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WinoGelato wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »A fresh banana isn't "processed" -- It is raw. I think of "processed" as refined, preserved, and/or cooked. Gerber banana baby food has been processed.
It's been processed with processed bananas bought in the grocery store. You have to go to a factory in southeast Asia if you want a fresh banana.
It might be ripened. But fresh raw banana is not "processed".
WinoGelato was not saying that they were (as it is her post that provoked this sidetrack).
However, as I said above:
(1) I often cook bananas, so those are processed.
(2) As others noted, the banana has been modified over time by humans, so the idea that humans changing stuff (the anti-processing argument) makes something bad would also apply to bananas.
(And I'd also agree with various posters that doesn't make it processed as we normally use the term, but it does make it relevant to the assertion that processed=bad.)
Actually for the record I didn't bring up bananas and am not sure how any stance on bananas is being attributed to me. I can't stand bananas!
The first mention I saw of bananas in this thread was the infographic someone else posted about the chemical makeup of a banana, and then in a response quoting me wanzik made a comment that calling a banana processed is silly, or something like that.
I bet if you had a fresh banana from southeast Asia, you would love it!
Doubtful.
LOL
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Christine_72 wrote: »
Yes, but you have to sneak up on them. Those wild sugar-free bananas are skittish and tend run and hide. If you spook one, they let off this high pitched squeal which will warn the others and you are destined to go without your banana that day.
Now where do we stand on banana "ice cream?"6 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »
Yes, but you have to sneak up on them. Those wild sugar-free bananas are skittish and tend run and hide. If you spook one, they let off this high pitched squeal which will warn the others and you are destined to go without your banana that day.
Now where do we stand on banana "ice cream?"
No kidding. I've tried everything, even luring. Nothing. Works. May try xanax next.
Yes to all ice cream.
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cerise_noir wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »
Yes, but you have to sneak up on them. Those wild sugar-free bananas are skittish and tend run and hide. If you spook one, they let off this high pitched squeal which will warn the others and you are destined to go without your banana that day.
Now where do we stand on banana "ice cream?"
No kidding. I've tried everything, even luring. Nothing. Works. May try xanax next.
Yes to all ice cream.
Are you giving them the xanax, or taking it yourself? If you slow your movements enough, and dress in camouflage, you can catch them. They are much more wiley than the margarine tubs, which pretty much just sit in their fields, lazing about all day.5 -
flippy1234 wrote: »I just stopped drinking alcohol. We will see how long it lasts...
Anyway, I want to get lean. I know WHAT to eat but not what NOT to eat.
Any suggestions as to what NOT to eat so I can eliminate it from my diet and thoughts?
Thanks!
You can eat all the same things but watch your portion sizes. Also ensure you log all your food intake so you can see how many calories each food contributes to your overall total. The principal behind the MFP concept is Calorie Deficit based on Calories In and Calories Out, so just make a careful record of the numbers, and make small adjustments where necessary. Actually, if you can increase your exercise, you may not have to reduce your food at all.0 -
Ice cream is all, all is ice cream. Banana ice cream is way down the list of ice creams though. I prefer bananas in muffin or oatmeal form, personally.
This thread has reminded me of how little most people know about how their food became what it is, whether it's hermetically sealed and boxed at the dollar store or shining up at them from the basket at the farmer's market.4 -
Ice cream is all, all is ice cream. Banana ice cream is way down the list of ice creams though. I prefer bananas in muffin or oatmeal form, personally.
This thread has reminded me of how little most people know about how their food became what it is, whether it's hermetically sealed and boxed at the dollar store or shining up at them from the basket at the farmer's market.
I was thinking of that banana "ice cream" substitute. PB, chocolate, banana ice cream sounds like it would be good. I do like banana muffins, but you need to catch more than one to make it.
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stevencloser wrote: »
Sorry but that's like "comparing apples and oranges". (Pun intended)1 -
What IS processing if not preparing and cooking food?
I don't get how "processed" food is supposed to be bad, but doing it yourself is so crunchy.2 -
What IS processing if not preparing and cooking food?
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I do eat cooked, processed food. I am simply commenting on the posts that say a raw food is processed -- which it isn't. But it seems that people have varying definitions for the word "processed". I tend to think along the lines of the federal legal definition:
https://definitions.uslegal.com/p/processed-food/1 -
What IS processing if not preparing and cooking food?
I don't get how "processed" food is supposed to be bad, but doing it yourself is so crunchy.
Bing "processed food." No, it isn't all bad. That's why I refer to "overly processed" instead. To me, these are products (not food) with added chemicals and preservatives that are so overly "processed" than any real nutritional value it may have had was destroyed on the process. At least when you buy fresh you control your own processing.1 -
What IS processing if not preparing and cooking food?
I don't get how "processed" food is supposed to be bad, but doing it yourself is so crunchy.
Bing "processed food." No, it isn't all bad. That's why I refer to "overly processed" instead. To me, these are products (not food) with added chemicals and preservatives that are so overly "processed" than any real nutritional value it may have had was destroyed on the process. At least when you buy fresh you control your own processing.
Trying to understand how preservatives "destroy nutritional value". Do they somehow alter the macro/micronutrient values in the food?7 -
What IS processing if not preparing and cooking food?
I don't get how "processed" food is supposed to be bad, but doing it yourself is so crunchy.
Bing "processed food." No, it isn't all bad. That's why I refer to "overly processed" instead. To me, these are products (not food) with added chemicals and preservatives that are so overly "processed" than any real nutritional value it may have had was destroyed on the process. At least when you buy fresh you control your own processing.
Trying to understand how preservatives "destroy nutritional value". Do they somehow alter the macro/micronutrient values in the food?
They kill bacteria and hence could mess up you gut bacteria and not let you digest the food as well. That isn't altering the food, but could alter the body.2 -
What IS processing if not preparing and cooking food?
I don't get how "processed" food is supposed to be bad, but doing it yourself is so crunchy.
Bing "processed food." No, it isn't all bad. That's why I refer to "overly processed" instead. To me, these are products (not food) with added chemicals and preservatives that are so overly "processed" than any real nutritional value it may have had was destroyed on the process. At least when you buy fresh you control your own processing.
I have some really processed foods in my kitchen right now, but I can't think of any that lack any nutritional value. They may have a lot of carbohydrates or a lot of fat, but my body can still use those for energy. And even the most processed foods tend to have at least some nutrients beyond that. The only exception I can think of are some of those calorie-free water flavorings that I keep around to mix with vodka.
Can you give an example of a food that has been processed so much that it has lost any nutritional value?3 -
What IS processing if not preparing and cooking food?
I don't get how "processed" food is supposed to be bad, but doing it yourself is so crunchy.
Bing "processed food." No, it isn't all bad. That's why I refer to "overly processed" instead. To me, these are products (not food) with added chemicals and preservatives that are so overly "processed" than any real nutritional value it may have had was destroyed on the process. At least when you buy fresh you control your own processing.
Trying to understand how preservatives "destroy nutritional value". Do they somehow alter the macro/micronutrient values in the food?
They kill bacteria and hence could mess up you gut bacteria and not let you digest the food as well. That isn't altering the food, but could alter the body.
Key word being "could". The jury is still very much out on that. I've also not seen scientific evidence that they "don't let you digest the food as well". But that would seem to be a benefit for weight loss, because if you're not digesting the food as well, you're also not absorbing the full caloric value of the food, yes?
Do preservatives not also kill many potentially harmful bacteria which could alter the body in negative ways?5 -
What IS processing if not preparing and cooking food?
I don't get how "processed" food is supposed to be bad, but doing it yourself is so crunchy.
Bing "processed food." No, it isn't all bad. That's why I refer to "overly processed" instead. To me, these are products (not food) with added chemicals and preservatives that are so overly "processed" than any real nutritional value it may have had was destroyed on the process. At least when you buy fresh you control your own processing.
You're on the right track, but IMHO it's a conspiracy theory to think that food companies are adding nasty chemicals and preservatives that are bad for us.
The whole of society is pretty much based on feeding ourselves and keeping ourselves alive.
Science, Medicine, Agriculture, Law & Justice, all of these systems are in place to protect us, not kill us off.
"Chemicals" and "preservatives" are just used as buzzwords by the likes of Whole Foods and Food Babe to sell their stuff.
In reality, they all come from the planet we live on. Salt, vinegar, oil - all these are chemicals and preservatives.4 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »everyusernamewastakenso wrote: »I said personally... what works for me might work for others. And I don't look up the ingredients for natural foods i.e. fruits.
I'm with you. What you've seen is why I wouldn't get into trying to define "processed" or "overly processed" foods earlier - everyone knows what you mean but some come with off the wall nonsense to try and discredit what you say. It's up to each of us to read through all the condescension and sarcasm to find what works for each of us. In the end we all make our own decisions anyway.
It would be great if everyone did have a solid, logic driven thought process as to what foods they wanted to consume and which they felt were better to cut out in order to maximize their individual results. Unfortunately, that's not always the case. The plethora of misinformation available to people today, combined with the click bait headlines like " 5 Foods You Must Never Eat IF You Want To Lose Weight" means that people often are deluded into thinking that they HAVE to restrict something in order to be successful. Demonstrating that this is not the case, by digging into the vague and unhelpful designation of "processed" can often be an aha moment for so many people who were led to believe that in fact, anything in a package is bad, even if that package contains a precut salad blend, or a dozen eggs, or rice, or Greek yogurt. All of those things could be beneficial components to many diets and yet rules such as "no processed foods" or may lead some to feel they truly shouldn't consume them.
I'd love to live in a MFP world where when people say "everyone knows what we mean when we say processed" was actually true, and that people didn't get confused by that classification, but it just isn't happening yet. And until it does, I'm going to continue to use those extreme examples to point out just how meaningless a term is if not everyone has the same definition.
When has a banana ever been considered or referred to as a "processed" food? Never.
Possibly when humanity modified it so much that what you buy in the store doesn't exist in nature.
I don't think this makes it processed.
No, but I enjoy a banana cooked sometimes (really, it's good as a side or on ice cream), and that's processed.
So is most everything else I'm eating it with, since I cook most of my food, buy frozen fruits and veg sometimes, buy dairy, even buy bagged greens sometimes.
This idea that "processed"=bad or high cal or non nutritious or some such is unhelpful.
Anyway, Wino wasn't saying bananas were processed, she was using those "bananas make you fat" nonsense things as an example of bad information that dieters are blanketed with leading to the idea that they need a list of foods to cut out.
Personally, as I said upthread (I think, maybe in some other thread lately), I don't eat much that would be called "ultraprocessed" and if I do I read the package and decide if I like the ingredients/calories/macros or not, and think others should apply similar thought. But being "processed" saying NOTHING about how nutritious (or healthful) something is or whether it fits in someone's way of eating/goals/day.
I was actually only commenting on the genetic modification part. I am completely uninterested in this whole "define processed" thing. But I found that part interesting.
The modification of the banana is not the same thing as GMOs, though, and of course it has been modified over time by humans, so the idea that humans changing stuff (the anti-processing argument) makes something bad would also apply to bananas. (I'd also agree with various posters that doesn't make it processed as we normally use the term and that keeping GMO talk out of this thread is a good thing.)
I think you are confusing me with someone else. I do not feel today's bananas are processed because they've been bred by humans. That's all I said. In fact I was among the first to say I didn't think it made them processed.
I'm also not the one who started it. I never said gmo. I said genetic modification in reference to zysts post. Not sure why that warrants this.
I wasn't saying you said they were or weren't. That was just me agreeing with a particular statement.
Someone else mentioned GMO.
You seem to think I'm arguing with you when I wasn't -- I was responding (not the same thing as arguing) to what you said and also using the post to respond more broadly to the overall discussion.
My apologies, then.
It was probably unclear -- I have a habit of appending extra stuff on a response that could easily be confusing.0
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