INTERMITTENT FASTING - A LIFESTYLE MAKEOVER
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
That article is ridiculous. It is basically saying nothing.
Read it critically. Then read it again. It is basically saying to gradually increase your calories and weight lift so that you eat your TDEE at maintenance. Not some magic TDEE, but an appropriate one for your weight. Oh, and that people who've been dieting a long time tend to move less (have less NEAT and have less TEF because they're eating less food and have lower BMR's because they weigh less. DUH.)
I think Dr Layne Norton explains it better in his vlog on YouTube. I don't have the link but you can search for it there. He goes over the thermal gap, caused by adaptive thermogenesis, and how a slow backing out of the diet can help reduce the risk of rapid weight regain. As for me, I did just that when I stopped my weight loss and it worked quite well IME. You basically treat the last part of your diet as a transition back to normal eating and let your hormones etc rebalance. There are some physiological changes that occur that cause a decrease in BMR of up to about 5% on a long term weight loss diet but they will gradually go back to normal and reverse dieting is a method for reducing the thermal gap gradually.
Is reverse dieting necessary? No, but it certainly doesn't hurt to do it and if the theory is correct then it will help those who are moving into the maintenance phase.
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Is it animal cruelty to beat the horse if it's been dead for a while now?9
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
That article is ridiculous. It is basically saying nothing.
Read it critically. Then read it again. It is basically saying to gradually increase your calories and weight lift so that you eat your TDEE at maintenance. Not some magic TDEE, but an appropriate one for your weight. Oh, and that people who've been dieting a long time tend to move less (have less NEAT and have less TEF because they're eating less food and have lower BMR's because they weigh less. DUH.)
I think Dr Layne Norton explains it better in his vlog on YouTube. I don't have the link but you can search for it there. He goes over the thermal gap, caused by adaptive thermogenesis, and how a slow backing out of the diet can help reduce the risk of rapid weight regain. As for me, I did just that when I stopped my weight loss and it worked quite well IME. You basically treat the last part of your diet as a transition back to normal eating and let your hormones etc rebalance. There are some physiological changes that occur that cause a decrease in BMR of up to about 5% on a long term weight loss diet but they will gradually go back to normal and reverse dieting is a method for reducing the thermal gap gradually.
Is reverse dieting necessary? No, but it certainly doesn't hurt to do it and if the theory is correct then it will help those who are moving into the maintenance phase.
I do understand Layne Norton's take on gradually upping calories to back into maintenance and agree with it wholeheartedly.
I disagree with how a lot of people on this forum throw around the concept of reverse dieting, though.
They seem to believe it will perform some magic juju and enable you to eat more at maintenance than you would have otherwise.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
That article is ridiculous. It is basically saying nothing.
Read it critically. Then read it again. It is basically saying to gradually increase your calories and weight lift so that you eat your TDEE at maintenance. Not some magic TDEE, but an appropriate one for your weight. Oh, and that people who've been dieting a long time tend to move less (have less NEAT and have less TEF because they're eating less food and have lower BMR's because they weigh less. DUH.)
I think Dr Layne Norton explains it better in his vlog on YouTube. I don't have the link but you can search for it there. He goes over the thermal gap, caused by adaptive thermogenesis, and how a slow backing out of the diet can help reduce the risk of rapid weight regain. As for me, I did just that when I stopped my weight loss and it worked quite well IME. You basically treat the last part of your diet as a transition back to normal eating and let your hormones etc rebalance. There are some physiological changes that occur that cause a decrease in BMR of up to about 5% on a long term weight loss diet but they will gradually go back to normal and reverse dieting is a method for reducing the thermal gap gradually.
Is reverse dieting necessary? No, but it certainly doesn't hurt to do it and if the theory is correct then it will help those who are moving into the maintenance phase.
I do understand Layne Norton's take on gradually upping calories to back into maintenance and agree with it wholeheartedly.
I disagree with how a lot of people on this forum throw around the concept of reverse dieting, though.
They seem to believe it will perform some magic juju and enable you to eat more at maintenance than you would have otherwise.
Agreed, reverse dieting as in "eat more to weigh less" isn't really something I believe in either except for helping people who are hitting the wall and in danger of going into VLCD, then a reverse diet for a specific purpose is often a good idea.0 -
Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
It doesn't. In fact it makes one thing that helps increase BMR harder to achieve, muscle building.2 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
It doesn't. In fact it makes one thing that helps increase BMR harder to achieve, muscle building.
I certainly know that it's rare to see Keto in body building and powerlifting because of the low protein intake required to keep in Ketosis. There are quite a few low carb lifters but they tend towards a much higher protein intake than average.1 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
There are short term increases in metabolism when switching to Keto, due the increase metabolic requirement needed to produce ketones. But that quickly diminishes over the first 20ish days. Outside of that, I haven't seen any long term studies that would suggest any increase in TDEE.2 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
There are short term increases in metabolism when switching to Keto, due the increase metabolic requirement needed to produce ketones. But that quickly diminishes over the first 20ish days. Outside of that, I haven't seen any long term studies that would suggest any increase in TDEE.
That does make sense, might also explain part of the Keto flu symptoms.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
There are short term increases in metabolism when switching to Keto, due the increase metabolic requirement needed to produce ketones. But that quickly diminishes over the first 20ish days. Outside of that, I haven't seen any long term studies that would suggest any increase in TDEE.
Hmmm... Does metabolism slow down (below "normal") when switching off of keto, then? If not, I wonder if it might be an idea (which reminds me a little of RFL/PSMF) to go keto for a month every 6 months or so. Get a little spike in metabolism, go back to "normal" dieting/diet-break for a while, repeat. Just thinking/wondering out loud. Or, online, if you will.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
There are short term increases in metabolism when switching to Keto, due the increase metabolic requirement needed to produce ketones. But that quickly diminishes over the first 20ish days. Outside of that, I haven't seen any long term studies that would suggest any increase in TDEE.
Does that get folded into BMR, or is that more considered thermogenic effect of food?0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
There are short term increases in metabolism when switching to Keto, due the increase metabolic requirement needed to produce ketones. But that quickly diminishes over the first 20ish days. Outside of that, I haven't seen any long term studies that would suggest any increase in TDEE.
Hmmm... Does metabolism slow down (below "normal") when switching off of keto, then? If not, I wonder if it might be an idea (which reminds me a little of RFL/PSMF) to go keto for a month every 6 months or so. Get a little spike in metabolism, go back to "normal" dieting/diet-break for a while, repeat. Just thinking/wondering out loud. Or, online, if you will.
From the Kevin Hall study, and the post I saw from Dr. Attia, it did not appear that metabolism slowed after but return pretty much to baseline. It should also be noted that fat loss did not occur during this period.
More details: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/37452901#Comment_374529013 -
IF is a fantastic tool in the toolbox for getting into and maintaining a calorie deficit. Nothing more, nothing less. When I cut, that's the tool I typically go for because it makes eating less a little easier for me.
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I started 16/8 IF by the recommendation of my doctor to lower my triglycerides. I lost 35 pounds and my triglycerides went from 485 to 67 in 5 months without medicine. My doctor said she's never seen something so drastic and credits the IF.3
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
@Wheelhouse15 off the top of my head I do not remember how LCHF/Keto has been proven to cause some increase in BMR. Since 90+ of cancer per some researchers is due to poor mitochondrial efficiencies I have been working to increase both the number and efficiencies of my mitochondrial so I expect KETO/LCHF does improve one's mitochondrial health that helps improve one's BMR. I did find the below that hints that may be the case in a passing comment.
telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/news/high-fat-cheese-the-secret-to-a-healthy-life/
"Bertram found that those who ate cheese had higher levels of butyric acid, a compound which has been been linked to reduced obesity and higher metabolism. The higher butyrate levels were linked to a reduction in cholesterol."
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4027835/
"The pathogenesis of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), the most commonly diagnosed functional gastrointestinal condition, is complex, and its precise mechanisms are still unclear. This article describes the potential benefits of butyric acid in IBS."
I always wondered why after 40 years of very serious IBS after the first 6 months of LCHF/Keto that that my IBS seemed to be cured and 18 months later has not returned so far. Butyric Acid may be the key to why LCHF/Keto/IF can lead to fat loss as well as other positive side effects.
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I don't know why but IF doesn't have a massive effect on my appetite all day long. When I eat first thing in the morning, I am starving all day long...so there is a little magic for me. I don't know why but it does add up to a sum greater than its parts for me.4
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Butyric acid (from Greek βούτῡρον, meaning "butter"... love that!1
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
@Wheelhouse15 off the top of my head I do not remember how LCHF/Keto has been proven to cause some increase in BMR. Since 90+ of cancer per some researchers is due to poor mitochondrial efficiencies I have been working to increase both the number and efficiencies of my mitochondrial so I expect KETO/LCHF does improve one's mitochondrial health that helps improve one's BMR. I did find the below that hints that may be the case in a passing comment.
telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/news/high-fat-cheese-the-secret-to-a-healthy-life/
"Bertram found that those who ate cheese had higher levels of butyric acid, a compound which has been been linked to reduced obesity and higher metabolism. The higher butyrate levels were linked to a reduction in cholesterol."
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4027835/
"The pathogenesis of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), the most commonly diagnosed functional gastrointestinal condition, is complex, and its precise mechanisms are still unclear. This article describes the potential benefits of butyric acid in IBS."
I always wondered why after 40 years of very serious IBS after the first 6 months of LCHF/Keto that that my IBS seemed to be cured and 18 months later has not returned so far. Butyric Acid may be the key to why LCHF/Keto/IF can lead to fat loss as well as other positive side effects.
Thanks, I'll look into those references. So butyrate acid is the key? Interesting.0 -
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
@Wheelhouse15 off the top of my head I do not remember how LCHF/Keto has been proven to cause some increase in BMR. Since 90+ of cancer per some researchers is due to poor mitochondrial efficiencies I have been working to increase both the number and efficiencies of my mitochondrial so I expect KETO/LCHF does improve one's mitochondrial health that helps improve one's BMR. I did find the below that hints that may be the case in a passing comment.
telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/news/high-fat-cheese-the-secret-to-a-healthy-life/
"Bertram found that those who ate cheese had higher levels of butyric acid, a compound which has been been linked to reduced obesity and higher metabolism. The higher butyrate levels were linked to a reduction in cholesterol."
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4027835/
"The pathogenesis of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), the most commonly diagnosed functional gastrointestinal condition, is complex, and its precise mechanisms are still unclear. This article describes the potential benefits of butyric acid in IBS."
I always wondered why after 40 years of very serious IBS after the first 6 months of LCHF/Keto that that my IBS seemed to be cured and 18 months later has not returned so far. Butyric Acid may be the key to why LCHF/Keto/IF can lead to fat loss as well as other positive side effects.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't increased mitochondrial efficiency actually lead to the exact opposite? Decreased BMR?6 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
@Wheelhouse15 off the top of my head I do not remember how LCHF/Keto has been proven to cause some increase in BMR. Since 90+ of cancer per some researchers is due to poor mitochondrial efficiencies I have been working to increase both the number and efficiencies of my mitochondrial so I expect KETO/LCHF does improve one's mitochondrial health that helps improve one's BMR. I did find the below that hints that may be the case in a passing comment.
telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/news/high-fat-cheese-the-secret-to-a-healthy-life/
"Bertram found that those who ate cheese had higher levels of butyric acid, a compound which has been been linked to reduced obesity and higher metabolism. The higher butyrate levels were linked to a reduction in cholesterol."
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4027835/
"The pathogenesis of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), the most commonly diagnosed functional gastrointestinal condition, is complex, and its precise mechanisms are still unclear. This article describes the potential benefits of butyric acid in IBS."
I always wondered why after 40 years of very serious IBS after the first 6 months of LCHF/Keto that that my IBS seemed to be cured and 18 months later has not returned so far. Butyric Acid may be the key to why LCHF/Keto/IF can lead to fat loss as well as other positive side effects.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't increased mitochondrial efficiency actually lead to the exact opposite? Decreased BMR?
yes. yes it does.4 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »Bring back your metabolism to normal:
http://www.muscleforlife.com/reverse-diet/
Interesting article. Since I eat LCHF that by default typically increases BMR I have never done it but have seen it mentioned on some body building sites when researching LCHF.
How does Keto increase BMR? Do you have any references? This is something I'm not familiar with (and honestly curious in) since BMR is normally tightly regulated by several processes including mitochondrial efficiencies and T3.
@Wheelhouse15 off the top of my head I do not remember how LCHF/Keto has been proven to cause some increase in BMR. Since 90+ of cancer per some researchers is due to poor mitochondrial efficiencies I have been working to increase both the number and efficiencies of my mitochondrial so I expect KETO/LCHF does improve one's mitochondrial health that helps improve one's BMR. I did find the below that hints that may be the case in a passing comment.
telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/news/high-fat-cheese-the-secret-to-a-healthy-life/
"Bertram found that those who ate cheese had higher levels of butyric acid, a compound which has been been linked to reduced obesity and higher metabolism. The higher butyrate levels were linked to a reduction in cholesterol."
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4027835/
"The pathogenesis of irritable bowel syndrome (IBS), the most commonly diagnosed functional gastrointestinal condition, is complex, and its precise mechanisms are still unclear. This article describes the potential benefits of butyric acid in IBS."
I always wondered why after 40 years of very serious IBS after the first 6 months of LCHF/Keto that that my IBS seemed to be cured and 18 months later has not returned so far. Butyric Acid may be the key to why LCHF/Keto/IF can lead to fat loss as well as other positive side effects.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't increased mitochondrial efficiency actually lead to the exact opposite? Decreased BMR?
Actually, this is one of the noted changes in Adaptive Thermogenesis so I would assume that it would lower BMR since any increase in efficiency in an energy system will tend to reduce the energy requirements.1 -
I don't know why but IF doesn't have a massive effect on my appetite all day long. When I eat first thing in the morning, I am starving all day long...so there is a little magic for me. I don't know why but it does add up to a sum greater than its parts for me.
@ogtmama I think IF like Keto or LCHF we have to become fat adapted before IF may work. Getting into ketosis the first time took me a couple weeks I think. IF as I see it just LCHF. We are low carb because we are not eating and we are high fat because we're burning body fat.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »I don't know why but IF doesn't have a massive effect on my appetite all day long. When I eat first thing in the morning, I am starving all day long...so there is a little magic for me. I don't know why but it does add up to a sum greater than its parts for me.
@ogtmama I think IF like Keto or LCHF we have to become fat adapted before IF may work. Getting into ketosis the first time took me a couple weeks I think. IF as I see it just LCHF. We are low carb because we are not eating and we are high fat because we're burning body fat.
But not all IF goes for fat adaptation so what happens to those who are doing a higher carb variation? You won't normally run out of Glycogen on a 16:8 unless you are highly active but then you'll just replenish during your eating window. Also, what do you consider fat adaptation. My understanding is that most Keto dieters talk about fat/keto adaptation as being after they lose the fog and fatigue symptoms but from a biological standpoint it actually happens within a few days. I don't see IF being able to consider themselves fat adapted unless they are eating a ketogenic diet on the IF.
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »cerise_noir wrote: »rightoncommander wrote: »
Your body burns fat whether you're fasting or not and you have to be in a calorie deficit to burn fat.
You're half right. You do not have to fast to burn fat, but you don't have to be in calorie deficit, either. It's a standard part of the human body's energy system. Of course, if you're not in calorie deficit you will store more than you burn, but that's beside the point!
Regarding IF, I tried the 5/2 version. It got me started on weight loss, it was easy and didn't involve unrealistic changes to my actual diet. I liked it. I don't know whether it helped anything else, as I didn't have any blood work done at any point. It's certainly sustainable, although I can't imagine myself fasting 2 days/week long term. There's a lot of pseudo-science, on both sides of the mostly silly, petty arguments that have blown up around the idea.
For me, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If someone loses weight in a way that doesn't jeopardise their health, it's very silly to tell them, "You're doing it wrong!" If there is patchy evidence that they are experiencing additional health benefits, let's ask for more research, rather than just assume that if there isn't conclusive proof right now, it must be bunkum. This is a new area of research, and evidence takes time to accumulate.
As for paleo and all its variants, I am not convinced that modern healthy eating is best served by guessing what hunter-gatherers would have eaten. You can't test your theories on people who are long dead. The argument should be, "Eat this way because evidence suggests it's better for you." NOT "Eat this way because hunter-gatherers would have eaten this way".
Are you saying that we can burn fat during maintenance or even surplus? Can you please explain this a little more? My understanding is that one has to eat less calories than their body needs to maintain its current weight in order for fat loss to occur. How is it possible to lose weight during maintenance and surplus? Are you referring to body recomp?
He is correct, the part after what you have in bold explained it but was a little cryptic. Essentially, you are always burning fat for energy but you are also storing it as well. The difference between fat lose and fat gain depends on the balance of energy between what you take in and what you burn off.
That makes a little more sense, yes. Thank you.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »I don't know why but IF doesn't have a massive effect on my appetite all day long. When I eat first thing in the morning, I am starving all day long...so there is a little magic for me. I don't know why but it does add up to a sum greater than its parts for me.
@ogtmama I think IF like Keto or LCHF we have to become fat adapted before IF may work. Getting into ketosis the first time took me a couple weeks I think. IF as I see it just LCHF. We are low carb because we are not eating and we are high fat because we're burning body fat.
IF need not be LCHF at all. I've considered doing 5:2 or even 16:8 (I used to eat that way for periods of time and never found it difficult), and read about it, and LCHF wasn't an element.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »I don't know why but IF doesn't have a massive effect on my appetite all day long. When I eat first thing in the morning, I am starving all day long...so there is a little magic for me. I don't know why but it does add up to a sum greater than its parts for me.
@ogtmama I think IF like Keto or LCHF we have to become fat adapted before IF may work. Getting into ketosis the first time took me a couple weeks I think. IF as I see it just LCHF. We are low carb because we are not eating and we are high fat because we're burning body fat.
IF need not be LCHF at all. I've considered doing 5:2 or even 16:8 (I used to eat that way for periods of time and never found it difficult), and read about it, and LCHF wasn't an element.
Oh, I missed that one. No, IF'ing isn't necessarily low carbing by any means. Certainly not the way I do it. I'm 16:8 and my diet is 50% carbs.2
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