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What is the daftest weight related thing someone has ever said to you?
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Overweight woman I know is next to me as I sit down with my breakfast:
"I wish I could eat like that..."
After I already worked out for almost an hour that morning and over 2 hours the previous evening.9 -
The key phrase (allegedly) used by the Pediatrician here is exercise has nothing to do with weight loss...airforceman1979 wrote: »My son's pediatrician just told him Food Matters more than exercise exercise has nothing to do with weight loss
Use of that phrase means s/he is ignorant of exercise physiology, at best.
CICO clearly demonstrates that the Pediatrician is wrong.
Exercise is a form of Calories Out.
Yes, it is virtually impossible for most people to out-train a bad diet, but that does not mean exercise does not increase your CO.
Maybe more importantly, proper exercise is important to overall fitness and quality of life.
Just "losing weight" via diet alone means you can lose just as much muscle as fat, which lowers your BMR.
If someone insists on thinking in terms of dieting to "lose weight" instead of using proper diet:CI and exercise:CO to cut fat and at least preserve muscle*, then I have no sympathy when they complain that they cannot keep the "weight" off or that they hit a plateau.
If you don't want to do the work in the gym then fine. But don't complain about the results.
It is those sort of oversimplifications that make this process seem so complicated to many people.
An "authority" says a one sound-byte phrase and then we have to come along and convince them that this person is "wrong".
It is especially hard because "this doctor" is saying what many people want to hear: "You do not have to do any work."
So here it is: Look at what shape these "authorities" are in.
How healthy and physically fit are they?
Do those "authorities" have the body you secretly dream of having? If so, are they trying to sell you something?**
Are they at least in better shape** than the people telling you something different, for free?
No? Then why are you giving their advice so much credence?
* I firmly believe that everyone should be weight training to GAIN muscle and increase their BMR but that is another discussion
* * Steroids, etc are another issue. Don't listen to illegal drug users either.6 -
Fat turns into muscle.7
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Wow. Just.. Wow.cerise_noir wrote: »Fat turns into muscle.
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This was in my email today offering me green tea pills. The same kind Dr. Oz told everyone to take to lose that belly fat!1 -
I know, right? It was in a post arguing that women can gain muscle during a paper route....Wow. Just.. Wow.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »
Yes. Some say it's just a mouth habit, but from experience it has a lot to do with appetite too. I was at least 500 calories hungrier (true hunger) when I quit, not just oral fixation.
As I quit smoking (I wasn't tracking at the time) I definitely know it's true of both eating and oral fixation. I was just amused by the whole of it in general, as obviously we know now that smoking isn't a healthy option either. Also, it's toasted! well now you make me want toast dammit.1 -
A girl at work is constantly saying she can lose weight just by cutting out fats. She's done this for 2yrs and not lost anything. She says it doesn't matter about calories.
My mom watches calories (but I'm pretty sure not portion sizes) and calories on packages. Her main focus these days seems to be fat. No matter how much I try and tell her it's the calories and she shouldn't worry unless her dr told her to avoid some form of fat(s). She also claims using a food scale is too confusing. Oh momma, I love you.3 -
cerise_noir wrote: »I know, right? It was in a post arguing that women can gain muscle during a paper route....
Oh, I was in that thread I think!
Humans...2 -
And it was me she was refuting. I read it first thing this morning and just couldn't deal.2 -
"Hey! Is that your uterus over there? Get back here!"Not directed at me, but women used to be barred from competing in the ski jump for fear that it would weaken the muscles holding their uterus in place and the uterus would 'wander.'
"Stop wandering around or you will be grounded!"
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"Hey! Is that your uterus over there? Get back here!"
"Stop wandering around or you will be grounded!"
Yeah, I'm not sure where they thought it would go. To the Olympic village for a drink?11 -
"Hey! Is that your uterus over there? Get back here!"
"Stop wandering around or you will be grounded!"
Maybe all those wandering uteri are just bored. Wouldn't you be bored if you were cooped up inside all day?
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It's evolution's whole job to ensure that people of a certain level of life competence don't make it very far. Sadly, with product liability law what it is these days, most of them last long enough to breed.
Very true... Darwin's Law isn't what it used to be.
The last words of many a person about to remove themselves from the gene pool - "Hey guys, watch this!"
Re: the diet soda thing - I worked in McDonald's for a while once, and the number of overweight people (nearly always women) who'd order a huge meal and a diet Coke was astonishing. Somehow they thought it was okay to have an extra burger because of the Coke.
(I know some people just prefer the taste, and I now know that sometimes you can fit a meal like that into your daily allowance anyway, but overhearing many of them talk it was obvious they thought the Coke was somehow cancelling out the extra calories like someone else said.)2 -
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This was in my email today offering me green tea pills. The same kind Dr. Oz told everyone to take to lose that belly fat!
"He is a proponent of alternative medicine and has been criticized by physicians, government officials and publications, including Popular Science and The New Yorker, for giving non-scientific advice. In a Senate hearing on weight loss scams, Senator Claire McCaskill chided Oz, saying: "The scientific community is almost monolithic against you in terms of the efficacy of the three products you call miracles". An investigation by the British Medical Journal found that 46% of his claims were misleading or incorrect." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz
Yet another "celebrity" taken as an "authority".
Let's see:
Has the body you secretly dream of having ... nope, Ding!
Without trying to sell you something ... nope, Ding!
In better shape than the people with different advice for free ... nope, Ding!
He hit the trifecta!0 -
I want to ask all the acv thread starters where they are getting their info from. Just curious6
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singingflutelady wrote: »I want to ask all the acv thread starters where they are getting their info from. Just curious
I tried, but the thread got pulled before I could get a reply. I was being nice and everything.4 -
@Tacklewasher you're in luck. There's a new one4
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"Luck..." You keep using that word.. I do not think it means what you think it means...singingflutelady wrote: »@Tacklewasher you're in luck. There's a new one
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"He is a proponent of alternative medicine and has been criticized by physicians, government officials and publications, including Popular Science and The New Yorker, for giving non-scientific advice. In a Senate hearing on weight loss scams, Senator Claire McCaskill chided Oz, saying: "The scientific community is almost monolithic against you in terms of the efficacy of the three products you call miracles". An investigation by the British Medical Journal found that 46% of his claims were misleading or incorrect." -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_Oz
Yet another "celebrity" taken as an "authority".
Let's see:
Has the body you secretly dream of having ... nope, Ding!
Without trying to sell you something ... nope, Ding!
In better shape than the people with different advice for free ... nope, Ding!
He hit the trifecta!
That's not how I would evaluate a quack, though. Many people who are in excellent shape and give "free" advice without monetizing anything else (youtube ad revenue doesn't count, right?) can be all kinds of bonkers, and many people with a wealth of knowledge to share use that knowledge to make a living and don't look like Mr. Olympia. A quack is easy to spot, though, simply by looking at what they're preaching or pushing and a touch of common sense.4 -
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singingflutelady wrote: »I want to ask all the acv thread starters where they are getting their info from. Just curious
I saw an ad for it on facebook.1 -
itsthehumidity wrote: »That calories in, calories out is all there is to weight loss. I don't consider calories at all and I've lost a great deal of weight. It required a few weird tricks, but now I'm as thin as I've ever been, and doctors hate me.
Iseewhatyoudidthere9 -
They did a study while back, it is due to the Industrial Revolution, in part.Very true... Darwin's Law isn't what it used to be.
Medical advances are also a big reason.
We are no longer skimming off the gene pool fast enough.
In fact "dumb" people (IQ 99 or lower, IQ 100 is average intelligence) are out-breeding people of above average intelligence (IQ 101+) at a rate of about 3 to 1.
"Survival of the fittest" roughly means "Survival of the form that will leave the most copies of itself in successive generations."
So, we have that to look forward to.
A related study points the the number of C-Section births passing on the genes for a small birth canal that would have previously killed the baby and/or mother in childbirth.1 -
The evaluation was not for quacks, per se.amusedmonkey wrote: »That's not how I would evaluate a quack
That was for whether or not you should give someone's fitness advice preferential treatment.
Skepticism and spotting quacks in general is a different discussion.
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itsthehumidity wrote: »That calories in, calories out is all there is to weight loss. I don't consider calories at all and I've lost a great deal of weight. It required a few weird tricks, but now I'm as thin as I've ever been, and doctors hate me.
I see what you did there 4 -
itsthehumidity wrote: »That calories in, calories out is all there is to weight loss. I don't consider calories at all and I've lost a great deal of weight. It required a few weird tricks, but now I'm as thin as I've ever been, and doctors hate me.
Please tell me that you forgot to hold up your sarcasm sign.5 -
Not directed at me, but women used to be barred from competing in the ski jump for fear that it would weaken the muscles holding their uterus in place and the uterus would 'wander.'
I believe this used to be thought about any form of exertion. It was believed the wandering womb would send the woman insane. This is what the word "hysteria" means (note the similarity to "hysterectomy")5 -
My mom watches calories (but I'm pretty sure not portion sizes) and calories on packages. Her main focus these days seems to be fat. No matter how much I try and tell her it's the calories and she shouldn't worry unless her dr told her to avoid some form of fat(s). She also claims using a food scale is too confusing. Oh momma, I love you.
Sounds like my family and sodium. They were all severely obese and told to cut out high sodium foods to control high blood pressure. Perfect sense. So when they cut out the chips, cold cuts, fast foods, processed meats, etc they lost weight. So they concluded sodium caused their obesity, not their poor earing habits. But when they found the low sodium substitutes for these and added them back to their diet, guess what? That gained the weight back. I've suggested portion control and calories but "that doesn't work, it's the sodium." Gotta love 'em. At least they still watch their sodium.9 -
Sugar is a carcinogen obviously because superfoods need an opposite. OF COURSE.10
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