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Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Added sugar? Hmm... today about 10 grams I guess, just a few gummy bears, but I don't log often anymore cause I don't need to. Other days I have more, especially when I baked.
That's why people say if you're just paying attention to get your nutrition without worrying about sugar, you're basically bound to get into a normal amount.0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Mine is open, have a look.
Thank you, I went back to Sunday and i gotta say I'm impressed! You eat a lot healthier than me
I typically eat a little less during the week to have flexibility on the weekends...1 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
And you are the judge of what exactly? I really don't care what overweight people think. That said, I'll open it. I don't eat much because my cravings aren't sugar. I log when I'm dieting down when I think it will help. Sometimes I don't.
I apologise i came across as judgy, i was asking out of curiosity. And what's with the "you dont care what overweight people think" , care to clarify?0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Added sugar? Hmm... today about 10 grams I guess, just a few gummy bears, but I don't log often anymore cause I don't need to. Other days I have more, especially when I baked.
That's why people say if you're just paying attention to get your nutrition without worrying about sugar, you're basically bound to get into a normal amount.
Fair enough
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Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
And you are the judge of what exactly? I really don't care what overweight people think. That said, I'll open it. I don't eat much because my cravings aren't sugar. I log when I'm dieting down when I think it will help. Sometimes I don't.
I apologise i came across as judgy, i was asking out of curiosity. And what's with the "you dont care what overweight people think" , care to clarify?
I am rarely anything but crystal clear. You work your *kitten* off for several years while reading everything you can and you come to a few realizations.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
And you are the judge of what exactly? I really don't care what overweight people think. That said, I'll open it. I don't eat much because my cravings aren't sugar. I log when I'm dieting down when I think it will help. Sometimes I don't.
I apologise i came across as judgy, i was asking out of curiosity. And what's with the "you dont care what overweight people think" , care to clarify?
I am rarely anything but crystal clear. You work your *kitten* off for several years while reading everything you can and you come to a few realizations.
Ok let me clarify, your statement across as you think i'm overweight so my opinion means nothing.. You were anything but crystal clear..0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
And you are the judge of what exactly? I really don't care what overweight people think. That said, I'll open it. I don't eat much because my cravings aren't sugar. I log when I'm dieting down when I think it will help. Sometimes I don't.
I apologise i came across as judgy, i was asking out of curiosity. And what's with the "you dont care what overweight people think" , care to clarify?
I am rarely anything but crystal clear. You work your *kitten* off for several years while reading everything you can and you come to a few realizations.
Ok let me clarify, your statement across as you think i'm overweight so my opinion means nothing.. You were anything but crystal clear..
Sounds like I was clear. It's possible I was wrong but I certainly was clear0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
And you are the judge of what exactly? I really don't care what overweight people think. That said, I'll open it. I don't eat much because my cravings aren't sugar. I log when I'm dieting down when I think it will help. Sometimes I don't.
I apologise i came across as judgy, i was asking out of curiosity. And what's with the "you dont care what overweight people think" , care to clarify?
I am rarely anything but crystal clear. You work your *kitten* off for several years while reading everything you can and you come to a few realizations.
Ok let me clarify, your statement across as you think i'm overweight so my opinion means nothing.. You were anything but crystal clear..
Sounds like I was clear
Wow nice, thanks! Hopefully one day i'll be as perfect as you 1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Curious what hypothesis you were trying to prove with looking at people's diaries. I don't mind, I have mine open and have no qualms about it, but when you say that you think I eat a moderate amount of sugar - were you expecting it to be higher or lower than that? Also, I hope it is not a surprise that I eat a moderate amount of sugar, since I am an advocate for moderation...1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
And you are the judge of what exactly? I really don't care what overweight people think. That said, I'll open it. I don't eat much because my cravings aren't sugar. I log when I'm dieting down when I think it will help. Sometimes I don't.
I apologise i came across as judgy, i was asking out of curiosity. And what's with the "you dont care what overweight people think" , care to clarify?
I am rarely anything but crystal clear. You work your *kitten* off for several years while reading everything you can and you come to a few realizations.
Ok let me clarify, your statement across as you think i'm overweight so my opinion means nothing.. You were anything but crystal clear..
Sounds like I was clear
Why nice, thanks! Hopefully one day i'll be as perfect as you
I'm not the one asking to see your diary0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Curious what hypothesis you were trying to prove with looking at people's diaries. I don't mind, I have mine open and have no qualms about it, but when you say that you think I eat a moderate amount of sugar - were you expecting it to be higher or lower than that? Also, I hope it is not a surprise that I eat a moderate amount of sugar, since I am an advocate for moderation...
I wasn't sure what to expect, maybe huge amounts of sugar consumption.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
And you are the judge of what exactly? I really don't care what overweight people think. That said, I'll open it. I don't eat much because my cravings aren't sugar. I log when I'm dieting down when I think it will help. Sometimes I don't.
I apologise i came across as judgy, i was asking out of curiosity. And what's with the "you dont care what overweight people think" , care to clarify?
I am rarely anything but crystal clear. You work your *kitten* off for several years while reading everything you can and you come to a few realizations.
Ok let me clarify, your statement across as you think i'm overweight so my opinion means nothing.. You were anything but crystal clear..
Sounds like I was clear
Why nice, thanks! Hopefully one day i'll be as perfect as you
I'm not the one asking to see your diary
We could go back and forth Alllll day slinging backdoor insults, but do you really have the time, energy or inclination to do this?? I don't :yawn:0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Curious what hypothesis you were trying to prove with looking at people's diaries. I don't mind, I have mine open and have no qualms about it, but when you say that you think I eat a moderate amount of sugar - were you expecting it to be higher or lower than that? Also, I hope it is not a surprise that I eat a moderate amount of sugar, since I am an advocate for moderation...
I wasn't sure what to expect, maybe huge amounts of sugar consumption.
You mean like eat Twinkies, day in and day out? My diary is open too!1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Curious what hypothesis you were trying to prove with looking at people's diaries. I don't mind, I have mine open and have no qualms about it, but when you say that you think I eat a moderate amount of sugar - were you expecting it to be higher or lower than that? Also, I hope it is not a surprise that I eat a moderate amount of sugar, since I am an advocate for moderation...
I wasn't sure what to expect, maybe huge amounts of sugar consumption.
I think in general the sugar moderators don't necessarily go out of their way to eat sugar. We just don't worry about it. Sometimes even use it to boost performance...0 -
Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
And you are the judge of what exactly? I really don't care what overweight people think. That said, I'll open it. I don't eat much because my cravings aren't sugar. I log when I'm dieting down when I think it will help. Sometimes I don't.
I apologise i came across as judgy, i was asking out of curiosity. And what's with the "you dont care what overweight people think" , care to clarify?
I am rarely anything but crystal clear. You work your *kitten* off for several years while reading everything you can and you come to a few realizations.
Ok let me clarify, your statement across as you think i'm overweight so my opinion means nothing.. You were anything but crystal clear..
Sounds like I was clear
Why nice, thanks! Hopefully one day i'll be as perfect as you
I'm not the one asking to see your diary
We could go back and forth Alllll day slinging backdoor insults, but do you really have the time, energy or inclination to do this?? I don't :yawn:
No. I answered your silly question and even opened my diary. Be my guest. I was even crystal clear. Best of luck0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Curious what hypothesis you were trying to prove with looking at people's diaries. I don't mind, I have mine open and have no qualms about it, but when you say that you think I eat a moderate amount of sugar - were you expecting it to be higher or lower than that? Also, I hope it is not a surprise that I eat a moderate amount of sugar, since I am an advocate for moderation...
I wasn't sure what to expect, maybe huge amounts of sugar consumption.
You mean like eat Twinkies, day in and day out? My diary is open too!
Yeah maybe lol I guess when i read about people not really caring about sugar consumption, then i really do expect them not to care.1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Curious what hypothesis you were trying to prove with looking at people's diaries. I don't mind, I have mine open and have no qualms about it, but when you say that you think I eat a moderate amount of sugar - were you expecting it to be higher or lower than that? Also, I hope it is not a surprise that I eat a moderate amount of sugar, since I am an advocate for moderation...
I wasn't sure what to expect, maybe huge amounts of sugar consumption.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that someone would think that, since everyone assumes that those saying there is nothing wrong with eating sugar in moderation are eating nothing but Ding Dongs and Twinkies all day long... but that really wouldn't be moderation, would it?3 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
My sugar numbers are pretty similar to yours, even though I pay literally zero attention to limiting sugar. Mostly comes from soft drinks, ice cream, yogurt, chocolate, and fruit. Interestingly, I do eat a fair amount of savory processed foods, but they aren't high in sugar (things like frozen meals, fast food, chips, etc.) My carbs are generally in the 150-200 range.
To be clear, I'm not "pro-sugar" in that I think everyone should eat lots of sugar. I am "pro-moderation" in that I believe eating too much of everything is what makes people overweight, diabetic, and generally unhealthy. And I don't believe sugar is the culprit the industry is currently trying to paint it as.
ETA: I didn't open my diary because my logging has been *kitten* for the last couple of weeks! But I manage to have ice cream or chocolate almost every day and avg @ 50 grams of total sugar daily. the soft drink days are a little higher!0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Curious what hypothesis you were trying to prove with looking at people's diaries. I don't mind, I have mine open and have no qualms about it, but when you say that you think I eat a moderate amount of sugar - were you expecting it to be higher or lower than that? Also, I hope it is not a surprise that I eat a moderate amount of sugar, since I am an advocate for moderation...
I wasn't sure what to expect, maybe huge amounts of sugar consumption.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised that someone would think that, since everyone assumes that those saying there is nothing wrong with eating sugar in moderation are eating nothing but Ding Dongs and Twinkies all day long... but that really wouldn't be moderation, would it?
Well, your diary proved me wrong 0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Yeah. I mean I understand that, I was just thinking if one is doing more intense workouts they would automatically be able to fit more sugar in their diet as it is due to increased energy expenditure.ForecasterJason wrote: »
If you're active, then by default you'd be expending more energy than the typical person. So 10% of 2000 calories is about 13 tsp of sugar, but more like 20 tsp for 3000 calories. I don't see why the percentage should be thrown out the window for those expending more energy, as keeping to a percentage of total calories will automatically raise the upper limit.sunnybeaches105 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »I don't get the issue with fruit juices anyway outside of the "drinking calories" argument. The sugar in a glass of orange juice is the same sugar that is in the two oranges it was made from. Why would eating 2 oranges be better than drinking them if in a context of a balanced diet you are getting plenty of fiber anyway?
No it isn't the same. Fruit provides sugar and fiber at the same time. If the fiber is in your colon, it doesn't help with the juice hitting the stomach.
Why do you think it's important to get them at the same time?
The fiber makes a gummy mess in your stomach and will drag a good part of the sugar with it into the intestines. That slows the rate of absorption down and gives the liver more time to deal with the fructose. Some of the fructose will even be drug into the large intestine where bacteria will eat it. Kids also enjoy the farts caused by that.
The liver is pretty amazing and pretty fast, but overloading it may be a cause of metabolic issues. At least it has been shown that metabolic disease symptoms can be triggered in as little as two weeks of sweeten beverage consumption. So probably anything that slows the process down is good. Fiber is like a mechanical diet aid.
And you keep ignoring dosage and context.
You would have to drink juice by the gallon to "overload the liver".
Not to mention the fact that fiber is not needed to "drag the sugar into the intestines" since sugar isn't absorbed through the stomach in the first place. It, like all carbohydrates, are absorbed through the intestines.
Gallon? Maybe if it is distilled so only water is left. Seems like you are the one ignoring dosage. No clue what you mean by context. http://www.sugarscience.org/sugar-sweetened-beverages/#.V4cXDI9OKUk
You might want to start looking at real sources, not alarmist websites. It takes a lot more than a glass of juice to overload the liver.Speed matters.
Maybe if you are diabetic. For others, it really doesn't.
Context.
You context doesn't mean anything. There are now ample studies with sweeten beverages that show modest consumption of them causes metabolic disease symptoms in even a two week period. A theory is too much fructose in the liver causes it to be converted to LDL which leads to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. It seems that too much isn't much at all if a 12 oz can of soda a day is too much. It is much less of an issue with the glucose because the liver can convert most surplus glucose into glycogen and even store it.
Here is another article on heart disease and sweeten beverages.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/03/health/soda-heart-failure-study/index.html
You know an article is super scientific if it starts with the words "Guys, listen up:".
Just figured it was something you could digest. You don't seem very interested detailed facts.
Seriously pushing for wanton consumption of sugar isn't even something that Coke or Pepsi do anymore. The handwriting is on the wall and more studies are zeroing in on the issues all the time.
saying it is OK to consume sugar moderately along with a diet that hits micros and macros does not equal pushing wanton sugar consumption.
Drinking juice by the gallon isn't consuming sugar moderately.
Who is advocating drinking a gallon of juice, for either adults or children?
stevencloser claimed 'You would have to drink juice by the gallon to "overload the liver".'
One of the random statements not backed up by anything. There are ample studies that show even 12 oz of soda a day has adverse impact on the liver in as little as two weeks. There isn't much difference between juice or soda when it comes to sugar.
I really don't see a lot of problems with eating whole fruit. Takes a lot of eating to get the same sugar that is one glass of juice. Natural limit.
You really think saying, "you would have to drink juice by the gallon" means advocating drinking juice by the gallon?
I can't decide if people just are so caught up in preparing for their next counter statement that they just don't bother to try to understand what another poster is saying, or if they willfully misrepresent a position, or if they truly believe that is what the poster meant when he said "you would have to drink juice by the gallon".
No that isn't it. The root of this is many don't realize how little sugar is really too much sugar. While safe levels are still being determined, the WHO recommends no more than 6 teaspoons (~25 grams) of added sugar or sugar from beverages a day. On can 12 oz can of soda can contain 11 teaspoons of sugar and some juices are even higher than that. 4 oz of juice max is moderation.
http://who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2015/sugar-guideline/en/
In the meantime there is a camp of people that are always posting, you can't claim anything toxic about sugar because no dosage for toxicity has been determined or other such nonsense. In the meantime we know now that the high sugar consumption is wreaking havoc on populations around the world. The problem with toxic side effects is they will very widely for different people. There will never be numbers that are universally correct for everyone. So it comes down to caution or no caution. That is why such a statement is detrimental as it is throwing out any reasonable caution or concern.
They recognize this because too much sugar equals too many calories without adequate nutrition. For those of us who are active and use sugar as fuel or a moderate treat it's not an issue. I frankly get endless entertainment from overweight and sedentary people telling me how my diet is going to hurt me. My diet isn't created for you or them. It's created for an active individual and that is exactly the type of individual WHO is not addressing with this type of health information. Best of luck to you. I hope you can get it all dialed in. The people you're arguing with already have done so for quite a while.
Did you not read what he said about using additional sugar for fuel for workouts/training?
The point is that as a percentage of one's diet sugar can go up.
You said there would be no math
No math. Just logic. I hope.
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Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
That's hilarious coming from someone with a private profile and closed diary....
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Christine_72 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Curious what hypothesis you were trying to prove with looking at people's diaries. I don't mind, I have mine open and have no qualms about it, but when you say that you think I eat a moderate amount of sugar - were you expecting it to be higher or lower than that? Also, I hope it is not a surprise that I eat a moderate amount of sugar, since I am an advocate for moderation...
I wasn't sure what to expect, maybe huge amounts of sugar consumption.
You mean like eat Twinkies, day in and day out? My diary is open too!
Yeah maybe lol I guess when i read about people not really caring about sugar consumption, then i really do expect them not to care.
Glad to be the one to enlighten you. I said this earlier in the thread, I'm really not sure why people interpret things the way that they do... Saying that people don't need to be concerned about added sugar in the context of a varied diet when they have no medical reason to restrict it is not the same as saying, "I don't care about limits, I'm an adult, I can eat what I want, bring on the pixie sticks and mountain dew!!!"1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
That's hilarious coming from someone with a private profile and closed diary....
My profile and diary has always been public.0 -
What on earth is going on in this thread.sunnybeaches105 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
And you are the judge of what exactly? I really don't care what overweight people think. That said, I'll open it. I don't eat much because my cravings aren't sugar. I log when I'm dieting down when I think it will help. Sometimes I don't.
??? Christine's not overweight???Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
That's hilarious coming from someone with a private profile and closed diary....
??? Her profile and diary are open to me.Christine_72 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
Curious what hypothesis you were trying to prove with looking at people's diaries. I don't mind, I have mine open and have no qualms about it, but when you say that you think I eat a moderate amount of sugar - were you expecting it to be higher or lower than that? Also, I hope it is not a surprise that I eat a moderate amount of sugar, since I am an advocate for moderation...
I wasn't sure what to expect, maybe huge amounts of sugar consumption.
You mean like eat Twinkies, day in and day out? My diary is open too!
Yeah maybe lol I guess when i read about people not really caring about sugar consumption, then i really do expect them not to care.
????? WinoGelato in particular has described her sugar consumption in various threads as being an Oreo (just one!) or a serving of gelato or whatnot. And several of us in the moderation camp talk frequently about the importance of a balanced diet, how we go about getting our nutrition in first and enjoying treats with leftover calories... Which means we won't consume much sugar. I'd share my diary, but I haven't logged in weeks out of laziness. My weight's been slowly dropping anyway, so I figure I'm good. I get between 35 and 70g of sugar total unless I intentionally have a big dessert for a special meal.
What the kitten is with all the weird assumptions??? It's not Friday yet....!6 -
Christine_72 wrote: »I just tried looking at 6 diaries (i gave up after that) of the pro sugar supporters on this thread, either they are all closed or they dont log at all... Winogelatos was the only one that was open, and she seems to eat a moderate amount of sugar.
To all of those with closed diaries, how much sugar do you get on average everyday? For full disclosure, I get between 35g and up to 80g max.
I don't log, but I've been having a serving of ice cream about 2-3 times a week and no other major sources of added sugar from my regular diet. I occasionally get a sandwich that has mango chutney and stuff like that. Eat 1-2 servings of fruit most days and lots of vegetables. However, I've been experimenting with different endurance sports products (gels and the like) so when I consume them that adds something. Looking back at when I logged it would range between 20 and 50 total sugar most days, but I wasn't experimenting with the gels then.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Yeah. I mean I understand that, I was just thinking if one is doing more intense workouts they would automatically be able to fit more sugar in their diet as it is due to increased energy expenditure.ForecasterJason wrote: »
If you're active, then by default you'd be expending more energy than the typical person. So 10% of 2000 calories is about 13 tsp of sugar, but more like 20 tsp for 3000 calories. I don't see why the percentage should be thrown out the window for those expending more energy, as keeping to a percentage of total calories will automatically raise the upper limit.sunnybeaches105 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »FunkyTobias wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »I don't get the issue with fruit juices anyway outside of the "drinking calories" argument. The sugar in a glass of orange juice is the same sugar that is in the two oranges it was made from. Why would eating 2 oranges be better than drinking them if in a context of a balanced diet you are getting plenty of fiber anyway?
No it isn't the same. Fruit provides sugar and fiber at the same time. If the fiber is in your colon, it doesn't help with the juice hitting the stomach.
Why do you think it's important to get them at the same time?
The fiber makes a gummy mess in your stomach and will drag a good part of the sugar with it into the intestines. That slows the rate of absorption down and gives the liver more time to deal with the fructose. Some of the fructose will even be drug into the large intestine where bacteria will eat it. Kids also enjoy the farts caused by that.
The liver is pretty amazing and pretty fast, but overloading it may be a cause of metabolic issues. At least it has been shown that metabolic disease symptoms can be triggered in as little as two weeks of sweeten beverage consumption. So probably anything that slows the process down is good. Fiber is like a mechanical diet aid.
And you keep ignoring dosage and context.
You would have to drink juice by the gallon to "overload the liver".
Not to mention the fact that fiber is not needed to "drag the sugar into the intestines" since sugar isn't absorbed through the stomach in the first place. It, like all carbohydrates, are absorbed through the intestines.
Gallon? Maybe if it is distilled so only water is left. Seems like you are the one ignoring dosage. No clue what you mean by context. http://www.sugarscience.org/sugar-sweetened-beverages/#.V4cXDI9OKUk
You might want to start looking at real sources, not alarmist websites. It takes a lot more than a glass of juice to overload the liver.Speed matters.
Maybe if you are diabetic. For others, it really doesn't.
Context.
You context doesn't mean anything. There are now ample studies with sweeten beverages that show modest consumption of them causes metabolic disease symptoms in even a two week period. A theory is too much fructose in the liver causes it to be converted to LDL which leads to non-alcoholic fatty liver disease. It seems that too much isn't much at all if a 12 oz can of soda a day is too much. It is much less of an issue with the glucose because the liver can convert most surplus glucose into glycogen and even store it.
Here is another article on heart disease and sweeten beverages.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/03/health/soda-heart-failure-study/index.html
You know an article is super scientific if it starts with the words "Guys, listen up:".
Just figured it was something you could digest. You don't seem very interested detailed facts.
Seriously pushing for wanton consumption of sugar isn't even something that Coke or Pepsi do anymore. The handwriting is on the wall and more studies are zeroing in on the issues all the time.
saying it is OK to consume sugar moderately along with a diet that hits micros and macros does not equal pushing wanton sugar consumption.
Drinking juice by the gallon isn't consuming sugar moderately.
Who is advocating drinking a gallon of juice, for either adults or children?
stevencloser claimed 'You would have to drink juice by the gallon to "overload the liver".'
One of the random statements not backed up by anything. There are ample studies that show even 12 oz of soda a day has adverse impact on the liver in as little as two weeks. There isn't much difference between juice or soda when it comes to sugar.
I really don't see a lot of problems with eating whole fruit. Takes a lot of eating to get the same sugar that is one glass of juice. Natural limit.
You really think saying, "you would have to drink juice by the gallon" means advocating drinking juice by the gallon?
I can't decide if people just are so caught up in preparing for their next counter statement that they just don't bother to try to understand what another poster is saying, or if they willfully misrepresent a position, or if they truly believe that is what the poster meant when he said "you would have to drink juice by the gallon".
No that isn't it. The root of this is many don't realize how little sugar is really too much sugar. While safe levels are still being determined, the WHO recommends no more than 6 teaspoons (~25 grams) of added sugar or sugar from beverages a day. On can 12 oz can of soda can contain 11 teaspoons of sugar and some juices are even higher than that. 4 oz of juice max is moderation.
http://who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2015/sugar-guideline/en/
In the meantime there is a camp of people that are always posting, you can't claim anything toxic about sugar because no dosage for toxicity has been determined or other such nonsense. In the meantime we know now that the high sugar consumption is wreaking havoc on populations around the world. The problem with toxic side effects is they will very widely for different people. There will never be numbers that are universally correct for everyone. So it comes down to caution or no caution. That is why such a statement is detrimental as it is throwing out any reasonable caution or concern.
They recognize this because too much sugar equals too many calories without adequate nutrition. For those of us who are active and use sugar as fuel or a moderate treat it's not an issue. I frankly get endless entertainment from overweight and sedentary people telling me how my diet is going to hurt me. My diet isn't created for you or them. It's created for an active individual and that is exactly the type of individual WHO is not addressing with this type of health information. Best of luck to you. I hope you can get it all dialed in. The people you're arguing with already have done so for quite a while.
Did you not read what he said about using additional sugar for fuel for workouts/training?
The point is that as a percentage of one's diet sugar can go up.
You said there would be no math
No math. Just logic. I hope.
Logic and mfp are directly opposed to one another
Some are too busy looking for a gotchas, rather than listening or reading, and then analyzing information and parsing language.0 -
I actually generally eat about 50-80 grams of sugar a day. About half of that is added and half is naturally occurring. I have to say, I do find it a bit surprising that several of us have similar intakes.
I don't regularly log on here, but I did this past Monday.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »I actually generally eat about 50-80 grams of sugar a day. About half of that is added and half is naturally occurring. I have to say, I do find it a bit surprising that several of us have similar intakes.
I don't regularly log on here, but I did this past Monday.
To be honest that doesn't surprise me. We are well into the weeds in this discussion. The point has obviously been missed by some2 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I actually generally eat about 50-80 grams of sugar a day. About half of that is added and half is naturally occurring. I have to say, I do find it a bit surprising that several of us have similar intakes.
I don't regularly log on here, but I did this past Monday.
To be honest that doesn't surprise me. We are well into the weeds in this discussion. The point has obviously been missed by some
I have said many times on here, whether you are talking about clean eaters vs team moderation, or some other debate that seems to have two clear sides... if you put two diaries side by side without knowing whose was whose, it is likely that you would not be able to label which camp the owners were in. People make so many assumptions and read past what others are saying... so much of this could be avoided. But hey, what fun would that be!7 -
WinoGelato wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »I actually generally eat about 50-80 grams of sugar a day. About half of that is added and half is naturally occurring. I have to say, I do find it a bit surprising that several of us have similar intakes.
I don't regularly log on here, but I did this past Monday.
To be honest that doesn't surprise me. We are well into the weeds in this discussion. The point has obviously been missed by some
I have said many times on here, whether you are talking about clean eaters vs team moderation, or some other debate that seems to have two clear sides... if you put two diaries side by side without knowing whose was whose, it is likely that you would not be able to label which camp the owners were in. People make so many assumptions and read past what others are saying... so much of this could be avoided. But hey, what fun would that be!
It makes a difference when you're backpacking 20-30 miles a day and trying to decide if 900 calories of chocolate covered almonds is okay. It also helps understand why the goo and gells people often use. It gives people an understanding that there is base line nutrition and then there is consuming enough calories for fuel.1
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