Why are people so negative regarding clean eating?
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Because they don't lift0
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No one cares if you eat clean. People only care when clean eaters insist it's the only way, tell us we're going to get cancer, tell us our insides are awful, roam unsolicited into others diaries and send them jerk face PMs, and attribute their weight loss to clean eating, as opposed to a calorie deficit.
If you wanna eat clean do it. That's great. I eat mostly clean as well. Just don't show up demonizing other foods/styles because if you do that people will let you know that you're wrong, and they'll bring facts and studies and evidence.
This. "Clean eaters" can be just as preachy as vegans and they all drive me nuts.
In my seriously unbiased opinion based on what I read here on these forums, clean eaters get attacked more often than the other way around.
There is a huge difference between challenging someone's reasoning and personally attacking them. The IIFYM community on here does challenge the reasoning behind clean eating. The response from clean eaters is that we will all die of cancer and they don't hesitate to PM us about it with some regularity. Then there are the personal insults from those with cartoon character avatars. I've even been challenged to actual fights by other members.Challenging reasoning is part of learning for both sides of any debate and it is something that many of us have engaged in throughout our educations and professional lives. Personal attacks and vague assertions of death are another thing. I have noticed, however, a distinct inability to distinguish the two by many members of this community.0 -
No one cares if you eat clean. People only care when clean eaters insist it's the only way, tell us we're going to get cancer, tell us our insides are awful, roam unsolicited into others diaries and send them jerk face PMs, and attribute their weight loss to clean eating, as opposed to a calorie deficit.
If you wanna eat clean do it. That's great. I eat mostly clean as well. Just don't show up demonizing other foods/styles because if you do that people will let you know that you're wrong, and they'll bring facts and studies and evidence.
This. "Clean eaters" can be just as preachy as vegans and they all drive me nuts.
In my seriously unbiased opinion based on what I read here on these forums, clean eaters get attacked more often than the other way around.
I beg to differ that your opinion is unbiased.
Personally, I have never attacked someone for wanting to eat a diet primarily of whole foods and in fact encourage it. I have however been attacked myself on a number of occasions. What I find offensive is 1) the complete lack of basic facts attributed to 'clean eating' whatever that means anyway 2) the insults I have had because I eat ice cream every day 3) the insinuations from the certain 'clean' eaters who say I will get cancer, metabolic disorders etc due to the fact that I do not eat 'clean' all of the time 4) the hypocrisy as I probably hit more of my micros and eat 'cleaner' than many of them who insult me in the first place 5) the incorrect nutritional information thrown out there (like white rice having no nutrients etc) 6) the insulting use of the terms 'junk' and 'garbage' to processed foods 7) the use of ridiculous examples by people who have no understanding of the context of IIFYM or of a balanced diet.
There are situations where I am not in line with other IIFYM'ers however and I do agree that context is often not applied (e.g. for people who have triggers etc) and pop-tarts and ice cream is pushed a lot, however, the point of the posts (or what the point should be) is often missed as the delivery is not ideal.
That's nice.0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
1) Shakeology has no basis in science. Thus it's fact, not opinion.
2) The person was clearly selling a product, which violates MFP Terms of Service. One that every member has to agree to when they sign up.
There wasn't bashing going on in that thread. If anything, well deserved snark towards someone who would come in and rip desperate new members out of their hard earned cash.0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
From my understanding no...because it does contain some "processed" stuff.0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
Again, MISSING THE POINT. I am reffering to the negativity towards someone else's attempts to be healthy.0 -
I think it is because they are too lazy to put as much effort into their eating habits. It is easier to bad mouth what they don't understand :-)
Basically, I think comments like this are what people object to more than the 'clean eating' itself...:/0 -
I think it is because they are too lazy to put as much effort into their eating habits. It is easier to bad mouth what they don't understand :-)
Yeah man, making my menu and tracking my macros (not to mention researching said macros, tweaking those macros, and figuring out what was best for my lifestyle) so that I can hit my goals everyday is totes lazy.
I think I love you :laugh:
Oh stop.
I'm not even mad about this thread though. It reminded me I need to go back to 30% protein. I'm gonna need some tuna tonight.0 -
wowNo one cares if you eat clean. People only care when clean eaters insist it's the only way, tell us we're going to get cancer, tell us our insides are awful, roam unsolicited into others diaries and send them jerk face PMs, and attribute their weight loss to clean eating, as opposed to a calorie deficit.
If you wanna eat clean do it. That's great. I eat mostly clean as well. Just don't show up demonizing other foods/styles because if you do that people will let you know that you're wrong, and they'll bring facts and studies and evidence.
Edit: Not that you're wrong for eating clean, but if you try to claim it's better or the only way or that everyone else is killing themselves/full of toxins/inviting cancer into their body...then you're wrong.0 -
The OP in that thread is a clear example of SPAM. They aren't bashing "clean eating" they are bashing spamming.Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.0 -
The OP in that thread is a clear example of SPAM. They aren't bashing "clean eating" they are bashing spamming.Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Spam is hardly clean.0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
Again, MISSING THE POINT. I am reffering to the negativity towards someone else's attempts to be healthy.
The negativity towards beach body is well warranted. We've had several "coaches" on here promoting their products against forum rules and telling people they have to eat clean or they'll get sick. Then, after scare mongering, they pitch product. It's dishonest and against the rules.0 -
The OP in that thread is a clear example of SPAM. They aren't bashing "clean eating" they are bashing spamming.Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
that other post I quoted had nothing to do with clean eating.I was just trying to find an example of people being rude and unsupportive.0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
Again, MISSING THE POINT. I am reffering to the negativity towards someone else's attempts to be healthy.
...I thought this was about clean eating.
I'm confused.0 -
Because it is way, way more fun to be dirrrrty.0
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Because most people don't have self discipline!!! And just because a person looses weight or are skinny don't make them healthy!!! Good for you for having self discipline and being healthy!!!
Are you insinuating that I do not have good self discipline because I do not eat clean?
Are you proving one of the points I made earlier?0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
Again, MISSING THE POINT. I am reffering to the negativity towards someone else's attempts to be healthy.
The negativity towards beach body is well warranted. We've had several "coaches" on here promoting their products against forum rules and telling people they have to eat clean or they'll get sick. Then, after scare mongering, they pitch product. It's dishonest and against the rules.
Ok that may be the case but it's not just on that issue I have seen the negativity, it happens whenever someone disagrees with someone's lifestyle, no matter what it is. Just forget for the moment that what I quoted was beachbody...the point was the way it was said.0 -
Gryfonclaw...I totally agree. It isn't just clean eaters shoving it down everyones throat. I can't count them number of times I have seen someone bash another person because they are avoiding things they love to eat saying "just eat it, you'll still lose weight if you are at a deficit" and are generally rude about it. Like I said it's not always about losing weight.
I will never understand someone avoiding something they love. Life is too short.
My life would be even shorter if I didn't grow up and realize I just couldn't eat whatever I wanted anymore, clean OR dirty.
Context? I can't eat seafood, because I'm allergic to it, and I don't eat a lot of garlic because it makes me feel ill. The end.
What the heck context do you need? MEDICAL, duh.
then that's not a choice thing. Its a necessity. Saying 'I love chocolate but I'm going to deprive myself because it's dirty' is the type of thing we are discussing here.
Your 'DUH' tells me everything I need to know about you, by the way. Not worth discussing things with...
Hahahahaha.
No, I just don't want to tell a complete stranger personal medical information.
Understandable.
But my point remains.0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
Again, MISSING THE POINT. I am reffering to the negativity towards someone else's attempts to be healthy.
...I thought this was about clean eating.
I'm confused.
No, this post is not just about clean eating. It's people's attitudes.0 -
I'm confused now. Is this a mean person's thread? Or a discussion about clean eating?
If it is the first, I would suggest blogging to be honest. No. Not being a "meany"...just saying.0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
Again, MISSING THE POINT. I am reffering to the negativity towards someone else's attempts to be healthy.
...I thought this was about clean eating.
I'm confused.
No, this post is not just about clean eating. It's people's attitudes.
Oh. Then I have nothing to add.0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
Again, MISSING THE POINT. I am reffering to the negativity towards someone else's attempts to be healthy.
...I thought this was about clean eating.
I'm confused.
No, this post is not just about clean eating. It's people's attitudes.
yet it is titled 'Why are people so negative regarding clean eating'. . .
I think everyone has an opinion about things and some people fail at conveying those respectfully.....0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
Again, MISSING THE POINT. I am reffering to the negativity towards someone else's attempts to be healthy.
The negativity towards beach body is well warranted. We've had several "coaches" on here promoting their products against forum rules and telling people they have to eat clean or they'll get sick. Then, after scare mongering, they pitch product. It's dishonest and against the rules.
Ok that may be the case but it's not just on that issue I have seen the negativity, it happens whenever someone disagrees with someone's lifestyle, no matter what it is. Just forget for the moment that what I quoted was beachbody...the point was the way it was said.
You can't have debates without disagreement. If that's what you mean by "negativity" then there isn't a solution, or even a problem that needs a solution. I'm not saying that everyone behaves perfectly all the time but there is a difference between disagreeing with reasoning based on logic and science and scare mongering.0 -
No one cares if you eat clean. People only care when clean eaters insist it's the only way, tell us we're going to get cancer, tell us our insides are awful, roam unsolicited into others diaries and send them jerk face PMs, and attribute their weight loss to clean eating, as opposed to a calorie deficit.
If you wanna eat clean do it. That's great. I eat mostly clean as well. Just don't show up demonizing other foods/styles because if you do that people will let you know that you're wrong, and they'll bring facts and studies and evidence.
This. "Clean eaters" can be just as preachy as vegans and they all drive me nuts.
In my seriously unbiased opinion based on what I read here on these forums, clean eaters get attacked more often than the other way around.
So your saying the IIFYMers (the ones who have no problem with any foods what so ever because they believe if it fits it is fair game) are attacking the clean eaters why exactly??? The only reason they get challenged on these board is when they say their way is the only way and the rest of us that choose to eat anything we want just in moderation will die from cancer, etc... I have been on my journey for 4 years and have lost a few pounds and have gotten PM's from the clean eating crowd telling me because I am eating pop tarts and ice cream that they will out live me and I am killing myself eating that crap, yadda, yadda.... It is ridiculous..... I personally have never once criticized someone for there food choices because I don't view foods in categories of good or bad.... So if I see a post on here telling the masses that clean eating is the only way then I will jump in and give my two cents.....0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
Again, MISSING THE POINT. I am reffering to the negativity towards someone else's attempts to be healthy.
...I thought this was about clean eating.
I'm confused.
No, this post is not just about clean eating. It's people's attitudes.
Oh. Then I have nothing to add.
I'm kind of an *kitten*, in every day life.
Good for you...I'm sure you are a joy to be around.0 -
Because most people don't have self discipline!!! And just because a person looses weight or are skinny don't make them healthy!!! Good for you for having self discipline and being healthy!!!
Comments like this right here are why I have a problem with it.
I eat mostly whole foods. I do eat some packaged/processed stuff, because it fits my lifestyle, budget and nutritional needs, and makes my tastebuds happy.
My bloodwork is perfect. Heart rate and blood pressure are great. I can run a mile in a little over 7 minutes, and a 5k in about 25 minutes. In weightlifting, everything is in the intermediate to advanced levels. I'm probably healthier than 95% of women my age.
But because I sometimes have Rice A Roni or pizza, I don't have self discipline and good health. Right. :ohwell:0 -
I think it is because they are too lazy to put as much effort into their eating habits. It is easier to bad mouth what they don't understand :-)
Oh no you didn't.0 -
No one cares if you eat clean. People only care when clean eaters insist it's the only way, tell us we're going to get cancer, tell us our insides are awful, roam unsolicited into others diaries and send them jerk face PMs, and attribute their weight loss to clean eating, as opposed to a calorie deficit.
If you wanna eat clean do it. That's great. I eat mostly clean as well. Just don't show up demonizing other foods/styles because if you do that people will let you know that you're wrong, and they'll bring facts and studies and evidence.
This. "Clean eaters" can be just as preachy as vegans and they all drive me nuts.
In my seriously unbiased opinion based on what I read here on these forums, clean eaters get attacked more often than the other way around.
So your saying the IIFYMers (the ones who have no problem with any foods what so ever because they believe if it fits it is fair game) are attacking the clean eaters why exactly??? The only reason they get challenged on these board is when they say their way is the only way and the rest of us that choose to eat anything we want just in moderation will die from cancer, etc... I have been on my journey for 4 years and have lost a few pounds and have gotten PM's from the clean eating crowd telling me because I am eating pop tarts and ice cream that they will out live me and I am killing myself eating that crap, yadda, yadda.... It is ridiculous..... I personally have never once criticized someone for there food choices because I don't view foods in categories of good or bad.... So if I see a post on here telling the masses that clean eating is the only way then I will jump in and give my two cents.....
Hell, I don't know why they attack clean eaters. Why don't you go ask them?
I also don't care, I'm just reporting what I see.0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
Again, MISSING THE POINT. I am reffering to the negativity towards someone else's attempts to be healthy.
...I thought this was about clean eating.
I'm confused.
No, this post is not just about clean eating. It's people's attitudes.
Oh. Then I have nothing to add.
I'm kind of an *kitten*, in every day life.
Good for you...I'm sure you are a joy to be around.
Actually she is..lol.0 -
Here is a good example of what I mean from another thread:
"I have a much better idea, skip the overpriced, low quality beach body crap and eat sensibly. That entire post was just a bunch of bull**** with absolutely no basis in reality or science."
In my opinion, this is a clear example of BASHING.
Is beach body even clean eating?
Again, MISSING THE POINT. I am reffering to the negativity towards someone else's attempts to be healthy.
The negativity towards beach body is well warranted. We've had several "coaches" on here promoting their products against forum rules and telling people they have to eat clean or they'll get sick. Then, after scare mongering, they pitch product. It's dishonest and against the rules.
Ok that may be the case but it's not just on that issue I have seen the negativity, it happens whenever someone disagrees with someone's lifestyle, no matter what it is. Just forget for the moment that what I quoted was beachbody...the point was the way it was said.
You can't have debates without disagreement. If that's what you mean by "negativity" then there isn't a solution, or even a problem that needs a solution. I'm not saying that everyone behaves perfectly all the time but there is a difference between disagreeing with reasoning based on logic and science and scare mongering.
There is a difference between disagreeing and being an *kitten* about it.0
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