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Just make sure to balance the food you can eat with your calorie goal. A couple of steaks, veggies, and butter can put most people over their calorie limit for the day. Then you stand on the scale wondering what happened. Unless you are highly diabetic...sounds like you may want to get a second opinion. Good luck on your journey!
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I started eating a ketogenic diet a couple of weeks ago. I've tried the MFP way of eating all the things within moderation and I always ended up feeling like I was starving; I got cranky, moody, depressed and I couldn't keep going for more than a few weeks, hell last time my husband asked me to stop because I was in tears most evenings and started to be afraid to eat anything at all. (Only my own experience, but it was the reason why I could never stick with it) On the ketogenic diet, I need to eat less often, I eat all the fats I want, moderate protein and I eat until I'm satisfied. And I am not hungry! Not once in the past two weeks have I even come close to going over my calories, despite eating that much fatty foods. I was raised to love butter and thankfully never believed it was bad for me. But it wasn't butter that made me gain all this weight. It was candy, pastry and snacks... (yay, sugar)
I am down 15 lbs (but a lot of it is water weight, because glycogen is no longer storing massive amounts of water in my body)
I do not disagree that you can and will lose weight if you simply eat at a calorie deficit, even if you include sugar. But for some of us, the ketogenic diet helps with decreasing cravings, it can help regulate blood sugar in order to decrease those energy ups and downs during the day and it can help us feel full and stay satisfied for longer.6 -
Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar
Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
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That is called L diet. Careful, it cannot be done for long periods as it damages your system!! Wake up people!!! A little carb makes your body organs function properly.2
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Yup. It looks like we are in complete agreement, mr/mrs/ms LifeLongFoodLvr
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stephanieluvspb wrote: »Bacon, always go with bacon
I have yet to find a sugar free bacon, maybe I'm not looking in the right place?1 -
Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
Check the nutrition info on the ice cream and you'll see it likely has as much fat as sugar.
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microwoman999 wrote: »So far I have gotten good help. Thank you for the website to look at for a ketogenic diet. Also the suggestion to go to the low carber daily group. As I mistakenly put no carbs and I have realized it was a low carb no sugar diet. I am new to this diet and I see not many people understand why I'm on this restrictive diet. I am not on it for medical reasons. My doctor put me on it to loose weight. He explained that women mostly gain weight in the belly and hip area eating carbs and sugar and that this diet would help get rid of that area. I said I would try this diet. I'm only a couple of weeks in and instead of giving up I asked for help on ideas for eating and hoping to find others on a diet similar to this to get extra support. I have lost weight so I don't see the point on giving up on it yet. I'm not eating 100% for this diet yet but I am trying to transition into it and learn new ways to plan meals and snacks to be within this diet. Again thank you to those who have been helpful. I really needed the advice.
There is nothing wrong with following a ketogenic diet as long as your are implementing it correctly. I would recommend that you track your calories/carbs/sodium to ensure you are. Keto diets need more sodium (3000-5000mg+) to ensure electrolyte balance. It's also possible, depending how many carbs you eat and what type of carbs you eat, that you might need magnesium/potassium supplementation (if you notice cramping, this can be an indicated). If you feel full often and can sustain a LCHF diet, then you will continue to see weight loss and improvements in metabolic markers. A large part of your weight loss upfront is going to be glycogen, modifications to waste, adjustments to sodium and some fat. It's very common to lose a lot of weight when you just start dieting (especially initially). After the first few weeks, it will start to level out and be at the standard 1-2 lbs per week rate.
Your doctor is wrong though that carbs cause fat gain and that it goes to the hips/belly. Genetics determine where fat is stored and where fat is lost first and calories and overall energy balance is what determines if you gain, lose, or maintain. If you want to see examples of this, come over to the gaining weight/body building section. Many of us are cutting on ridiculous amounts of carbs.6 -
Rebecca0224 wrote: »If you eat all the beef and pork you want I would think you would gain weight and your cholesterol would increase. You should talk to a dietician for dietary advice of this nature. MDs don't specialize in diets and it sounds like this doctor is giving general guidelines but if you eat the way you describe you can easily gain weight and have other health issues. If you eat to much of anything you will have negative side effects. There is nothing wrong with low carb if it's done correctly. Good luck
As a rule, carnivorous diets do not tend to lead to weight gain and high cholesterol. In most cases it is the opposite.
Of course if you eat too much food you will gain weight regardless.
I am not sure I would suggest that is a rule. I think it's a bit skewed since the people you are following that do it, are also into fitness.
Its like saying as a rule, plant-based are healthier people. But it's also correlated to the fact the many are paying attention to nutrition more and exercising more.4 -
Have you heard of the Trim Healthy Mama eating plan? Research this! It is amazing!
You eat healthy fats, healthy carbs, but you eat them separately. Also use stevia in place of sugar. I have lost 40# on it so far, and have 30# left to go. Check it out! It really works!! My husband is a diabetic and he has lost weight as well, and his blood sugars have levelled out, and we both have more energy and feel great!
The first fat to you lose is belly fat!! Once you change how you eat with this plan, you lose the "wheat" belly. Check it out!-5 -
Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
I used to eat blocks of cheese. Hell, I still could. I LOVE LOVE LOVE me some good cheese.3 -
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Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
But you've sat down with a bag of sugar and a spoon and eaten the whole thing?7 -
Wow some more info! Thank you. I know a lot of people want to say it's crazy and I thought so to in the beginning. I am not happy about no diet pop or crystal light but I promise you I have diet cream soda in my fridge 1 can a week is what I am allowing myself. If I can go longer I will and it's better than a can everyday.
Psulemon- leg cramps! I've noticed this the last couple of days and I truely thank you for that idea. I will seriously look into that weather it's a supplement or something more I eat to add to that.
Marm1962- no I have not found sugar free bacon and I questioned my doctor about the bacon because he said no fried food and I also know it's fat is high. He said not to worry about the sugar because it's a natural sugar. So I try to allow little things. If it's really small in sugar from something natural I let it go as well with the carbs. If it's natural and not out of a box I let it go. As long as it's not high in carbs I do try to keep it low. Otherwise I would go crazy trying to figure out what I could eat.
Jackie1002- I will look up trim healthy mama eating plan. I'm always looking for something to read. Maybe it will have great tips to help me.
As any diet you have to plan and do what you can handle. It's always going to be a change. Last time I went on a diet I did the mfp way by calorie deficit. It worked well and I don't disagree with the deficit. I'm not over here eating pounds of bacon and expecting to loose weight. I take a package of bacon, cut it in half and cook then have 2 eggs for breakfast. Lunch could be a chicken salad made from home. Last nights dinner was taco salad made from home. I'm really looking for ideas on snacks and other recipes because I know I will get bored with what I know how to make. Someone suggested a piece of ham, light mayo, pickle and wrap it up and snack. Sounds good to me. So I do appreciate the help. I understand people don't like the diet choice I'm on. That's ok but please don't message me that my doctor is stupid and so am I. If you do that is just rude. Thanks again for the help even discussing the cramps helps for ideas. If I need to supplement then I need to look into it. All things I did not know2 -
microwoman999 wrote: »Wow some more info! Thank you. I know a lot of people want to say it's crazy and I thought so to in the beginning. I am not happy about no diet pop or crystal light but I promise you I have diet cream soda in my fridge 1 can a week is what I am allowing myself. If I can go longer I will and it's better than a can everyday.
Psulemon- leg cramps! I've noticed this the last couple of days and I truely thank you for that idea. I will seriously look into that weather it's a supplement or something more I eat to add to that.
Marm1962- no I have not found sugar free bacon and I questioned my doctor about the bacon because he said no fried food and I also know it's fat is high. He said not to worry about the sugar because it's a natural sugar. So I try to allow little things. If it's really small in sugar from something natural I let it go as well with the carbs. If it's natural and not out of a box I let it go. As long as it's not high in carbs I do try to keep it low. Otherwise I would go crazy trying to figure out what I could eat.
Jackie1002- I will look up trim healthy mama eating plan. I'm always looking for something to read. Maybe it will have great tips to help me.
As any diet you have to plan and do what you can handle. It's always going to be a change. Last time I went on a diet I did the mfp way by calorie deficit. It worked well and I don't disagree with the deficit. I'm not over here eating pounds of bacon and expecting to loose weight. I take a package of bacon, cut it in half and cook then have 2 eggs for breakfast. Lunch could be a chicken salad made from home. Last nights dinner was taco salad made from home. I'm really looking for ideas on snacks and other recipes because I know I will get bored with what I know how to make. Someone suggested a piece of ham, light mayo, pickle and wrap it up and snack. Sounds good to me. So I do appreciate the help. I understand people don't like the diet choice I'm on. That's ok but please don't message me that my doctor is stupid and so am I. If you do that is just rude. Thanks again for the help even discussing the cramps helps for ideas. If I need to supplement then I need to look into it. All things I did not know
Are you tracking calories? If so, are you also tracking sodium? You can increase salt intake first, to see if that improves the leg cramping; you can also eat a lot of dark leafy greens. If those don't work, then you might need supplementation.
Also, there is nothing wrong with diet soda. It will have no impact on your weight loss or health. In fact, if you enjoy it, you can keep it in your diet as it can help improve dietary compliance.
Also, I would like to add, if you are doing low carb, you want high fat and moderate protein (~.6-.8g per lb of weight - lower end is fine if you are overweight/obese and will want more as you approach a leaner state).
Also, if people are sending you private messages, please let us know. The admin's can address that nonsense.3 -
jeanieneni wrote: »Hi Microwoman, You are now on a ketogenic diet. Congratulations! Have a look at diet doctor.com for guidance and amazing recipes. Care MUST be taken on a low-carb diet to eat sufficient fats (for energy), and sufficient sodium (salt). Very low carb levels mean we flush a lot of excess fluids out of our system, thereby losing sodium. With insufficient sodium in the blood, we die. It's THAT important. Once you get a handle on this, you will love it. It's DELICIOUS. You CAN eat cream and butter, and olive oil. Yoghurt and cheese are fine, since the cultures used in making these products have already dealt with any carbs, leaving none for you! And BTW, above-ground vegetables have little carbs, and should be okay for you to eat.
I wish you well, but DO THE RESEARCH for your health's sake. Jeanieneni
Ketogentic diets incorporate vegetables, most of the time.
Above ground vegetables ARE carbs. They just have fewer than below ground vegetables. Vegetables are awesome.
Dietdoctor.com recommends lots of them.
Ketogenic diets don't flush toxins.
But yes, do your research if you decide to do a ketogenic diet. Like, for example, the ones Dr. whats his name on the diet doctor site, recommends. No where does he recommend "no carbs".
OP: if you decide to follow a low carb or ketogenic diet, do your research. I would NOT recommend going from a standard American diet to "zero carb" with no transition, if ever. The dietdoctor website is a good place to learn. Note his "side effects" section.2 -
Jackie1002 wrote: »Have you heard of the Trim Healthy Mama eating plan? Research this! It is amazing!
You eat healthy fats, healthy carbs, but you eat them separately. Also use stevia in place of sugar. I have lost 40# on it so far, and have 30# left to go. Check it out! It really works!! My husband is a diabetic and he has lost weight as well, and his blood sugars have levelled out, and we both have more energy and feel great!
The first fat to you lose is belly fat!! Once you change how you eat with this plan, you lose the "wheat" belly. Check it out!
Congrats on your loss so far! The success gou are seeing comes from creating a calorie deficit though, not a special combination of foods, meal timing, and not eating certain foods together. It's a lot of arbitrary and unnecessary restrictions but if it's working for you and you enjoy it, good luck.6 -
I have not been tracking calories yet or sodium. Mostly trying to change my style slowly but for the most part I'm doing ok with the transition. I will start tracking what I eat so I can gauge it better. I remember when I was on my last diet I craved salt a lot. So I better watch that if that is what can cause leg cramps. No one likes cramps! There is one person in particular that has messaged me twice and I know they are trolling on here so they will see this message. Nothing nasty just rude. If I could block them it would make me feel better.0
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Sandtigress wrote: »Sugar didn't make you gain weight...EXCESS CALORIES DID!
Well yeah, obviously! Overeating sugar Bash fat all you want, but I can tell you that I have never sat with a tub of butter, unable to put the utensil down because I just HAD to have another bite. Substitute butter with ice cream however, and you'll see where my weight problems come from.
If you re-read my post, I had nothing bad to say about restricting all calories and keeping sugar in your diet. It is (not-so-simple) physics of energy in, energy out (not-so-simple due to the variables that can change the rate (metabolism) of the individual's energy expenditure, but simple due to the easy to understand concept of what goes in, must come out) This was just my viewpoint on a type of diet that a lot of people seem misinformed about. I don't think many people just jump on the ketogenic diet without doing some research first. And the research predominantly states that it's hella good for my purposes.
Research like this?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25007189
CONCLUSION: Trials show weight loss in the short-term irrespective of whether the diet is low CHO or balanced. There is probably little or no difference in weight loss and changes in cardiovascular risk factors up to two years of follow-up when overweight and obese adults, with or without type 2 diabetes, are randomised to low CHO diets and isoenergetic balanced weight loss diets.4
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