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Flu shots? For them or against ?
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janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »finny11122 wrote: »Big Pharma settle cases out of court every year . Pay people off to keep them quiet . It's a billion dollar industry to sell vaccines . Just ask people privately that work in these places and they will tell you all the horror stories .
Citation please.
I work for big pharma. Can you please direct me to the office that issues said payment?
This person may be referring to this: https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/
But this couldn't accurately be described as "big pharma" settling cases out of court. The fund was specifically developed to ensure that companies could continue to develop and sell vaccines without being targeted by lawsuits. The companies aren't involved in the administration of the fund so I'm not sure what "horror stories" their employees could possibly have for us.
For this reason, I'm really doubtful about those claims -- it doesn't match how compensation works if one is injured by a vaccine. You *can't* sue in the US for vaccine injury unless there was a lapse in testing or it was administered incorrectly.
This isn't settlement or hush money. The Vaccine Compensation fund was a political creation to keep the big pharma and the trial lawyer lobbies happy, while maintaining the flow of political contributions.
Oh I have some horror stories to share, but most of these have to do with off label practices.
I agree that this wouldn't be settlement or hush money, I apologize for being unclear in my wording.
None needed. That point was more directed to any and all conspiracy theorists.
I understand the allure of the conspiracy, but one really has to do the work and connect those dots.0 -
Am update on my recovery from flu is that I saw the doctor today -I have a cracked rib and a hernia,from coughing.
Flu is no picnic. If a vaccine can protect you,and vulnerable people you may come into contact with,to me it's a no brained.8 -
TravisinCanada wrote: »Population control
You all go right ahead and get that shot of whatever the hell it is that you don't know what they are putting in you.
I will be the guy letting my body do what it is suppose to do (keep me alive).
By the way what do the long term studies say about the Flu shot again? Oh wait there aren't any.
YES, finally somebody said it (in the midst of the poorly educated)!!!!
Ive learned that the us government is funding the whole "we must 'vaccinate' everyone! Its their secret agenda for depopulation for sure. People love free, so why is it free? Think about it! They get people to WANT it, and are told lies. In fact, its probably not even the vaccine" at all, but one of the sneaky ways they are implanting people with the rfid microchip to track people!!!! There gave been tests done to prove this! My (low income) doctors always push for me to get one, but im very strong when I tell them a big fat NO, and I know better!!!! I haven't had the flu OR the "flu shot" since I was a kid, and I take supplements to boost my immune system, plus a good diet. Wake up people....u are being deceived!!!!3 -
secret_despair30 wrote: »TravisinCanada wrote: »Population control
You all go right ahead and get that shot of whatever the hell it is that you don't know what they are putting in you.
I will be the guy letting my body do what it is suppose to do (keep me alive).
By the way what do the long term studies say about the Flu shot again? Oh wait there aren't any.
YES, finally somebody said it (in the midst of the poorly educated)!!!!
Ive learned that the us government is funding the whole "we must 'vaccinate' everyone! Its their secret agenda for depopulation for sure. People love free, so why is it free? Think about it! They get people to WANT it, and are told lies. In fact, its probably not even the vaccine" at all, but one of the sneaky ways they are implanting people with the rfid microchip to track people!!!! There gave been tests done to prove this! My (low income) doctors always push for me to get one, but im very strong when I tell them a big fat NO, and I know better!!!! I haven't had the flu OR the "flu shot" since I was a kid, and I take supplements to boost my immune system, plus a good diet. Wake up people....u are being deceived!!!!
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My flu shots aren't free. My insurance covers them, but I have to pay my insurance premiums. Better than paying for OTC flu symptoms meds that don't do crap, missing work for weeks at the time, winding up in the hospital, etc etc etc.
My son could die if he got the flu. He's 5 years old and has reactive airway disorder. Why should I chance that? Get the freaking shot. There is no government conspiracy.6 -
jagodfrey08 wrote: »My flu shots aren't free. My insurance covers them, but I have to pay my insurance premiums. Better than paying for OTC flu symptoms meds that don't do crap, missing work for weeks at the time, winding up in the hospital, etc etc etc.
My son could die if he got the flu. He's 5 years old and has reactive airway disorder. Why should I chance that? Get the freaking shot. There is no government conspiracy.
This.
I have an autoimmune disorder and am on 3 different meds which suppress my immune system.secret_despair30 wrote: »TravisinCanada wrote: »Population control
You all go right ahead and get that shot of whatever the hell it is that you don't know what they are putting in you.
I will be the guy letting my body do what it is suppose to do (keep me alive).
By the way what do the long term studies say about the Flu shot again? Oh wait there aren't any.
YES, finally somebody said it (in the midst of the poorly educated)!!!!
Ive learned that the us government is funding the whole "we must 'vaccinate' everyone! Its their secret agenda for depopulation for sure. People love free, so why is it free? Think about it! They get people to WANT it, and are told lies. In fact, its probably not even the vaccine" at all, but one of the sneaky ways they are implanting people with the rfid microchip to track people!!!! There gave been tests done to prove this! My (low income) doctors always push for me to get one, but im very strong when I tell them a big fat NO, and I know better!!!! I haven't had the flu OR the "flu shot" since I was a kid, and I take supplements to boost my immune system, plus a good diet. Wake up people....u are being deceived!!!!
Not everyone is able to follow a "good" diet and supplements,which *may*support your immune system (most of which I can't take either) are no defence against flu. You've just been lucky. I hope your luck continues. I am recovering from flu and it's left me
weak and with cracked ribs from coughing. My sister,who is on chemo,is currently in hospital with pneumonia as a result of flu.7 -
Never touch the stuff2
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secret_despair30 wrote: »TravisinCanada wrote: »Population control
You all go right ahead and get that shot of whatever the hell it is that you don't know what they are putting in you.
I will be the guy letting my body do what it is suppose to do (keep me alive).
By the way what do the long term studies say about the Flu shot again? Oh wait there aren't any.
YES, finally somebody said it (in the midst of the poorly educated)!!!!
Ive learned that the us government is funding the whole "we must 'vaccinate' everyone! Its their secret agenda for depopulation for sure. People love free, so why is it free? Think about it! They get people to WANT it, and are told lies. In fact, its probably not even the vaccine" at all, but one of the sneaky ways they are implanting people with the rfid microchip to track people!!!! There gave been tests done to prove this! My (low income) doctors always push for me to get one, but im very strong when I tell them a big fat NO, and I know better!!!! I haven't had the flu OR the "flu shot" since I was a kid, and I take supplements to boost my immune system, plus a good diet. Wake up people....u are being deceived!!!!
Hmmm ... I have a Master's degree in information science, qualifying me to be a professional researcher. I'm curious what your degrees are in, if the rest of us are "poorly educated"?
People -- particularly children and old people -- used to regularly die from today's common illnesses, including the flu. Now it's incredibly rare. People also used to die from illness that vaccines have eradicated.
People in 3rd World countries still get polio, which no one in your family has. Why do you think that is?
But of course, it's everyone else who's "poorly educated."8 -
My Doc does not advise them . A healthy diet and light exercise is the best medicine .4
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nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/August-2012/labor-unions-oppose-mandatory-flu-shots-as-ama-che.aspx
When doctors and nurses line up on their own free will to get flu shots each year then I think there will be more validity in getting flu shots. As long as the informed medical community has reasons to hesitate so will most others that weigh the pros and cons of the flu shots.
As one with an autoimmune disease and health care background I hear the pressure to get the flu shot each year.
To get or not get an annual flu shot is not backed up by concrete medical evidence.
https://cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm
"Does the flu vaccine work the same for everyone?
No......
In general, the flu vaccine works best among healthy adults and older children. Some older people and people with certain chronic illnesses might develop less immunity than healthy children and adults after vaccination."
As all can read if one is unhealthy and or very young we are not to expect as much protection.
As it stands today to get a flu shot or not is more of an emotional decision than a medical decision since there is no compelling medical evidence as what to do.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/August-2012/labor-unions-oppose-mandatory-flu-shots-as-ama-che.aspx
When doctors and nurses line up on their own free will to get flu shots each year then I think there will be more validity in getting flu shots. As long as the informed medical community has reasons to hesitate so will most others that weigh the pros and cons of the flu shots.
As one with an autoimmune disease and health care background I hear the pressure to get the flu shot each year.
To get or not get an annual flu shot is not backed up by concrete medical evidence.
https://cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm
"Does the flu vaccine work the same for everyone?
No......
In general, the flu vaccine works best among healthy adults and older children. Some older people and people with certain chronic illnesses might develop less immunity than healthy children and adults after vaccination."
As all can read if one is unhealthy and or very young we are not to expect as much protection.
As it stands today to get a flu shot or not is more of an emotional decision than a medical decision since there is no compelling medical evidence as what to do.
So....Perhaps the answer,then,is for healthy adults to get the vaccine and protect the rest of us?4 -
comptonelizabeth wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/August-2012/labor-unions-oppose-mandatory-flu-shots-as-ama-che.aspx
When doctors and nurses line up on their own free will to get flu shots each year then I think there will be more validity in getting flu shots. As long as the informed medical community has reasons to hesitate so will most others that weigh the pros and cons of the flu shots.
As one with an autoimmune disease and health care background I hear the pressure to get the flu shot each year.
To get or not get an annual flu shot is not backed up by concrete medical evidence.
https://cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaccineeffect.htm
"Does the flu vaccine work the same for everyone?
No......
In general, the flu vaccine works best among healthy adults and older children. Some older people and people with certain chronic illnesses might develop less immunity than healthy children and adults after vaccination."
As all can read if one is unhealthy and or very young we are not to expect as much protection.
As it stands today to get a flu shot or not is more of an emotional decision than a medical decision since there is no compelling medical evidence as what to do.
So....Perhaps the answer,then,is for healthy adults to get the vaccine and protect the rest of us?
Since the validity of vaccine for any given year is not knowable healthy adults are free to do as they wish I guess.0 -
My children do get flu shots every year. Their annual physicals always take place late summer or early fall, around the time the doctors get the vaccine in...so since we're already in the office, they get the shot (or mist, if it's deemed effective...this year it was shots only).
I never get the flu shot. I suppose I am relying on herd immunity from my family. For me it would mean a special trip to the doctor for the shot, and I never seem to fit it in. So far I've been lucky.0 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/August-2012/labor-unions-oppose-mandatory-flu-shots-as-ama-che.aspx
When doctors and nurses line up on their own free will to get flu shots each year then I think there will be more validity in getting flu shots. As long as the informed medical community has reasons to hesitate so will most others that weigh the pros and cons of the flu shots.
Well I know I can t speak for all doctors and nurses everywhere - but certainly in places I have worked doctors and nurse do nearly all choose to get them..
Where I work now is private practice, we do not have to do so - but everyone does.
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My children do get flu shots every year. Their annual physicals always take place late summer or early fall, around the time the doctors get the vaccine in...so since we're already in the office, they get the shot (or mist, if it's deemed effective...this year it was shots only).
I never get the flu shot. I suppose I am relying on herd immunity from my family. For me it would mean a special trip to the doctor for the shot, and I never seem to fit it in. So far I've been lucky.
Can you not get it when you take your children to get theirs???
I guess I don't know how your medical system works but that would seem obvious answer to me?
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secret_despair30 wrote: »TravisinCanada wrote: »Population control
You all go right ahead and get that shot of whatever the hell it is that you don't know what they are putting in you.
I will be the guy letting my body do what it is suppose to do (keep me alive).
By the way what do the long term studies say about the Flu shot again? Oh wait there aren't any.
YES, finally somebody said it (in the midst of the poorly educated)!!!!
Ive learned that the us government is funding the whole "we must 'vaccinate' everyone! Its their secret agenda for depopulation for sure. People love free, so why is it free? Think about it! They get people to WANT it, and are told lies. In fact, its probably not even the vaccine" at all, but one of the sneaky ways they are implanting people with the rfid microchip to track people!!!! There gave been tests done to prove this! My (low income) doctors always push for me to get one, but im very strong when I tell them a big fat NO, and I know better!!!! I haven't had the flu OR the "flu shot" since I was a kid, and I take supplements to boost my immune system, plus a good diet. Wake up people....u are being deceived!!!!
I do hope this is satire.
Surely nobody really believes this conspiracy nonsense
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I'm not against them but I really haven't had the flu since I was a kid so I always put it off, and don't get them myself.0
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I'm 61, and I've been getting one every year with no reactions for the last 15+ years. Also got pneumonia and shingles vaccines. Just one minor bout with the flu a few years back.3
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To each their own...I have never gotten a flu shot. And I don't ever remember getting the flu.2
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