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Ultra-processed foods study
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So foods that are made specifically to be more palatable, turn out to be more palatable? Who would've thought!0
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I'm not sure what to make of that, given I was overweight and yet highly capable of pronouncing and reading many things in 3rd grade.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Now does it matter which animal is trying to do the pronunciation?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
Examples include: Chips (crisps), many types of sweet, fatty or salty snack products; ice cream, chocolates, candies (confectionery); French fries (chips), massmanufactured burgers and hot dogs; poultry and fish ‘nuggets’ or ‘sticks’ (‘fingers’); massmanufactured breads, buns, cookies (biscuits); breakfast cereals; pastries, cakes, cake mixes; ‘energy’ bars; preserves (jams), margarines; desserts; canned, bottled, dehydrated, packaged soups, noodles; sauces; meat, yeast extracts; soft, carbonated, cola, ‘energy’ drinks; sugared, sweetened milk drinks, condensed milk, sweetened including ‘fruit’ yoghurts; fruit and fruit ‘nectar’ drinks; instant coffee, cocoa drinks; no-alcohol wine or beer; pre-prepared meat, fish, vegetable, cheese, pizza, pasta dishes; infant formulas, follow-on milks, other baby products; ‘health’, ‘slimming’ products such as powdered or ‘fortified’ meal and dish substitutes.
Basically anything mass manufactured with lots of industrial ingredients prepared using industrial methods that can't be easily replicated at home.
I've been round large processing plants making the highlighted potato products, nothing they did wasn't achievable with a sharp knife and a frying pan although that wasn't the way they actually did it.
Lots of frozen French fries have those pesky unpronounceable chemicals added, and plain potato chips are easily made at home but not so much many other chips/crisps such as Cheetos or Ranch Doritos.
I think this is a decent enough list. It would be impossible to make a list that fit every example. For example, what if my "sauce" is simply a fresh salsa I made from scratch using vegetables from my garden? I doubt many would consider that ultra-processed but when I see sauces on this list the salsa isn't what I imagine they meant.
I believe the standard is an average 5th grader. At least in the US, I'm not sure about other countries.
According to the FoodBabe, and I'm assuming it's supposed to be global, it's her 8 year old (US 3rd grade).
Because we should all make decisions based on the knowledge of a 3rd grader.
But don't you see?
That must have been why you were overweight at that age. You were too smart for your own good, able to pronounce, and therefore eat, things you shouldn't have!
Clearly we need a dumbing-down of America's youth to keep the obesity epidemic in check. It is the only way.
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I'm not sure what to make of that, given I was overweight and yet highly capable of pronouncing and reading many things in 3rd grade.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Now does it matter which animal is trying to do the pronunciation?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
Examples include: Chips (crisps), many types of sweet, fatty or salty snack products; ice cream, chocolates, candies (confectionery); French fries (chips), massmanufactured burgers and hot dogs; poultry and fish ‘nuggets’ or ‘sticks’ (‘fingers’); massmanufactured breads, buns, cookies (biscuits); breakfast cereals; pastries, cakes, cake mixes; ‘energy’ bars; preserves (jams), margarines; desserts; canned, bottled, dehydrated, packaged soups, noodles; sauces; meat, yeast extracts; soft, carbonated, cola, ‘energy’ drinks; sugared, sweetened milk drinks, condensed milk, sweetened including ‘fruit’ yoghurts; fruit and fruit ‘nectar’ drinks; instant coffee, cocoa drinks; no-alcohol wine or beer; pre-prepared meat, fish, vegetable, cheese, pizza, pasta dishes; infant formulas, follow-on milks, other baby products; ‘health’, ‘slimming’ products such as powdered or ‘fortified’ meal and dish substitutes.
Basically anything mass manufactured with lots of industrial ingredients prepared using industrial methods that can't be easily replicated at home.
I've been round large processing plants making the highlighted potato products, nothing they did wasn't achievable with a sharp knife and a frying pan although that wasn't the way they actually did it.
Lots of frozen French fries have those pesky unpronounceable chemicals added, and plain potato chips are easily made at home but not so much many other chips/crisps such as Cheetos or Ranch Doritos.
I think this is a decent enough list. It would be impossible to make a list that fit every example. For example, what if my "sauce" is simply a fresh salsa I made from scratch using vegetables from my garden? I doubt many would consider that ultra-processed but when I see sauces on this list the salsa isn't what I imagine they meant.
I believe the standard is an average 5th grader. At least in the US, I'm not sure about other countries.
According to the FoodBabe, and I'm assuming it's supposed to be global, it's her 8 year old (US 3rd grade).
Because we should all make decisions based on the knowledge of a 3rd grader.
But don't you see?
That must have been why you were overweight at that age. You were too smart for your own good, able to pronounce, and therefore eat, things you shouldn't have!
Clearly we need a dumbing-down of America's youth to keep the obesity epidemic in check. It is the only way.
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WinoGelato wrote: »
I'm not sure what to make of that, given I was overweight and yet highly capable of pronouncing and reading many things in 3rd grade.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Now does it matter which animal is trying to do the pronunciation?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
Examples include: Chips (crisps), many types of sweet, fatty or salty snack products; ice cream, chocolates, candies (confectionery); French fries (chips), massmanufactured burgers and hot dogs; poultry and fish ‘nuggets’ or ‘sticks’ (‘fingers’); massmanufactured breads, buns, cookies (biscuits); breakfast cereals; pastries, cakes, cake mixes; ‘energy’ bars; preserves (jams), margarines; desserts; canned, bottled, dehydrated, packaged soups, noodles; sauces; meat, yeast extracts; soft, carbonated, cola, ‘energy’ drinks; sugared, sweetened milk drinks, condensed milk, sweetened including ‘fruit’ yoghurts; fruit and fruit ‘nectar’ drinks; instant coffee, cocoa drinks; no-alcohol wine or beer; pre-prepared meat, fish, vegetable, cheese, pizza, pasta dishes; infant formulas, follow-on milks, other baby products; ‘health’, ‘slimming’ products such as powdered or ‘fortified’ meal and dish substitutes.
Basically anything mass manufactured with lots of industrial ingredients prepared using industrial methods that can't be easily replicated at home.
I've been round large processing plants making the highlighted potato products, nothing they did wasn't achievable with a sharp knife and a frying pan although that wasn't the way they actually did it.
Lots of frozen French fries have those pesky unpronounceable chemicals added, and plain potato chips are easily made at home but not so much many other chips/crisps such as Cheetos or Ranch Doritos.
I think this is a decent enough list. It would be impossible to make a list that fit every example. For example, what if my "sauce" is simply a fresh salsa I made from scratch using vegetables from my garden? I doubt many would consider that ultra-processed but when I see sauces on this list the salsa isn't what I imagine they meant.
I believe the standard is an average 5th grader. At least in the US, I'm not sure about other countries.
According to the FoodBabe, and I'm assuming it's supposed to be global, it's her 8 year old (US 3rd grade).
Because we should all make decisions based on the knowledge of a 3rd grader.
But don't you see?
That must have been why you were overweight at that age. You were too smart for your own good, able to pronounce, and therefore eat, things you shouldn't have!
Clearly we need a dumbing-down of America's youth to keep the obesity epidemic in check. It is the only way.
I accept this because it agrees with my preconceived notions of life not being fair.
It also explains why impoverished countries have such malnutrition. The inability to pronounce food (compounded by them living off food no can pronounce like quinoa) because of the lack of education. We need to stop sending food donations and send phonics programs.0 -
I'm not sure what to make of that, given I was overweight and yet highly capable of pronouncing and reading many things in 3rd grade.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Now does it matter which animal is trying to do the pronunciation?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
Examples include: Chips (crisps), many types of sweet, fatty or salty snack products; ice cream, chocolates, candies (confectionery); French fries (chips), massmanufactured burgers and hot dogs; poultry and fish ‘nuggets’ or ‘sticks’ (‘fingers’); massmanufactured breads, buns, cookies (biscuits); breakfast cereals; pastries, cakes, cake mixes; ‘energy’ bars; preserves (jams), margarines; desserts; canned, bottled, dehydrated, packaged soups, noodles; sauces; meat, yeast extracts; soft, carbonated, cola, ‘energy’ drinks; sugared, sweetened milk drinks, condensed milk, sweetened including ‘fruit’ yoghurts; fruit and fruit ‘nectar’ drinks; instant coffee, cocoa drinks; no-alcohol wine or beer; pre-prepared meat, fish, vegetable, cheese, pizza, pasta dishes; infant formulas, follow-on milks, other baby products; ‘health’, ‘slimming’ products such as powdered or ‘fortified’ meal and dish substitutes.
Basically anything mass manufactured with lots of industrial ingredients prepared using industrial methods that can't be easily replicated at home.
I've been round large processing plants making the highlighted potato products, nothing they did wasn't achievable with a sharp knife and a frying pan although that wasn't the way they actually did it.
Lots of frozen French fries have those pesky unpronounceable chemicals added, and plain potato chips are easily made at home but not so much many other chips/crisps such as Cheetos or Ranch Doritos.
I think this is a decent enough list. It would be impossible to make a list that fit every example. For example, what if my "sauce" is simply a fresh salsa I made from scratch using vegetables from my garden? I doubt many would consider that ultra-processed but when I see sauces on this list the salsa isn't what I imagine they meant.
I believe the standard is an average 5th grader. At least in the US, I'm not sure about other countries.
According to the FoodBabe, and I'm assuming it's supposed to be global, it's her 8 year old (US 3rd grade).
Because we should all make decisions based on the knowledge of a 3rd grader.
And the fact that adults are clinging to it...? Yeah. I quite literally cannot.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
Probably where you live... Where I live, "obese people with obese children" actually have about 80% of their carts in "minimally processed foods" because I live in a culture of home cooking. I'm obese, I've always been MORBIDLY obese, and the amount of processed foods I had from birth till now is probably a one year's worth for someone else somewhere else, obese or not. I probably consume 5 times my previous amount of processed food now that I'm dieting because the packaged calories are convenient. It simply can't be generalized by looking at how people in your neighborhood eat. Obesity is a function of calories, processed or not.
Actually, epidemiology tells us that the consumption of ultra-processed foods is positively associated with the increased prevalence of obesity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24667658
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20029821
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25804833
Of course this is just correlation, and doesn't mean that highly processed foods are obesogenic per se. But considering that they are, by definition, a nutritionally poor choice, I see no reason to "stand up" for them.
Depends on the definition. (Which is covered in earlier posts in this thread or maybe the other ultraprocessed food thread--I only recently realized there were two separate ones.)
the study mentioned in the OP has a pretty clear definition:
"Ultra-processed foods were defined as industrial formulations which, besides salt, sugar, oils and fats, include substances not used in culinary preparations, in particular additives used to imitate sensorial qualities of minimally processed foods and their culinary preparations" so, yes, definitely nutritionally poor.
There's nothing in that statement that means the foods are nutritionally poor.
Where does my Greek yogurt fall in their category?
It also has Nitrogen. The Food babe told me they pump it into planes, and now they are putting it right into foods!
Yes. This is ultra processed. On top of that it has nitrogen. You're gonna die and I'm not. My yogurt is better than yours!
9% fat?! Do they add extra cream to the milk? Pure cow milk is around 4% IIRC.
Greek yogurt is basically regular yogurt that is strained. It loses some of its whey but most of the fat remains intact. We also make it at home and typically buy 3 kg of milk to get about 1 kg of greek yogurt.
Ah, that makes sense now. It's referring to the fat % of the final product. Typically, when you see fat % on dairy products in the US such as cheeses or yogurt, it refers to the fat % of the milk used to make it.
Like this:
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WinoGelato wrote: »
I'm not sure what to make of that, given I was overweight and yet highly capable of pronouncing and reading many things in 3rd grade.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Now does it matter which animal is trying to do the pronunciation?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
Examples include: Chips (crisps), many types of sweet, fatty or salty snack products; ice cream, chocolates, candies (confectionery); French fries (chips), massmanufactured burgers and hot dogs; poultry and fish ‘nuggets’ or ‘sticks’ (‘fingers’); massmanufactured breads, buns, cookies (biscuits); breakfast cereals; pastries, cakes, cake mixes; ‘energy’ bars; preserves (jams), margarines; desserts; canned, bottled, dehydrated, packaged soups, noodles; sauces; meat, yeast extracts; soft, carbonated, cola, ‘energy’ drinks; sugared, sweetened milk drinks, condensed milk, sweetened including ‘fruit’ yoghurts; fruit and fruit ‘nectar’ drinks; instant coffee, cocoa drinks; no-alcohol wine or beer; pre-prepared meat, fish, vegetable, cheese, pizza, pasta dishes; infant formulas, follow-on milks, other baby products; ‘health’, ‘slimming’ products such as powdered or ‘fortified’ meal and dish substitutes.
Basically anything mass manufactured with lots of industrial ingredients prepared using industrial methods that can't be easily replicated at home.
I've been round large processing plants making the highlighted potato products, nothing they did wasn't achievable with a sharp knife and a frying pan although that wasn't the way they actually did it.
Lots of frozen French fries have those pesky unpronounceable chemicals added, and plain potato chips are easily made at home but not so much many other chips/crisps such as Cheetos or Ranch Doritos.
I think this is a decent enough list. It would be impossible to make a list that fit every example. For example, what if my "sauce" is simply a fresh salsa I made from scratch using vegetables from my garden? I doubt many would consider that ultra-processed but when I see sauces on this list the salsa isn't what I imagine they meant.
I believe the standard is an average 5th grader. At least in the US, I'm not sure about other countries.
According to the FoodBabe, and I'm assuming it's supposed to be global, it's her 8 year old (US 3rd grade).
Because we should all make decisions based on the knowledge of a 3rd grader.
But don't you see?
That must have been why you were overweight at that age. You were too smart for your own good, able to pronounce, and therefore eat, things you shouldn't have!
Clearly we need a dumbing-down of America's youth to keep the obesity epidemic in check. It is the only way.
I accept this because it agrees with my preconceived notions of life not being fair.
It also explains why impoverished countries have such malnutrition. The inability to pronounce food (compounded by them living off food no can pronounce like quinoa) because of the lack of education. We need to stop sending food donations and send phonics programs.
Quinoa is a funny example. I wonder how many people who eat it know how to pronounce it. I know I ate for a while before learning how it is correctly pronounced.
I suppose if you are narcissistic enough to always assume your pronunciation is correct, you can eat anything you want.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
I'm not sure what to make of that, given I was overweight and yet highly capable of pronouncing and reading many things in 3rd grade.Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Now does it matter which animal is trying to do the pronunciation?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »
Examples include: Chips (crisps), many types of sweet, fatty or salty snack products; ice cream, chocolates, candies (confectionery); French fries (chips), massmanufactured burgers and hot dogs; poultry and fish ‘nuggets’ or ‘sticks’ (‘fingers’); massmanufactured breads, buns, cookies (biscuits); breakfast cereals; pastries, cakes, cake mixes; ‘energy’ bars; preserves (jams), margarines; desserts; canned, bottled, dehydrated, packaged soups, noodles; sauces; meat, yeast extracts; soft, carbonated, cola, ‘energy’ drinks; sugared, sweetened milk drinks, condensed milk, sweetened including ‘fruit’ yoghurts; fruit and fruit ‘nectar’ drinks; instant coffee, cocoa drinks; no-alcohol wine or beer; pre-prepared meat, fish, vegetable, cheese, pizza, pasta dishes; infant formulas, follow-on milks, other baby products; ‘health’, ‘slimming’ products such as powdered or ‘fortified’ meal and dish substitutes.
Basically anything mass manufactured with lots of industrial ingredients prepared using industrial methods that can't be easily replicated at home.
I've been round large processing plants making the highlighted potato products, nothing they did wasn't achievable with a sharp knife and a frying pan although that wasn't the way they actually did it.
Lots of frozen French fries have those pesky unpronounceable chemicals added, and plain potato chips are easily made at home but not so much many other chips/crisps such as Cheetos or Ranch Doritos.
I think this is a decent enough list. It would be impossible to make a list that fit every example. For example, what if my "sauce" is simply a fresh salsa I made from scratch using vegetables from my garden? I doubt many would consider that ultra-processed but when I see sauces on this list the salsa isn't what I imagine they meant.
I believe the standard is an average 5th grader. At least in the US, I'm not sure about other countries.
According to the FoodBabe, and I'm assuming it's supposed to be global, it's her 8 year old (US 3rd grade).
Because we should all make decisions based on the knowledge of a 3rd grader.
But don't you see?
That must have been why you were overweight at that age. You were too smart for your own good, able to pronounce, and therefore eat, things you shouldn't have!
Clearly we need a dumbing-down of America's youth to keep the obesity epidemic in check. It is the only way.
I accept this because it agrees with my preconceived notions of life not being fair.
It also explains why impoverished countries have such malnutrition. The inability to pronounce food (compounded by them living off food no can pronounce like quinoa) because of the lack of education. We need to stop sending food donations and send phonics programs.
Quinoa is a funny example. I wonder how many people who eat it know how to pronounce it. I know I ate for a while before learning how it is correctly pronounced.
I suppose if you are narcissistic enough to always assume your pronunciation is correct, you can eat anything you want.
My cousin used to work at Whole Foods. He say one of the first things you learn is how to pronounce qunioa. I think one of the second things you learn is how to correct customers on how to pronounce while not hurting their feelings.0 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »Ah, that makes sense now. It's referring to the fat % of the final product. Typically, when you see fat % on dairy products in the US such as cheeses or yogurt, it refers to the fat % of the milk used to make it.
Another epic fail of US labelling
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The_Enginerd wrote: »Ah, that makes sense now. It's referring to the fat % of the final product. Typically, when you see fat % on dairy products in the US such as cheeses or yogurt, it refers to the fat % of the milk used to make it.
Another epic fail of US labelling
Like other labels, labels on dairy identify fat grams.
Yes, they also use widely recognized terms like 1% or 2%.0 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
Probably where you live... Where I live, "obese people with obese children" actually have about 80% of their carts in "minimally processed foods" because I live in a culture of home cooking. I'm obese, I've always been MORBIDLY obese, and the amount of processed foods I had from birth till now is probably a one year's worth for someone else somewhere else, obese or not. I probably consume 5 times my previous amount of processed food now that I'm dieting because the packaged calories are convenient. It simply can't be generalized by looking at how people in your neighborhood eat. Obesity is a function of calories, processed or not.
Actually, epidemiology tells us that the consumption of ultra-processed foods is positively associated with the increased prevalence of obesity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24667658
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20029821
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25804833
Of course this is just correlation, and doesn't mean that highly processed foods are obesogenic per se. But considering that they are, by definition, a nutritionally poor choice, I see no reason to "stand up" for them.
Depends on the definition. (Which is covered in earlier posts in this thread or maybe the other ultraprocessed food thread--I only recently realized there were two separate ones.)
the study mentioned in the OP has a pretty clear definition:
"Ultra-processed foods were defined as industrial formulations which, besides salt, sugar, oils and fats, include substances not used in culinary preparations, in particular additives used to imitate sensorial qualities of minimally processed foods and their culinary preparations" so, yes, definitely nutritionally poor.
There's nothing in that statement that means the foods are nutritionally poor.
Where does my Greek yogurt fall in their category?
It also has Nitrogen. The Food babe told me they pump it into planes, and now they are putting it right into foods!
Yes. This is ultra processed. On top of that it has nitrogen. You're gonna die and I'm not. My yogurt is better than yours!
9% fat?! Do they add extra cream to the milk? Pure cow milk is around 4% IIRC.
Greek yogurt is basically regular yogurt that is strained. It loses some of its whey but most of the fat remains intact. We also make it at home and typically buy 3 kg of milk to get about 1 kg of greek yogurt.
Ah, that makes sense now. It's referring to the fat % of the final product. Typically, when you see fat % on dairy products in the US such as cheeses or yogurt, it refers to the fat % of the milk used to make it.
Like this:
That's interesting. I think our labeling is still living in the 80s and 90s. In addition to conventional labeling there is always this additional tidbit of the percentage of fat in the product.0 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »Ah, that makes sense now. It's referring to the fat % of the final product. Typically, when you see fat % on dairy products in the US such as cheeses or yogurt, it refers to the fat % of the milk used to make it.
Another epic fail of US labelling
I'm not sure how stating the fat % of the milk used vs. the fat % of the final product is a fail. It's just a difference. It's not like that information is hidden. The total fat and calories from fat is stated right there on the nutrition information.amusedmonkey wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »There are a few posts around that insist that people know what others eat based on looking at shopping carts, peaking in windows, etc.
I find this interesting because, in a scientific sense, I don't even know what I eat unless I consult my food logs. Dieticians logging their food even get it wrong by about 25% at first according to at least one study.
When I peek into obese peoples shopping trolleys, with their obese children toddling along behind, I have never once been surprised in what I see. It's usually obvious why they are obese
It must not be obvious to me. Why?
Seriously??? Because the majority of their haul is highly processed junk food, and very little if any whole fresh food. You know... The usual weight gain suspects.
Adults do what you want, but when i see them feeding this stuff to their kids actively contributing to their obesity, it just makes me see red.
so your observation is based on the .000001% of the population that you happen to see on a certain day in the supermarket?
If someone saw me on a day that I ran out of talenti and I am stocking up on five different flavors then they would probably assume I am glutton as well....
Are you obese with obese children??
Not sure what that has to do with anything ...
It was the point of my post... When I see obese people in the grocery store, nearly everyday, the contents in their trolley reflects their weight.
Probably where you live... Where I live, "obese people with obese children" actually have about 80% of their carts in "minimally processed foods" because I live in a culture of home cooking. I'm obese, I've always been MORBIDLY obese, and the amount of processed foods I had from birth till now is probably a one year's worth for someone else somewhere else, obese or not. I probably consume 5 times my previous amount of processed food now that I'm dieting because the packaged calories are convenient. It simply can't be generalized by looking at how people in your neighborhood eat. Obesity is a function of calories, processed or not.
Actually, epidemiology tells us that the consumption of ultra-processed foods is positively associated with the increased prevalence of obesity.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24667658
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20029821
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25804833
Of course this is just correlation, and doesn't mean that highly processed foods are obesogenic per se. But considering that they are, by definition, a nutritionally poor choice, I see no reason to "stand up" for them.
Depends on the definition. (Which is covered in earlier posts in this thread or maybe the other ultraprocessed food thread--I only recently realized there were two separate ones.)
the study mentioned in the OP has a pretty clear definition:
"Ultra-processed foods were defined as industrial formulations which, besides salt, sugar, oils and fats, include substances not used in culinary preparations, in particular additives used to imitate sensorial qualities of minimally processed foods and their culinary preparations" so, yes, definitely nutritionally poor.
There's nothing in that statement that means the foods are nutritionally poor.
Where does my Greek yogurt fall in their category?
It also has Nitrogen. The Food babe told me they pump it into planes, and now they are putting it right into foods!
Yes. This is ultra processed. On top of that it has nitrogen. You're gonna die and I'm not. My yogurt is better than yours!
9% fat?! Do they add extra cream to the milk? Pure cow milk is around 4% IIRC.
Greek yogurt is basically regular yogurt that is strained. It loses some of its whey but most of the fat remains intact. We also make it at home and typically buy 3 kg of milk to get about 1 kg of greek yogurt.
Ah, that makes sense now. It's referring to the fat % of the final product. Typically, when you see fat % on dairy products in the US such as cheeses or yogurt, it refers to the fat % of the milk used to make it.
Like this:
That's interesting. I think our labeling is still living in the 80s and 90s. In addition to conventional labeling there is always this additional tidbit of the percentage of fat in the product.
We still that leftover from the low fat trend as well. Calories from fat is still specifically called out in our nutrition labels.
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DancingDarl wrote: »It is overwhelming to think that our diets are really quite deficient on average of all the micronutrients that the body needs to perform its functions. It comes as no suprize that alot of the illnesses these days go hand in gand with nutritional deficiencies. The more processed a food the more you chance contamination also, i am talking harmful organisms, toxic heavy metals and whatever the product manufacterers procedures are.
I am looking at my diet closely lately and even on my best days my vegetables and fruit are only getting close to 50% of my total calories. Everyone needs to do as much as they can to take responsibility for their choices. If illness really is to continue on we need to really look at how we are educating our children and if we are in fact preparing them to be able to cook all their snacks meals from home we can minimize the ignorance and give them the power to not only benefit but enjoy food in a safe healthy way.
But most fruits and (especially) vegetables aren't that calorie dense, so even if you eat a lot of them they might not make up more than 50% of your intake. Non-fruits and vegetables have nutritional value too, so I'm not sure what the significance is of that 50% number for you.0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »It is overwhelming to think that our diets are really quite deficient on average of all the micronutrients that the body needs to perform its functions. It comes as no suprize that alot of the illnesses these days go hand in gand with nutritional deficiencies. The more processed a food the more you chance contamination also, i am talking harmful organisms, toxic heavy metals and whatever the product manufacterers procedures are.
Modern medicine has a lot to do with the survival and breeding of people with nutritional issues, especially allergies. The people with these would die out long before being able to have children and pass on the traits. To blame it all on Big Foods is ridiculous.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »It is overwhelming to think that our diets are really quite deficient on average of all the micronutrients that the body needs to perform its functions. It comes as no suprize that alot of the illnesses these days go hand in gand with nutritional deficiencies. The more processed a food the more you chance contamination also, i am talking harmful organisms, toxic heavy metals and whatever the product manufacterers procedures are.
I am looking at my diet closely lately and even on my best days my vegetables and fruit are only getting close to 50% of my total calories. Everyone needs to do as much as they can to take responsibility for their choices. If illness really is to continue on we need to really look at how we are educating our children and if we are in fact preparing them to be able to cook all their snacks meals from home we can minimize the ignorance and give them the power to not only benefit but enjoy food in a safe healthy way.
But most fruits and (especially) vegetables aren't that calorie dense, so even if you eat a lot of them they might not make up more than 50% of your intake. Non-fruits and vegetables have nutritional value too, so I'm not sure what the significance is of that 50% number for you.
Agreed. I think people get so caught up in fruits and vegetables being nutrient dense that they forget most other food also provides micronutrients. I've never read a recommendation for 50% of calories from fruit/veg. Many of those plate graphics show the plate 50% full of vegetables/fruit but that very different than calories.0 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »The_Enginerd wrote: »Ah, that makes sense now. It's referring to the fat % of the final product. Typically, when you see fat % on dairy products in the US such as cheeses or yogurt, it refers to the fat % of the milk used to make it.
Another epic fail of US labelling
I'm not sure how stating the fat % of the milk used vs. the fat % of the final product is a fail. It's just a difference. It's not like that information is hidden. The total fat and calories from fat is stated right there on the nutrition information.
Prominence of information. I would be fairly confident of getting a label like that banned here on account of it being misleading.
What it's made from isn't really relevant to anything, I could make heavy whipping cream or 0% fat yoghurt from 2% fat milk.
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