Marilyn Monroe-my body ideal
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I think her waist was 22 inches at her smallest. I'm sure it got bigger proportionally as she gained weight. That's what happens to me. I keep the same difference in measurements (12 inches), but everything gets equally bigger or smaller.22 inch waist is tiny! Don't know how it would've stayed 22-23 inches when she weighed 140lbs... I'm 126lb with 35-27-35 measurements! Not saying she would be exactly the same!
Her figure is admirable but unattainable for most. I'm lucky to have an hourglass but would love a smaller waist!0 -
I'm my ideal not some long dead tragic movie star or some model on the victoria secret runway. I'm ideal because the only body I'll ever have is my own. Love it or hate it thats all I got. Weight loss may redefine, but even surgical intervention wont change it that much. Others are attracted to my body because I'm attracted to my body.
this. I agree. 0 -
:laugh: yes I am very insecure and jealous of you.
I also think some people are insecure and look for reasons to insult others, even if they have to ignore certain facts to do it. I'm assuming that was the actual intent behind the post to which I was responding.
My waist is 12 inches smaller than my bust and hips, which are the same size. That is the definition of an extreme hourglass (more than a 10-inch difference). It has nothing whatsoever to do with weight or size.Not to offend, but when I think "extreme hourglass" your shape is not what I think of. Not saying your are overweight or anything along those lines, but it's just not what image my mind conjures.
A 200-pound woman could be an extreme hourglass by body type, as can a 90-pound woman.
QFT... A lot of people can't even envision an extreme hourglass unless her measurements are under (or above) an imaginary line. I think it says something about the way some people "see" proportion.
Perhaps people comment the things they do because it is what they actually think. You do not look like an "Extreme hourglass" to me. Sorry. It's my opinion and I don't see why it's seen as an insult? When I think of an hourglass, I think of some one with a slim waist, nice chest and hips and I didn't see that really by looking at your pictures. So if I'm wrong in your opinion so be it. You are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine. No need to get fussy.
If you have to start something with "not to offend, but...." then you know it's meant to be an insult and are probably better off keeping your "opinion" to yourself.
It would be like me saying "sorry to offend, but your hair's a little over-processed and ages you." Saying that wouldn't be nice, and I'm sure you would feel insulted. Even if it is my opinion, I'd keep it to myself.
I stand by my opinion. Have a nice day. :flowerforyou:
Oh, look! Another bitter woman on MFP with jealousy issues and a bad attitude. Lovely. :flowerforyou:0 -
Regardless of what size she was, how tragic her life was, or how unattainable her curves may be for most...I think we can all agree that she was stunningly beautiful!
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Are you ladies still arguing about this??0
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Are you ladies still arguing about this??
Yes just tell us we are all beautiful and look exactly like Marilyn then we will all be reassured and adequately complimented and can go back to our regularly scheduled life.0 -
Are you ladies still arguing about this??
Yes just tell us we are all beautiful and look exactly like Marilyn then we will all be reassured and adequately complimented and can go back to our regularly scheduled life.
Done.0 -
Oh, look! Another bitter woman on MFP with jealousy issues and a bad attitude. Lovely.
I never did say she was jealous of me. That's the interesting part of this exchange, I think.0 -
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:laugh: yes I am very insecure and jealous of you.
I also think some people are insecure and look for reasons to insult others, even if they have to ignore certain facts to do it. I'm assuming that was the actual intent behind the post to which I was responding.
My waist is 12 inches smaller than my bust and hips, which are the same size. That is the definition of an extreme hourglass (more than a 10-inch difference). It has nothing whatsoever to do with weight or size.Not to offend, but when I think "extreme hourglass" your shape is not what I think of. Not saying your are overweight or anything along those lines, but it's just not what image my mind conjures.
A 200-pound woman could be an extreme hourglass by body type, as can a 90-pound woman.
QFT... A lot of people can't even envision an extreme hourglass unless her measurements are under (or above) an imaginary line. I think it says something about the way some people "see" proportion.
Perhaps people comment the things they do because it is what they actually think. You do not look like an "Extreme hourglass" to me. Sorry. It's my opinion and I don't see why it's seen as an insult? When I think of an hourglass, I think of some one with a slim waist, nice chest and hips and I didn't see that really by looking at your pictures. So if I'm wrong in your opinion so be it. You are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine. No need to get fussy.
If you have to start something with "not to offend, but...." then you know it's meant to be an insult and are probably better off keeping your "opinion" to yourself.
It would be like me saying "sorry to offend, but your hair's a little over-processed and ages you." Saying that wouldn't be nice, and I'm sure you would feel insulted. Even if it is my opinion, I'd keep it to myself.
I stand by my opinion. Have a nice day. :flowerforyou:
Oh, look! Another bitter woman on MFP with jealousy issues and a bad attitude. Lovely. :flowerforyou:0 -
The pinups of the 40s and 50s are my inspiration and my personal body ideal. I love Marilyn. My natural body type is an hourglass so pinups provide a good goal for me!0
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Lmao.
I also had a fat girl in my class who always kept talking about her hourglass figure, her Barbie looks and her cheerleader body type. And that men are crazy in love with her and women are crazy jealous.
Everyone was like :huh: She had soft shapeless jellish body 200 pounds at least.0 -
Perfect, IMHO!0
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I buy midrise. They're high up enough so the crack doesn't show, but they sit at the waist, so you don't have to worry about fitting waist and hips.I wish they made clothes in a variety of "cuts" - like curvy (aka hourglass) and for more boyish figures. I find everything seems to be somewhere in between - which is aggravating! (Don't get me onto trying to get jeans to fit round the waist AND hips!) I did see a sports top once available in a "curvy" and "athletic" cut, but it was not in my size:huh:
Don't some brands offer a "curvy" jean, though, that's for the pear/hourglass shape? I haven't tried any.
Gap has a curvy jean. It does help with the gap but Gap now adds too much stretch so at the end of the day they end up too big all over. Levi's has something too. I believe it takes your measurements and finds you the right fit. Obviously I have not tried this, yet.0 -
I buy midrise. They're high up enough so the crack doesn't show, but they sit at the waist, so you don't have to worry about fitting waist and hips.I wish they made clothes in a variety of "cuts" - like curvy (aka hourglass) and for more boyish figures. I find everything seems to be somewhere in between - which is aggravating! (Don't get me onto trying to get jeans to fit round the waist AND hips!) I did see a sports top once available in a "curvy" and "athletic" cut, but it was not in my size:huh:
Don't some brands offer a "curvy" jean, though, that's for the pear/hourglass shape? I haven't tried any.
Gap has a curvy jean. It does help with the gap but Gap now adds too much stretch so at the end of the day they end up too big all over. Levi's has something too. I believe it takes your measurements and finds you the right fit. Obviously I have not tried this, yet.
lucky brand has a curvier cut to some of their jeans, and the loft carries a curvy girl jean.0 -
She's several months pregnant in that photo.
But, yes, she was beautiful. And would have been a size 2-4 in today's sizes. Not a 12 or 14 or 16 that people claim.
Well she was actually a size 6-8 in today's sizes...She was 140 lbs and 5'5.5"
that could easily be a size 4.0 -
I don't see big difference between size 2 and 10 though! Lol
There's not. That's the point. They were all taken the same day. Sizing is crazy. You can't say, "Marilyn was a size 6" or 2, or 12, or anything, because there's no set standard anymore.0 -
I'm more of a Betty Page fan myself, but they were all beautiful!0
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I have pretty good luck with Victoria's Secret and Old Navy, though I haven't bought a pair of jeans in a while. I have everything from size 4-12 right now and don't need new ones. I don't wear them much anymore. Too hot here.
I buy midrise. They're high up enough so the crack doesn't show, but they sit at the waist, so you don't have to worry about fitting waist and hips.I wish they made clothes in a variety of "cuts" - like curvy (aka hourglass) and for more boyish figures. I find everything seems to be somewhere in between - which is aggravating! (Don't get me onto trying to get jeans to fit round the waist AND hips!) I did see a sports top once available in a "curvy" and "athletic" cut, but it was not in my size:huh:
Don't some brands offer a "curvy" jean, though, that's for the pear/hourglass shape? I haven't tried any.
Gap has a curvy jean. It does help with the gap but Gap now adds too much stretch so at the end of the day they end up too big all over. Levi's has something too. I believe it takes your measurements and finds you the right fit. Obviously I have not tried this, yet.0 -
Looove Marilyn! A true real woman!
as opposed to all those fake women? note: sarcasm0 -
I'm my ideal not some long dead tragic movie star or some model on the victoria secret runway. I'm ideal because the only body I'll ever have is my own. Love it or hate it thats all I got. Weight loss may redefine, but even surgical intervention wont change it that much. Others are attracted to my body because I'm attracted to my body.
I'm with you. While I think Marilyn Monroe was gorgeous, no doubt, I love my body.0 -
Blah, this bickering is disgusting.
At any rate, of all the many many MM photos ever taken, this one is still my favorite . . . and the one in which I think she looks the best and leanest:
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I think her waist was 22 inches at her smallest. I'm sure it got bigger proportionally as she gained weight. That's what happens to me. I keep the same difference in measurements (12 inches), but everything gets equally bigger or smaller.22 inch waist is tiny! Don't know how it would've stayed 22-23 inches when she weighed 140lbs... I'm 126lb with 35-27-35 measurements! Not saying she would be exactly the same!
Her figure is admirable but unattainable for most. I'm lucky to have an hourglass but would love a smaller waist!
Plus, girdles were very popular then... and her garments might have been made with a 22-23 inch waist, but she might have been a touch bigger when nekkid.
I had a 23-24 inch waist in college, and managed to zip up the Scarlett O'Hara costume I made with a 22" waist. It was a bit painful, but wearable. The bodice was so tight, I had a muffin-bottom instead of a muffin top. The hoop skirt hid it. :laugh:0 -
Yes, she had hips and thighs. As do I. I have her exact proportions (extreme hourglass). At her smallest, she was most definitely smaller than a modern size 6-8. At her highest she was probably at most a 6.Marilyn Monroe's Measurements (per her dress-maker):
Height: 5 feet, 5½ inches
Weight: 118-140 pounds
Bust: 35-37 inches
Waist: 22-23 inches
Hips: 35-36 inches
Bra size: 36D
At her skinniest she was 118.0 lbs, heaviest, 140.0 lbs...she did, in fact, have a tiny waist, but she also had hips and thighs...something today's runway models definitely lack.
And anybody that looks at her and says she had a super low body fat % must be nuts...or needs glasses.
Like I said, my 40-28-40 5'3" frame is a size 8 at 150 pounds and definitely not low body fat. Who said she had low body fat? She was still super tiny.
You CAN have curves and be very small.
I don't deny that...I'm just saying her figure to me is more attractive than today's runway models.
I also think that people are vehemently against the idea that she may have been a larger size (size 6 is not large by any means)...I also find it interesting that the very idea of her being a size 12-16 (though this size was FOR SURE smaller than today's size 12-16) actually seems to cause an uproar because people have an emotional reaction to a size 12...even a size 8-it seems to almost offend some people...I find that fascinating.
All that being said, her figure may be unattainable due to her extreme hourglass figure, but a modified version of it is my goal figure.
It has nothing to do with the emotional reaction of a size 12 and more with the fact it is just plain WRONG. She ranged anywhere between a modern days 2 to an 8. With the way sizing varies she probably could have fit into some 0s. I think RML_16 sums it up well. The amount of misinformation about her and misquotes is staggering in the body positivity camp. If you have to make stuff up to make her fit your ideal... why not just choose someone else? Christina Hendricks?
Umm...didn't make anything up. Size 6.0 -
Her curves were perfection, imo. But still unattainable for most women. She was dramatically hour glass. Most women, no matter what they do, will not have her measurements. Would she be allowed on today's runways? Probably not. But she was a healthy weight and had an exceptionally admirable figure, even today. The whole "she wore a 16" statement I keep hearing irritates me. For one, sizes ran a LOT smaller back then (hello modern vanity sizing). And just look at her measurements. Now way she would be a today's size 16. Most of her clothes had to be custom because of her unusual measurements.
All that being said, she's one of the most beautiful women ever.
Well a size 16 back then would be a size 6-8 in today's sizes (still not "runway" size as today most runway models are size 0-2)
She did have a very dramatic hourglass...My measurements aren't far off from hers except for my bust...
There was an article about her clothes and not one piece was over a size 8. That is old school sizing. She never was a 16 in that time nor this one. She was always small.0 -
Wow...this thread took off in the 2 hours since I was on here.
I'm allowed to have a goal figure/weight of whomever and whatever I choose.
I do not think I will attain her exact figure...but I do think that I can work on my curves a little more.
LoL-it's kinda funny how worked up everyone gets about a simple post...0 -
Umm...didn't make anything up. Size 6.
We don't mean you specifically. Just that this is really common in general and you perpetuated a lot of the myth in your post. I'm sue you wre just repeating what you've seen on FB, etc., but most of it is just not accurate.
ESPECIALLY that white bathing suit photo people throw around. Of course she was a bit bigger. She was several months pregnant.0 -
So my wife watches real housewives of Orange County...All the fighting and bickering over the littlest insignificant things. All I can think is "no way this show is real, it has to all be scripted just to get content for the show."
Then I read this thread and think, "Ya know, maybe it's all real".0 -
Yes, she had hips and thighs. As do I. I have her exact proportions (extreme hourglass). At her smallest, she was most definitely smaller than a modern size 6-8. At her highest she was probably at most a 6.Marilyn Monroe's Measurements (per her dress-maker):
Height: 5 feet, 5½ inches
Weight: 118-140 pounds
Bust: 35-37 inches
Waist: 22-23 inches
Hips: 35-36 inches
Bra size: 36D
At her skinniest she was 118.0 lbs, heaviest, 140.0 lbs...she did, in fact, have a tiny waist, but she also had hips and thighs...something today's runway models definitely lack.
And anybody that looks at her and says she had a super low body fat % must be nuts...or needs glasses.
Like I said, my 40-28-40 5'3" frame is a size 8 at 150 pounds and definitely not low body fat. Who said she had low body fat? She was still super tiny.
You CAN have curves and be very small.
I don't deny that...I'm just saying her figure to me is more attractive than today's runway models.
I also think that people are vehemently against the idea that she may have been a larger size (size 6 is not large by any means)...I also find it interesting that the very idea of her being a size 12-16 (though this size was FOR SURE smaller than today's size 12-16) actually seems to cause an uproar because people have an emotional reaction to a size 12...even a size 8-it seems to almost offend some people...I find that fascinating.
All that being said, her figure may be unattainable due to her extreme hourglass figure, but a modified version of it is my goal figure.
It has nothing to do with the emotional reaction of a size 12 and more with the fact it is just plain WRONG. She ranged anywhere between a modern days 2 to an 8. With the way sizing varies she probably could have fit into some 0s. I think RML_16 sums it up well. The amount of misinformation about her and misquotes is staggering in the body positivity camp. If you have to make stuff up to make her fit your ideal... why not just choose someone else? Christina Hendricks?
Umm...didn't make anything up. Size 6.
Umm... Ok?0 -
So my wife watches real housewives of Orange County...All the fighting and bickering over the littlest insignificant things. All I can think is "no way this show is real, it has to all be scripted just to get content for the show."
Then I read this thread and think, "Ya know, maybe it's all real".
HAHAHA0 -
I buy midrise. They're high up enough so the crack doesn't show, but they sit at the waist, so you don't have to worry about fitting waist and hips.I wish they made clothes in a variety of "cuts" - like curvy (aka hourglass) and for more boyish figures. I find everything seems to be somewhere in between - which is aggravating! (Don't get me onto trying to get jeans to fit round the waist AND hips!) I did see a sports top once available in a "curvy" and "athletic" cut, but it was not in my size:huh:
Don't some brands offer a "curvy" jean, though, that's for the pear/hourglass shape? I haven't tried any.
Gap has a curvy jean. It does help with the gap but Gap now adds too much stretch so at the end of the day they end up too big all over. Levi's has something too. I believe it takes your measurements and finds you the right fit. Obviously I have not tried this, yet.
lucky brand has a curvier cut to some of their jeans, and the loft carries a curvy girl jean.
Aero has them too. I ordered them because I was fat thinking that's why they made them :laugh: However, they have WAY too much stretch to them too, so by the end of the day, they sag everywhere.0
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