This is why people gain weight, and why losing it is so hard.
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Very true. My friends tell me I eat like a bird b/c I rarely am able to eat 1/3rd of the food on my plate at a restaurant, but it's like I actually ate enough to feel full. I didn't just keep eating because it was there.
I was at a business lunch, and she asked if I didn't like my food b/c more than half of the food was still there but I was full. I think people don't know what a real portion is any more or what it feels like to be full and not stuffed.
Yeah - this happens to me all the time. Restaurant meal = meal at restaurant + leftovers for a day or two
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sunfastrose wrote: »Very true. My friends tell me I eat like a bird b/c I rarely am able to eat 1/3rd of the food on my plate at a restaurant, but it's like I actually ate enough to feel full. I didn't just keep eating because it was there.
I was at a business lunch, and she asked if I didn't like my food b/c more than half of the food was still there but I was full. I think people don't know what a real portion is any more or what it feels like to be full and not stuffed.
Yeah - this happens to me all the time. Restaurant meal = meal at restaurant + leftovers for a day or two
Ditto. And sometimes I order not even based on the restaurant eating. I order what will be good leftovers.
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cwolfman13 wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
And again, this is why you're obese. (you're technically obese right, by medical standards?). You're seriously going to need a paradigm shift. Learning to cook is a good start. Learning, knowing, the calorie content of foods is a good start. You're probably one who would really benefit from using a scale to weigh foods (when you do eat at home).RhapsodyWinters wrote: »I dunno man. I'm 5'4F (23 years old), GW is 130. I calculate my maintenance calorie intake for being 135 lb (without exercise) to be 1700. Right now, I'm not really suffering under the calorie restriction. Some things I have to sacrifice (Like eating more than two pieces of pizza ; ; ), but it's not like I'm starving. I should be okay to follow a maintenance restriction once I get to it. Especially since I'm certain my stomach will have shrunk some. And this is taking into account that I'm not..necessarily eating clean at the moment. Last night I had a Lean Pocket and a cup of those Green Giant Steamers: Lightly Sauced Macaroni and Cheese with Broccoli things. The other day I ate 4 pieces of pizza. I went a little over, but then I worked it off with some cardio.
And I do plan to remain active. I probably won't be as active. It might end up only being 3 days a week, or when I eat a particularly big meal. At that point I'd probably just buy an elliptical for my home instead of a gym membership.
That being said, I'm not a breakfast person. I never have been. When I eat breakfast, I don't feel any different. I stop being hungry momentarily, but then I'm hungry LONG before lunch starts. That lasts a bit, and then I'm hungry the last few hours of work, and the hour after when I get to the gym. Then I eat.
However, I grew up in a very low income household, and I grew up hungry...so I'm kind of used to it. I never had breakfast, and I also never really brought lunch to school either (which is probably why I gained the wait in the first place. When I got a job of my own, I was eating so much more food than I would have eaten).
Man, that pizza analogy hits me hard though, talkin about eating two pieces and four being "overboard". I can eat an entire pizza myself, and I don't mean on a dare or because someone said I couldn't. I mean like, I ate the last piece and reached for another one and said "well hell, I guess I ate it all". I hope my appetite shrinks like everyone says, but i feel like its gonna be really hard to maintain my goal weight when I get there.
It's gotta be a life style or as you say: it will be very difficult to maintain. That lifestyle can include some pizza. But, given your height, goal weight, and sedentary lifestyle, not a lot of pizza.
And I would add to this that there were a lot of things I could do four years ago when I started all of this that I can't do anymore simply because I'm smaller and can't fit that kind of food into my belly anymore...it just doesn't fit.
It's different for me. I could fit the same amount of foods or even more today as I could when I was 26 lbs heavier.
Frankly my appetite has become stronger and healthier so it's inevitable that I could eat more. But the difference now is foods are not that appealing to me, as in I have to eat or become out of control with it, when I don't need to eat!
I want to say to the OP that, no offense, but he needs to expand his horizon and stop being short sighted with foods. Right now foods seem to be his only joy. I'll go on a limb and say that foods probably tastes worse for obese people than they do to healthy people. At least with all the worries and guilt coming along. He is abusing foods and probably his joy is mediocre and ironically never enough! Get several new healthier hobbies, habits. Set up goals, like saving $$$ for a new car, etc. When your eating behavior gets in check, food amount will look right again (and not too little). Cheers.1 -
I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?2
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I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
That's what I do - I control my weight basing on weekly period and I don't even count calories. Basically I eat per requirement of activities (workout, sport), nutrition, obligation, etc, which are not the same everyday.1 -
I do it daily not weekly simply because I find prescribed cheat days or longer periods set me up for failure. Every other week I have a free 30 something hour period because my fiance comes and visits, it doesn't make sense to spend the 30 hours every other week I get with him counting my calories. It's also a set identifiable period. There's not way I can fudge the point it begins or ends, and it doesn't affect the precise counting I do every other day of the two weeks.
But if it works for you, do it. If you want to see if it works for you, do it. That's how people make it work, by finding out what works with their personality and weight. If it doesn't re-evaluate and try something else.7 -
So I just did a little experiment. I started out just trying to see how many calories I would be able to eat per day once I reach my goal weight. The number was shockingly low. My TDEE, not including any exercise, will be 1899. That number hit me hard, I don't know how I can possibly live my life eating that few calories. I mean right now It's one thing because I am working very hard to cut weight, but to look up and see that there is no light at the end of the tunnel, because maintenance is so low calorie, its very discouraging.
So here's were the experiment comes into play. I thought, you know what, I've never just booked out a normal "non deiting" day, lets see how many calories that is. So I went into MFP and loaded up what I would eat on a normal day. Over 4500 calories!!! HOLY S**T!!!! No wonder people get so fat so quickly without even realizing whats happening!
So my takeaway: I don't know whats worse, thinking about how easy it was to get this way without even realizing what was going on, or thinking about how miserable its going to be trying to eat at maintenance once I get to my goal weight.I'm 5'5'', my goal weight is 150 (which BMI tells me is at the very peak of Normal, just 1 lb away from overweight) and I work a job were I can't get up and walk around often. Comes out to 1899. Even if I take a walk/jog/run in the morning or evenings I'd really only pick up 200-300 calories.
I'm sure you're running it right- just want to play with/ballpark some numbers, if you don't mind: What's your age and height for BMR? I'm not a big believer in the accuracy of BMI for fat and weight.
I'm 27, 5'5'' and will (hopefully) weigh in the neighborhood of 150-155
What do you currently weigh? PM me if you'd like.
I try not to stress myself out with scales to often. I started at 280ish and I estimate I am in the 265 range now.
It seems low now but you aren't going from 4500 calories to 1899 this week- be a year or more probably beefore you get to 150 and start maintaining. You learn to eat less gradually and be satisfied. It takes time to make lasting changes. You also might get more active as you get smaller and get more calories.
Focus on meeting your current calorie goal.11 -
Maintenance is 1400 for me. Eat lots of nonstarchy vegetables to fill the hole.3
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I use a weekly overview of calorie intake because on my almost completely inactive days my net goal can just be too low (1340).
But it's true what people are saying about just not physically being able to eat as much the more you lose. I used to be able to eat at least half a large pizza with probably some sides in one sitting when I started. I'd be totally stuffed but I could and would do it. Now, usually, two or three slices and I'm done. Physically and mentally. I had a bit of a splurge day on Sunday as a friend was over for a catch up. It ended up coming out somewhere around 2500 calories, maybe a bit more (I think I forgot to see what damage the cheese did, heh) but I was completely and utterly stuffed and actually wouldn't want to eat like that every day, I'd feel bloated and sluggish and urgh.5 -
I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
It's all about what's going to work for you. Both approaches can work. Overall consistency and the ability to make it viable for YOU and YOUR mindset is going to be the key.3 -
Buy a bicycle. Lift a lot of heavy stuff. Look great naked. Eat all the foods you want. There's my tips that you can take to the bank.19
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I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need1 -
Also, 16/8 IF really helps my keep my calories in check. You may give it a whirl.7
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I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
I can eat a full small thin crust pizza with chicken , absolutely loaded to the gills with veg for around 600 calories from pizza pizza if it's any help.0 -
I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
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I also looked ahead to what maintenance will be like and I was very disappointed. I have had to change my attitude about long term reality.
I now view obesity like any other chronic condition such as asthma.
Asthma: A potentially deadly but controllable condition. I have to take meds twice a day for the rest of my life. When I am properly medicated, I feel perfectly healthy as if I don't even have it any more. But I can't stop taking the meds or it will come back again.
Obesity: A potentially deadly but controllable condition. When I get to goal weight I will feel like a normal healthy person, but I will have to continue to treat this condition for the rest of my life. The treatment is restriction of caloric intake to my maintenance level and monitoring my weight. If i stop the treatment, the obesity will come back again.
It's just another fact of my life and there's no use whining about it.26 -
Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"1 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.4 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Packerjohn wrote: »I have always counted calories daily, but I've read that some people say weekly is the way to go. Do any of you guys kinda not really worry about daily and concentrate on weekly? Eating heavy one day and light on another day to make up for it?
Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need
And your heath goes to *kitten*. Where are the fruits and veggies in this program?
For the OP. As you know 4500 calories is an insane amount on a regular basis, unless your a 200+ pound competitive athlete. As you work on cutting back you will get used to a lower number of calories. As been mentioned you can always up the activity.
Best of luck.
really bud?
Yes based on your suggested menu if this is suppose to be a common occurrence.
"Skip breakfast and eat 40g dry weight (non instant) oatmeal for lunch with peanut butter , have 3 slices of pizza for dinner. bam, full and satisfied and under cals for the day by a landslide. binge drink on Fridays. that is the plan you want and need"
Yes because my response was not flippant and was a 100% serious attempt at giving the OP a fully sustainable diet plan that he should adhere to daily; that approach and has worked well for users such as Sued0nim.
Talk to any dietitian about the advisability of something like that (i.e, no fruits and veggies).2 -
Your ticker states that you are at 0 pounds lost with 110 to go. Rather than stress yourself with trying to adjust from today's wants of cheese sauce and fried things in great abundance to 1899 calories in a maintenance that you haven't even learned to reach, focus instead on today, and what you are going to enjoy eating that is not so very slathered with cheese sauce or so abundant. My goal is to get to 160 lb. How? I don't know yet. I know how I got to 197. That's all I know so far. Three weeks ago I raised my calorie intake by 100 per day in order to slow my rate of weight loss as I approach my goal.14
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RhapsodyWinters wrote: »I dunno man. I'm 5'4F (23 years old), GW is 130. I calculate my maintenance calorie intake for being 135 lb (without exercise) to be 1700. Right now, I'm not really suffering under the calorie restriction. Some things I have to sacrifice (Like eating more than two pieces of pizza ; ; ), but it's not like I'm starving. I should be okay to follow a maintenance restriction once I get to it. Especially since I'm certain my stomach will have shrunk some. And this is taking into account that I'm not..necessarily eating clean at the moment. Last night I had a Lean Pocket and a cup of those Green Giant Steamers: Lightly Sauced Macaroni and Cheese with Broccoli things. The other day I ate 4 pieces of pizza. I went a little over, but then I worked it off with some cardio.
And I do plan to remain active. I probably won't be as active. It might end up only being 3 days a week, or when I eat a particularly big meal. At that point I'd probably just buy an elliptical for my home instead of a gym membership.
That being said, I'm not a breakfast person. I never have been. When I eat breakfast, I don't feel any different. I stop being hungry momentarily, but then I'm hungry LONG before lunch starts. That lasts a bit, and then I'm hungry the last few hours of work, and the hour after when I get to the gym. Then I eat.
However, I grew up in a very low income household, and I grew up hungry...so I'm kind of used to it. I never had breakfast, and I also never really brought lunch to school either (which is probably why I gained the wait in the first place. When I got a job of my own, I was eating so much more food than I would have eaten).
Man, that pizza analogy hits me hard though, talkin about eating two pieces and four being "overboard". I can eat an entire pizza myself, and I don't mean on a dare or because someone said I couldn't. I mean like, I ate the last piece and reached for another one and said "well hell, I guess I ate it all". I hope my appetite shrinks like everyone says, but i feel like its gonna be really hard to maintain my goal weight when I get there.
The bolded phrase shows your negative and gloomy way of thinking. You are using your stomach instead of your head and that approach will not lead to success. Change your frame of mind, learn how to cook simple meals, learn about nutrition and macros and exercise more, and you will slim down sooner than you think.
If there is a will, you will find the way.
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It is expected you change your life. This means finding a way to overcome any issues with attachment/emotional eating in order to eat "normally" as well as getting new habits, namely exercise. Once I recorded a binge, over 6,000 calories!!! That is not normal for any human being, and when I can finally be fully in control of my eating habits, I will already consider my lower maintenance calories as my new normal. 4
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So I just did a little experiment. I started out just trying to see how many calories I would be able to eat per day once I reach my goal weight. The number was shockingly low. My TDEE, not including any exercise, will be 1899. That number hit me hard, I don't know how I can possibly live my life eating that few calories. I mean right now It's one thing because I am working very hard to cut weight, but to look up and see that there is no light at the end of the tunnel, because maintenance is so low calorie, its very discouraging.
So here's were the experiment comes into play. I thought, you know what, I've never just booked out a normal "non deiting" day, lets see how many calories that is. So I went into MFP and loaded up what I would eat on a normal day. Over 4500 calories!!! HOLY S**T!!!! No wonder people get so fat so quickly without even realizing whats happening!
So my takeaway: I don't know whats worse, thinking about how easy it was to get this way without even realizing what was going on, or thinking about how miserable its going to be trying to eat at maintenance once I get to my goal weight.
My non-exercise maintenance amount is about 1500 cal. Yay. I was not pleased when I saw that.
My pre-MFP "normal" was about 2000 cal.
If I returned to my pre-MFP "normal", it would indeed mean a gradual gain.
Thank goodness for exercise.
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I'm still new to this app but I think for me the key is to take it one day at a time. Gotta learn to crawl before I can walk and while I'm still learning to crawl if I watch a fast paced runner go by and I focus on how I should be doing that one day I will wanna quit before I see much progress at all. After I master today's task I will be ready for tomorrow. Right now is all I have anyhow.38
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Here is the deal, man. You're short. I'm short. I'm five foot three and 48 years old, just for reference. 120 lb. This short-changes us on food, no getting around it. You must learn to prepare good food at home. Eating out or frozen pizzas and burritos and takeout is not going to do it with the TDEE you have.
Buy lean proteins, complex carbs, healthy fats such as olive oil to cook with, and a metric f***ton of nonstarchy vegetables. You don't have to be a chef. You can make sandwiches, baked potato, large portion of broccoli or green beans or large salad with low cal dressing, for example. Eggs are great for protein and low on calories. Oatmeal sticks with you instead of feeling like nothing, like a fattening donut. Measure all condiments, don't just dump on sour cream/butter/dressing randomly. Weigh every solid food so that you know how many calories it has. Estimating will make you fat. And be very moderate with alcohol as it is high calorie and low satisfaction, and gives you the munchies.
For greatest satisfaction, don't eat carbs alone. Always pair them with a protein. You'll digest the food more slowly, feel fuller longer, maintain stable blood sugar. Dips in blood sugar make you crave carbs and sugar. Don't go *too* low fat; that too is bad for satisfaction. And load up on those vegetables, in variety. You need the vitamins, fiber, and minerals. If you like mushrooms, add them to your meat dishes for more bulk and very few calories.
And work out like your life depends on it. Not just running or walking. Lift weights and lift heavy. By lifting and increasing your muscle mass, you will burn more calories all day every day. Your TDEE goes up when your muscle mass goes up. You are young and male, so that is hella possible for you. Even as an older female I have built some and it makes a big difference.
I've maintained my loss 3 years now by doing these things. I don't eat as much as I would left to my own devices, by any means, but neither do I run around starving. Your appetite will decrease (slowly) as you become accustomed to your new routine. The first month will be hardest. After month 3 you will be feeling much better and be satisfied more easily.30 -
I get it. I find it depressing too that something so enjoyable as eating has to be controlled.
I guess I put it in the same category as "I have to work to earn money to support myself", "I can't spend all my paycheque on shoes and chocolate", "even though I want to sleep in every day, I know I will feel better if I get up earlier and do some exercise", "I can't run as much as I want without thinking about it, I have to pay attention to distance and form and then I can do it with less chance of injury", "flossing really does keep my teeth healthier".
You know, all that boring grown up stuff!
I've lost weight before, but this time I'm not doing it with any great sense of anticipation. I'm accepting that eating better (better quality, appropriate quantities) is not something I find it easy, but it's something I need to do for the sake of my health and wellbeing - physical and mental.17 -
It's going to be hard, there's no getting around that fact. But, like someone else said, you have to "pick your hard" - staying fat is going to be hard as well, and likely to cause health problems at some point. (Of course thin people can have health issues too, but being overweight/obese makes certain ones more likely.)
The kind of foods you love to eat are high-calorie, and I'm afraid you're just going to have to train yourself to eat less of them. The good news is it can be done, but it'll take time and effort. And it's true what others have said, as you get smaller you'll both get used to eating less and feel satisfied with less. Starting out, though, it can be daunting. Don't look too far ahead, or all you'll see are obstacles. Concentrate on the here and now.
Learning to cook for yourself (if you can't already), even just a few simple meals, will be really helpful for you, as will finding lower-calorie substitutes for your favourite things if possible. I do understand though - when you really love pizza and are used to eating a whole one, the thought of only being able to have one or two slices just doesn't cut it! You can adapt to that, if you really want to.
Why not make a commitment to yourself that you'll try one new healthy/low-calorie food per week - a fruit or vegetable you've never tried, or a new recipe you like the sound of. I know that, as someone mentioned in another thread, a carrot is not a cake (but carrot cake IS yummy!
), but you may find some new favourites that you can add in to your diet. If you can learn to love at least some vegetables, you can fill yourself up on those and get away with eating less of the calorie-dense stuff while still feeling full. (If you're not keen on veg try roasting them - so long as you don't use a lot of oil it's a healthy and delicious way to serve them, and not too hard to prepare.)
You can do it - it'll be tough at the start, but if you really want it and you persevere then you really can. And as you lose weight you might find that you want to be more active, which will help you be able to eat more too!7 -
My maintenance will be around 1600 without exercise, so I know how you feel. But you WILL get less hungry. It takes me 2-4 weeks adjustment when iI get into a deficit and then I stop being hungry all thetime. My joyful foods (Chinese takeaways! Big bars of chocolate! ) become joyful treats and I enjoy them MORE than wheniI was eating them regularly. And you learn to love the other stuff, you really really do.
At the end of the day i'd rather deal with restricted calories than with joint pain, diabetes, panniculitis, heart problems and all the limitations of obesity.
I'm another one who looks at calories over the week, most days I eat 1200 but I'm aiming for a weekly average of 1500. Works well for me.1 -
@jbd3388 : you'll get used to it by the time you get there
When I reached Onederland I plugged in my maintenance calories on MFP and I thought "this is it. I will never ever be able to eat this much again on a regular basis". I stopped logging for a few months and didn't gain weight besides the normal fluctuations. I didn't feel deprived or felt like I wasn't eating what I wanted... So I want to believe you do get used to making better choices somehow as lots of people have told you already.
Lots of people who are writing in this thread have lost a lot of weight. Some of them gained it like you and me, by overeating creamy, fried, non nutritious things. But we start the journey and eventually some people make it there and manage to maintain. I hope you'll be among them7
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