Humans are not designed to drink cows milk
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http://www.animalsaustralia.org/issues/dairy.php
The dairy industry enjoys a carefully crafted public image that leaves many consumers with visions of happy animals and green rolling hills. In reality this tenuous image masks a history of animal abuse, which continues unabated due to a lack of public awareness.
Many milk drinkers are shocked to learn that dairy cows are kept almost continually pregnant in order to maximise their production of milk — milk that nature intended for their baby calves. Once born, bewildered calves are separated from their grieving mothers and routinely killed as 'waste products' before they are even a week old.
Already born to a terrible fate, the dairy industry recently lobbied government to prevent reforms, and it remains legally permissible to withhold liquid food from these unwanted calves for the last 30 hours of their lives as they are trucked and prepared for slaughter.
The dairy industry has long operated under a veil of secrecy. They know that many consumers of milk would find the callous treatment of bobby calves completely unacceptable and rethink their financial support of the industry. If the treatment of bobby calves is to improve, it is imperative that the industry becomes accountable and for the public to exercise their consumer power.
Oh. Look. More ignorance. Education is hard I guess.
Yep you lot are very ignorant. Carry on with it. I guess you don't like it when facts are presented...you turn to verbal insulting then. Shame.
I would agree that response was petty and useless. Just an insult without any offer to prove your post wrong. Assuming that the web site is true, what 'proof' is there that this is a widespread practice, either within Australia or worldwide. It's easy to imagine that in any industry, including the food industry, there will be those that produce low quality product by questionable means. But "proof" that the entire industry uses these practices would require more than just one video from one website.
I mean, it is the internet. Anyone can start up a site and post a video, true or not. I'm at word and can't watch the video, but do they name the farm(s) at which it was shot? Do they provide the farmers point of view? Or is it pure sensationalism? Do they really offer 'proof'?0 -
http://www.animalsaustralia.org/issues/dairy.php
The dairy industry enjoys a carefully crafted public image that leaves many consumers with visions of happy animals and green rolling hills. In reality this tenuous image masks a history of animal abuse, which continues unabated due to a lack of public awareness.
Many milk drinkers are shocked to learn that dairy cows are kept almost continually pregnant in order to maximise their production of milk — milk that nature intended for their baby calves. Once born, bewildered calves are separated from their grieving mothers and routinely killed as 'waste products' before they are even a week old.
Already born to a terrible fate, the dairy industry recently lobbied government to prevent reforms, and it remains legally permissible to withhold liquid food from these unwanted calves for the last 30 hours of their lives as they are trucked and prepared for slaughter.
The dairy industry has long operated under a veil of secrecy. They know that many consumers of milk would find the callous treatment of bobby calves completely unacceptable and rethink their financial support of the industry. If the treatment of bobby calves is to improve, it is imperative that the industry becomes accountable and for the public to exercise their consumer power.
Oh. Look. More ignorance. Education is hard I guess.
Yep you lot are very ignorant. Carry on with it. I guess you don't like it when facts are presented...you turn to verbal insulting then. Shame.
I would agree that response was petty and useless. Just an insult without any offer to prove your post wrong. Assuming that the web site is true, what 'proof' is there that this is a widespread practice, either within Australia or worldwide. It's easy to imagine that in any industry, including the food industry, there will be those that produce low quality product by questionable means. But "proof" that the entire industry uses these practices would require more than just one video from one website.
I mean, it is the internet. Anyone can start up a site and post a video, true or not. I'm at word and can't watch the video, but do they name the farm(s) at which it was shot? Do they provide the farmers point of view? Or is it pure sensationalism? Do they really offer 'proof'?
You would not need much education in dairy farming to know that the website referenced was full of ignorance. I suppose though that some people would need proof that the world is not, in fact, flat.0 -
Did you know that in order for a cow to produce milk she must be pregnant. The cows are KEPT pregnant year round to produce it. The girl calves are kept to raise as new cows & the cycles starts again. The boy calves are killed as young as 5 days old as they become useless to milk production. 5 days old. Separated from their mother & killed because they are a boy.
Think about THAT when having your cows milk. The dairy industry won't tell you that either.
Proof please?
I worked on a dairy farm for 4 months out of the year for almost 15 years and never saw this.0 -
when will this thread end? lol0
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http://www.animalsaustralia.org/issues/dairy.php
The dairy industry enjoys a carefully crafted public image that leaves many consumers with visions of happy animals and green rolling hills. In reality this tenuous image masks a history of animal abuse, which continues unabated due to a lack of public awareness.
Many milk drinkers are shocked to learn that dairy cows are kept almost continually pregnant in order to maximise their production of milk — milk that nature intended for their baby calves. Once born, bewildered calves are separated from their grieving mothers and routinely killed as 'waste products' before they are even a week old.
Already born to a terrible fate, the dairy industry recently lobbied government to prevent reforms, and it remains legally permissible to withhold liquid food from these unwanted calves for the last 30 hours of their lives as they are trucked and prepared for slaughter.
The dairy industry has long operated under a veil of secrecy. They know that many consumers of milk would find the callous treatment of bobby calves completely unacceptable and rethink their financial support of the industry. If the treatment of bobby calves is to improve, it is imperative that the industry becomes accountable and for the public to exercise their consumer power.
Oh. Look. More ignorance. Education is hard I guess.
Yep you lot are very ignorant. Carry on with it. I guess you don't like it when facts are presented...you turn to verbal insulting then. Shame.
I would agree that response was petty and useless. Just an insult without any offer to prove your post wrong. Assuming that the web site is true, what 'proof' is there that this is a widespread practice, either within Australia or worldwide. It's easy to imagine that in any industry, including the food industry, there will be those that produce low quality product by questionable means. But "proof" that the entire industry uses these practices would require more than just one video from one website.
I mean, it is the internet. Anyone can start up a site and post a video, true or not. I'm at word and can't watch the video, but do they name the farm(s) at which it was shot? Do they provide the farmers point of view? Or is it pure sensationalism? Do they really offer 'proof'?
You would not need much education in dairy farming to know that the website referenced was full of ignorance. I suppose though that some people would need proof that the world is not, in fact, flat.
Having absolutely no education in dairy farming, I admit to my own ignorance. I would have suspected they picked out the worst farm they could find and portrayed it as the norm, but that would be more sensationalist than ignorant. What about the site did you find ignorant?0 -
If we are going to have this debate about cows and milk production, you have to have it about soy and soy production. Soy is not as great as people think. There are drawbacks to every type of eating. Overconsumption of soy products can cause hormonal imbalances
http://www.foodrevolution.org/blog/the-truth-about-soy/
http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm
But this is all besides the point. What it comes down to is choice. You can choose to drink milk, I can choose not to. But you shouldn't shame people into your way of thought.0 -
Pfft.0
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when will this thread end? lol
Unless someone rolls it, very soon.0 -
This is absolutely ridiculous.
IT is a cow. It is not 'someone's anything. It does not have children, it has calves.
It is not a human, so don't anthropomorphize it to fit in with your agenda. Pathetic.0 -
http://www.animalsaustralia.org/issues/dairy.php
The dairy industry enjoys a carefully crafted public image that leaves many consumers with visions of happy animals and green rolling hills. In reality this tenuous image masks a history of animal abuse, which continues unabated due to a lack of public awareness.
Many milk drinkers are shocked to learn that dairy cows are kept almost continually pregnant in order to maximise their production of milk — milk that nature intended for their baby calves. Once born, bewildered calves are separated from their grieving mothers and routinely killed as 'waste products' before they are even a week old.
Already born to a terrible fate, the dairy industry recently lobbied government to prevent reforms, and it remains legally permissible to withhold liquid food from these unwanted calves for the last 30 hours of their lives as they are trucked and prepared for slaughter.
The dairy industry has long operated under a veil of secrecy. They know that many consumers of milk would find the callous treatment of bobby calves completely unacceptable and rethink their financial support of the industry. If the treatment of bobby calves is to improve, it is imperative that the industry becomes accountable and for the public to exercise their consumer power.
Oh. Look. More ignorance. Education is hard I guess.
Yep you lot are very ignorant. Carry on with it. I guess you don't like it when facts are presented...you turn to verbal insulting then. Shame.
I would agree that response was petty and useless. Just an insult without any offer to prove your post wrong. Assuming that the web site is true, what 'proof' is there that this is a widespread practice, either within Australia or worldwide. It's easy to imagine that in any industry, including the food industry, there will be those that produce low quality product by questionable means. But "proof" that the entire industry uses these practices would require more than just one video from one website.
I mean, it is the internet. Anyone can start up a site and post a video, true or not. I'm at word and can't watch the video, but do they name the farm(s) at which it was shot? Do they provide the farmers point of view? Or is it pure sensationalism? Do they really offer 'proof'?
You would not need much education in dairy farming to know that the website referenced was full of ignorance. I suppose though that some people would need proof that the world is not, in fact, flat.
Having absolutely no education in dairy farming, I admit to my own ignorance. I would have suspected they picked out the worst farm they could find and portrayed it as the norm, but that would be more sensationalist than ignorant. What about the site did you find ignorant?
It's a propaganda site. There is no way to have an intelligent debate or discussion regarding propaganda without giving it more attention and respect than it deserves.0 -
“We got so much food in America we're allergic to food. Allergic to food! Hungry people ain't allergic to *kitten*. You think anyone in Rwanda's got a f*cking lactose intolerance?!" ~ Chris Rock0
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If we are going to have this debate about cows and milk production, you have to have it about soy and soy production. Soy is not as great as people think. There are drawbacks to every type of eating. Overconsumption of soy products can cause hormonal imbalances
http://www.foodrevolution.org/blog/the-truth-about-soy/
http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm
But this is all besides the point. What it comes down to is choice. You can choose to drink milk, I can choose not to. But you shouldn't shame people into your way of thought.
Over consumption would not really be a close discussion to the systematic mistreatment of animals.
But you really can't believe everything you read on the internet. I've been drinking soy milk for over 20 years and my hormones are not out of whack. I also eat edamame almost daily. Millions of people consume soy on a regular basis.0 -
Now your just talking nonsense....food doesn't come on chains. j/k Is Cookstown Greens still around. I went to Banting in Alliston.We also eat the ovum of other animals as well as cook our meat... so what if we're the only ones who do something? I'm sure if they had opposable thumbs and were capable of abstract thought they would too. Welcome to the top of the food chain.
WOW, I would not have expected anyone to know where exactly Cookstown was :P. I'm not sure about the Cookstown Greens, but I don't think so??? A couple of my friends teach at Banting LOL Small world!0 -
Technicaly, no we're not... people can argue as much as they want but kittens drink cat milk, puppies drink dog milk... humans drink cow milk? hmmm... doesn't make much sense does it?
People have evolved to be able to have a tolerance to it, but many people, such as myself, are very sensitive to milk or have an intollerence.
I drink almond milk too, but I still have greek yogurt and cheese.0 -
Although I will drink dairy milk from time to time I usually stay away from it. I do not know all the facts as some people are stating, but I assume that we are the only species that drinks another species milk....In a way it does not sound normal, but hey who am I to judge....I usually stick with coconut milk!
But in all reality.....I would like to know who the guy was who said "hey.....lets drink this";)0 -
OP, you probably are a bit lactose intolerant if you get belly issues from milk. Read up on that because there are ways to prevent the issues if you want to eat/drink dairy products. One hint is that the fuller fat versions can be more easily digested as the fat escorts the lactose from the body undigested, and thus it won't effect the digestive system.
For the rest of the posters in this thread, the whole "body not designed for..." thing is so debatable. We've evolved; we are in no way the identical beings our early ancestors were. So what we are capable of digesting and using now is evolved, too. Don't know about you, but I don't chase my food down and tear it limb-from-limb with my front teeth, eating the whole thing with my "pack" of fellow primates. Rather, I chop it's little head off, defeather and gut it, soak it in a tepid bath for a day, and roast it. Then I sit with my "family" and enjoy it along with a nice Chianti. Mmmm.... chicken!0 -
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Did you know that in order for a cow to produce milk she must be pregnant. The cows are KEPT pregnant year round to produce it. The girl calves are kept to raise as new cows & the cycles starts again. The boy calves are killed as young as 5 days old as they become useless to milk production. 5 days old. Separated from their mother & killed because they are a boy.
Think about THAT when having your cows milk. The dairy industry won't tell you that either.
Proof please?
I worked on a dairy farm for 4 months out of the year for almost 15 years and never saw this.
The general public needs the truth. We all want to enjoy our food with a clean conscience. Those who believe cows are treated fairly drink milk, those who do not, do not drink milk.
As a dairy farmer, what was your personal experience and what everyone wants to know is, did the cows suffer pain or abuse?
Thanks in advance.
My opinion is that people do not have enough facts to make a true judgement. I don't drink milk because I like the idea of eating food raw and from nature and I'd personally never approach a cow in a field and suckle it. And having dairy causes me skin and respiratory allergies.0 -
i dont drink milk at all0
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I have never understood the "we are the only species that drinks milk from another species" argument. We are also the only species that can read, write, solve physics problems, enter space....?
Just because no other species drinks milk past infancy does not mean it is necessarily harmful. If there are more scientific reasons for not drinking cows' milk then that is fine, but this justification alone doesn't really make much sense.
Also, mind you, I don't really drink milk very often. Have never been a big fan so I am an unbiased observer in this debate.0
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