eat. Obesity is a function of calories, processed or not.
Agreed. I became overweight through long hours at a sedentary job and way too many very fine meals that were far from ultra-processed. I've never eaten large amounts of that kind of food. It is easy to consume too many calories through Little Debbie snack cakes and the like, but you can do it just as easily at places like Morton's and nice Italian restaurants. What I see being judged most in this thread are working class shopping habits and poverty. Keep on snooping and feeling superior if it makes you feel better about your own life, folks. Some people need that I suppose.
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sunnybeaches105 wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
Probably where you live... Where I live, "obese people with obese children" actually have about 80% of their carts in "minimally processed foods" because I live in a culture of home cooking. I'm obese, I've always been MORBIDLY obese, and the amount of processed foods I had from birth till now is probably a one year's worth for someone else somewhere else, obese or not. I probably consume 5 times my previous amount of processed food now that I'm dieting because the packaged calories are convenient. It simply can't be generalized by looking at how people in your neighborhood eat. Obesity is a function of calories, processed or not.
Agreed. I became overweight through long hours at a sedentary job and way too many very fine meals that were far from ultra-processed. I've never eaten large amounts of that kind of food. It is easy to consume too many calories through Little Debbie snack cakes and the like, but you can do it just as easily at places like Morton's and nice Italian restaurants. What I see being judged most in this thread are working class shopping habits and poverty. Keep on snooping and feeling superior if it makes you feel better about your own life, folks. Some people need that I suppose.
Case in point. Today's lunch is high in calories and not a single "ultra processed" food. The last entry is basically homemade dumplings stuffed with potatoes and cabbage. In fact I did pretty poorly this week calorie-wise and did not lose any weight, but I haven't had anything ultra processed the whole week.
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