Why is my weight loss unsuccessful
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »@KT6377 Can you please link to me this study? Because Starvation mode other then lean muscle loss resulting in Lower BMR based from VLCD is the only thing i have ever heard of.. starvation mode where the body holds onto fat has only ever been proven as a myth.
Here's the first but you'll need access to an academic research database to read the full article (you might have access to one if you are a student):
http://www.jdcjournal.com/article/1056-8727(94)00077-8/pdf
Same deal here:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080620195455.htm
Neither of these articles support your assertion thaton an extremely low calorie diet, you do go into a form of 'starvation mode' because your leptin hormone levels drop which signals your body to hold onto its fat.
The first one isn't even based on a study, it's an attempt to come up with a theory to explain seven observed cases of "initially obese individuals who, during the course of a strenuous weight-reduction program, developed diabetes mellitus." No control group, and nothing to do with the body holding onto its fat.
The second one has to do with using leptin therapy to deter changes in brain activity relating to visual food cues after an obese individual loses weight. Again, nothing to do with the body holding onto its fat.8 -
chynaloveee1 wrote: »I've been clean eating and working out for about 2 weeks but I see no changes. I stick to my diet religiously (egg whites for breakfast, 6oz of chicken, 5oz of veggies for dinner and lunch... drink only water and maybe a protein shake if I need it) ... I see a lot of people saying they see change fast and I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong. I stick to my 1200 calorie diet with high protein and low (non) carbs. I also do an hour of cardio everyday plus weight training. What can I do to start seeing results?
Sometimes progress just takes time!0 -
chynaloveee1 wrote: »I've been clean eating and working out for about 2 weeks but I see no changes. I stick to my diet religiously (egg whites for breakfast, 6oz of chicken, 5oz of veggies for dinner and lunch... drink only water and maybe a protein shake if I need it) ... I see a lot of people saying they see change fast and I'm wondering what I'm doing wrong. I stick to my 1200 calorie diet with high protein and low (non) carbs. I also do an hour of cardio everyday plus weight training. What can I do to start seeing results?
Sometimes progress just takes time!
And the winner is.........end thread.0 -
Time, give it time..let your body adjust. i always start losing weeks after I start.. like my body is adjusting. it isn't as simple as CICO as everyone says. If that were the case..we could all easily lose exactly what we wanted when we wanted. I think my metabolism takes time to get into the fat burning mode.0
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sarahrusse_ wrote: »I don't think you have to weigh your food that's ridiculous, nobody is perfect.
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »JeromeBarry1 wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »
recommended serving sizes are often never right
Look at this photo, the package says "1 muffin" but the gram weight is 20g LOWER then what the muffin actually weighs, making the calories in that muffin much higher then what is listed on the package.
That photo also shows the plastic package touching the weighing plate, which can easily be the additional 20 grams. I'm just saying.
My morning Ole Xtreme Wellness tortilla is supposed to be 45 grams, but rarely is. Today it was 43 grams.
And thats great.. while i hardly doubt that itty bitty amount of plastic grazing the scale is adding 20g of weight, im not saying that things are ALWAYS more, but they do often, i weight all my foods and they are usually more. Im surprised when it isnt but it happens far less often.
Also, Jeromebarry1, If my memory serves me correctly you have had a lot of moments yourself where you thought things were but then found out it wasn't actually the case, i remember reading your statuses to that effect, the photo is a guide to help people truly understand that packaging and foods can be misleading, no matter if they weigh less or more.. Regardless the outcome finding fault in the photo seems silly, the lesson behind it still remains valid and useful.
LOL it is kind of funny that you are discounting that "itty bitty amount of plastic grazing the scale" yet you are trying to DRILL it into the OPs head and anyone that will listen about how important it is to be accurate with weighing!!!
Although, I agree with the point of your posts and pictures don't talk out of both sides of your mouth. The photo is not accurate
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The answer is simple. you are not logging and weighing accurately. How do you know how much you're actually consuming? let's say 16 chips is one serving, and if you're weighing it out, 1 oz. well, some chips might be big, some might be small. each chip varies so you don't know how much you're really consuming until you weigh it on on the scale.
forget measuring cups, spoons, etc. weigh everything out on a food scale for the next two weeks and see how it goes.
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Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »@KT6377 Can you please link to me this study? Because Starvation mode other then lean muscle loss resulting in Lower BMR based from VLCD is the only thing i have ever heard of.. starvation mode where the body holds onto fat has only ever been proven as a myth.
Here's the first but you'll need access to an academic research database to read the full article (you might have access to one if you are a student):
http://www.jdcjournal.com/article/1056-8727(94)00077-8/pdf
Same deal here:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080620195455.htm
While i cant read the first one, the second one uses a lot of words like "Might".. which kind of leads me to believe that this is mostly just a theory. In the two years ive been on this site, so far you are the first person to ever bring up this point of view in regards to 'starvation mode.'.. but i suppose i could of just missed some people mentioning it.. i am not here 24/7
Most academic, peer reviewed articles use that language. Most science is speculation at best and for every piece of research published there is another one trying to disprove it. That's what doing research is all about
No - an emphatic no.
Academic, peer reviewed articles use specific verbiage. Pseudo-science, junk science use vague, non-specific terms to justify positions that are not supported by evidence. "Might" is an automatic disqualifier and is considered "weasel wording".9 -
I find it ironic that a bunch of people on a thread for weight loss advice and support, who are all here because they at some point needed to lose weight, think that they are all experts on weight loss. You clearly DO NOT have all the answers.
Everyone's body and metabolism is different. The point you are at in your life also contributes to how you lose weight as much as what you eat, when you eat, how you cook it, how you weight it, and how you log it. For example, it took me 10 weeks to lose 25lbs when I was age 34, and it's taken me 8 weeks to lose 6 at age 39 and I am using the same method, similar foods, and same level of activity. My sister lost 61lbs over 6 months eating the same number of calories, and similar foods as I do. The variable here: my thyroid function has been declining but isn't low enough yet for corrective medication.
So, unless someone wants to step up and identify themselves as a board certified endocrinologist, everyone's point of view and advice is antecdotal at best.0 -
I find it ironic that a bunch of people on a thread for weight loss advice and support, who are all here because they at some point needed to lose weight, think that they are all experts on weight loss. You clearly DO NOT have all the answers.
Nope. But we have the answers that worked for us. And sharing those answers may be helpful to the OP or to someone else reading. As I don't have a thyroid issue, your information is not helpful to me. But that doesn't mean it won't be helpful to someone else. Different strokes for different folks.15 -
I find it ironic that a bunch of people on a thread for weight loss advice and support, who are all here because they at some point needed to lose weight, think that they are all experts on weight loss. You clearly DO NOT have all the answers.
Everyone's body and metabolism is different. The point you are at in your life also contributes to how you lose weight as much as what you eat, when you eat, how you cook it, how you weight it, and how you log it. For example, it took me 10 weeks to lose 25lbs when I was age 34, and it's taken me 8 weeks to lose 6 at age 39 and I am using the same method, similar foods, and same level of activity. My sister lost 61lbs over 6 months eating the same number of calories, and similar foods as I do. The variable here: my thyroid function has been declining but isn't low enough yet for corrective medication.
So, unless someone wants to step up and identify themselves as a board certified endocrinologist, everyone's point of view and advice is antecdotal at best.
A calorie deficit of @ 3500 calories per week will get you about a pound of loss no matter who you are, what you are, where you are, what you eat, where you eat, how you eat, how you log, how you measure.....etc. This is pretty much a scientific fact, your post however, was full of anecdotal fluff. So, unless you want to step up and drop a new law of physics on us, well, you know.11 -
Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »@KT6377 Can you please link to me this study? Because Starvation mode other then lean muscle loss resulting in Lower BMR based from VLCD is the only thing i have ever heard of.. starvation mode where the body holds onto fat has only ever been proven as a myth.
Here's the first but you'll need access to an academic research database to read the full article (you might have access to one if you are a student):
http://www.jdcjournal.com/article/1056-8727(94)00077-8/pdf
Same deal here:
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080620195455.htm
While i cant read the first one, the second one uses a lot of words like "Might".. which kind of leads me to believe that this is mostly just a theory. In the two years ive been on this site, so far you are the first person to ever bring up this point of view in regards to 'starvation mode.'.. but i suppose i could of just missed some people mentioning it.. i am not here 24/7
Most academic, peer reviewed articles use that language. Most science is speculation at best and for every piece of research published there is another one trying to disprove it. That's what doing research is all about
No - an emphatic no.
Academic, peer reviewed articles use specific verbiage. Pseudo-science, junk science use vague, non-specific terms to justify positions that are not supported by evidence. "Might" is an automatic disqualifier and is considered "weasel wording".
The word 'might' is very frequently used in academic writing to imply that there is a relationship between two factors but the cause of the relationship is not 100% conclusive. When 'might' is used in this sense it implies that additional research is needed to fully support the hypothesis. It does not in any way indicate that the article is 'junk science'. If you need more examples of the word 'might' being used in scientific research I'm more than happy to provide them for you. If all research findings published were 100% conclusive there would be nothing left to write about.0 -
cerise_noir wrote: »Weigh foods raw (meat, pasta, rice) as generally the nutrition information on the packaging is for raw.
While you are correct in theory, if a person cooks and eats with family, weighing their own serving of rice/meat raw then cooking it in a separate pot isn't practical. I have had complete success weighing cooked servings of rice/pasta/meat/veg/etc. and logging them using entries for cooked foods in the database. The key is finding accurate entries in the database with grams (or ounces) as an option - or working out the mass of 1 cup and weighing out that much each time.
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Christine_72 wrote: »I shudder when i find a recipe i really want to try and the amounts are listed in cups, spoons and God forbid, scoops!!! I keep searching until i find a similar recipe with accurate weights in grams.
I have a photocopy of a page from my mother's ancient cookbook stuck to the side of my fridge. It lists volume-to-weight conversions for flour, sugar, etc. (all the common baking ingredients). I use it to convert recipes and it works great.5 -
I find it ironic that a bunch of people on a thread for weight loss advice and support, who are all here because they at some point needed to lose weight, think that they are all experts on weight loss. You clearly DO NOT have all the answers.
Everyone's body and metabolism is different. The point you are at in your life also contributes to how you lose weight as much as what you eat, when you eat, how you cook it, how you weight it, and how you log it. For example, it took me 10 weeks to lose 25lbs when I was age 34, and it's taken me 8 weeks to lose 6 at age 39 and I am using the same method, similar foods, and same level of activity. My sister lost 61lbs over 6 months eating the same number of calories, and similar foods as I do. The variable here: my thyroid function has been declining but isn't low enough yet for corrective medication.
So, unless someone wants to step up and identify themselves as a board certified endocrinologist, everyone's point of view and advice is antecdotal at best.
Seems to be a case of projection. Few if any claim to have all the answers, but the more respected posters do question all the answers rather than answer all the questions. Personally I prefer those who stand behind the veracity of their statements than rely on letters behind one's name.
Individual metabolism is strikingly similar - the only standout variable being lean muscle mass. Age related change is solely linked to decreased muscle mass. Even highly trained specialists make poor analysts of their own behavior due to the inherent bias involved. Thyroid function carries ~5% impact on REE/BMR. This is a variable you self identified contradictory to the data. What was the result of your full thyroid panel?8 -
SusanMFindlay wrote: »Christine_72 wrote: »I shudder when i find a recipe i really want to try and the amounts are listed in cups, spoons and God forbid, scoops!!! I keep searching until i find a similar recipe with accurate weights in grams.
I have a photocopy of a page from my mother's ancient cookbook stuck to the side of my fridge. It lists volume-to-weight conversions for flour, sugar, etc. (all the common baking ingredients). I use it to convert recipes and it works great.
The USDA site lists multiple "servings" for almost all items and lists suggested weights for said volumes. For example, the 1 cup listing for Unbleached AP Flour has it also labeled as 125g. I tend to use it's volume-to-weight suggestions.0 -
I find it ironic that a bunch of people on a thread for weight loss advice and support, who are all here because they at some point needed to lose weight, think that they are all experts on weight loss. You clearly DO NOT have all the answers.
Everyone's body and metabolism is different. The point you are at in your life also contributes to how you lose weight as much as what you eat, when you eat, how you cook it, how you weight it, and how you log it. For example, it took me 10 weeks to lose 25lbs when I was age 34, and it's taken me 8 weeks to lose 6 at age 39 and I am using the same method, similar foods, and same level of activity. My sister lost 61lbs over 6 months eating the same number of calories, and similar foods as I do. The variable here: my thyroid function has been declining but isn't low enough yet for corrective medication.
So, unless someone wants to step up and identify themselves as a board certified endocrinologist, everyone's point of view and advice is antecdotal at best.
Seems to be a case of projection. Few if any claim to have all the answers, but the more respected posters do question all the answers rather than answer all the questions. Personally I prefer those who stand behind the veracity of their statements than rely on letters behind one's name.
Individual metabolism is strikingly similar - the only standout variable being lean muscle mass. Age related change is solely linked to decreased muscle mass. Even highly trained specialists make poor analysts of their own behavior due to the inherent bias involved. Thyroid function carries ~5% impact on REE/BMR. This is a variable you self identified contradictory to the data. What was the result of your full thyroid panel?
I've had 4 thyroid panels over the last three years. However, if your not a board certified endocrinologist my sharing those numbers with you does me zero good. I prefer to stick with the advise of professionals with the letters behind their names when it comes to matters of my health. If I want a google based medical diagnosis I'm fully capable of doing that myself.1 -
100 years from now they'll be laughing at us saying "I can't believe they didn't know XYZ..."
I'll always be a student till the day I die.4 -
I find it ironic that a bunch of people on a thread for weight loss advice and support, who are all here because they at some point needed to lose weight, think that they are all experts on weight loss. You clearly DO NOT have all the answers.
Everyone's body and metabolism is different. The point you are at in your life also contributes to how you lose weight as much as what you eat, when you eat, how you cook it, how you weight it, and how you log it. For example, it took me 10 weeks to lose 25lbs when I was age 34, and it's taken me 8 weeks to lose 6 at age 39 and I am using the same method, similar foods, and same level of activity. My sister lost 61lbs over 6 months eating the same number of calories, and similar foods as I do. The variable here: my thyroid function has been declining but isn't low enough yet for corrective medication.
So, unless someone wants to step up and identify themselves as a board certified endocrinologist, everyone's point of view and advice is antecdotal at best.
Seems to be a case of projection. Few if any claim to have all the answers, but the more respected posters do question all the answers rather than answer all the questions. Personally I prefer those who stand behind the veracity of their statements than rely on letters behind one's name.
Individual metabolism is strikingly similar - the only standout variable being lean muscle mass. Age related change is solely linked to decreased muscle mass. Even highly trained specialists make poor analysts of their own behavior due to the inherent bias involved. Thyroid function carries ~5% impact on REE/BMR. This is a variable you self identified contradictory to the data. What was the result of your full thyroid panel?
I've had 4 thyroid panels over the last three years. However, if your not a board certified endocrinologist my sharing those numbers with you does me zero good. I prefer to stick with the advise of professionals with the letters behind their names when it comes to matters of my health. If I want a google based medical diagnosis I'm fully capable of doing that myself.
My friend has hypothyroid. has been able to lose weight. another has no thyroid, she's thin as a rail. thyroid problems don't account for massive weight gain the same way PCOS doesn't. 10-15 lbs, yes but above that is attributed to just eating too many calories.3 -
Colorscheme wrote: »I find it ironic that a bunch of people on a thread for weight loss advice and support, who are all here because they at some point needed to lose weight, think that they are all experts on weight loss. You clearly DO NOT have all the answers.
Everyone's body and metabolism is different. The point you are at in your life also contributes to how you lose weight as much as what you eat, when you eat, how you cook it, how you weight it, and how you log it. For example, it took me 10 weeks to lose 25lbs when I was age 34, and it's taken me 8 weeks to lose 6 at age 39 and I am using the same method, similar foods, and same level of activity. My sister lost 61lbs over 6 months eating the same number of calories, and similar foods as I do. The variable here: my thyroid function has been declining but isn't low enough yet for corrective medication.
So, unless someone wants to step up and identify themselves as a board certified endocrinologist, everyone's point of view and advice is antecdotal at best.
Seems to be a case of projection. Few if any claim to have all the answers, but the more respected posters do question all the answers rather than answer all the questions. Personally I prefer those who stand behind the veracity of their statements than rely on letters behind one's name.
Individual metabolism is strikingly similar - the only standout variable being lean muscle mass. Age related change is solely linked to decreased muscle mass. Even highly trained specialists make poor analysts of their own behavior due to the inherent bias involved. Thyroid function carries ~5% impact on REE/BMR. This is a variable you self identified contradictory to the data. What was the result of your full thyroid panel?
I've had 4 thyroid panels over the last three years. However, if your not a board certified endocrinologist my sharing those numbers with you does me zero good. I prefer to stick with the advise of professionals with the letters behind their names when it comes to matters of my health. If I want a google based medical diagnosis I'm fully capable of doing that myself.
My friend has hypothyroid. has been able to lose weight. another has no thyroid, she's thin as a rail. thyroid problems don't account for massive weight gain the same way PCOS doesn't. 10-15 lbs, yes but above that is attributed to just eating too many calories.Colorscheme wrote: »I find it ironic that a bunch of people on a thread for weight loss advice and support, who are all here because they at some point needed to lose weight, think that they are all experts on weight loss. You clearly DO NOT have all the answers.
Everyone's body and metabolism is different. The point you are at in your life also contributes to how you lose weight as much as what you eat, when you eat, how you cook it, how you weight it, and how you log it. For example, it took me 10 weeks to lose 25lbs when I was age 34, and it's taken me 8 weeks to lose 6 at age 39 and I am using the same method, similar foods, and same level of activity. My sister lost 61lbs over 6 months eating the same number of calories, and similar foods as I do. The variable here: my thyroid function has been declining but isn't low enough yet for corrective medication.
So, unless someone wants to step up and identify themselves as a board certified endocrinologist, everyone's point of view and advice is antecdotal at best.
Seems to be a case of projection. Few if any claim to have all the answers, but the more respected posters do question all the answers rather than answer all the questions. Personally I prefer those who stand behind the veracity of their statements than rely on letters behind one's name.
Individual metabolism is strikingly similar - the only standout variable being lean muscle mass. Age related change is solely linked to decreased muscle mass. Even highly trained specialists make poor analysts of their own behavior due to the inherent bias involved. Thyroid function carries ~5% impact on REE/BMR. This is a variable you self identified contradictory to the data. What was the result of your full thyroid panel?
I've had 4 thyroid panels over the last three years. However, if your not a board certified endocrinologist my sharing those numbers with you does me zero good. I prefer to stick with the advise of professionals with the letters behind their names when it comes to matters of my health. If I want a google based medical diagnosis I'm fully capable of doing that myself.
My friend has hypothyroid. has been able to lose weight. another has no thyroid, she's thin as a rail. thyroid problems don't account for massive weight gain the same way PCOS doesn't. 10-15 lbs, yes but above that is attributed to just eating too many calories.
Again, every body is different. My step-mother also doesn't have a thyroid but she does have issues losing weight. She is following the exact same diet that my father follows, as prescribed by his endocrinologist and under the supervision of a certified nutritionist, which is also the same diet my father lost 120lbs on. Just because YOU didn't experience something does not mean that it isn't someone else's reality. I've yet to hear an actual expert weigh in on the topic and I'm still only hearing anecdotal experiences presented as facts.0
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