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Flu shots? For them or against ?
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finny11122 wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »A woman told me her son got autism from vaccines . Her other child is unvaccinated and is fine .
Yes, the bogus study that just won't DIE! Not only is it fear-mongering, it's guilt-mongering for the parents who vaccinated their children and later learned they were autistic. Unrelated, but there's this old discredited study out there that's telling them it's your fault
Who says she is wrong ? Plenty private studies out there from country to country that get no news or internet coverage . I'd take someone's study that has nothing to gain over someone who has something to gain any day of the week .
Science says she's wrong
http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25562790
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24814559
Now post one of those private studies.
This makes me so angry, Wakefield was struck off by the GMC for being a massive liar and fabricating data. Meanwhile he is trying to get funding for more propaganda films.
As I've said I personally know someone who is deaf from measles, and someone who is infertile from mumps.
Also if you don't believe studies based on data, I have a sibling with autism, they did not receive the MMR before diagnosis as they were too unwell. The other 3 siblings did receive the MMR and do not have autism.
My anecdote beats your bull *kitten* anecdote because there are twice as many of us.....
Not to mention, the sub tone of a lot of antivaxxers; autism is awful and should be avoided whereas deafness and infertility are just fine.
Just like I've never been in a massive pile up on a motorway but I sure as hell put my seatbelt on.
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Or how about " my mother smoked all her life and didn't get cancer,therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer "4
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With so much fake science data out there what to do or not to do for our health is confusing at best.2
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comptonelizabeth wrote: »Or how about " my mother smoked all her life and didn't get cancer,therefore smoking doesn't cause cancer "
Yep, my grandfather died in a hospice coughing up his lungs due to advanced cancer after a lifetime of smoking. But pretty sure it was becuase he used to eat sugar out of a bag using a stick of butter as a spoon.... that fits my bias.GaleHawkins wrote: »With so much fake science data out there what to do or not to do for our health is confusing at best.
It's pretty clear that avoiding mortality and morbidity due to vaccinations is a good start though. Could you quote some 'fake science' please? The only 'fake science' I've quoted is Wakefield and he rightly got struck off, but people still believe this rubbish. There are limitations of the 'flu vaccine due to the nature of influenza. They have been well hashed out and explained up thread by others.
In general, don't smoke, avoid sunbeds, eat a nutritious diet, be a healthy weight (why most of us are here). Not completely on topic, but avoiding some conditions can be made with lifestyle changes; these are backed up. so I still have no idea why people go doen rabbit holes of 'my aunts cousins brother said.....' Some of it is also just genetic luck (or not as the case may be)
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KrazyKrissyy wrote: »No thanks. I'm allergic to them (srs).
And this is why it's important for other people to get them (vaccinations in general). So that you can be protected because of herd immunity.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »With so much fake science data out there what to do or not to do for our health is confusing at best.
The problem is that what is actually good data is what you think is fake, and that which is pseudoscientific data is what you think is good. That's what's causes your confusion. As has been told to you many times, learn how to vet your sources.12 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »I expect the starting age of vaccinations maybe a factor in their possible side effect risks.
What is the basis for that suspicion? Like, the scientific basis?2 -
I am for but can't have them
If you have shellfish allergies watch out for A site reaction!!! 1 -
KrazyKrissyy wrote: »No thanks. I'm allergic to them (srs).
And this is why it's important for other people to get them (vaccinations in general). So that you can be protected because of herd immunity.
100%. I have been told by anti-vaxxers that my severe allergy to many vaccinations is a reason I should be against them. I pointed out in no uncertain terms that it makes me all the more FOR them because I can't protect myself and must rely on others to protect me.
I've had whooping cough 4 times in my life, 3 times as a child. All of those 3 childhood times I got it from kids whose parents decided not to vax. Asshats.8 -
I get them every year, no problems before this year though.
Had the shot given by a pharmacist at CVS. She gave it very high on my arm and it didn't hurt at all, which was unusual.
A couple of hours later, moving my arm at all was painful. That lasted a few weeks and it's very slowy getting better. It's been 4 months and i still have limited range of motion with that arm.
Consulted with Dr. Google, then my personal and sadly this isn't uncommon. The shot should have been given in the muscular part of my arm. Instead of going into the miacle it went into and injured my tendon.
Take away is to make sure the shot is given in the muscle! At the time I thought it was a strange place to give a shot but I was too polite to speak up ☹️.
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IN.
If I don't get them, I will get the flu for 2-4 weeks and be extremely dysfunctional.
With, 2-7 days at the most.3 -
Military makes you get them every year. Since joining almost five years ago, I've had the flu once. I think that's pretty good, considering I had the flu probably every year of my life until I was 20. I've gotten both dead virus and live nasal. Worth it if it even semi-reduces the chance of me vomiting myself for 36 hours straight into dehydration and delirium.4
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Against it for many reasons4
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So.. I'm in a play that was supposed to open tomorrow night (musical, actually). Unfortunately, two of our leads are down with influenza. Bona-fide influenza. We've been literally plagued by it running through the cast for the last two weeks, missing critical actors every single night. Opening night has been postponed until Saturday.
Those of us who were immunized have so far remained well. Coincidence? I doubt it.10 -
astrocosmiczoom wrote: »Worth it if it even semi-reduces the chance of me vomiting myself for 36 hours straight into dehydration and delirium.
That's not what influenza does, that would be a type of gastroenteritis and the flu shot will not protect against it.
It's a very common misconception though I would be all on board to never vomit again.0 -
So.. I'm in a play that was supposed to open tomorrow night (musical, actually). Unfortunately, two of our leads are down with influenza. Bona-fide influenza. We've been literally plagued by it running through the cast for the last two weeks, missing critical actors every single night. Opening night has been postponed until Saturday.
Those of us who were immunized have so far remained well. Coincidence? I doubt it.
I'm sure it was because you give your immune system a workout and eat lots of oranges, and you do this because big pharma made you a sheeple due to injecting you with a mind control chip. [/sarcasm]
But glad you're well, it's frustrating when you've been preparing yourself for something and it gets put off.2 -
astrocosmiczoom wrote: »Worth it if it even semi-reduces the chance of me vomiting myself for 36 hours straight into dehydration and delirium.
That's not what influenza does, that would be a type of gastroenteritis and the flu shot will not protect against it.
It's a very common misconception though I would be all on board to never vomit again.
Although vomiting is an uncommon symptom in adults for influenza, it does happen. As confirmed by my doctor (and I have no reason to doubt his word). Those were the most unpleasant 2 weeks of my life...2 -
Only did when I worked at a hospital. I only feel compelled to get the shot if I'm around kids or older adults regularly. Otherwise I don't get sick enough to feel I have to...2
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