Don't Tell Me You Can't Lose Weight With Exercise

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  • ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken
    ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken Posts: 1,530 Member
    edited March 2017
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    I am still standing by my comment that exercise helps create that deficit. Your daily diet may not have you in a deficit until you add in 30 minutes or more of exercise a day. Exercise and create a deficit without needing to eat less, don't exercise and eat at maintenance or possibly above and have no deficit. I don't even understand how this is even debatable. Not only does exercise help create a deficit, it helps with getting some amount of lean muscle mass which in turn creates a greater burn in general, even if you aren't gaining that lean mass you are using the lean mass you already have. It requires more energy to use muscle than it does to carry around extra body fat which is just dead weight.

    Exercise increases your maintenance calories which makes it easier to maintain a deficit...it doesn't default to creating a deficit...I do all of the cycling and I maintain...how is that if exercise creates a deficit?

    Really? Obviously if you are eating to maintain at THAT activity level it will not create a deficit. But if you do not exercise and have been maintaining then you add exercise you will see the difference.
    When you exercise it requires physical energy. This is why exercise helps create a deficit. I will add, that is not to say you MUST exercise to create a deficit( because I know that will get thrown out there). If you burn more calories through exercise you will see a loss. You can easily see this for yourself. Eat at maintenance and do not exercise for 30 days. Then Do not change your diet in any way and add in exercise. You will see a loss. Because exercise created the deficit.
  • lkpducky
    lkpducky Posts: 17,750 Member
    Machka9 wrote: »
    What is Zwift and how do you cook it?

    :lol:

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  • PaulaWallaDingDong
    PaulaWallaDingDong Posts: 4,647 Member
    I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.

    Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.

    I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!

    What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.

    So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".

    I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.
  • ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken
    ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken Posts: 1,530 Member
    edited March 2017
    I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.

    Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.

    I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!

    What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.

    So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".

    I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.

    You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and still lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.
  • cwolfman13 wrote: »
    cwolfman13 wrote: »
    I am still standing by my comment that exercise helps create that deficit. Your daily diet may not have you in a deficit until you add in 30 minutes or more of exercise a day. Exercise and create a deficit without needing to eat less, don't exercise and eat at maintenance or possibly above and have no deficit. I don't even understand how this is even debatable. Not only does exercise help create a deficit, it helps with getting some amount of lean muscle mass which in turn creates a greater burn in general, even if you aren't gaining that lean mass you are using the lean mass you already have. It requires more energy to use muscle than it does to carry around extra body fat which is just dead weight.

    Exercise increases your maintenance calories which makes it easier to maintain a deficit...it doesn't default to creating a deficit...I do all of the cycling and I maintain...how is that if exercise creates a deficit?

    Really? Obviously if you are eating to maintain at THAT activity level it will not create a deficit. But if you do not exercise and have been maintaining then you add exercise you will see the difference.
    When you exercise it requires physical energy. This is why exercise helps create a deficit. I will add, that is not to say you MUST exercise to create a deficit( because I know that will get thrown out there). If you burn more calories through exercise you will see a loss. You can easily see this for yourself. Eat at maintenance and do not exercise for 30 days. Then Do not change your diet in any way and add in exercise. You will see a loss. Because exercise created the deficit.

    No...exercise increased my maintenance and I didn't compensate with my diet...thus I am eating in a deficit. You said it yourself, if I eat to maintenance I will maintain., this it is the change or no change in diet that is having the impact.

    I am not talking about a change in diet but rather a change in physical activity. You can be sedentary and maintain, or exercise at the same calorie intake and lose. That is all.
  • L1zardQueen
    L1zardQueen Posts: 8,753 Member
    I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.

    Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.

    I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!

    What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.

    So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".

    I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.

    You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.

    The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.

    Hence...
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    You CAN LOSE WEIGHT USING EXERCISE. You don't have to believe it or like it. Obviously not every thing applies to every one across the board in a strict and exact way. ANY person who increases their calorie burn will lose weight in some amount. That is what I am talking about and you are arguing that it is not possible.

    But he did not! It is the calories in or out. It is easier to create a deficit than outrun your fork. I have personal experience with this notion.
  • I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.

    Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.

    I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!

    What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.

    So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".

    I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.

    You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.

    The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.

    Hence...
    4comic2-555.png

    You CAN LOSE WEIGHT USING EXERCISE. You don't have to believe it or like it. Obviously not every thing applies to every one across the board in a strict and exact way. ANY person who increases their calorie burn will lose weight in some amount. That is what I am talking about and you are arguing that it is not possible.

    But he did not! It is the calories in or out. It is easier to create a deficit than outrun your fork. I have personal experience with this notion.

    Exercise INCREASES the calories OUT.
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,028 Member
    edited March 2017
    I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.

    Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.

    I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!

    What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.

    So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".

    I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.

    You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.

    The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.

    Hence...
    4comic2-555.png

    You CAN LOSE WEIGHT USING EXERCISE. You don't have to believe it or like it. Obviously not every thing applies to every one across the board in a strict and exact way. ANY person who increases their calorie burn will lose weight in some amount. That is what I am talking about and you are arguing that it is not possible.
    Okay, so let's say someone eats 500 calories a day over TDEE (and of course they are gaining weight). This isn't uncommon. They do 400 calories of exercise a day. Tell me mathematically how they lose weight doing this?

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  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 49,028 Member
    I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.

    Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.

    I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!

    What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.

    So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".

    I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.

    You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.

    The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.

    Hence...
    4comic2-555.png

    You CAN LOSE WEIGHT USING EXERCISE. You don't have to believe it or like it. Obviously not every thing applies to every one across the board in a strict and exact way. ANY person who increases their calorie burn will lose weight in some amount. That is what I am talking about and you are arguing that it is not possible.
    You CAN lose weight using exercise IF you still eat less than you burn. Had to make sure that was clarified for people you may be confusing.

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  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,563 Member
    zyxst wrote: »
    Wtf is zwift

    Just a glance at the site - you cycle on an indoor bike while watching pretend you cycle through pretend outside.

    Lol, why not just cycle outside and get the free vit D and fresh air?

    Great for mental and physical health that way.

    We find cycling a great family activity.

    Where I live, it goes down below -30 degrees Celsius in the winter (so, -20ish Farenheit?). The roads are often snowy and/or icy - and the shoulder may well be covered with snow. For some of us, outdoor cycling isn't an option for several months out of the year. I love outdoor cycling, but it'll never be a year-round activity where I live.

    All this! I'm training for an event in the beginning of April, and so far 2 rides have been rained out (and there will be more if the weather projections are accurate). If I didn't put in the time on the trainer I wouldn't be ready to do the event. I also want to say that many people enjoy indoor cycling and don't ride outdoors at all, it's really not fair to dis people who's goals and perspective are different than yours.
  • SusanMFindlay
    SusanMFindlay Posts: 1,804 Member
    Personally, I do think that many of the posters on this site underestimate the value of physical activity. I understand that somebody who eats 5,000 calories/day (and isn't a muscular giant) will have a hard time doing enough physical activity to burn more than 5,000 calories/day so that they can lose weight. And I understand that we don't want to discourage people with disabilities who cannot exercise (since it is clearly possible to lose weight simply by eating less).

    BUT there is a pervasive attitude by many (but not all) posters that you can hardly burn any calories through physical activity. Somebody with a really active job will post to ask if they're okay to eat 1200 (or 1500) calories/day, and a bunch of sedentary people will say "sounds good to me; your job probably burns a couple hundred calories, but I don't eat back my exercise calories and it's never hurt me" (paraphrased, but a common sentiment). A lot of posters don't seem to appreciate that, for somebody with the right lifestyle, physical activity can burn as many calories as their BMR - or more. Or that physical activity doesn't have to be "going to to gym" type exercise.

    So, I understand where the OP is coming from. They want to point out something that is very rarely given credit on these forums - that if somebody is maintaining their current weight, they *can* create a deficit simply by increasing physical activity as long as they don't increase calorie intake.

    And, yes, we should keep telling the "I work out all the time; why am I not losing weight" posters to check their calorie intake - because clearly they *did* increase calorie intake when they started working out.
  • TheJourneyToFabulous
    TheJourneyToFabulous Posts: 381 Member
    I am confused.. i dont think anyone has ever said exercise doesn't cause weight loss..

    I've saw someone on here say it doesn't cause weight loss
  • ogtmama
    ogtmama Posts: 1,403 Member
    I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.

    Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.

    I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!

    What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.

    So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".

    I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.

    90 minutes of swimming with no change in diet would give a 250 pound person a 1000 calorie deficit. Doesn't seem crazy or impossible to me.
  • ogtmama
    ogtmama Posts: 1,403 Member
    ogtmama wrote: »
    I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.

    Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.

    I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!

    What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.

    So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".

    I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.

    90 minutes of swimming with no change in diet would give a 250 pound person a 1000 calorie deficit. Doesn't seem crazy or impossible to me.

    Or one spin class per day...
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    edited March 2017
    ogtmama wrote: »
    I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.

    Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.

    I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!

    What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.

    So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".

    I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.

    90 minutes of swimming with no change in diet would give a 250 pound person a 1000 calorie deficit. Doesn't seem crazy or impossible to me.

    1) Not everybody has the time (or the ability/fitness level, or the access to water) to swim 90 minutes a day.

    2) That's theoretically correct - if calories are being accurately tracked/maintained and the person isn't eating an ad libitum diet. Unless one is conscientiously monitoring their intake, it's rarely that neat of a situation.

    3) A further proviso is ensuring that NEAT isn't being downregulated due to the increased exercise and/or the person isn't eating more due to increased hunger from exercise. n=1, but I find that swimming makes me absolutely ravenous afterward, much more so than any other form of cardio.

    As has been repeated over and over again, both in this thread and elsewhere, the answer to the question "will exercise help me lose weight?" is a qualified/conditional Yes. If a sustained caloric deficit is being created by the combination of caloric intake and expenditure, one will lose weight; if a sustained caloric deficit is not being created by the combination of caloric intake and expenditure, one will not lose weight.
  • leanjogreen18
    leanjogreen18 Posts: 2,492 Member
    ogtmama wrote: »
    I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.

    Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.

    I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!

    What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.

    So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".

    I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.

    90 minutes of swimming with no change in diet would give a 250 pound person a 1000 calorie deficit. Doesn't seem crazy or impossible to me.

    Heehee when I was 233 I couldn't do 90 minutes of anything. 40 lbs down and I can do a 5k which takes right at an hour. But if I'm honest 90 minutes of any sustained exercise I can't do yet.
  • PaulaWallaDingDong
    PaulaWallaDingDong Posts: 4,647 Member
    ogtmama wrote: »
    I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.

    Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.

    I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!

    What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.

    So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".

    I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.

    90 minutes of swimming with no change in diet would give a 250 pound person a 1000 calorie deficit. Doesn't seem crazy or impossible to me.

    Heehee when I was 233 I couldn't do 90 minutes of anything. 40 lbs down and I can do a 5k which takes right at an hour. But if I'm honest 90 minutes of any sustained exercise I can't do yet.

    Neither could I. First the person has to be able to even DO the exercise, then they have to be able to do it EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. FOREVER. Not in a million years of do-overs would I have been able to do that.
  • astrose00
    astrose00 Posts: 754 Member
    edited March 2017
    When I was younger and knew nothing, I would work out 3-4 hours 3-5 days a week. Frequently, I would stop at Burger King on the way home from the gym! I'd eat my fast food and then go to sleep shortly afterwards. I looked great but always wondered why I was in the gym so long compared to other people I would see there. Then years later, I learned how bodybuilders lose weight (fat) and tried that. I ate more protein, counted calories and worked out hard and smarter. Lost a ton of fat in a really short amount of time. Another time, I broke my ankle and was out of commission for 6 months. I gained 70 pounds in a year. Then lost it in 5 months following a high protein diet, counting calories, lifting and doing cardio. So as virtually everyone has already said, exercise can help if you are in a calorie deficit. But changing what and how much you eat is really what can take the weight off.

    BTW, I have Zwift and it's OK. Nothing to write home about. I prefer my other cycling app (which I won't mention) where I can create my own maps and ride all over the world.
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