If I cut out bread will that help loosing weight?
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Why do people interpret things in the opposite of what is intended?2
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You would be incorrect then. A calorie is a unit of measurement and that DOESN'T CHANGE regardless of what the source is.ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie.
Reducing carbs greatly reduces the amount of water and glycogen you store. For many up to 10lbs or more of stored glycogen and water. Which is NOT fat weight of course.I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Here's the catch though: you have a day or two of high carbs, one could EASILY gain 5-10lbs of weight in a couple of days restoring that glycogen and water.
Unless one is going to forego eating carbs regularly after reaching goal weight, abstaining from them just to lose weight is just another diet fad.
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Adjusting macros can result in lowering overall calories if it curbs or blunts appetite. Bread increases my appetite. Eating too much protein can make me gain weight. None of this changes the fact that obviously eating less calories results in weight loss.0
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Clarify. So you're saying you ate at maintenance, then just cut carbs and lost weight? That's NOT fat weight if you're eating at maintenance.ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »AdamAthletic wrote: »
A calorie is simply a measurement of a chemical reaction within your body - fats, carbs and proteins all have a calorific value to them as a base minimum and then are generally surrounded by other content factors.ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Chicken might be majorly protein, however the substance coating the chicken will likely be carbohydrate based (BBQ glaze, etc - chicken skin mainly consists of fats).
A calorie can never be anything other than a calorie because it isn't a nutrient, it's a way to measure the body's ability to displace energy.
Excess energy that isn't used as ATP and released is stored by the body as added bodyfat.
No mater how you choose to attain a calorie deficit, it will still be a calorie deficit regardless consistency of protein, fats or carbs.
Body composition is an entirely different beast but calories are relatively simple when you see them as what they are.
This is not in any way related to what I said at all. I said I did NOT change my calories. I continued with the same intake that I had previously when I was NOT losing weight. The only thing I changed was carbs, and obviously that made a difference in my protein and fat intake. But calories did not change.
To lose excess weight, one eats at a calorie deficit regardless of their approach.
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N1keS0cc8rRunne7 wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Fat is stored if you overeat from any of the macros. If you overeat protein, if you overeat fat, if you overeat carbs...doesn't matter the macro, it matters that you are overeating. Carbs are not somehow unique in that regard. Now it is quite possible that for you personally you struggled with satiation eating carbohydrates and found it much easier to establish a consistant deficit if you avoided carbs in which case sure, stick with that. But your assumption that what works for you works for everyone is just wrong. For some people avoiding carbs is going to make their diet and weightloss harder, not easier, because some people find carbs satisfying.
U're so technical...i mean, there is no need to over think all this... just eat everything except watch the portions and exercise like cardio...and just lose weight, meet people and move on...
While weight loss may be simple (create a calorie deficit) it isn't easy and there are many things which come into play which can influence adherence and long term success, things like playing around with different macro splits for satiety. Additionally, there is a tremendous amount of pseudoscience and just flat out wrong information that is perpetuated about what is required to lose weight (things like having to cut bread in order to lose or posters in this very thread who insist calories from certain types of foods will be stored as fat in a deficit, or that certain calories can't be stored as fat). Dispelling those myths with actual science, from someone who is an actual scientist like @Aaron_K123 is a much needed and often lacking perspective lately on these boards. So while you may think it's too technical, I think it is a great way of explaining something that some find to be too "sciencey" in a way that those without chemistry and biology degrees can understand.6 -
Why do people interpret things in the opposite of what is intended?
I actually thought your post was perfectly clear and I agree.
Well, I'm one of those people who find I naturally eat less when I eat more protein, so actually increased protein some when cutting calories (decreased fat most, since it's not filling for me, also don't find bread filling at all), but I don't think that's inconsistent with your point -- it all comes down to what foods are easiest/hardest for us to overeat.0 -
What I want to know is how much bread the OP eats a day where it will make that much of a difference? And when she says bread does she mean bread, pastry, pastas, etc. or really just bread?0
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stevencloser wrote: »hereforthelolz wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat
Excess protein will make you fat.
http://www.rsc.org/Education/Teachers/Resources/cfb/excretion.htm
"The body is unable to store proteins or amino acids, the metabolites of proteins. When excessive amounts of protein are ingested, the excess amino acids produced from digesting proteins are transported to the liver from the small intestine.
When amino acids are absorbed by liver cells a series of chemical reactions begins. The amino acid is oxidised in the presence of an enzyme catalyst. At the same time the amine group, -NH2, and a hydrogen atom, H, are removed from the main structure of the amino acid. The important product of this reaction is ammonia. The amine group is reduced to ammonia by the addition of a hydrogen atom. This process is called deamination. The non-nitrogenous portion of the molecule is converted to carbohydrates or fats."hereforthelolz wrote: »hereforthelolz wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat
Correct, protein will not make you fat, but a surplus of calories certainly will.
If the bulk of your calories are protein and you eat at an overall surplus you will gain weight.
You have posted opinion articles, which are not reliable sources because opinions are a dime a dozen. I would like to see some peer reviewed studies to back up your claims.
Those articles include links to or data from actual studies.
Also, while you might gain weight from eating a surplus of protein or carbs, you will NOT gain fat.
Then every overeating vegan would be a ripped bodybuilder even the ones who never step foot in a gym. You can tell how ridiculous that claim is.hereforthelolz wrote: »
A calorie IS a calorie.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/5/899S.full
See the difference between your links and mine? They're reputable scientific sources.
First of all, where do you get this idea that vegans don't eat fat? That's ridiculous. Second, while my links are not directly to scientific studies, they do cite their sources which are just as reputable as yours.1 -
hereforthelolz wrote: »hereforthelolz wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat
Correct, protein will not make you fat, but a surplus of calories certainly will. If the bulk of your calories are protein and you eat at an overall surplus you will gain weight.
You have posted opinion articles, which are not reliable sources because opinions are a dime a dozen. I would like to see some peer reviewed studies to back up your claims.
Those articles include links to or data from actual studies.
Also, while you might gain weight from eating a surplus of protein or carbs, you will NOT gain fat.
Wait, people who bulk by only increasing protein intake will have 100% gain of muscle? They never need to do a cut cycle after a bulk? What if you increase your surplus to 2000 calories above your TDEE, all protein? That would be levels far exceeding what most people would consider a "dirty bulk", but as long as the 2000 calories is pure protein, the individual would not gain one ounce of fat?
Really?
No, not unless they completely stop eating fat, which is dangerous. You will gain fat too, but only proportionate to the amount you eat.0 -
ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
So is everything else you eat if you eat more than you burn...2 -
If you need to eat 1500 calories per day (or whatever your number is) to lose 2 lbs per week, and you choose to eat 1500 calories worth of french fries or potato chips or candy bars per day then you will lose 2lbs per week. There is nothing further, any time you "if", "and", or "but" you are just further complicating a simple matter.4
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hereforthelolz wrote: »
If cooked food has more energy then it has more calories by definition given that a calorie is the unit of measure for energy when it comes to food.
You cannot say that cooked food has the same calories as uncooked food and then say cooked food has more energy than uncooked food, that is an oxymoron.
What you are saying is that what is listed on the side of a box can change if you process the food in some way which is true but that doesn't mean a calorie isn't a calorie that just means you find that suprising apparently and feel like a box should give you calories for every possible way you would process the food inside that box somehow.
Yes, accurately tracking your calorie intake is more complicated than simply counting up numbers on boxes. You use that as a starting point, be consistant in your logging, find out what happens to your body over a long period of time compared to what you expected to happen on the basis of your logging and then adjust accordingly from the actual data.
That doesn't mean a calorie is not a calorie.4 -
hereforthelolz wrote: »hereforthelolz wrote: »hereforthelolz wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat
Correct, protein will not make you fat, but a surplus of calories certainly will. If the bulk of your calories are protein and you eat at an overall surplus you will gain weight.
You have posted opinion articles, which are not reliable sources because opinions are a dime a dozen. I would like to see some peer reviewed studies to back up your claims.
Those articles include links to or data from actual studies.
Also, while you might gain weight from eating a surplus of protein or carbs, you will NOT gain fat.
Wait, people who bulk by only increasing protein intake will have 100% gain of muscle? They never need to do a cut cycle after a bulk? What if you increase your surplus to 2000 calories above your TDEE, all protein? That would be levels far exceeding what most people would consider a "dirty bulk", but as long as the 2000 calories is pure protein, the individual would not gain one ounce of fat?
Really?
No, not unless they completely stop eating fat, which is dangerous. You will gain fat too, but only proportionate to the amount you eat.
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*groan*hereforthelolz wrote: »
A calorie is a unit of energy. Saying a calorie is not a calorie is exactly like saying an inch is not a inch.
Both those sources are....bogus, sorry. Not scientific peer reviewed.hereforthelolz wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat
True, yes...but if you eat protein on top of your TDEE, guarantee that you'll gain fat.
Any macro eaten above your TDEE will cause fat/weight gain.2 -
hereforthelolz wrote: »hereforthelolz wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
Because no one has ever lost weight eating carbohydrates? Look, I'm happy that that worked for you but telling someone to not substitute carbs for other carbs because it won't work is only something you can say about yourself, you can't just apply that to other people. Perhaps doing that didn't work for you, that doesn't mean that it doesn't work.
Don't even try that junk with me. I did NOT say anything along the lines of what you are trying to put in my mouth. Carbs ARE stored as fat when we eat more than we burn. FACT. Whether you like it or not.
Well, any food is stored as fat when we eat more than we burn.
Not true either.
https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/protein-will-not-make-you-fat
Correct, protein will not make you fat, but a surplus of calories certainly will. If the bulk of your calories are protein and you eat at an overall surplus you will gain weight.
You have posted opinion articles, which are not reliable sources because opinions are a dime a dozen. I would like to see some peer reviewed studies to back up your claims.
Those articles include links to or data from actual studies.
Also, while you might gain weight from eating a surplus of protein or carbs, you will NOT gain fat.
Carbohydrates are metabolized into acetyl-CoA which can then feed into lipogenesis (fat creation). Proteins can be broken down into acetyl-CoA via oxidation and deamination which can also be used in lipogenesis. Protein can also be converted into alpha-ketones which are then fed into the Krebs cycle via alpha-ketoglutarate (Hence the term ketogenic for that metabolic pathway)
So I don't know why you think protein cannot be metabolised into fat in our bodies but your wrong.
For example. Arginine can go to glutamate can go to alphaketoglutarate can go to succinal CoA can go to Succinate can go to Fumarate can go to Malate can go to Oxaloacetate can go to Phosphoenolpyruvate can go to acetyl-CoA can go into lipogenesis and atoms in the protein source end up in fats.
Don't believe me? Put down T-nation and pick up a biochemistry textbook and look it up.
I don't understand why you think that it makes sense that our bodies cannot metabolically process protein. Protein gets converted to metabolic intermediates which can flow into any number of anabolic or catabolic processes including lipogenesis.
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If I try cutting out bread will that help me loose weight and not be bloated anymore? I'm having a hard time loosing weight. I'm trying to incorporate more meat and chicken. I'm trying to loose a pound a week. Any suggestions? Thanks!
I limit my carbs for the most part if I'm not getting in good lift sessions, however it's not necessary to cut them out completely. The better alternative is to sub out basic carbs for complex carbs. Choose whole wheat over white bread, eat quinoa instead of rice, oatmeal instead of sweetened cereal. Also, try to minimize the intake, have carbs with only one meal instead of all three, don't snack on them, etc.
I do notice a bit more bloat on days when I eat a ton of carbs, but it could be all in my head. Who knows!1 -
it comes down to CALORIES IN VS CALORIES OUT. if you are expending more calories than you are consuming, you should lose weight. If you like bread, find a way to incorporate it into your eating plan. if you are eating white bread and you feel bloated, change to 100% whole wheat bread and find out if that causes you to feel bloated too.0
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I just reduced bread by not eating it with dinner or breakfast. I often have some whole grain bread at lunch as a sandwich.0
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1146690/pdf/biochemj00281-0019.pdf
That is a study in which they fed rats dietary precursors labeled with radioactive carbon 14C. That allowed them to determine where in the bodies of the rats the carbons in those sources ended up. Carbons from leucine and valine (protein amino acids) were both found in fatty acids within the rats.
From the study:
"There was little phenotypic difference in the fraction of leucine or valine catabolized. The results presented here suggest that the high rate of lipogenesis found in the obese rat is supported by carbon from all the dietary precursors studied."
"The fate of carbon derived from the amino acids
leucine and valine was also different between phenotypes
at 25 days of age. Table 4 shows that there was no
significant difference in the fraction of leucine carbon
expired as CO2 between the phenotypes, but that a greater
proportion of leucine carbon was incorporated into fatty
acid in the obese rat as compared with the lean animal
and that this was at the expense of leucine carbon
incorporation into non-essential amino acids.
In contrast with leucine, the fraction of valine carbon
that was lost as CO2 in the obese rat was twice that found
in the lean animal (Table 5). Nevertheless, as with leucine,
a greater fraction of valine carbon was incorporated into
fatty acid in the obese rat. With both leucine and valine
of the 14C dose that could not be accounted
for by incorporation into protein, lipid and CO2 was less
than 2% in the obese rat. In the lean animal none of the
label derived from [U-14C]leucine was unaccounted for;
however, almost 20% of the label in[U-4C]valine could
not be accounted for by incorporation into protein lipid
and CO2
Tables 1-5 illustrate that the greatest proportion of
label in lipid was found in the saponifiable fraction (i.e. fatty acids)."
In otherwords they determined that in the rats that were overfed the vast majority of the radioactively labeled carbon sourced from protein (in the form of leucine and valine) ended up as fatty acid and even in the normal fed lean rat some of it did. So you are pretty much wrong and once again kind of demonstrates you shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet.5 -
ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I'm going to be the one to tell you that a calorie is not always a calorie. I have cut down on carbs in general and have lost 23 pounds with out changing my calories at all. So I am saying yes, as long as you do not replace those carbs with other carbs but rather with healthy fats and protein you will see positive results on the scale.
i am going to be the one that tells you are a dead wrong..
so you ate the exact same amount of calories and dropped 23 pounds? More than likely you replaced calorie dense carbs with less calorie dense foods and created a calorie deficit. Calorie type had nothing to do with it..5
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