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Flu shots? For them or against ?
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paperpudding wrote: »A close relative of mine became hospitalized after being given a flu shot. That one shot cost her hundreds of dollars and repeat visits to the doctor. She also contracted a second illness when she received treatment at the hospital. Thankfully she recovered. She has been well ever since she stopped accepting the yearly flu shot. This is the main reason I refuse to get any flu shot myself.
You dont say what she was hospitalised with.
Of course some people will be hospitilised after having flu shots - they co incidentally have a heart attack or whatever soon afterwards.
Like some people are hospitilised after having a roast dinner or logging into facebook or anything.
That wouldnt make me say that is why I refuse have roast dinners now
(silly example, I know, but I think illustrates the point)
In my many years of vaccinating literally thousands of people, none have been hospitilised as a direct result of flu vaccine
My relation had a very very high fever and of course....flu symptoms (those symptoms occurred soon after the shot was given and not weeks later).
Those symptoms were alarming enough for the hospital to admit and treat her. It wasn't something random and whimsical as you have presumed.
So far, we both have been doing just fine without any shots. Go figure.3 -
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Absolutely for them. 100%2
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singingflutelady wrote: »Before I was immunosuppressed I never got them but now that I am hell yes I am getting them. I know they only cover a few strains but since I could get very, very sick any immunity is better than none
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I had the flu and it put me in the hospital. It was miserable. I really thought I was going to die. That made me rethink it.3
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I get flu shots annually. I don't get cruddy sick. People who get sick and die of the flu don't get online and recant all their anti-vax postings.6
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I totally believe that they prevent the strain they are designed against. I believe that vaccines work, but there are so many different strains of flu going around I usually don't worry about getting it every year.5
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Haha...I vote for the Herd Immunity Theory and you all can get your shots while I just watch from over here.8
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HotMermaid729 wrote: »Haha...I vote for the Herd Immunity Theory and you all can get your shots while I just watch from over here.
And that's precisely why herd immunity is failing in certain areas.11 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »HotMermaid729 wrote: »Haha...I vote for the Herd Immunity Theory and you all can get your shots while I just watch from over here.
And that's precisely why herd immunity is failing in certain areas.
Theory6 -
HotMermaid729 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »HotMermaid729 wrote: »Haha...I vote for the Herd Immunity Theory and you all can get your shots while I just watch from over here.
And that's precisely why herd immunity is failing in certain areas.
Theory
Logic. People who say "I will rely on herd immunity, but not contribute to it" decrease the number of people adding to it, the percentage of immunised people drop and herd immunity decreases in effectiveness.9 -
Its not for me and my family. We've been fine without it.3
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TeacupsAndToning wrote: »@jordanchamzuk can you please request that this thread be deleted? My main goal in life is to see it die.
I don't know if you know this, but you don't have to keep reading it. ::shrug::
I think the OP was trying to stir it up anyway, he's in healthcare and surely has heard the uproar. Plus this is in the Debate section.
We could have a debate on the color of the sky on MFP, in case you're new here.5 -
I don't get them because I always have severe reactions to them and spend up to six months sick. That said, I go through sanitizer like crazy and am hyper-vigilant of breathing on others or being breathed on. This past April was the first time in five years that I've gotten sick, and the only reason that happened was because my husband and I went to the hospital to visit his mother.
With that said, flu vaccinations serve a purpose. Those most as risk should be given priority for vaccinations, and then move on to the low-risk population that wishes to receive a flu shot.0 -
HotMermaid729 wrote: »Haha...I vote for the Herd Immunity Theory and you all can get your shots while I just watch from over here.
This is how herd immunity is eventually destroyed, FYI.12 -
HotMermaid729 wrote: »Haha...I vote for the Herd Immunity Theory and you all can get your shots while I just watch from over here.
I'm sure the people dying who CANNOT receive the vaccination due to health or allergy issues due to loss of herd immunity because of people like you will be comforted.
I'm pretty Libertarian, but the free rider problem, people like this, and the risk they pose to innocent people due to loss of herd immunity are why I'm for mandatory vaccination.
https://www.cfr.org/interactives/GH_Vaccine_Map/index.html#map13 -
FOR them. And I do NOT feel sorry for anyone old enough/able to get vaccinated IF they get the flu (if it could've been prevented, of course by being vaccinated). But in reality, anyone could die from influenza, but at least I know I have a clear conscience and hopefully would not be responsible for passing the contagion on to others.
Caveat: I'm a Scientist8 -
I had one. Bothered my vision pretty bad about 6 months. Couldn't drive at night. Better for a few months. Then totally gone. Had the flu once. Spent a week in bed. Better for about 2 weeks, then gone. I'll take a chance on maybe 3 weeks, vs. surely 9 or 10 months.
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I don't bother with the anymore. Every single year that I ever got one, I always ended up getting the flu. I know that getting the shot isn't 100% protection, but I just didn't see the point of i always got sick anyway. Nowadays, I just focus on eating healthy, taking my vitamins/supplements, and staying away from people that are sick as well as I can.
Ironically enough, I haven't gotten the flu during the past several years after I quit bothering to get a flu shot.4 -
I've gotten a flu shot for the past 15 years. Haven't had any negative side effects.2
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I said this upstream and I will repeat it again:
Anyone in this thread who is saying they had the flu who is willing to have it again...
NEVER HAD THE FLU.
If you were not praying for death, you did not have the flu. You had a bad cold. Full stop.
If you had ever had the flu, you would move heaven and earth to never, ever have it again and to ensure your children never had it.
It is awful.
I say this as a person with a very much above average pain/discomfort tolerance. I cite as reference the fact that I had a broken ankle that I soldiered through with just OTC pain meds and ice packs because I couldn't tolerate the prescription pain meds.
The real flu is not something people who have had it are blithe about.16 -
Please get them. If you don't need one, someone else near you does need you to get one. The flu that troubles you for a few days may kill someone's grandmother.
As far as Guillain-Barré syndrome is concerned, what isn't usually explained is that it's a one in a million reaction between the cells of specific people's nervous systems AND THE FLU VIRUS ITSELF. Although the vaccine can cause it for these people, if the same person were to get the flu without being vaccinated, they would also get it. In fact the overwhelming majority of cases occur following an illness, and have nothing to do with vaccines. And cases caused by illness tend to be more severe than cases caused by vaccines.
Picture your body as a city and your antibodies as policemen. Now picture the flu as a bank robber. The vaccine is like an APB sent by a neighboring city saying, hey, arrest this bank robber before he robs anyone. So what happens is that the robber is arrested without doing any harm. In certain rare cases, the bank robber has a strong resemblance to an innocent person living in the city - the cells of the nervous system. So when the police get the bulletin, they go after the wrong guy. But if they don't get any bulletin, as soon as the robber robs a bank, they will go after the wrong guy anyway.4 -
I work in a public school and get the flu shot. I didn't when I was young and had a killer immune system, but that's not me anymore. I got the flu super early one year (before the vaccines were readily available), and it was truly awful. I wasn't going to get the vaccine that year since I'd already had the flu, but my doctor encouraged me to since we didn't know what strain I'd had. That year, a good chunk of my students missed a bunch of school twice due to flu -- early in the year when I had mine, then on the late end of flu season. I didn't get the second round. It may or may not have been because I had gotten the vaccine, but I would have been really upset to have gotten the flu twice in one school year. I'd like to think my doctor spared me some pain.
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Well, since this trainwreck is still steaming along, here's my n=1
I got the flu shot in Oct last year. I got the flu the first week in Jan this year. I ended up in ER, came home with 6 different meds (not an exaggeration), and was seriously ill for over three weeks (I'm normally a perfectly healthy person who gets maybe a couple of colds a year). They did a swab and it was one of the types that wasn't covered by the vaccine (type A?) Did I feel it was a waste of time to get the shot? Oh hell no - people around me were coming down with strains that were covered by the shot, and with my immune system shot, if I had gotten sick again I would have ended up in the hospital, with potentially life-threatening infections like pneumonia. There's no way I wouldn't get my shot, and yes some years it raises a big itchy lump at the injection site. I'll live with it.6 -
Well, since this trainwreck is still steaming along, here's my n=1
I got the flu shot in Oct last year. I got the flu the first week in Jan this year. I ended up in ER, came home with 6 different meds (not an exaggeration), and was seriously ill for over three weeks (I'm normally a perfectly healthy person who gets maybe a couple of colds a year). They did a swab and it was one of the types that wasn't covered by the vaccine (type A?) Did I feel it was a waste of time to get the shot? Oh hell no - people around me were coming down with strains that were covered by the shot, and with my immune system shot, if I had gotten sick again I would have ended up in the hospital, with potentially life-threatening infections like pneumonia. There's no way I wouldn't get my shot, and yes some years it raises a big itchy lump at the injection site. I'll live with it.
I'm sorry to hear you got it!
When I've had the flu (I've had it twice, one when I was a teenager, and once as an adult and that was only because I caught it very early in the season before I had a chance to get immunized), that's how long I was sick with it. I really don't think anyone who's sick for a shorter duration has had the flu.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Well, since this trainwreck is still steaming along, here's my n=1
I got the flu shot in Oct last year. I got the flu the first week in Jan this year. I ended up in ER, came home with 6 different meds (not an exaggeration), and was seriously ill for over three weeks (I'm normally a perfectly healthy person who gets maybe a couple of colds a year). They did a swab and it was one of the types that wasn't covered by the vaccine (type A?) Did I feel it was a waste of time to get the shot? Oh hell no - people around me were coming down with strains that were covered by the shot, and with my immune system shot, if I had gotten sick again I would have ended up in the hospital, with potentially life-threatening infections like pneumonia. There's no way I wouldn't get my shot, and yes some years it raises a big itchy lump at the injection site. I'll live with it.
I'm sorry to hear you got it!
When I've had the flu (I've had it twice, one when I was a teenager, and once as an adult and that was only because I caught it very early in the season before I had a chance to get immunized), that's how long I was sick with it. I really don't think anyone who's sick for a shorter duration has had the flu.
My doctor agrees with you! I've had it twice too - the first time was in Tucson in 1975 during the victorian flu epidemic. My fever went so high I spend a couple of days hallucinating, and the medical system was so overwhelmed that unless you were at risk or a lot sicker than I was (I found that hard to imagine at the time ) you were supposed to take aspirin and ride it out. You bet as soon as flu shots were available I was first in line!0 -
I had it in 1975 and was hallucinating too!
Very high fever. I remember my mother telling me I scared her.0 -
Probably said this already somewhere in this thread. Flu shots are just not part of our everyday discussion where I live. To have or not to have, is not the question. The question just doesn't come up.0
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »I had it in 1975 and was hallucinating too!
Very high fever. I remember my mother telling me I scared her.
Oh wow! I've never met anyone who even remembers that! How cool!0
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