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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't even eat meat. No Big Macs here. My big vice is popcorn. A whole-grain food. I air pop my own and spray it with olive oil.
The horror, because I like a Snickers bar every now and then. And some cookies. I'm still mad at Trader Joe's for no longer making my gluten free ginger snaps. BTW, Trixie, I actually need to avoid gluten since I have celiac disease, I'm not listening to psuedo science about it like you are.
They don't make those anymore? Those were really good.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I don't even eat meat. No Big Macs here. My big vice is popcorn. A whole-grain food. I air pop my own and spray it with olive oil.
The horror, because I like a Snickers bar every now and then. And some cookies. I'm still mad at Trader Joe's for no longer making my gluten free ginger snaps. BTW, Trixie, I actually need to avoid gluten since I have celiac disease, I'm not listening to psuedo science about it like you are.
They don't make those anymore? Those were really good.
I go once a week and keep looking. I haven't seen them in ages. I loved them with a cup of tea. And a serving felt nice, you know? Five cookies was great! They had such a nice gingery bite to them.0 -
Trixiegirl66 wrote: »Please all of you, go on a Big Mac bender. Talking to you people makes about as much sense as trying to talk to teens about the dangers of binge drinking or smoking. Again, we are what we eat - so yeah, good luck with that and have fun with the expedited aging process brought on by the inflammatory response of each and every burger that slides down the pie hole!
I would like to know the science supporting your Five Guys burgers bein somehow healthier than Big Macs. The burger from Five Guys is 840 calories; a Big Mc is 560. What in that extra 290 caliries mmake the burger from Five Guys healthier?5 -
For me CICO is a poor instrument due to:
- Estimation or measure calorie in
- Estimation or measure calorie out (your BMR is the majority here)
- How does your food choice affect your BMR, your hormones, regulation, etc?
Also fat loss and gain is not linear, e.g. if I weigh 100kg, and ate so that I would lose 1kg / week, would I be 20kg in 80 weeks? or vv if I ate so I gained 1 kg / week, would I be 350 kg in 5 years? - probably not...
The questions for me are:
- Why do we eat more than we need? - What is the cause? e.g. certain food might trigger cravings, or doesn't makes us full...
- Why are we having cravings?
- Why isn't our bodies regulating?
i.e. for me the type of food and macros are more important, and I believe this is highly individual
good summary from (https://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/):
Bottom Line: Different foods go through different metabolic pathways. Some foods can cause hormone changes that encourage weight gain, while other foods can increase satiety and boost the metabolic rate.2 -
Authority nutrition is not a good source8
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »
. Wow super unhealthy. How can anyone fit 560 calories into your day.
Just in case you didn't see it the first time. What is so absolutely horrible about this that eating it once in a while would put your health at huge risk.
It's not real meat. It's predominantly bleached beef that is unusable (in terms of things like roasts, etc). My DD works in fast food and has taken the time to read labels. She won't touch the stuff bc it is not "real" food. Btw, she's only 18 and can see the difference. I don't dispute CICO, I'm losing weight using it. The disparity is in the question of, is it nutritionally good for one's body? I will argue all day long that the answer to that is no.
As far as food affecting hormones. You bet your behind it does! Live in my world where my once 5yr old developed precocious puberty from the hormones in meat and dairy. It was her doctor who told us to use only non-hormone meat, dairy and avoid soy and we could likely stop it without using hormone drugs at 5yrs old. It took 6 months but we did stop it - using healthy, non-hormone foods. And yes, her doctor at the time was an MD.
So while wording may not be to your specifications, eating whole foods predominantly (because I like my treats as well) over eating horribly processed foods (like a Big Mac) does make a difference in one's health.
Moderation is always the key. In our home, the rule is 90% whole foods so that the 10% processed does not affect our health in a negative manner and allows for things like going out once in awhile or birthday parties, etc. without worrying about it. what we eat can go to either extreme. Neither extreme is good for us. Both put one in a ditch. As a good friend use to tell us, keep it between the ditches. This applies to most things in life. Including what we feed ourselves.
but hormones can also be disrupted by many things other than foods. certain diseases,health issues,medications,etc so you cant blame just food. The OP stated she fixed her hormone imbalances by basically cutting out certain things and eating better,which I dont see how thats possible when what her diary showed did not back up her claims(eating better and avoiding certain foods that cause these issues). as for precocious puberty its usually caused from problems with the ovaries, testicles, adrenal glands or pituitary gland.It can also be caused by tumors,defects in the brain,etc.Do you have proof that hormones in food is what caused your nieces issue? or is that just what your nieces parents believe?dr told you? etc?4 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: ». Wow super unhealthy. How can anyone fit 560 calories into your day.
Just in case you didn't see it the first time. What is so absolutely horrible about this that eating it once in a while would put your health at huge risk.
It's not real meat. It's predominantly bleached beef that is unusable (in terms of things like roasts, etc). My DD works in fast food and has taken the time to read labels. She won't touch the stuff bc it is not "real" food. Btw, she's only 18 and can see the difference. I don't dispute CICO, I'm losing weight using it. The disparity is in the question of, is it nutritionally good for one's body? I will argue all day long that the answer to that is no.
As far as food affecting hormones. You bet your behind it does! Live in my world where my once 5yr old developed precocious puberty from the hormones in meat and dairy. It was her doctor who told us to use only non-hormone meat, dairy and avoid soy and we could likely stop it without using hormone drugs at 5yrs old. It took 6 months but we did stop it - using healthy, non-hormone foods. And yes, her doctor at the time was an MD.
So while wording may not be to your specifications, eating whole foods predominantly (because I like my treats as well) over eating horribly processed foods (like a Big Mac) does make a difference in one's health.
Moderation is always the key. In our home, the rule is 90% whole foods so that the 10% processed does not affect our health in a negative manner and allows for things like going out once in awhile or birthday parties, etc. without worrying about it. what we eat can go to either extreme. Neither extreme is good for us. Both put one in a ditch. As a good friend use to tell us, keep it between the ditches. This applies to most things in life. Including what we feed ourselves.
but hormones can also be disrupted by many things other than foods. certain diseases,health issues,medications,etc so you cant blame just food. The OP stated she fixed her hormone imbalances by basically cutting out certain things and eating better,which I dont see how thats possible when what her diary showed did not back up her claims(eating better and avoiding certain foods that cause these issues). as for precocious puberty its usually caused from problems with the ovaries, testicles, adrenal glands or pituitary gland.It can also be caused by tumors,defects in the brain,etc.Do you have proof that hormones in food is what caused your nieces issue? or is that just what your nieces parents believe?dr told you? etc?
First, it was my daughter, not my niece. Second, the ONLY change we made was going hormone and antibiotic free in our food, and removing soy. Precocious puberty can also be caused by hormones that are used to grow animals faster, fatter, and to make them produce more milk. We humans eat the meat and dairy and those hormones are in the food. They don't just magically disappear once they kill an animal or take it's milk. Hormones can also be affected by certain types of plastics, things in skin care products, etc. We are careful of all of these things (but I didn't learn about those until much later; our initial change was only food). She has/had no other hormone issues (tumors, cysts, etc). If she did, I'm pretty sure we'd know it by now at 18yrs old. Not everyone is going to be susceptible to having their body affected by hormones in food. Just like not everyone is susceptible to T2 diabetes, or heart disease, etc. Unfortunately, we often don't know what our susceptibilities are UNTIL something happens to our health (and every human as genetic susceptibilities). So our family chooses to stick to a largely whole foods diet (again, we do our treats too). Just because others want to call alternative anything "woo" does not make alternative medicine or diets untrue or unneeded. But again, it is pointless talking to people about it that don't want to hear or think they have a leg up because of "science." Science often catches up with the alternative world and when people want/need to know what their food can and does do to their bodies, they'll go looking. There's plenty of information in existence to learn from. Our DD was our first experience with anything organic/whole foods/changing from a SAD diet. From there it was family cancer, almost losing our son to illness, etc. We've walked enough roads health wise to see and know that food quality does make a difference in health.
That said, it's still not worth wasting breath arguing on this forum. People are here for weight loss or gain and CICO is the method this forum teaches for that purpose, and it works. How individuals choose to work within CICO is up to them (I'm speaking nutritionally). My issue is when someone throws out options (answering someone's specific question/s) that others find foreign or disagree with, they can't just let it be and let people study for themselves and decide what will work for them. I'm a freedom lover and hard core on informed consent. By it's very nature, informed consent means being exposed to multiple sides of an issue and making a choice. Are there ways that things can be presented so as not to be rude, etc.? Sure. Presentation will always matter. But however someone chooses to present their side, having multiple sides to look at is never a bad thing.
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Im not saying it wasnt caused from food,Im saying it can be caused by other things as well,I just asked how you can be sure it was the foods? even though she has no tumors or other issues how do you know that she didnt have issues with her ovaries? pituitary glands,also the brain can have a defect that can signal the release of hormones as well.could have been that as well. not everything wrong with us can be diagnosed or tested.I also wasnt being rude about it,I was just asking how you had proof that the food caused it? are you saying that once you noticed she was going through puberty you changed her diet and it stopped happening? you also know that for some going through puberty young is also genetic as well. Im not saying that her issues were caused by this or that I was just asking how can you be sure it wasnt something that didnt show up in tests(if they were done)? I had a relative whom started having periods when she was 6 and this was back in the 50s, before they started adding hormones and what not to foods. it happens a lot in my moms side of the family,for them its genetic,4
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singingflutelady wrote: »Authority nutrition is not a good source
awesome reply, so you agree or disagree with the statement?0 -
I disagree. Just because it's hard to accurately measure ci and co doesn't mean that cico doesn't work. CICO occurs automatically. Sure some things take a tiny amount of extra calories to digest but it's pretty insignificant in the realm of things.
Also weight loss isn't fat loss only. You lose water as well or you retain water which can throw off the scales.
The point of mentioning authority nutrition is that many people cite it when it isn't a good source. If you want to make a case for aomething people generally will take you more seriously if you cite peer reviewed scientific studies.2 -
For me CICO is a poor instrument due to:
- Estimation or measure calorie in
- Estimation or measure calorie out (your BMR is the majority here)
- How does your food choice affect your BMR, your hormones, regulation, etc?
Also fat loss and gain is not linear, e.g. if I weigh 100kg, and ate so that I would lose 1kg / week, would I be 20kg in 80 weeks? or vv if I ate so I gained 1 kg / week, would I be 350 kg in 5 years? - probably not...
The questions for me are:
- Why do we eat more than we need? - What is the cause? e.g. certain food might trigger cravings, or doesn't makes us full...
- Why are we having cravings?
- Why isn't our bodies regulating?
i.e. for me the type of food and macros are more important, and I believe this is highly individual
good summary from (https://authoritynutrition.com/debunking-the-calorie-myth/):
Bottom Line: Different foods go through different metabolic pathways. Some foods can cause hormone changes that encourage weight gain, while other foods can increase satiety and boost the metabolic rate.
Aside from Authority Nutrition being a weak source, think of this objectively.
Gravity existed and worked as a force long before we were able to measure it.
Our bodies work on the energy balance of CICO outside of our ability to measure accurately.
The ridiculousness of the points they made in talking about types of food mattering spoke to the nature of them confusing what is being measured with the gauge by which it's measured.
How many people stand there in the tile aisle in Home Depot and say that how many square feet of tile they need for their new kitchen remodel doesn't matter, it's the type of tile that makes the difference?
Of course you don't conflate those two things, but when it comes to food, everyone does it, and it's ridiculous.
A calorie is a unit of measurement. The type of food you eat a nutrient. They are two different things.8 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Im not saying it wasnt caused from food,Im saying it can be caused by other things as well,I just asked how you can be sure it was the foods? even though she has no tumors or other issues how do you know that she didnt have issues with her ovaries? pituitary glands,also the brain can have a defect that can signal the release of hormones as well.could have been that as well. not everything wrong with us can be diagnosed or tested.I also wasnt being rude about it,I was just asking how you had proof that the food caused it? are you saying that once you noticed she was going through puberty you changed her diet and it stopped happening? you also know that for some going through puberty young is also genetic as well. Im not saying that her issues were caused by this or that I was just asking how can you be sure it wasnt something that didnt show up in tests(if they were done)? I had a relative whom started having periods when she was 6 and this was back in the 50s, before they started adding hormones and what not to foods. it happens a lot in my moms side of the family,for them its genetic,
1. I understood your question. I was trying to answer it with what we knew. Short of an autopsy, the conclusion was made based on available evidence at the time. The same way all medicine is practiced today. There are a lot of things they can't test for but based on process of elimination, testing for what they can, etc. a determination is made to the best of the doctor's ability to figure out what's wrong. This includes ovary ultrasounds, blood work, etc. that can be done to get a rudimentary look at things.
2. I wasn't suggesting you were being rude. I read what you wrote the same way I read anything else on this board. If someone disagrees with a person they typically come across as very snarky. In this case, I just took it as one more person that can't accept what someone says because they don't agree with it. The rude part I was actually addressing a poster I did think was rude without trying to point the person out (subtle hints). Sorry if it came across I was referring to you.
3. The "proof" we had it was food caused was in the change when we removed the things the doctor suggested and within 6 months she lost all pubic hair and showed no other signs of puberty until what would be considered a normal age for our family (age 12/13). Had any tests shown something abnormal we would have looked at those first, but they didn't. Had removing foods with hormones in them not worked, we would have continued looking for a cause, because in our family that isn't normal, and people don't have things like that happen for "no reason." But that is a difference between most MD's and most alternative practitioners. Most MD's won't go after the root cause. In our case, we've had two great MD's over the years that were more willing to look at underlying causes for things we were dealing with. That is rare for an MD! Yes, I know genetics plays a huge role in when someone goes through puberty.
Anecdotally, I can look at the last 20yrs and see how much younger girls have gotten when they go through puberty and it's only been in the last 20yrs that we've seen greater amounts of hormones used in the food supply, as well as other products that cause endocrine disruption, and there does appear to be a correlation. That didn't matter in our case in terms of diagnosis and I wouldn't argue dogmatically about that with someone. However, there's enough evidence of earlier puberty and other issues (which I won't even go into here) that give me enough pause that I want to be careful with MY family. It may not matter to the guy next to me and that's fine if that works for them. As a parent, if I find out my child may have a susceptibility to a health issue that I could potentially keep from happening by how I care for them, then I'm going to do all I can to affect that. Will it always work? Of course not. Then again, medicine doesn't always work either. It's a choice each person/family makes. But if someone asks me, I'm going to share what I have learned because I assume they wouldn't be asking if they weren't looking for answers/options.
4. In YOUR family, there was a genetic history of early hormone changes. Not so in my family. Had that been a factor it is certainly something that would have been considered. When my son got sick, we didn't just take the oncologists diagnosis. We MADE them check for leukemia because both leukemia and lymphoma run heavily on my husband's side. We knew there was a genetic risk there. Hormonally, that did not apply to my daughter.
The biggest issue I see is that there is nothing in life that works the same for all people. It's like people here assume that when someone makes a suggestion they are saying that it will work for everyone. And maybe some people do think that way when they are giving advice. But the reality is, what works for me (or my family) may or may not work for the person next to me. But that should not preclude making the suggestion to give that person something else to consider. When we have health issues, we look at ALL the options for treating something (including medical) and make our decision on what we'll do after many hours of reading, asking questions, seeking out advice, etc. I appreciate having all options/ideas laid on the table for me to look at. Perhaps my error is in thinking that most people are intelligent enough to figure out for themselves that it's wise to check out what people suggest to decide if it's best for them. I prefer to assume people are smarter then the average door knob. I realize there are those that follow blindly, but they do so at their own peril and I'm not responsible for them. But on this board, whoa to the person that suggests anything outside of what the larger crowd agrees with. That's okay. One just learns when to respond and when not to. Not worth wasting time arguing. Life is too short and I'm too busy.
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Girls going through puberty younger has been going on for longer than 20 years.
It's due to better nutrition.4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Girls going through puberty younger has been going on for longer than 20 years.
It's due to better nutrition.
I'm 56 and started puberty long before anyone girlfriend I had. Cows and chickens were not treated with hormones back then. In fact, I was raised on raw milk, you know the kind with the fat on top. I still have the urge to shake the milk container! LOL2 -
queenliz99 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Girls going through puberty younger has been going on for longer than 20 years.
It's due to better nutrition.
I'm 56 and started puberty long before anyone girlfriend I had. Cows and chickens were not treated with hormones back then. In fact, I was raised on raw milk, you know the kind with the fat on top. I still have the urge to shake the milk container! LOL
I started puberty at the exact same age my daughter did. I'm 33 years older than her. I was 11, and it was 1973. My cousin started at 9 in 1975.0 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Girls going through puberty younger has been going on for longer than 20 years.
It's due to better nutrition.
I'm 56 and started puberty long before anyone girlfriend I had. Cows and chickens were not treated with hormones back then. In fact, I was raised on raw milk, you know the kind with the fat on top. I still have the urge to shake the milk container! LOL
I started puberty at the exact same age my daughter did. I'm 33 years older than her. I was 11, and it was 1973. My cousin started at 9 in 1975.
I was10.0 -
Trixiegirl66 wrote: »She doesn't even know how many calories she's consuming because she's not actually tracking them.
courtneyfabulous,
Never did I say I do not track my calories. My husband said today that I way underestimated the calories I took in during pregnancy - he does all the cooking, and said I put away at least 3600 calories on very hungry days. So I am going to go with the logic that my body functions best with optimal food intake and see where it takes me.
My MFP diary is open, and indicates that I track and log everything down to black coffee. I am merely pointing out that the weight loss never took off until I ate way more than MFP suggested. For the first time in ten years, I fully anticipate getting back to my pre-twin pregnancy size. I think I simply need to eat enough now to regain the killer metabolism I took for granted in my twenties and early thirties.
If your calories are too low you will lose weight though. Her issue is that she's not losing weight. So her calories are not too low.4 -
queenliz99 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Girls going through puberty younger has been going on for longer than 20 years.
It's due to better nutrition.
I'm 56 and started puberty long before anyone girlfriend I had. Cows and chickens were not treated with hormones back then. In fact, I was raised on raw milk, you know the kind with the fat on top. I still have the urge to shake the milk container! LOL
I started puberty at the exact same age my daughter did. I'm 33 years older than her. I was 11, and it was 1973. My cousin started at 9 in 1975.
I was10.
Okay........yeah no. Better nutrition is not what has brought earlier puberty. That just doesn't even freaking make sense. But whatever. I don't have time to argue with people that won't accept any source I post anyway. And I actually thought with my last post my comments would be closed and I would be done.
Growth hormones on beef...........
"Almost all beef cattle entering feedlots in the United States are given hormone implants to promote faster growth. The first product used for this purpose DES (diethylstilbestrol) was approved for use in beef cattle in 1954. An estimated two-thirds of the nation's beef cattle were treated with DES in 1956 (Marcus, 1994, cited in Swan et al., 2007).
Today, there are six anabolic steroids given, in various combinations, to nearly all animals entering conventional beef feedlots in the U.S."
Long term effects are rarely felt/seen right away. It takes time for things to build up in a person's body and not everyone is going to be susceptible to the changes. The hormone changes get passed to each successive generation until a tipping point is hit and we start to see effects of them. So no, I wouldn't have expected to see a large group shift until 10-15yrs after they started using them. Which puts it around 1975-1980 when a slow, but progressive, pubertal age got younger and younger. I specifically said genetics for when a girl starts are clearly a factor. I do not believe there is ever a single factor in any health issue/change. Just like I don't think there is ever a single factor for why someone gets a disease. But hormones are most definitely a factor in early puberty - they are not the only factor.1 -
Better nutrition allows the body to function optimally and the natural hormonal systems to function properly.
I understand your biases in this regard, but you're wrong. This makes perfect sense. Nourished children weigh more, and have more body fat.
Weights in general have been rising since the Industrial Revolution, and some of that has been in a good way. Increased lean body mass thanks to better food supply, for example. This has all had an effect.
A factor in any recent rise in even earlier puberty? Rising childhood obesity. Fat effectively (pardon my butchered wording here) functions as an endocrine organ of sorts. It's not inert tissue. It messes with hormones.4 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Girls going through puberty younger has been going on for longer than 20 years.
It's due to better nutrition.
I'm 56 and started puberty long before anyone girlfriend I had. Cows and chickens were not treated with hormones back then. In fact, I was raised on raw milk, you know the kind with the fat on top. I still have the urge to shake the milk container! LOL
I started puberty at the exact same age my daughter did. I'm 33 years older than her. I was 11, and it was 1973. My cousin started at 9 in 1975.
I was10.
Okay........yeah no. Better nutrition is not what has brought earlier puberty. That just doesn't even freaking make sense. But whatever. I don't have time to argue with people that won't accept any source I post anyway. And I actually thought with my last post my comments would be closed and I would be done.
Growth hormones on beef...........
"Almost all beef cattle entering feedlots in the United States are given hormone implants to promote faster growth. The first product used for this purpose DES (diethylstilbestrol) was approved for use in beef cattle in 1954. An estimated two-thirds of the nation's beef cattle were treated with DES in 1956 (Marcus, 1994, cited in Swan et al., 2007).
Today, there are six anabolic steroids given, in various combinations, to nearly all animals entering conventional beef feedlots in the U.S."
Long term effects are rarely felt/seen right away. It takes time for things to build up in a person's body and not everyone is going to be susceptible to the changes. The hormone changes get passed to each successive generation until a tipping point is hit and we start to see effects of them. So no, I wouldn't have expected to see a large group shift until 10-15yrs after they started using them. Which puts it around 1975-1980 when a slow, but progressive, pubertal age got younger and younger. I specifically said genetics for when a girl starts are clearly a factor. I do not believe there is ever a single factor in any health issue/change. Just like I don't think there is ever a single factor for why someone gets a disease. But hormones are most definitely a factor in early puberty - they are not the only factor.
Not sure what you mean by "Okay......yeah no." I was and still am healthy.1
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