What is the daftest weight related thing someone has ever said to you?

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  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,149 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »

    (Some stuff snipped by reply-er)

    I haven't personally looked into the evidence on artifical sweeteners so I don't have a stance on it, but I would say that googling an issue and finding that people are saying bad stuff is completely irrelevant. You need to look at peer reviewed studies and make an effort to assess the quality of the study and also check whether what it claims to prove (or others claim it proves) is actually possible to prove with that study.

    As an example, the decision that studies on lung cancer and cigarettes prove causation took a lot of time, analysis and careful study design. It was not based on a bit of correlation and a hunch.

    Noooo! They're just boooorrring - all fulla big words and long sentences and no cool pictures or exclamation points. The only pictures are those chart thingies, and no kittens or bananas. I'm not gonna learn statistics, it's boring, too, and just makes you lie to people. It's almost like math, or something. And who wants to listen to a bunch of out-of-touch eggheads, anyway. They don't live in the real world. I just trust my gut, and the popular blogs. They wouldn't be popular if they weren't right, 'cos the people know what's right. Besides, I can understand what the blog people are saying, so they aren't trying to hide stuff from me.


    (Where is the sarcasm font when I need it, anyway? And yes, this reply is on topic. Those are some of the daft things I've heard some people say about weight loss. Sure, I had to read between the lines a little, and be kinda mean. Li'l ol' ladies get to be mean. Old age gotta buy us something. ;)

    And no, I'm explicitly not (not! NOT!) saying any of the specific people earlier in this sub-thread think that way, which is why I snipped those quotes. I'm just riffing on the good info in the last post. ).

    If peer-reviewed studies could be, for lack of a better term, "dumbed-down" for people like me who don't understand what some of the sciencey terms mean, I'd be grateful. Or use memes like Chemistry Cat.
  • One myth that has not only gone unchallenged on this thread but been seconded by a number of people is that sugar is not addictive. Many studies have shown that affects the brain very similarly to cocaine; it stimulates the same pleasure center and long-term abuse of sugar depletes dopamine in the brain--the very same reason cocaine is addictive. A study last year demonstrated that a nicotine-addiction drug was successful in treating sugar addiction. Etc.
  • SueSueDio
    SueSueDio Posts: 4,796 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    I'm not gonna learn statistics, it's boring, too, and just makes you lie to people. It's almost like math, or something.

    62.8% of statistics are made up on the spot, you know. Within a 0.02% tolerance, of course.

    :D
    This thread enrages me because it's about 70% stupid myths, and about 20% people who think true things are stupid myths, and 10% people who pedantically refuse to understand the actual intention behind the phrase "muscle weighs more than fat".

    I read a very long-winded comment on a blog somewhere (maybe even MFP's own blog) about this, where the comparison was demonstrated by the difference in volume between an equal weight of feathers and gold. The commenter was going about how gold is weighed in Troy ounces so the comparison wasn't valid.

    But I have to admit that the above phrase does irritate me (yes, I'm a pedant, so what? ;) ), because it's not the weight that should be compared. At least the gold/feathers thing was talking about the volume/appearance of the same weight of each. :)
  • ogtmama
    ogtmama Posts: 1,403 Member
    I think that it's not sugar that is "addictive" but overeating. If it were really sugar pizza wouldn't do the trick. Even the group is called overeaters anonymous. Those who have this issue are still using a substance/behaviour to fill a whole/need or to forget something. They are compelled to do something that is harmful to them and can't stop.

    I don't think it should be considered insulting to people who are addicted to drugs or alcohol...look at the people on My 600 pound Life who are handed a death sentence but still continue...maybe technically it's more like a gambling or sex addiction but if it's ruining your lifeand you can't stop, is the argument really worth having?
  • ogtmama
    ogtmama Posts: 1,403 Member
    ogtmama wrote: »
    I think that it's not sugar that is "addictive" but overeating. If it were really sugar pizza wouldn't do the trick. Even the group is called overeaters anonymous. Those who have this issue are still using a substance/behaviour to fill a whole/need or to forget something. They are compelled to do something that is harmful to them and can't stop.

    I don't think it should be considered insulting to people who are addicted to drugs or alcohol...look at the people on My 600 pound Life who are handed a death sentence but still continue...maybe technically it's more like a gambling or sex addiction but if it's ruining your lifeand you can't stop, is the argument really worth having?

    To your first point, habitual behavior is different than physical addiction/chemical dependency.

    Your second point is a good one, although I still believe it's insulting because the people in my life (either IRL or on social media) who claim they're addicted to sugar are nowhere near the "My 600 Pound Life" stage. In rarified cases that you see on that show sure, their lives are ruined. But for everyone else, playing the "addict" card is just an excuse and that's what I find insulting.

    And while I've never been a drug addict, I've witnessed it first hand which obviously colors my view on the subject. I'll happily concede that point. :)

    But...and I'm not saying this is a fact but rather just the way I look at it. Are not all addicts addicted in varying degrees?

    The fact that I only smoked 10 cigarettes a day and not 3 packs didn't mean I wasn't addicted to them. I was able to quit quickly and relatively easily because of a change in mindset...that doesn't mean that at one point I wouldn't have swam across an ocean for just one cigarette.

    I see the 600 pound people as the people who smoked 3 packs a day. People who are "only" 100 pounds overweight, staring at joint replacements and diabetes and still unable to compel themselves to stop (I think) have something akin to my 10 cigarette a day problem.

    Just my humble opinion.
  • ogtmama
    ogtmama Posts: 1,403 Member
    edited February 2017
    I don't know. I just think if you are compelled to do something you hate and wish you could stop but can't, then it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

    Anyhoo...the daftest thing anyone ever saidd to me was that I was gaining weight despite working out because I was putting on muscle (during my very easy weekly sessions with a personal trainer) I swear to god she didn't even ask me what I was eating.
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    edited February 2017
    ogtmama wrote: »
    I don't know. I just think if you are compelled to do something you hate and wish you could stop but can't, then it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

    Anyhoo...the daftest thing anyone ever saidd to me was that I was gaining weight despite working out because I was putting on muscle (during my very easy weekly sessions with a personal trainer) I swear to god ahe didn't even ask me what I was eating.

    There's a difference between addictions that are behavior based and addictions that are substance based (like gambling or sex).

    It doesn't mean that it's not an addiction in the case of the 600 Pound Life people, it's just that it's not a substance addiction.

  • ogtmama
    ogtmama Posts: 1,403 Member
    edited February 2017
    ogtmama wrote: »
    I don't know. I just think if you are compelled to do something you hate and wish you could stop but can't, then it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

    Anyhoo...the daftest thing anyone ever saidd to me was that I was gaining weight despite working out because I was putting on muscle (during my very easy weekly sessions with a personal trainer) I swear to god ahe didn't even ask me what I was eating.

    There's a difference between addictions that are behavior based and addictions that are substance based (like gambling or sex).

    It doesn't mean that it's not an addiction in the case of the 600 Pound Life People, it's just that it's not a substance addiction.

    I said it was a behavioural addiction. :)
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    edited February 2017
    ogtmama wrote: »
    ogtmama wrote: »
    I don't know. I just think if you are compelled to do something you hate and wish you could stop but can't, then it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

    Anyhoo...the daftest thing anyone ever saidd to me was that I was gaining weight despite working out because I was putting on muscle (during my very easy weekly sessions with a personal trainer) I swear to god ahe didn't even ask me what I was eating.

    There's a difference between addictions that are behavior based and addictions that are substance based (like gambling or sex).

    It doesn't mean that it's not an addiction in the case of the 600 Pound Life People, it's just that it's not a substance addiction.

    I said it was a behavioural addiction.

    Then I'm not sure why you said "I don't know" after I posted about it being a behavioral addiction.

    I guess our wires just got crossed.
  • ogtmama
    ogtmama Posts: 1,403 Member
    ogtmama wrote: »
    ogtmama wrote: »
    I don't know. I just think if you are compelled to do something you hate and wish you could stop but can't, then it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

    Anyhoo...the daftest thing anyone ever saidd to me was that I was gaining weight despite working out because I was putting on muscle (during my very easy weekly sessions with a personal trainer) I swear to god ahe didn't even ask me what I was eating.

    There's a difference between addictions that are behavior based and addictions that are substance based (like gambling or sex).

    It doesn't mean that it's not an addiction in the case of the 600 Pound Life People, it's just that it's not a substance addiction.

    I said it was a behavioural addiction.

    Then I'm not sure why you said "I don't know" after I posted about it being a behavioral addiction.

    I guess our wires just got crossed.

    I didn't see yours. Sorry for the confusion.
  • lkpducky
    lkpducky Posts: 17,636 Member
    edited February 2017
    ogtmama wrote: »
    Anyhoo...the daftest thing anyone ever saidd to me was that I was gaining weight despite working out because I was putting on muscle (during my very easy weekly sessions with a personal trainer) I swear to god she didn't even ask me what I was eating.

    That piggybacks onto what a former trainer of mine said - she couldn't understand why I hadn't gained any muscle after 8 weeks of weight lifting. I had lost 8 pounds and according to the hand-held BIA device she insisted on using (learn to use calipers, you bugger!) 7 pounds were fat and 1 was water? muscle? I don't know.
    I was in Weight Watchers and lowering my calorie intake so I wasn't eating enough to build muscle. And she already knew I was on WW.

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