low carb Does work!!!!
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queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
But they are salty and increase water retention.2 -
VintageFeline wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
D'oh! Leaving it, 'cause funny.
Do leave it! This thread could segue to more crabby carb eating crabs!0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
But they are salty and increase water retention.
Drink more wine then!!0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
D'oh! Leaving it, 'cause funny.
Do leave it! This thread could segue to more crabby carb eating crabs!
What do crabs eat? I've never pondered on this before!0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
D'oh! Leaving it, 'cause funny.
Do leave it! This thread could segue to more crabby carb eating crabs!
What do crabs eat? I've never pondered on this before!
Pasta with butter!!1 -
Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Idk what you wrote because DAMN.
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Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing.
No, I had been on a certain eating plan for some time, 2yrs+, and although I was gaining strength my body measurements never really changed much. Maybe dropping a point here or there on BF % but nothing like the changes I have seen over the course of these past 12 weeks. Had I continued on the same meal plan I was on I would still most likely look like I did on the left.
I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
Although this could possibly be the case I was already drinking a fair amount of water... 2-3 liters. So it is not like I went from drinking a few cups a day to a gallon. Just added about .5 to 1 liter. Also my muscle mass I gained 2.96 lbs of LMM so I do not think this is a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
At the local store where I get nutrition counseling from they have a machine called Inbody. In short you stand on a machine and hold some handles and it measures BW, SMM (Skeletal Muscle Mass, Water Weight, BF, ect. I also get measured the old fashioned way (scale, and pinches, which both methods are yielding very similar results). Both methods are within <.5% during my 12 week span so going forward I am not going to bother with the tape and pinches. I know that Hydrostatic measurements will be a little more accurate but I am also not in a BB contest so I am fine with a fast / easy method I am currently using.
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If you got results on low carb that's great. Low carb is how you did it, CI<CO is why it worked...4
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queenliz99 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
But they are salty and increase water retention.
Drink more wine then!!
It's like you don't even know me...
ETA: Hahahahahaha. I read that as water initially. Yes, you do know me!
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tlflag1620 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »So you ate less than you burned (CICO) while choosing foods that met your satiety needs?
I think her point (and I suspect you understand this, even if you want to play coy) is that for her, and many others, restricting carbs helps with satiety, making it easier to create a deficit without going hungry. I think she realizes that she ate less than she burned, she's just saying that LCHF made it easier for her to do that.
/end thread indeed.
But this is the thing you don't have to restrict carbs to help with satiety, I went low carb 4 or 5 years ago and it was horrible...absolutely horrible...I never had that satisfied feeling....and by carbs I mean starches, I ate lots of veggies.
But after coming here and reading I realized it was okay to eat potatoes and white rice and pasta and I was so very happy
Even to this day I eat more protein and fats then carbs and I am "satisfied" and guess what lost weight and maintained....domgibson88 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »domgibson88 wrote: »So, I'm sick of when people on here say they are struggling and someone on here suggests low carb and then another person berates them and says it's all about calories eat as much as you want but stay within the calories but heres the thing, did that and could not stay within my calories because carbs don't keep me satiated....they satisfy for an hour then I'm hungry again.. For example I used to have cheerios for breakfast but by first break at work (930) I was starving and usually grabbed a cookie or bag of chips...now I have 3 scrambled eggs with salsa (more calories) but I'm good till lunch!!I may have a small healthy snack like some Spitz or a handful of almonds but that's it!!!Now I'm not saying this works for everyone but I've lost 6 pounds in 2 and a half weeks doing this, it's working for me...so when someone on here suggests low care it is a VALID suggestion...the whole "eat whatever you want and stay within calorie goal" is not the ultimate answer so don't be quick to judge someone's suggestion.. Different lifestyles work for different people.
I bolded what was the actual problem for you. How about grabbing something low calorie instead of cookies and chips?
BTW. cookies and chips? Loooooots of fat.
What I've said on here many times when I get to The point where I'm starving I have no self control and go for unhealthy stuff, eating a low carb high fat meal allows me to not feel that way and I can get away with a handful of almonds or a healthy snack till I get to lunch cause at break, I am still satiated from breakfast.....
but you didn't have to go low carb for that all you had to do was plan ahead for what you knew was coming and pack yogurt, fruit, veggies etc to snack on...
You might not have to restrict carbs for satiety. I do. I used to eat lots of whole grains, veggies and fruit, modest amounts of lean meats and low fat or fat free dairy, very little added sugar very little added fat. Cutting back on obvious "junk" (soda, chips, cookies, etc) helped, but not enough. I still struggled with hunger much of the time. When I dropped the grains and sugary fruit (keeping low sugar and savory fruit), started favoring fibrous veggies rather than starchy ones, switched to fattier cuts of meat and whole eggs, switched to full fat dairy, and increased the added fat (good fats like butter, lard, and bacon drippings), my hunger diminished in a big way. I was able to make more rational decisions and trust my hunger signals. Yes, I was obviously in a calorie deficit, so I lost weight. But for the first time in my life I was able to easily stick to that deficit long enough. I wasn't fighting hunger all the time. You may do well on a higher carb diet. Not everyone does.
Yogurt (at least the low fat kind, full fat regular or Greek yogurt is okay for me, in small doses), fruit, starchy veggies, grains (even "whole" grains)... These fuel my hunger. I'd eat those, find myself still starving, and reach for more.
did you miss the part where I said I eat more fats and protein but don't feel that going low carb is the end all to be all...it does help with weight loss esp at first but you can up protein and fats without sacrificing carbs to a degree that you are "restricting"
I eat lots of meat, eggs, cheese, butter, cook with lard and bacon fat...
I guess I missed the part where I, or the OP, said that low carb was the end all be all. I did see where you said "you don't have to restrict carbs to help with satiety". Had you said "*I* don't have to restrict carbs to help with satiety" I would have agreed with you. Plenty of people don't have to restrict carbs. I'm just not one of them. Not that low carb is the only way, or even the best way for all, just that it is the best way for me. And, for what it's worth, while many might find my diet "restrictive" I've never felt freer or more in control of my eating habits. Since I'm not hungry al, the time, I am free to indulge in true moderation without fear that that one little slice of cake will end up being half a cake before the night is over. I couldn't trust myself before. Now I can. To me, that's liberating, not restricting.
" It just upsets me that some people on here think they're way is the absolute answer and it's not." from the OP and there is an absolute answer CI<CO.....going low carb doesn't guarantee weight loss.
not all of themtlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »peter56765 wrote: »I did low carb for over a year and it worked as advertised. I lost the weight and wasn't hungry but ultimately I gained it all back and then some. The reason? Restrictive diets are boring to me and ultimately my cravings for (literally) forbidden fruits got to be too much. Low carb means saying goodbye to 85% of everything at the grocery store and 95% of everything at a restaurant. No thanks. Last night we had homemade strawberry shortcake with fresh strawberries. I adjusted my lunch and exercise to fit it in calorie wise. Pretty easy to do and IMO, life's too short to miss out on things like that.
Low carb means any kind of meat in the market, most veggies, many fruits, any full fat dairy product, dark chocolate, seeds and nuts of all kinds. Okay, 85% of the "junk food" in the grocery store is off limits, but I'd have a hard time fitting soda, chips, and candy into my calorie limits regardless. Dining out is easy - some kind of meat plus salad and veggies. It's as hard or as easy as you make it.
I regularly eat berries with heavy cream. I just skip the shortcake. Leaves room for more berries and more cream.
this sounds like lchf...not just low carb.
Not being snarky, but low carb is supposed to be high fat. When you reduce carbs (as a percentage) you obviously need to replace them with something else. Too much protein can have negative health consequences. So carbs get replaced with fats.
Yes... to lose weight CI<CO. I don't think anyone is disputing that. For some (not all, and I think I and the OP have acknowledged this) LC makes reducing CI much, much easier. CICO is not a method. It is a mathematical idea. Whether you create CI<CO by going low carb, by going vegan, by weighing and measuring and counting, etc, yes, you still need to create a deficit to lose weight. There is more than one way to create that deficit.
Which LC diets that are not high fat are you referring to?
I agree that the way of creating the deficit is largely up to the individual to determine what will work best for them.
Couldn't a person be LC and High Protein? I'm not saying it is advisable or that there is a common approach, I'm just assuming that with three macros to play with, if you reduce one, you could increase either of the other two, right?
Yes, they could be LC and LF at the same time, but it's not really advisable. Perhaps under a doctor's supervision, for certain medical conditions, that's about the only time I can think a LFLC (high protein) diet might be used. But I'll wait and see what Stef meant, specifically.
NOt that I am recommending this particular diet The 17 day diet is low carb moderate fat and lots of protein.
No fruit after 2
Only veggies (no corn or potatoes or squashes etc ) for the first 17 days
Moderate fats like butter, oils
No dairy
2nd set of 17 days whole grain starches but in limited qty
same as above.
It knocks the weight off...but it's low carb, lowish fats and exceptionally high protein.
I was never hungry...but didn't have that satisfied feeling ever....
and if I remember correctly (I didn't do it personally) but simply for life I don't think is HighFat either.0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
But they are salty and increase water retention.
Drink more wine then!!
It's like you don't even know me...
ETA: Hahahahahaha. I read that as water initially. Yes, you do know me!
If @WinoGelato isn't bringing enough wine to wash the crabby carb-eating crabs down, I'll volunteer some. I've got some of this at home right now:
Not a crab, but close enough? It'll be great with the butter pasta.2 -
mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
But they are salty and increase water retention.
Drink more wine then!!
It's like you don't even know me...
ETA: Hahahahahaha. I read that as water initially. Yes, you do know me!
If @WinoGelato isn't bringing enough wine to wash the crabby carb-eating crabs down, I'll volunteer some. I've got some of this at home right now:
Not a crab, but close enough? It'll be great with the butter pasta.
In. Shall I bring deep fried Mars bars? Delicacy from my Motherland (Mars bars I believe are different in the US). That'll cover carbs AND added evil sugar.1 -
domgibson88 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »domgibson88 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »domgibson88 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »
Please tell me those are vodka-soaked Peeps that will later be lit on fire.
You light them on fire!
The only reason Peeps exist is to be tortured. I get a pack every Easter to microwave, shine 1650W of light on until they smoke, set ablaze... I haven't mutilated them making Peep sushi yet, that should be next year. Pretty sure this ain't on anyone's low-carb diet:
You sound violent. I like you.cerise_noir wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »
Please tell me those are vodka-soaked Peeps that will later be lit on fire.
You light them on fire!
Those peeps would so end up in my mouth.
So @queenliz99 is bringing the ice cream, @WinoGelato is bringing the wine, I'm making the spaghetti supper, and you can bring the vodka peeps. I'm thinking about inviting @Noel_57 and his new GF Jessica rabbit, since he's interested in having a less intellectual conversation.
Anyone else?
Hey I started this amazing beast of a thread can I come??lol
I suspect it won't be low carb though
F###c it I'll bring the Big Macs
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
That's supposed to be a K not a C lol
I suspect spelling won't be important at this gathering! :bigsmile:3 -
I'm all for low carb. I just think it's important that dieters understand that it IS about calories. You can tell someone to cut carbs and yeah, maybe they'll lose weight. But that is not sustainable unless the individual understands the amount of calories less they are consuming by cutting out the carbs.
I also do think low carb is a sustainable life style for many. Even for me--I'm not an athlete, I'm not highly active. I don't NEED a crap ton of carbs. Plus they don't fill me up and I have a small TDEE.2 -
VintageFeline wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
But they are salty and increase water retention.
Drink more wine then!!
It's like you don't even know me...
ETA: Hahahahahaha. I read that as water initially. Yes, you do know me!
If @WinoGelato isn't bringing enough wine to wash the crabby carb-eating crabs down, I'll volunteer some. I've got some of this at home right now:
Not a crab, but close enough? It'll be great with the butter pasta.
In. Shall I bring deep fried Mars bars? Delicacy from my Motherland (Mars bars I believe are different in the US). That'll cover carbs AND added evil sugar.
I'll bring the American County Fair staple: deep fried butter. Fat AND carbs all rolled into one. And wine, because there is no such thing as too much wine.7 -
alyssa_rest wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
But they are salty and increase water retention.
Drink more wine then!!
It's like you don't even know me...
ETA: Hahahahahaha. I read that as water initially. Yes, you do know me!
If @WinoGelato isn't bringing enough wine to wash the crabby carb-eating crabs down, I'll volunteer some. I've got some of this at home right now:
Not a crab, but close enough? It'll be great with the butter pasta.
In. Shall I bring deep fried Mars bars? Delicacy from my Motherland (Mars bars I believe are different in the US). That'll cover carbs AND added evil sugar.
I'll bring the American County Fair staple: deep fried butter. Fat AND carbs all rolled into one. And wine, because there is no such thing as too much wine.
Pairs nicely with crabs!!3 -
queenliz99 wrote: »alyssa_rest wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
But they are salty and increase water retention.
Drink more wine then!!
It's like you don't even know me...
ETA: Hahahahahaha. I read that as water initially. Yes, you do know me!
If @WinoGelato isn't bringing enough wine to wash the crabby carb-eating crabs down, I'll volunteer some. I've got some of this at home right now:
Not a crab, but close enough? It'll be great with the butter pasta.
In. Shall I bring deep fried Mars bars? Delicacy from my Motherland (Mars bars I believe are different in the US). That'll cover carbs AND added evil sugar.
I'll bring the American County Fair staple: deep fried butter. Fat AND carbs all rolled into one. And wine, because there is no such thing as too much wine.
Pairs nicely with crabs!!
I'd offer to bring Buckfast but, well, I want to have some friends by the end of this gathering.1 -
Heh.... too late. Sorrynotsorry.nutmegoreo wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »
Please tell me those are vodka-soaked Peeps that will later be lit on fire.
You light them on fire!
The only reason Peeps exist is to be tortured. I get a pack every Easter to microwave, shine 1650W of light on until they smoke, set ablaze... I haven't mutilated them making Peep sushi yet, that should be next year. Pretty sure this ain't on anyone's low-carb diet:
You sound violent. I like you.cerise_noir wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »
Please tell me those are vodka-soaked Peeps that will later be lit on fire.
You light them on fire!
Those peeps would so end up in my mouth.
So @queenliz99 is bringing the ice cream, @WinoGelato is bringing the wine, I'm making the spaghetti supper, and you can bring the vodka peeps. I'm thinking about inviting @Noel_57 and his new GF Jessica rabbit, since he's interested in having a less intellectual conversation.
Anyone else?
But, that does sound good!
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tlflag1620 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »So you ate less than you burned (CICO) while choosing foods that met your satiety needs?
I think her point (and I suspect you understand this, even if you want to play coy) is that for her, and many others, restricting carbs helps with satiety, making it easier to create a deficit without going hungry. I think she realizes that she ate less than she burned, she's just saying that LCHF made it easier for her to do that.
/end thread indeed.
But this is the thing you don't have to restrict carbs to help with satiety, I went low carb 4 or 5 years ago and it was horrible...absolutely horrible...I never had that satisfied feeling....and by carbs I mean starches, I ate lots of veggies.
But after coming here and reading I realized it was okay to eat potatoes and white rice and pasta and I was so very happy
Even to this day I eat more protein and fats then carbs and I am "satisfied" and guess what lost weight and maintained....domgibson88 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »domgibson88 wrote: »So, I'm sick of when people on here say they are struggling and someone on here suggests low carb and then another person berates them and says it's all about calories eat as much as you want but stay within the calories but heres the thing, did that and could not stay within my calories because carbs don't keep me satiated....they satisfy for an hour then I'm hungry again.. For example I used to have cheerios for breakfast but by first break at work (930) I was starving and usually grabbed a cookie or bag of chips...now I have 3 scrambled eggs with salsa (more calories) but I'm good till lunch!!I may have a small healthy snack like some Spitz or a handful of almonds but that's it!!!Now I'm not saying this works for everyone but I've lost 6 pounds in 2 and a half weeks doing this, it's working for me...so when someone on here suggests low care it is a VALID suggestion...the whole "eat whatever you want and stay within calorie goal" is not the ultimate answer so don't be quick to judge someone's suggestion.. Different lifestyles work for different people.
I bolded what was the actual problem for you. How about grabbing something low calorie instead of cookies and chips?
BTW. cookies and chips? Loooooots of fat.
What I've said on here many times when I get to The point where I'm starving I have no self control and go for unhealthy stuff, eating a low carb high fat meal allows me to not feel that way and I can get away with a handful of almonds or a healthy snack till I get to lunch cause at break, I am still satiated from breakfast.....
but you didn't have to go low carb for that all you had to do was plan ahead for what you knew was coming and pack yogurt, fruit, veggies etc to snack on...
You might not have to restrict carbs for satiety. I do. I used to eat lots of whole grains, veggies and fruit, modest amounts of lean meats and low fat or fat free dairy, very little added sugar very little added fat. Cutting back on obvious "junk" (soda, chips, cookies, etc) helped, but not enough. I still struggled with hunger much of the time. When I dropped the grains and sugary fruit (keeping low sugar and savory fruit), started favoring fibrous veggies rather than starchy ones, switched to fattier cuts of meat and whole eggs, switched to full fat dairy, and increased the added fat (good fats like butter, lard, and bacon drippings), my hunger diminished in a big way. I was able to make more rational decisions and trust my hunger signals. Yes, I was obviously in a calorie deficit, so I lost weight. But for the first time in my life I was able to easily stick to that deficit long enough. I wasn't fighting hunger all the time. You may do well on a higher carb diet. Not everyone does.
Yogurt (at least the low fat kind, full fat regular or Greek yogurt is okay for me, in small doses), fruit, starchy veggies, grains (even "whole" grains)... These fuel my hunger. I'd eat those, find myself still starving, and reach for more.
did you miss the part where I said I eat more fats and protein but don't feel that going low carb is the end all to be all...it does help with weight loss esp at first but you can up protein and fats without sacrificing carbs to a degree that you are "restricting"
I eat lots of meat, eggs, cheese, butter, cook with lard and bacon fat...
I guess I missed the part where I, or the OP, said that low carb was the end all be all. I did see where you said "you don't have to restrict carbs to help with satiety". Had you said "*I* don't have to restrict carbs to help with satiety" I would have agreed with you. Plenty of people don't have to restrict carbs. I'm just not one of them. Not that low carb is the only way, or even the best way for all, just that it is the best way for me. And, for what it's worth, while many might find my diet "restrictive" I've never felt freer or more in control of my eating habits. Since I'm not hungry al, the time, I am free to indulge in true moderation without fear that that one little slice of cake will end up being half a cake before the night is over. I couldn't trust myself before. Now I can. To me, that's liberating, not restricting.
" It just upsets me that some people on here think they're way is the absolute answer and it's not." from the OP and there is an absolute answer CI<CO.....going low carb doesn't guarantee weight loss.
not all of themtlflag1620 wrote: »tlflag1620 wrote: »peter56765 wrote: »I did low carb for over a year and it worked as advertised. I lost the weight and wasn't hungry but ultimately I gained it all back and then some. The reason? Restrictive diets are boring to me and ultimately my cravings for (literally) forbidden fruits got to be too much. Low carb means saying goodbye to 85% of everything at the grocery store and 95% of everything at a restaurant. No thanks. Last night we had homemade strawberry shortcake with fresh strawberries. I adjusted my lunch and exercise to fit it in calorie wise. Pretty easy to do and IMO, life's too short to miss out on things like that.
Low carb means any kind of meat in the market, most veggies, many fruits, any full fat dairy product, dark chocolate, seeds and nuts of all kinds. Okay, 85% of the "junk food" in the grocery store is off limits, but I'd have a hard time fitting soda, chips, and candy into my calorie limits regardless. Dining out is easy - some kind of meat plus salad and veggies. It's as hard or as easy as you make it.
I regularly eat berries with heavy cream. I just skip the shortcake. Leaves room for more berries and more cream.
this sounds like lchf...not just low carb.
Not being snarky, but low carb is supposed to be high fat. When you reduce carbs (as a percentage) you obviously need to replace them with something else. Too much protein can have negative health consequences. So carbs get replaced with fats.
Yes... to lose weight CI<CO. I don't think anyone is disputing that. For some (not all, and I think I and the OP have acknowledged this) LC makes reducing CI much, much easier. CICO is not a method. It is a mathematical idea. Whether you create CI<CO by going low carb, by going vegan, by weighing and measuring and counting, etc, yes, you still need to create a deficit to lose weight. There is more than one way to create that deficit.
Which LC diets that are not high fat are you referring to?
I agree that the way of creating the deficit is largely up to the individual to determine what will work best for them.
Couldn't a person be LC and High Protein? I'm not saying it is advisable or that there is a common approach, I'm just assuming that with three macros to play with, if you reduce one, you could increase either of the other two, right?
Yes, they could be LC and LF at the same time, but it's not really advisable. Perhaps under a doctor's supervision, for certain medical conditions, that's about the only time I can think a LFLC (high protein) diet might be used. But I'll wait and see what Stef meant, specifically.
NOt that I am recommending this particular diet The 17 day diet is low carb moderate fat and lots of protein.
No fruit after 2
Only veggies (no corn or potatoes or squashes etc ) for the first 17 days
Moderate fats like butter, oils
No dairy
2nd set of 17 days whole grain starches but in limited qty
same as above.
It knocks the weight off...but it's low carb, lowish fats and exceptionally high protein.
I was never hungry...but didn't have that satisfied feeling ever....
and if I remember correctly (I didn't do it personally) but simply for life I don't think is HighFat either.
Ok I see. I'd never heard of the 17 day diet. I think in the short term you could get away with a high protein diet (and by its title, I'm guessing the 17 day diet isn't a long term strategy, lol). I was speaking more about long term dietary changes. I've never been much for quick fixes/gimmicks. I'm not familiar with simply for life... When I set out to do LCHF it was after years of struggling with lower fat, higher fiber, portion controlled and calorie controlled diets. I read up on a number of different plans, as well as on paleo and primal eating, and kind of picked and chose what I thought would work for me and what made sense to me. The high fat aspect of most LC diets makes a great deal of sense to me, and since I find fat more satiating than other macros, it works for me. I know it is possible to eat high protein, but I don't think any mainstream, long term LC plans recommend it.
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cerise_noir wrote: »
Heh.... too late. Sorrynotsorry.nutmegoreo wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »
Please tell me those are vodka-soaked Peeps that will later be lit on fire.
You light them on fire!
The only reason Peeps exist is to be tortured. I get a pack every Easter to microwave, shine 1650W of light on until they smoke, set ablaze... I haven't mutilated them making Peep sushi yet, that should be next year. Pretty sure this ain't on anyone's low-carb diet:
You sound violent. I like you.cerise_noir wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »
Please tell me those are vodka-soaked Peeps that will later be lit on fire.
You light them on fire!
Those peeps would so end up in my mouth.
So @queenliz99 is bringing the ice cream, @WinoGelato is bringing the wine, I'm making the spaghetti supper, and you can bring the vodka peeps. I'm thinking about inviting @Noel_57 and his new GF Jessica rabbit, since he's interested in having a less intellectual conversation.
Anyone else?
But, that does sound good!
DID YOU EAT THEM ALL?????
You're no longer invited
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If you got results on low carb that's great. Low carb is how you did it, CI<CO is why it worked...
Bingo! But it's almost useless to explain things around here because some would rather believe that low carb is magical ( because they've done it for two weeks) but refuse to except The fact that a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss.
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zoeysasha37 wrote: »If you got results on low carb that's great. Low carb is how you did it, CI<CO is why it worked...
Bingo! But it's almost useless to explain things around here because some would rather believe that low carb is magical ( because they've done it for two weeks) but refuse to except The fact that a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss.
In all fairness (and yes I have encountered the LC = magic thinking and I agree it's frustrating) I didn't get the sense that anyone participating in this thread was claiming, insinuating, or otherwise suggesting that a calorie deficit is not necessary for weight loss. Yes, a calorie deficit is all that is needed. That said, for the long game (which is what I assume we are all striving for) adherence is vital. Finding a way of eating that not only works, but that you actually enjoy is very important. I can make calorie counting work. I don't enjoy it. I enjoy LC.
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Counting carbs IS counting calories.
I know I know, semantics...0 -
alyssa_rest wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »mskessler89 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Danny_Boy13 wrote: »
Here is my before and after pics on my recent Low Carb eating. I will say that this is the ONLY thing that I changed was taking away some carbs and adding in some proteins. I also started drinking 3-4 liters of water a day. This was over a 12 week span. I gained 3lbs of LMM but also lost 3% BF. All in all I still weigh the same, almost identical, I just replaced fat with muscle. Food reacts differently with different people. As stated for some to comment in the manner of "No, it shouldn't matter" may true for some but for me it does not seem to hold true.
Doesn't really prove anything. You could very well have had the same results changing nothing. I expect drinking more water and decreasing crabs helped with water retention, enabling you to look more "cut". It's a visual effect.
How are you measuring body fat?
I like crabs though!!
But they are salty and increase water retention.
Drink more wine then!!
It's like you don't even know me...
ETA: Hahahahahaha. I read that as water initially. Yes, you do know me!
If @WinoGelato isn't bringing enough wine to wash the crabby carb-eating crabs down, I'll volunteer some. I've got some of this at home right now:
Not a crab, but close enough? It'll be great with the butter pasta.
In. Shall I bring deep fried Mars bars? Delicacy from my Motherland (Mars bars I believe are different in the US). That'll cover carbs AND added evil sugar.
I'll bring the American County Fair staple: deep fried butter. Fat AND carbs all rolled into one. And wine, because there is no such thing as too much wine.
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I need to eat low carb due to having insulin resistant PCOS. It does work well for me, but I'm finding it more difficult than I expected (yesterday I was over my carb goal by a little). However, I will say that CICO is still the basic principle. Before dealing with PCOS symptoms as bad as I am right now, I didn't care about carbs and just ate within my calorie goal and lost 30 lbs in 4 months.0
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peter56765 wrote: »I did low carb for over a year and it worked as advertised. I lost the weight and wasn't hungry but ultimately I gained it all back and then some. The reason? Restrictive diets are boring to me and ultimately my cravings for (literally) forbidden fruits got to be too much. Low carb means saying goodbye to 85% of everything at the grocery store and 95% of everything at a restaurant. No thanks. Last night we had homemade strawberry shortcake with fresh strawberries. I adjusted my lunch and exercise to fit it in calorie wise. Pretty easy to do and IMO, life's too short to miss out on things like that.
I think what you meant to say is that it works for you.
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zoeysasha37 wrote: »If you got results on low carb that's great. Low carb is how you did it, CI<CO is why it worked...
Bingo! But it's almost useless to explain things around here because some would rather believe that low carb is magical ( because they've done it for two weeks) but refuse to except The fact that a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss.
I never said ANYTHING was magical..yes I understand the concept, in verses out, keeping in a deficit is the way to loose weight... But the whole "eat whatever you want as long as its within your goals didn't work for me...if you enjoy the lifestyle of low carb hence staying within a deficit does work and is sustainable and people shouldn't berate ppl on here for suggesting it cause it's" unhealthy" which is not the case NO carb is unhealthy not low carb....like guys, am I speaking in a different language????1 -
domgibson88 wrote: »zoeysasha37 wrote: »If you got results on low carb that's great. Low carb is how you did it, CI<CO is why it worked...
Bingo! But it's almost useless to explain things around here because some would rather believe that low carb is magical ( because they've done it for two weeks) but refuse to except The fact that a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss.
I never said ANYTHING was magical..yes I understand the concept, in verses out, keeping in a deficit is the way to loose weight... But the whole "eat whatever you want as long as its within your goals didn't work for me...if you enjoy the lifestyle of low carb hence staying within a deficit does work and is sustainable and people shouldn't berate ppl on here for suggesting it cause it's" unhealthy" which is not the case NO carb is unhealthy not low carb....like guys, am I speaking in a different language????
what you are missing is this...
People jump to the advice "go low carb" before checking if the OP is logging accurately and consistently...
The advice "eat what you want but stay in goal" is for those who think "white bread is bad" or "chips are junk" etc. and the other advice of "eat what helps you stay in goal" is often missed as well by low carbers...the advice of "ensure you are getting in enough fats and protein" is often missed by low carbers as well...those who moderate who give this advice are basically saying do what works for you..switch things up but don't label food as bad or junk just because you are dieting.
low carb works for some but it's not the answer to "why am I not losing?" 100% of the time...
and until you have lived the low carb life for longer than 2 weeks this thread is moot.
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Low carb worked for me to an extent. I lost 60 lbs by following that WOE, but it just wasn't sustainable for me. I lost count how many times I lost and regained the same 10-15 lbs over and over again due to binging on carbs. I'm much happier now that I do CICO. I don't have to stress about what foods I can't have. I don't binge anymore. Sounds like you found what works for you and that's great.0
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I think every man and is dog knows that to lose weight your calories in need to be less than your calories out ci-co. It's how a person decides to create that deficit which is very individual and personal.
If a person is eating an average diet of average macros but they are suffering trying to stay in a deficit then reducing their carbs and upping their fat may help them.
Same thing for a person who has constant cravings and struggles to stay full.
I've done low carb, keto, high protein and "normal" eating. Low carbing was the ONLY woe that completely squelched my cravings and the constant thoughts of eating my next meal, i counted down the hours and minutes to my next meal.
Bottom line is I am 100% for any diet that helps a person stay in a deficit and onto maintenance effortlessly . Struggling everyday truly sucks and is why so many people give up. If someone can find the magic bullet to make the process easier who am i to argue!!
Tl;DR Find a way of eating that makes your life easy and controls your appetite, be it LCHF or HCLF. For me and many, many others it was LCHF. And is definitely something i would recommend if i read someone post with the same struggles i had/have.
Apologies for the long post, i always scroll past long drawn out essays, and now I've just written one :blushing:8
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