If I cut out bread will that help loosing weight?
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ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »AdamAthletic wrote: »
A calorie is simply a measurement of a chemical reaction within your body - fats, carbs and proteins all have a calorific value to them as a base minimum and then are generally surrounded by other content factors.ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Chicken might be majorly protein, however the substance coating the chicken will likely be carbohydrate based (BBQ glaze, etc - chicken skin mainly consists of fats).
A calorie can never be anything other than a calorie because it isn't a nutrient, it's a way to measure the body's ability to displace energy.
Excess energy that isn't used as ATP and released is stored by the body as added bodyfat.
No mater how you choose to attain a calorie deficit, it will still be a calorie deficit regardless consistency of protein, fats or carbs.
Body composition is an entirely different beast but calories are relatively simple when you see them as what they are.
This is not in any way related to what I said at all. I said I did NOT change my calories. I continued with the same intake that I had previously when I was NOT losing weight. The only thing I changed was carbs, and obviously that made a difference in my protein and fat intake. But calories did not change.
Out of curiosity were you calorie counting when you were not losing weight and for how long did you maintain that diet while calorie counting and not losing weight before you made the change?
Yes I was calorie counting when I was actually sometimes gaining. I was at 187 lbs and rising slowly. This went on for the better part of the last 6 years. I was frustrated and decided to keep up with everything from fat to sodium. I reduced my carbohydrate intake from around 400 (sometimes more) to 200 and started seeing a slow weight loss. Still doing between 1450-1500 calories, but I have changed what those calories come from. I could get into some long discussion as to all the ways all those carbs were affecting me in my day to day but I will spare you the speech. I know people who may not have the same experience would have a difficult time understanding this or even believing it. I spent such a very long time hearing and believing that "a calorie is a calorie, it's not what you eat but how much". This never rang true for me in any way. For what ever the reason.
With that, It's time for bed. Good night.
You clearly weren't calorie counting accurately to a defecit
Because mass is not created out of nothing
400g carbs = 1600 calories ...add your fat and protein and you are overeating => weight gain
Or are you implying 400 calories in carbs which means 100g carbs which is already low carb
You have changed your calorie accuracy and found your method of adherence
You have not become a medical miracle or scientific freak who gains on a defecit ...your experience is valid, your belief in how it came about is simply incorrect and unsubstantiated by basic science
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I personally am doing a low sugar and low sodium path...health reasons. I'm not sure you have on your diary a section for tracking sodium, seems that it's not on younger people diaries...but as I'm over a certain age, it tracks how much sodium I intake. Breads, even the whole grain ones, have more sodium than the average person realizes. Then if you drinking lots of liquids on top of the sodium what do you think happens? Bloating.
Don't get me wrong I eat bread, one slice a day (60 calories). For it's size it still has a lot of sodium. Check your foods that you are eat and watch your sodium intake. Read up on it. Low sugar is a fascinating topic too. Naturally occuring sugar in food (fruits) is good. Fruit juice minus its fiber, not so good. Refined and added sugars goes into your system as glucose, which your body needs, just not a lot of it. Excess glucose causes the liver to store it as fat, first in the liver (ever hear of non-alcoholic fatty liver?), then it stores excess elsewhere, like your belly. Like I said fascinating. In the past 5 days my belly has shrunk, and I've lost weight. Mostly water, but that is how glucose is transported, through water. Less glucose, less water. When there is no excess glucose, your body start burning fat to get the glucose. Do your own research. People say it doesn't matter what you eat as long as it's less calories than you burn, but your body is amazingly picky on which calories it burns first.
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mysteps2beauty wrote: »
I personally am doing a low sugar and low sodium path...health reasons. I'm not sure you have on your diary a section for tracking sodium, seems that it's not on younger people diaries...but as I'm over a certain age, it tracks how much sodium I intake. Breads, even the whole grain ones, have more sodium than the average person realizes. Then if you drinking lots of liquids on top of the sodium what do you think happens? Bloating.
Don't get me wrong I eat bread, one slice a day (60 calories). For it's size it still has a lot of sodium. Check your foods that you are eat and watch your sodium intake. Read up on it. Low sugar is a fascinating topic too. Naturally occuring sugar in food (fruits) is good. Fruit juice minus its fiber, not so good. Refined and added sugars goes into your system as glucose, which your body needs, just not a lot of it. Excess glucose causes the liver to store it as fat, first in the liver (ever hear of non-alcoholic fatty liver?), then it stores excess elsewhere, like your belly. Like I said fascinating. In the past 5 days my belly has shrunk, and I've lost weight. Mostly water, but that is how glucose is transported, through water. Less glucose, less water. When there is no excess glucose, your body start burning fat to get the glucose. Do your own research. People say it doesn't matter what you eat as long as it's less calories than you burn, but your body is amazingly picky on which calories it burns first.
Actually, if you consume sodium and then drink a lot of water (or other liquids without much sodium), the sodium leaves your cells and gets flushed out.
Also, glucose is naturally occurring. It's in fruits and veggies, just like fructose. Glucose won't make you fat, and it won't make your body store or burn fat any faster, as long as you're in a calorie deficit.3 -
If I try cutting out bread will that help me loose weight and not be bloated anymore? I'm having a hard time loosing weight. I'm trying to incorporate more meat and chicken. I'm trying to loose a pound a week. Any suggestions? Thanks!
Simply eat fewer calories than you are burning.
Personally, I actually added bread to my diet. I rarely ate it before I started with MFP, but when I started here I began to crave it. So I started eating a slice or two a day.
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If I try cutting out bread will that help me loose weight and not be bloated anymore? I'm having a hard time loosing weight. I'm trying to incorporate more meat and chicken. I'm trying to loose a pound a week. Any suggestions? Thanks!
You lose weight by eating at a calorie deficit, not by cutting certain foods out. Weight loss is all about eating less calories than you burn, not food type.
How much do you have to lose? What are your stats?1 -
ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
I am curious as to why you think a calorie is not a calorie when it comes to weight loss. You have to be in a calorie deficit to lose weight, so if you've lost weight you are in a calorie deficit. You have to decrease calories somewhere, and some people do choose to cut out certain foods or to simply cut back. Also, cutting carbs leads to water loss not fat loss.3 -
ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.0 -
It only helped by cutting down my calories (and I was eating 4 slices of toast at breakfast, just for starters!!). I miss bread.....
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ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat1 -
hereforthelolz wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat
Correct, protein will not make you fat, but a surplus of calories certainly will.
If the bulk of your calories are protein and you eat at an overall surplus you will gain weight.
You have posted opinion articles, which are not reliable sources because opinions are a dime a dozen. I would like to see some peer reviewed studies to back up your claims.7 -
I tend to focus on foods that are high in
nutrition, ie high in vitamins, minerals, phytochemicals. to help my body work at it's optimum.
fiber
water
And not too high in fat.
the thing with bread , per weight there isn't a whole lot of water in it, and it's not low in fat.
so means it has a lot of calories, per weight.
Bread is only 35 % water.
74 calories per ounce
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/baked-products/4872/2
Compare that to something that some of us think are sinful : avocados :)
While avocados aren't low in fat, but there's alot of water in them!!
Avocados are 72% water
47 calories per ounce.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/1844/2
for me, i much rather eat avocado, with roughly 2/3 the calories of bread, per weight.
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Aaron_K123 wrote: »I'm losing weight and I eat bread - killer Dave 60 cal bread. Bloating is an issue for some folks with bread.
Ive heard this before. Out of curiosity why do people care about bloating? Its not fat, its just water retention...has no bearing on your health or fitness. So why do people care? They really want a particular number on their scale or its an aesthetic thing?
Uncomfortable, painful, you look like you are 7 months pregnant in a matter of hours. Your wardrobe needs clothes in larger sizes just to have something to wear.
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I chose to cut bread out of my diet completely, bread was my guilty pleasure I couldn't control myself with it. Every time I had a sandwich I couldn't have 2 slices I'd have 6 0
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hereforthelolz wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat
Correct, protein will not make you fat, but a surplus of calories certainly will. If the bulk of your calories are protein and you eat at an overall surplus you will gain weight.
You have posted opinion articles, which are not reliable sources because opinions are a dime a dozen. I would like to see some peer reviewed studies to back up your claims.
Those articles include links to or data from actual studies.
Also, while you might gain weight from eating a surplus of protein or carbs, you will NOT gain fat.0 -
Only if it causes you to be in a calorie deficit. No food, apart from its caloric content, has any property that can cause you to gain or lose weight0
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hereforthelolz wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat
Excess protein will make you fat.
http://www.rsc.org/Education/Teachers/Resources/cfb/excretion.htm
"The body is unable to store proteins or amino acids, the metabolites of proteins. When excessive amounts of protein are ingested, the excess amino acids produced from digesting proteins are transported to the liver from the small intestine.
When amino acids are absorbed by liver cells a series of chemical reactions begins. The amino acid is oxidised in the presence of an enzyme catalyst. At the same time the amine group, -NH2, and a hydrogen atom, H, are removed from the main structure of the amino acid. The important product of this reaction is ammonia. The amine group is reduced to ammonia by the addition of a hydrogen atom. This process is called deamination. The non-nitrogenous portion of the molecule is converted to carbohydrates or fats."hereforthelolz wrote: »hereforthelolz wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat
Correct, protein will not make you fat, but a surplus of calories certainly will. If the bulk of your calories are protein and you eat at an overall surplus you will gain weight.
You have posted opinion articles, which are not reliable sources because opinions are a dime a dozen. I would like to see some peer reviewed studies to back up your claims.
Those articles include links to or data from actual studies.
Also, while you might gain weight from eating a surplus of protein or carbs, you will NOT gain fat.
Then every overeating vegan would be a ripped bodybuilder even the ones who never step foot in a gym. You can tell how ridiculous that claim is.hereforthelolz wrote: »
A calorie IS a calorie.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/5/899S.full
See the difference between your links and mine? They're reputable scientific sources.10 -
hereforthelolz wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat
Correct, protein will not make you fat, but a surplus of calories certainly will. If the bulk of your calories are protein and you eat at an overall surplus you will gain weight.
You have posted opinion articles, which are not reliable sources because opinions are a dime a dozen. I would like to see some peer reviewed studies to back up your claims.
Yes.. to all of this..
@hereforthelolz Nice try though.. I also will be interested in the peer reviewed studies..
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You could solely eat bread and lose weight if you wanted to...............
Weight loss is caused by a caloric deficit.2 -
Last post on this thread. I have a busy day ahead of me. If "a calorie is a calorie" was in any way true NO ONE here would be tracking macros. IT MATTERS where those calories come from. So to all the people who are talking out of both sides of their mouths on this you need to stop and really think. Calories (as has been stated by someone further up I do not remember who) are not a nutrient or component of food such as carbohydrates, fat or protein. They are not a "thing". They are the energy required to burn up that food. What is IN the food that requires burning matters. Your insulin levels matter, and carbohydrates DO affect your insulin directly. Too many carbs (as anything else) are not going to help you. No one said a person could NOT lose weight by consuming bread or carbohydrate, and I NEVER said that what applies to me absolutely applies to every other human being in the whole wide world. Because it may not apply to every other human being in the whole wide world does not exclude me from the freedom to post my thoughts. I gave my take on the issue posted here by the original poster. The same as everyone else. I am sure the original poster does not need 700 posts of people quoting and battling one another. The info being sought gets lost in the argument and in no way does it benefit those who wish to have an answer to the question they are asking. Anyone else who has something to say in any effort to twist my words or to put words into my mouth is welcome to PM. I am no longer following this thread and any comments will go unseen by me. Have a nice day!4
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