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Is the amount of easy access processed food harming dieters health?
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WinoGelato wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »You can be thin or even fit and still develop health problems. There's no doubt that processed foods aren't good for our health, and are contributing to the rise of common health problems, cancers, and other diseases. Few people achieve perfection, but I think it's best to eat natural, healthy food as much as possible. I would think of processed food as an occasional treat. If all you care about is weight and physique, then that's one thing. But it's another thing to care about your health as a whole.
So people who eat processed foods only care about weight and physique and not about their health?
Whao, wait. This is getting too personal. That's not what I said.0 -
lisawinning4losing wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »You can be thin or even fit and still develop health problems. There's no doubt that processed foods aren't good for our health, and are contributing to the rise of common health problems, cancers, and other diseases. Few people achieve perfection, but I think it's best to eat natural, healthy food as much as possible. I would think of processed food as an occasional treat. If all you care about is weight and physique, then that's one thing. But it's another thing to care about your health as a whole.
So people who eat processed foods only care about weight and physique and not about their health?
Whao, wait. This is getting too personal. That's not what I said.
How is asking you to clarify what you meant getting too personal? That's precisely why I asked, because it seems like a ludicrous claim that people who eat processed foods don't care about their health, since as it has been pointed out time and again in this thread and others - there are MANY processed foods which offer a variety of nutritional benefits. So what did you mean?0 -
There could be people who care about their health but don't realize the dangers of processed food, or they do realize the danger and choose to eat it in moderation. Or, they realize the dangers and they care, but they're still struggling with junk food addiction. I wouldn't say that someone "doesn't care" about their health just because they eat processed food. And to me, that kind of sounds like a personal attack, so I wouldn't say that. I care, but I'm definitely still struggling with it. But I think it's a different focus to only be focused on calories and weight, or to be focused on things like healthy eating and natural living. Two different philosophies, obviously.0
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lisawinning4losing wrote: »There could be people who care about their health but don't realize the dangers of processed food, or they do realize the danger and choose to eat it in moderation. Or, they realize the dangers and they care, but they're still struggling with junk food addiction. I wouldn't say that someone "doesn't care" about their health just because they eat processed food. And to me, that kind of sounds like a personal attack, so I wouldn't say that. I care, but I'm definitely still struggling with it. But I think it's a different focus to only be focused on calories and weight, or to be focused on things like healthy eating and natural living. Two different philosophies, obviously.
You keep saying there's dangers and how "there's no doubt" they're bad to your health. That's not how any of this works.1 -
The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.0
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lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.0 -
lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
Also as has been said 234623 times by now, processed foods, even "ultra-processed" is such a broad term, saying they're all bad for you without a doubt is like saying all fruit is good for you. Including the ones that are poisonous.1 -
stevencloser wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
Also as has been said 234623 times by now, processed foods, even "ultra-processed" is such a broad term, saying they're all bad for you without a doubt is like saying all fruit is good for you. Including the ones that are poisonous.
I'm assuming WHO didn't actually recommend this but I'm willing to read it if it's posted. I know there is the latest processed meats and cancer study that was released. That didn't even prompt a recommendation of "no processed meats". I can't imagine they would put a blanket statement out that says "Avoid processed food".
Like I said, I'm interested to read if they did as they are obviously well respected.0 -
lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
I think we may die of old age before we get an answer. I think she just likes throw out little nuggets of misinformation.0 -
lisawinning4losing wrote: »There could be people who care about their health but don't realize the dangers of processed food, or they do realize the danger and choose to eat it in moderation. Or, they realize the dangers and they care, but they're still struggling with junk food addiction. I wouldn't say that someone "doesn't care" about their health just because they eat processed food. And to me, that kind of sounds like a personal attack, so I wouldn't say that. I care, but I'm definitely still struggling with it. But I think it's a different focus to only be focused on calories and weight, or to be focused on things like healthy eating and natural living. Two different philosophies, obviously.
I posted some examples of ultra processed foods upthread (very large photos for some reason so I'm not going to post them again) that are in my pantry/freezer and commonly consumed in my diet (not always in the same day, but sometimes, sure). I'm a busy working mom and rely quite a bit on convenience foods, but that doesn't mean that I don't care about my health.
For example - here is my day so far:
Coffee with Coffeemate French Vanilla Liquid Creamer
Jimmy Dean Frozen Breakfast Bowl with Turkey Sausage, Potatoes, Egg Whites, Cheddar Cheese. (I add frozen spinach to that as well - more processed foods)
Turkey Melt Sandwich from Work Cafeteria (Wheat Bread, Turkey, Pepperjack Cheese + Baby Spinach) and Baked Cheetohs (gasp!).
Tonight I'm going to dinner with a friend - to a little local pizza/pasta place that focuses on local, seasonal ingredients. I need to hear today's specials but off the menu I'm leaning toward the Market Vegetable Salad + Fig and Squash Pizza with a glass or two of white wine.
As I mentioned upthread - I've lost weight, am successfully maintaining the loss, my blood work is better than ever, no indications of hypertension that would require me to limit sodium. So what dangers am I taking on with the foods I've listed above?0 -
I often hear people talking about their blood work looking fine. My dad had yearly blood work and physicals done, and it was great every year, no troublesome markers.
He died of cancer at age 47. All I'm saying is don't put 100% faith in blood work, as obviously it doesn't tell the whole story
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queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
I think we may die of old age before we get an answer. I think she just likes throw out little nuggets of misinformation.
Depends. Do you eat processed foods?0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
I think we may die of old age before we get an answer. I think she just likes throw out little nuggets of misinformation.
Depends. Do you eat processed foods?
I do. My diary is amass of processed foods. I may die.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I often hear people talking about their blood work looking fine. My dad had yearly blood work and physicals done, and it was great every year, no troublesome markers.
He died of cancer at age 47. All I'm saying is don't put 100% faith in blood work, as obviously it doesn't tell the whole story
I don't believe anyone is saying blood-work is perfectly capable of prediction, but obviously if blood-work is bad, there is an issue. Unless you have a working crystal ball, I'm note sure what you'd use to know someone's health outcomes perfectly. Again, people seem to want to argue health because it is nebulous concept. Showing emprical, repeatable, measurable numbers like A1C, lipid panels, or metabolic panels and people start back pedaling to preserve their belief.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I often hear people talking about their blood work looking fine. My dad had yearly blood work and physicals done, and it was great every year, no troublesome markers.
He died of cancer at age 47. All I'm saying is don't put 100% faith in blood work, as obviously it doesn't tell the whole story
It absolutely doesn't. But it is an easy risk factor to check.0 -
If processed, low quality food is going to be the measure of how long someone will live, can someone inform penitentiary death row inmates? Because for some reason, while eating low quality food for consecutive YEARS, we can't get them to die on death row while waiting to exhaust their appeals.
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Apparently "Both fresh and processed foods make up vital parts of the food supply" according to the American Society for Nutrition. http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/99/6/1525.abstract?sid=57a4714b-05d4-4322-90b8-e5ea16325a14Of the nutrients to encourage, processed foods contributed 55% of dietary fiber, 48% of calcium, 43% of potassium, 34% of vitamin D, 64% of iron, 65% of folate, and 46% of vitamin B-12. Of the constituents to limit, processed foods contributed 57% of energy, 52% of saturated fat, 75% of added sugars, and 57% of sodium.0
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stevencloser wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
Also as has been said 234623 times by now, processed foods, even "ultra-processed" is such a broad term, saying they're all bad for you without a doubt is like saying all fruit is good for you. Including the ones that are poisonous.
I'm assuming WHO didn't actually recommend this but I'm willing to read it if it's posted. I know there is the latest processed meats and cancer study that was released. That didn't even prompt a recommendation of "no processed meats". I can't imagine they would put a blanket statement out that says "Avoid processed food".
Like I said, I'm interested to read if they did as they are obviously well respected.
They don't. But their site is peppered with advice to eat more fruits and vegetables and less processed food high in fat and free sugars.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
Also as has been said 234623 times by now, processed foods, even "ultra-processed" is such a broad term, saying they're all bad for you without a doubt is like saying all fruit is good for you. Including the ones that are poisonous.
I'm assuming WHO didn't actually recommend this but I'm willing to read it if it's posted. I know there is the latest processed meats and cancer study that was released. That didn't even prompt a recommendation of "no processed meats". I can't imagine they would put a blanket statement out that says "Avoid processed food".
Like I said, I'm interested to read if they did as they are obviously well respected.
They don't. But their site is peppered with advice to eat more fruits and vegetables and less processed food high in fat and free sugars.
That's obvious to me and fine but not the same as "avoid".0 -
If processed, low quality food is going to be the measure of how long someone will live, can someone inform penitentiary death row inmates? Because for some reason, while eating low quality food for consecutive YEARS, we can't get them to die on death row while waiting to exhaust their appeals.
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As someone who was a corrections officer and has seen first hand the food offenders are fed you make an excellent excellent point! I eat processed foods all the time but even I wouldn't want to eat the food they're fed day in day out for the rest of their lives
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lisawinning4losing wrote: »There could be people who care about their health but don't realize the dangers of processed food, or they do realize the danger and choose to eat it in moderation. Or, they realize the dangers and they care, but they're still struggling with junk food addiction. I wouldn't say that someone "doesn't care" about their health just because they eat processed food. And to me, that kind of sounds like a personal attack, so I wouldn't say that. I care, but I'm definitely still struggling with it. But I think it's a different focus to only be focused on calories and weight, or to be focused on things like healthy eating and natural living. Two different philosophies, obviously.
Please describe the dangers of processed foods and provide credible sources to support your claim.
Please provide credible sources to support the concept of junk food addiction.
Healthy eating and a focus on calories/weight are not mutually exclusive.
Please define "natural living".1 -
queenliz99 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
I think we may die of old age before we get an answer. I think she just likes throw out little nuggets of misinformation.
Depends. Do you eat processed foods?
I do. My diary is amass of processed foods. I may die.
Maybe Christine and Lisawinning4losing should judge your diary and tell us how soon you will die. Of course, LIsa would have to open her diary to be fair.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
I think we may die of old age before we get an answer. I think she just likes throw out little nuggets of misinformation.
Depends. Do you eat processed foods?
I do. My diary is amass of processed foods. I may die.
Maybe Christine and Lisawinning4losing should judge your diary and tell us how soon you will die. Of course, LIsa would have to open her diary to be fair.
Heart attack on a plate!! The funny thing is my blood tests come back perfect now. It wasn't that way a few years ago, my doctor wanted to put me on cholesterol lowering drugs.0 -
It also supports CICO. They eat 3 meals a day (portioned unless taken or traded for something else), some get commissary, but it's usually not whole foods, and they don't have obesity issues. In fact many have physiques that lots of beach goers wish they had.If processed, low quality food is going to be the measure of how long someone will live, can someone inform penitentiary death row inmates? Because for some reason, while eating low quality food for consecutive YEARS, we can't get them to die on death row while waiting to exhaust their appeals.
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As someone who was a corrections officer and has seen first hand the food offenders are fed you make an excellent excellent point! I eat processed foods all the time but even I wouldn't want to eat the food they're fed day in day out for the rest of their lives
Part of the evidence I use about "processed" foods is what the penal system does to feed and inmate at a cost of $4 a day or less for 3 meals.
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I eat fast food at least once a week, and more if I'm really lazy to cook. McDonald's at least once a week since I was 10. And I'm not talking salads. Have yet to fail a physical exam.queenliz99 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »lisawinning4losing wrote: »The World Health Organization seems to think that's how this works, as they strongly recommend avoiding processed foods, based on decades of scientific research.
Can you point me to where they recommend avoiding processed foods? I have been looking and can't find it. No sarcasm or anything. Genuinely interested.
I think we may die of old age before we get an answer. I think she just likes throw out little nuggets of misinformation.
Depends. Do you eat processed foods?
I do. My diary is amass of processed foods. I may die.
Maybe Christine and Lisawinning4losing should judge your diary and tell us how soon you will die. Of course, LIsa would have to open her diary to be fair.
Heart attack on a plate!! The funny thing is my blood tests come back perfect now. It wasn't that way a few years ago, my doctor wanted to put me on cholesterol lowering drugs.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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markrgeary1 wrote: »Depends, how did you make the pancake batter? If like many folks you used Bisquick it's loaded with trans fats(at least in the US).
No trans fats. Image uploaded for future reference. Trans fats were pretty much regulated out of food in the USA several years ago.0 -
No trans fats. Image uploaded for future reference. Trans fats were pretty much regulated out of food in the USA several years ago.
Yet it's still on the label ? Is "partially hydrogenated soybean and/or cottonseed oil" free of trans fats ?
With silly labelling rules the 0 grams on the pack means <0.5 grams in 40g. So it could be 1% trans fats by weight.
FDA ruled only last year to phase out partially hydrogenated oils, giving three years to comply.0 -
It also supports CICO. They eat 3 meals a day (portioned unless taken or traded for something else), some get commissary, but it's usually not whole foods, and they don't have obesity issues. In fact many have physiques that lots of beach goers wish they had.If processed, low quality food is going to be the measure of how long someone will live, can someone inform penitentiary death row inmates? Because for some reason, while eating low quality food for consecutive YEARS, we can't get them to die on death row while waiting to exhaust their appeals.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
As someone who was a corrections officer and has seen first hand the food offenders are fed you make an excellent excellent point! I eat processed foods all the time but even I wouldn't want to eat the food they're fed day in day out for the rest of their lives
Part of the evidence I use about "processed" foods is what the penal system does to feed and inmate at a cost of $4 a day or less for 3 meals.
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A lot get commissary and the best sellers were definitely pop, peanut butter, ramen noodles (they used these to cook/make EVERYTHING), and packaged pastries like honey buns. Inmates eat horribly. There's very little fresh fruit or veggies in prison! But you're right their portion sizes are much different!0 -
It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.0
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Christine_72 wrote: »It must be different here in in the prison system in Australia. Not too sure abut the mens prison, but the women get fresh cooked meals every night, they can have fresh fruit everyday, cereal or toast for breakfast and a salad or cooked meal for lunch. A lot of them eat healthier in prison, than out.
Yeah. That's how people think it is in the US, but not reality.0
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