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Regardless of whether you buy into the Sugar is the Devil theory, you don't need to "detox" from sugar. It's not building up in the nooks and crannies of your digestive system. If you think sugar is bad for you, you can just stop eating it.
http://www.mynormalweight.com/blog/2013/03/25/how-sugar-metabolized/
You keep calling it just "sugar", and I'm making the distinction of "refined/added sugar". That's probably the source of your confusion, and why you aren't paying attention.
And the source of your confusion is thinking that added sugars are somehow a different substance than natural sugars.
Added/refined sugars are sucrose, glucose and fructose.
Natural sugars are sucrose, glucose and fructose.
Your body doesn't care whether or not the sucrose, glucose and fructose was added in a factory or not. It just knows that you ate sucrose, glucose and fructose.
Then it uses them to provide quick energy and/or restore glycogen.11 -
nakedraygun wrote: »Chemically, processed sugars are no different than those in natural occurring sources like those in fruit.
Believe it or not:
Natural sugars are found in fruit as fructose and in dairy products, such as milk and cheese, as lactose. Foods with natural sugar have an important role in the diet because they provide essential nutrients that keep the body healthy and help prevent disease.
Refined sugar comes from sugar cane or sugar beets, which are processed to extract the sugar. It is typically found as sucrose, which is the combination of glucose and fructose. We use white and brown sugars to sweeten cakes and cookies, coffee, cereal and even fruit. Food manufacturers add chemically produced sugar, typically high-fructose corn syrup, to foods and beverages, including crackers, flavored yogurt, tomato sauce and salad dressing. Low-fat foods are the worst offenders, as manufacturers use sugar to add flavor.
Most of the processed foods we eat add calories and sugar with little nutritional value. In contrast, fruit and unsweetened milk have vitamins and minerals. Milk also has protein and fruit has fiber, both of which keep you feeling full longer.
How the body metabolizes the sugar in fruit and milk differs from how it metabolizes the refined sugar added to processed foods. The body breaks down refined sugar rapidly, causing insulin and blood sugar levels to skyrocket. Because refined sugar is digested quickly, you don’t feel full after you’re done eating, no matter how many calories you consumed. The fiber in fruit slows down metabolism, as fruit in the gut expands to make you feel full.
Copy/pasting from a blog?
Sucrose, glucose and fructose are all found in fruit. Not just fructose.3 -
nakedraygun wrote: »Chemically, processed sugars are no different than those in natural occurring sources like those in fruit.
Believe it or not:
Natural sugars are found in fruit as fructose and in dairy products, such as milk and cheese, as lactose. Foods with natural sugar have an important role in the diet because they provide essential nutrients that keep the body healthy and help prevent disease.
Refined sugar comes from sugar cane or sugar beets, which are processed to extract the sugar. It is typically found as sucrose, which is the combination of glucose and fructose. We use white and brown sugars to sweeten cakes and cookies, coffee, cereal and even fruit. Food manufacturers add chemically produced sugar, typically high-fructose corn syrup, to foods and beverages, including crackers, flavored yogurt, tomato sauce and salad dressing. Low-fat foods are the worst offenders, as manufacturers use sugar to add flavor.
Most of the processed foods we eat add calories and sugar with little nutritional value. In contrast, fruit and unsweetened milk have vitamins and minerals. Milk also has protein and fruit has fiber, both of which keep you feeling full longer.
How the body metabolizes the sugar in fruit and milk differs from how it metabolizes the refined sugar added to processed foods. The body breaks down refined sugar rapidly, causing insulin and blood sugar levels to skyrocket. Because refined sugar is digested quickly, you don’t feel full after you’re done eating, no matter how many calories you consumed. The fiber in fruit slows down metabolism, as fruit in the gut expands to make you feel full.
This is incorrect.
Fruit contains (in varying amounts, depending on the fruit): fructose, glucose, and sucrose.
Sucrose is about 50% glucose and fructose (and of course we get it from plants, as you note). HFCS (usually the most demonized) contains about 55% fructose and 45% glucose.
So it's basically the same.
The bigger issue is what difference does it make? One possible one (a Lustig favorite) is that fructose is particularly bad because it's metabolized by the liver. But fructose is in fruit in its purest form, as well as being made of what makes up sucrose and HFCS.
The body breaks down the sugar in milk rapidly, so speed can't be the issue, and it breaks down the sugar in fruit depending on how much fiber it has. A low fiber fruit like a banana gets the sugar to you pretty rapidly (why it works okay as a pre/during workout fuel and is great after a workout), whereas berries would be less efficient. If I add some sugar to my rhubarb (say enough to make the overall dish have as much as an apple) or oatmeal, it would still have all its fiber and be broken down more slowly based on that.
Also, fat can slow down how fast your body breaks down sugar--I'd bet a banana gets broken down and the sugar to you much faster than, say, an oatmeal cookie, depending on the ingredients of the cookie (mine usually have more calories from butter than anything else).
Finally, you can't speak to what makes other people feel full -- satiety tends to be pretty individual. And some foods that have a high GI (like a banana, like a potato) often are more filling to many than you'd expect, whereas others find them not sating at all.
Anyway, none of this has anything to do with a need to detox.8 -
Again you're missing my distinction between added/refined sugars and natural sugars. I get sugar from fruit and dairy (fructose and lactose). I cut out refined sugars, and I feel "detoxified" because of it.
What does detoxified "feel" like?Refined/processed/added sugars are the number one enemy of the body's processes. If you don't believe me ask any bodybuilder or Registered Dietician what they are good for, or what the body can or can't do with them as a source of calories.
RD here. Don't say you didn't ask for this...but me, nor any other RD I have ever worked with, would agree with you. A sugar detox? I mean....you're being silly. Sugar - be it naturally occurring or refined - is not the devil and there is no "detox" to rid your body of it other than naturally occurring processes. Stop spreading woo please.Because they're crazy? I don't know. The ones I know who compete hire registered dieticians for their guidance, rather than consult some celebrity lifter who is selling magic supplements.
Eating gummy bears after a workout is a celebrity "magic supplement"? Wow...that's new. I think maybe you need some refined sugar in your life, because you're thought process has me a bit worried...
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hmm my question is aside from removing the fiber from the sugar beets(that grow in the ground like any other beets) and the same for sugar cane,how is it any different than eating fruits or veggies and your body breaking down the sugar in them? your body just doesnt have the fiber to digest the sugar slower. sugar beets can also be used for feed for cows and other livestock.so I guess you better stop eating meat if you do, because the animal that has eaten this has processed it into sugar and therefore you have your refined/processed sugar in your meat,I guess you also dont eat molasses,or maple syrup or honey either?
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Then why do so many of those bodybuilders pop gummy bears on their way home from the gym?
Because they're crazy? I don't know. The ones I know who compete hire registered dieticians for their guidance, rather than consult some celebrity lifter who is selling magic supplements.
I bolded the obvious.
Actually, it's because heavy lifting depletes the muscles of their glycogen stores. Taking in a fast digesting carb (simple sugar, in this case, dextrose) provides the body with the sugars necessary to quickly restore those glycogen stores and thus restore energy levels after a taxing workout.
It also provides an insulin boost which is anabolic, meaning it supports protein synthesis for muscle repair/growth.
Put simply, they do it because not only is it not bad for them but actually provides them with real benefits.
Granted, doing this isn't totally necessary and many bodybuilders (myself included) prefer to just not worry about it and let glycogen stores build back up over the next 24 hours.
However, it still goes to show that simple sugars can be beneficial for the body. It's certainly not a magic supplement and I've never seen a celebrity selling Haribo bears.
Also, sugars can be taken prior to and/or during a workout as a source of energy as well (highly common with endurance athletes).
To say that there is no beneficial use of sugar in the human body is a complete denial of scientific fact.12 -
I have also done the gummy bear thing or even pixy stixs after a long lifting session(no im not a bodybuilder) and I found that the next day I was less sore. so to me that was a benefit. I dont do that anymore just because gummy bears are my weakness2
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kaylajane11 wrote: »You refer to them as "BS crap-science detox programs," yet think your are "toxifying" yourself by eating sugar?
I can't even.
Refined/processed/added sugars are the number one enemy of the body's processes. If you don't believe me ask any bodybuilder or Registered Dietician what they are good for, or what the body can or can't do with them as a source of calories. If you really think the calories provided by a snickers bar is as good as a handful of raw almonds, you need to speak to a professional.
https://www.infinitelabs.com/almonds-for-weight-loss/1 -
I detoxify my body by drinking 1.5 to 2 gallons of water a day...water is a natural cleanser. my husband is also a bodybuilder and eats gummy worms when working out the glucose gets pulled straight into the muscles that's why he does it versus eating some oatmeal or a yam at the gym which takes longer to digest and he cant carry around white rice or potatoes in the gym so he pops them.I do figure competing and during off season use them versus using a pre-workout.3
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Carlos_421 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Then why do so many of those bodybuilders pop gummy bears on their way home from the gym?
Because they're crazy? I don't know. The ones I know who compete hire registered dieticians for their guidance, rather than consult some celebrity lifter who is selling magic supplements.
I bolded the obvious.
Actually, it's because heavy lifting depletes the muscles of their glycogen stores. Taking in a fast digesting carb (simple sugar, in this case, dextrose) provides the body with the sugars necessary to quickly restore those glycogen stores and thus restore energy levels after a taxing workout.
It also provides an insulin boost which is anabolic, meaning it supports protein synthesis for muscle repair/growth.
Put simply, they do it because not only is it not bad for them but actually provides them with real benefits.
Granted, doing this isn't totally necessary and many bodybuilders (myself included) prefer to just not worry about it and let glycogen stores build back up over the next 24 hours.
However, it still goes to show that simple sugars can be beneficial for the body. It's certainly not a magic supplement and I've never seen a celebrity selling Haribo bears.
Also, sugars can be taken prior to and/or during a workout as a source of energy as well (highly common with endurance athletes).
To say that there is no beneficial use of sugar in the human body is a complete denial of scientific fact.
Beat me to it. Its also why most whey shakes have dextrose and maltodextrin. Both very fast occuring sugars.
To take to one step further, its recommended to not eat fruits post workout (if the ultimate goal is glycogen replishment) as fructose is a slower digesting carb and is broken down in the liver.0 -
Well im not going to recomend her doing the master cleanse like im doing thats against mfp guide lines but those foods are sure a good way to start detoxing very very slowly but surely
Thers more diets you can llok up for detoxing and not all are hard
So exactly what "toxins" are they getting rid of that your liver and kidneys don't normally get rid of.3 -
Okay so you kno the black lines in your iris the ones that point toward your pupil well their cosd by toxins so they go away when you detox thats the main reson i atarted my detox im on day 4 and their already half gone thats just proof to me that detox's do work if you feel like it might help you be healthyer i say go for it as long as its safe0
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janejellyroll wrote: »
Ok what do you sugest than smarty pants?janejellyroll wrote: »Well im not going to recomend her doing the master cleanse like im doing thats against mfp guide lines but those foods are sure a good way to start detoxing very very slowly but surely
Thers more diets you can llok up for detoxing and not all are hard
No, they aren't. I'm not saying don't eat those foods (they're tasty and provide nutrients), but they aren't a way to detox.
I'm not sure why you feel the need to be rude, but I suggest nothing. We don't need to detox, anyone who tells you that something will detox you is either lying or misinformed.
Im sorry i didnt mean to be rude my bad0 -
Okay so you kno the black lines in your iris the ones that point toward your pupil well their cosd by toxins so they go away when you detox thats the main reson i atarted my detox im on day 4 and their already half gone thats just proof to me that detox's do work if you feel like it might help you be healthyer i say go for it as long as its safe
What are you talking about?4 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Okay so you kno the black lines in your iris the ones that point toward your pupil well their cosd by toxins so they go away when you detox thats the main reson i atarted my detox im on day 4 and their already half gone thats just proof to me that detox's do work if you feel like it might help you be healthyer i say go for it as long as its safe
What are you talking about?
There is a branch of alternative medicine called iridology. It claims that patterns, colors, and other characteristics of the iris can be examined to determine information about a patient's systemic health. Many iridologists claim you can tell if you need a detox, and if the detox worked, by examining your iris. I kitten you not.
You can also google "iridology" and "quack" or "scam" to read about proof it's nonsense, if you really need to.13 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Okay so you kno the black lines in your iris the ones that point toward your pupil well their cosd by toxins so they go away when you detox thats the main reson i atarted my detox im on day 4 and their already half gone thats just proof to me that detox's do work if you feel like it might help you be healthyer i say go for it as long as its safe
What are you talking about?
There is a branch of alternative medicine called iridology. It claims that patterns, colors, and other characteristics of the iris can be examined to determine information about a patient's systemic health. Many iridologists claim you can tell if you need a detox, and if the detox worked, by examining your iris. I kitten you not.
You can also google "iridology" and "quack" or "scam" to read about proof it's nonsense, if you really need to.
I learned something today.1 -
Okay so you kno the black lines in your iris the ones that point toward your pupil well their cosd by toxins so they go away when you detox thats the main reson i atarted my detox im on day 4 and their already half gone thats just proof to me that detox's do work if you feel like it might help you be healthyer i say go for it as long as its safe
Alright, I'm just going to send you here: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/iridology.html
After that, I'd like you to visit an optometrist and ask them to explain to you why this is absolute nonsense from a very anatomical and medical perspective.
What you are "seeing" in your eyes is called "confirmation bias".14 -
Okay so you kno the black lines in your iris the ones that point toward your pupil well their cosd by toxins so they go away when you detox thats the main reson i atarted my detox im on day 4 and their already half gone thats just proof to me that detox's do work if you feel like it might help you be healthyer i say go for it as long as its safe
This reminds me of the time that we went to a spa for my sister's birthday, and one of the treatments that came with the package was an ionic foot detox - where you soak your feet in a little water bath with electrodes submerged, and over the course of 20 minutes the water turns into a disgusting brown/orange shade. The spa then provides you with a color coded chart to tell you specifically what toxins are leaching from your body into the water, so that you know what your problem areas are and then want to purchase a long term package to keep this from ever happening again...
Hint - that's a scam, and so is this idea that your irises measure the toxins in your body.
Hint Hint - do not google ionic detox bath if you have an aversion to feet.
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edit: Repeat of several other posters ... carry on.1
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Carlos_421 wrote: »
Then why do so many of those bodybuilders pop gummy bears on their way home from the gym?
Are you a bodybuilder? Because this is the type of thing that can make a difference if you've reached the pinnacle of human muscular potential, but is pointless for everyone else.
Seriously, it's kind of amazing how many guys with 20% body fat who have never and will never reach the point of physique competitions think they need to do what bodybuilders do, including meal timing, supplementing, carb loading, and freakin' "gummy bears on their way home from the gym."
Until you're at <10% body fat, none of that matters.
Lift, eat, sleep, and -- ferrchrissakes -- don't cleanse.
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MissusMoon wrote: »Okay so you kno the black lines in your iris the ones that point toward your pupil well their cosd by toxins so they go away when you detox thats the main reson i atarted my detox im on day 4 and their already half gone thats just proof to me that detox's do work if you feel like it might help you be healthyer i say go for it as long as its safe
Alright, I'm just going to send you here: http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/iridology.html
After that, I'd like you to visit an optometrist and ask them to explain to you why this is absolute nonsense from a very anatomical and medical perspective.
What you are "seeing" in your eyes is called "confirmation bias".
Omg so much to read i think you guys won lol but if the black lines disapeard and it was magic and not the detox im happy anyway
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xmichaelyx wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Then why do so many of those bodybuilders pop gummy bears on their way home from the gym?
Are you a bodybuilder? Because this is the type of thing that can make a difference if you've reached the pinnacle of human muscular potential, but is pointless for everyone else.
Seriously, it's kind of amazing how many guys with 20% body fat who have never and will never reach the point of physique competitions think they need to do what bodybuilders do, including meal timing, supplementing, carb loading, and freakin' "gummy bears on their way home from the gym."
Until you're at <10% body fat, none of that matters.
Lift, eat, sleep, and -- ferrchrissakes -- don't cleanse.
Restoring glycogen levels through intake of dextrose is only for those with single digit body fat?
What about power lifters and strongmen who may not have great physiques but absolutely destroy a hardcore workout and prefer to restore glycogen quickly rather than wait 24 hours?
What about people who lift for size and strength gains but don't care much about abs?
Gummy bears only work for bodybuilders with abs?
And do you know me? Why would you assume that I'm a subpar athlete not worthy of the magic gummy bears?
ETA: I know you've never seen my abs because I don't pose shirtless.4 -
Okay so you kno the black lines in your iris the ones that point toward your pupil well their cosd by toxins so they go away when you detox thats the main reson i atarted my detox im on day 4 and their already half gone thats just proof to me that detox's do work if you feel like it might help you be healthyer i say go for it as long as its safe
What is your source for this information?
Edit: Never mind. Iridology . . . it's been a while since I've encountered this particular type of woo in the wild.5 -
Hey op my friend is doing a detox shortly she is buying the program from a good friend who she really trusts. This friendsalesperson looks really great. I will find out what the program is called for you. The great thing is its only 195 pounds a week. Shake for breakfast shake for lunch, and you eat your dinner.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Okay so you kno the black lines in your iris the ones that point toward your pupil well their cosd by toxins so they go away when you detox thats the main reson i atarted my detox im on day 4 and their already half gone thats just proof to me that detox's do work if you feel like it might help you be healthyer i say go for it as long as its safe
What are you talking about?
There is a branch of alternative medicine called iridology. It claims that patterns, colors, and other characteristics of the iris can be examined to determine information about a patient's systemic health. Many iridologists claim you can tell if you need a detox, and if the detox worked, by examining your iris. I kitten you not.
You can also google "iridology" and "quack" or "scam" to read about proof it's nonsense, if you really need to.
Hmm. Things you learn on MFP. ;-)1 -
Carlos_421 wrote: »xmichaelyx wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »
Then why do so many of those bodybuilders pop gummy bears on their way home from the gym?
Are you a bodybuilder? Because this is the type of thing that can make a difference if you've reached the pinnacle of human muscular potential, but is pointless for everyone else.
Seriously, it's kind of amazing how many guys with 20% body fat who have never and will never reach the point of physique competitions think they need to do what bodybuilders do, including meal timing, supplementing, carb loading, and freakin' "gummy bears on their way home from the gym."
Until you're at <10% body fat, none of that matters.
Lift, eat, sleep, and -- ferrchrissakes -- don't cleanse.
Restoring glycogen levels through intake of dextrose is only for those with single digit body fat?
What about power lifters and strongmen who may not have great physiques but absolutely destroy a hardcore workout and prefer to restore glycogen quickly rather than wait 24 hours?
What about people who lift for size and strength gains but don't care much about abs?
Gummy bears only work for bodybuilders with abs?
And do you know me? Why would you assume that I'm a subpar athlete not worthy of the magic gummy bears?
ETA: I know you've never seen my abs because I don't pose shirtless.
I would agree with carlos. It has nothing to do with bodyfat but rather how advanced you are. If you had addressed, calories, macros, and micros and looking to take it one step up, then meal timing and supplementation can make slight differences.0 -
Regardless of whether you buy into the Sugar is the Devil theory, you don't need to "detox" from sugar. It's not building up in the nooks and crannies of your digestive system. If you think sugar is bad for you, you can just stop eating it.
http://www.mynormalweight.com/blog/2013/03/25/how-sugar-metabolized/
You keep calling it just "sugar", and I'm making the distinction of "refined/added sugar". That's probably the source of your confusion, and why you aren't paying attention.
You don't seem to know what "refined sugar" is.0 -
kaylajane11 wrote: »The best way is to eat a diet high in fruits and vegetables lean proteins. ETC. All that processed food is bad for you but when you start to eat better you will feel so much b etter and many people will tell you their bodies sort of flushed themselves out. LOL. TMI but true.
This is one of those things I simply don't understand. I eat processed foods, refined sugar, fat, carbs, etc. and I feel fantastic. Am I supposed to feel terrible because I eat these things? If I "detox" these items from my system will it suddenly be like
Have you heard of the Nocebo effect? I strongly believe this is what we can see in action in these sorts of threads.2 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »hmm my question is aside from removing the fiber from the sugar beets(that grow in the ground like any other beets) and the same for sugar cane,how is it any different than eating fruits or veggies and your body breaking down the sugar in them? your body just doesnt have the fiber to digest the sugar slower. sugar beets can also be used for feed for cows and other livestock.so I guess you better stop eating meat if you do, because the animal that has eaten this has processed it into sugar and therefore you have your refined/processed sugar in your meat,I guess you also dont eat molasses,or maple syrup or honey either?
It isn't different, that's the funny thing.
Here's the whole process of how "refined sugar" is made out of beet or cane:
Beet:- Slice the beet
- Seep it in hot water
- reduce the water by boiling
- let it dry
- Put it in a centrifuge to get the molasses off
- wash off the remaining brown color with water
Cane:- Shred the sugar cane
- Press it
- proceed with the same drying steps as for beets
That's literally all. One is dried sugar beet tea, the other is dried sugar cane juice.0
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