Don't Tell Me You Can't Lose Weight With Exercise
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ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.
Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.
I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!
What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.
So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".
I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.2 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.
Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.
I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!
What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.
So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".
I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.
You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and still lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.3 -
ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.
Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.
I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!
What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.
So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".
I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.
You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.
The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.
Hence...amyrebeccah wrote: »
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ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I am still standing by my comment that exercise helps create that deficit. Your daily diet may not have you in a deficit until you add in 30 minutes or more of exercise a day. Exercise and create a deficit without needing to eat less, don't exercise and eat at maintenance or possibly above and have no deficit. I don't even understand how this is even debatable. Not only does exercise help create a deficit, it helps with getting some amount of lean muscle mass which in turn creates a greater burn in general, even if you aren't gaining that lean mass you are using the lean mass you already have. It requires more energy to use muscle than it does to carry around extra body fat which is just dead weight.
Exercise increases your maintenance calories which makes it easier to maintain a deficit...it doesn't default to creating a deficit...I do all of the cycling and I maintain...how is that if exercise creates a deficit?
Really? Obviously if you are eating to maintain at THAT activity level it will not create a deficit. But if you do not exercise and have been maintaining then you add exercise you will see the difference.
When you exercise it requires physical energy. This is why exercise helps create a deficit. I will add, that is not to say you MUST exercise to create a deficit( because I know that will get thrown out there). If you burn more calories through exercise you will see a loss. You can easily see this for yourself. Eat at maintenance and do not exercise for 30 days. Then Do not change your diet in any way and add in exercise. You will see a loss. Because exercise created the deficit.
No...exercise increased my maintenance and I didn't compensate with my diet...thus I am eating in a deficit. You said it yourself, if I eat to maintenance I will maintain., this it is the change or no change in diet that is having the impact.
And again, these comments are really made for the great many who simply think the act of exercise is gong to default to losing weight...and a quick glimpse around the gym with people spinning their wheels will tell you that there are a lot of those people. They're doing the exercise but don't have their diets under control.6 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.
Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.
I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!
What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.
So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".
I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.
You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.
The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.
Hence...amyrebeccah wrote: »
You CAN LOSE WEIGHT USING EXERCISE. You don't have to believe it or like it. Obviously not every thing applies to every one across the board in a strict and exact way. ANY person who increases their calorie burn will lose weight in some amount. That is what I am talking about and you are arguing that it is not possible.5 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I am still standing by my comment that exercise helps create that deficit. Your daily diet may not have you in a deficit until you add in 30 minutes or more of exercise a day. Exercise and create a deficit without needing to eat less, don't exercise and eat at maintenance or possibly above and have no deficit. I don't even understand how this is even debatable. Not only does exercise help create a deficit, it helps with getting some amount of lean muscle mass which in turn creates a greater burn in general, even if you aren't gaining that lean mass you are using the lean mass you already have. It requires more energy to use muscle than it does to carry around extra body fat which is just dead weight.
Exercise increases your maintenance calories which makes it easier to maintain a deficit...it doesn't default to creating a deficit...I do all of the cycling and I maintain...how is that if exercise creates a deficit?
Really? Obviously if you are eating to maintain at THAT activity level it will not create a deficit. But if you do not exercise and have been maintaining then you add exercise you will see the difference.
When you exercise it requires physical energy. This is why exercise helps create a deficit. I will add, that is not to say you MUST exercise to create a deficit( because I know that will get thrown out there). If you burn more calories through exercise you will see a loss. You can easily see this for yourself. Eat at maintenance and do not exercise for 30 days. Then Do not change your diet in any way and add in exercise. You will see a loss. Because exercise created the deficit.
No...exercise increased my maintenance and I didn't compensate with my diet...thus I am eating in a deficit. You said it yourself, if I eat to maintenance I will maintain., this it is the change or no change in diet that is having the impact.
I am not talking about a change in diet but rather a change in physical activity. You can be sedentary and maintain, or exercise at the same calorie intake and lose. That is all.1 -
ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.
Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.
I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!
What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.
So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".
I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.
You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.
The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.
Hence...amyrebeccah wrote: »
You CAN LOSE WEIGHT USING EXERCISE. You don't have to believe it or like it. Obviously not every thing applies to every one across the board in a strict and exact way. ANY person who increases their calorie burn will lose weight in some amount. That is what I am talking about and you are arguing that it is not possible.
I said it wasn't possible? So you're just straight making things up now to prove me wrong?5 -
ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.
Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.
I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!
What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.
So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".
I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.
You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.
The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.
Hence...amyrebeccah wrote: »
You CAN LOSE WEIGHT USING EXERCISE. You don't have to believe it or like it. Obviously not every thing applies to every one across the board in a strict and exact way. ANY person who increases their calorie burn will lose weight in some amount. That is what I am talking about and you are arguing that it is not possible.
But he did not! It is the calories in or out. It is easier to create a deficit than outrun your fork. I have personal experience with this notion.3 -
ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I am still standing by my comment that exercise helps create that deficit. Your daily diet may not have you in a deficit until you add in 30 minutes or more of exercise a day. Exercise and create a deficit without needing to eat less, don't exercise and eat at maintenance or possibly above and have no deficit. I don't even understand how this is even debatable. Not only does exercise help create a deficit, it helps with getting some amount of lean muscle mass which in turn creates a greater burn in general, even if you aren't gaining that lean mass you are using the lean mass you already have. It requires more energy to use muscle than it does to carry around extra body fat which is just dead weight.
Exercise increases your maintenance calories which makes it easier to maintain a deficit...it doesn't default to creating a deficit...I do all of the cycling and I maintain...how is that if exercise creates a deficit?
Really? Obviously if you are eating to maintain at THAT activity level it will not create a deficit. But if you do not exercise and have been maintaining then you add exercise you will see the difference.
When you exercise it requires physical energy. This is why exercise helps create a deficit. I will add, that is not to say you MUST exercise to create a deficit( because I know that will get thrown out there). If you burn more calories through exercise you will see a loss. You can easily see this for yourself. Eat at maintenance and do not exercise for 30 days. Then Do not change your diet in any way and add in exercise. You will see a loss. Because exercise created the deficit.
No...exercise increased my maintenance and I didn't compensate with my diet...thus I am eating in a deficit. You said it yourself, if I eat to maintenance I will maintain., this it is the change or no change in diet that is having the impact.
I am not talking about a change in diet but rather a change in physical activity. You can be sedentary and maintain, or exercise at the same calorie intake and lose. That is all.
And the likelihood of someone increasing their activity and keeping their diet the same is pretty slim for the average Joe out there...as evidenced in pretty much any gym and no noob posts on mfp.
You have to actively control diet, even if your decision is to maintain the status quot while increasing activity...there is a deliberate act of controlling calorie intake that is happening...your controlling diet.5 -
The problem is you can undo twenty minutes of cardio with a single cookie.
It is way too easy to take in extra calories and nearly impossible to wear off a binge. (How much running is a box of cookies worth?)
But for a person on maintenance calories with good tracking skills, that exercise is really going to help. Not to mention all the other benefits of exercise like improved mood, endurance, and heart health.5 -
I have struggled over the years with overweight. I am 66 years of age and finally understand that it is all about net daily calories. In 8 weeks I have reduced from 118.7 Kg to 111.3 Kg. I exercise daily but find that eating less is what it is all about. Sure exercise is helping to tighten up my core but intake is what it is all about. Only took me 40 years to realize this...Looking forward to 100 kg soon.7
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Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.
Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.
I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!
What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.
So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".
I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.
You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.
The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.
Hence...amyrebeccah wrote: »
You CAN LOSE WEIGHT USING EXERCISE. You don't have to believe it or like it. Obviously not every thing applies to every one across the board in a strict and exact way. ANY person who increases their calorie burn will lose weight in some amount. That is what I am talking about and you are arguing that it is not possible.
But he did not! It is the calories in or out. It is easier to create a deficit than outrun your fork. I have personal experience with this notion.
Exercise INCREASES the calories OUT.2 -
ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.
Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.
I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!
What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.
So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".
I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.
You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.
The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.
Hence...amyrebeccah wrote: »
You CAN LOSE WEIGHT USING EXERCISE. You don't have to believe it or like it. Obviously not every thing applies to every one across the board in a strict and exact way. ANY person who increases their calorie burn will lose weight in some amount. That is what I am talking about and you are arguing that it is not possible.
But he did not! It is the calories in or out. It is easier to create a deficit than outrun your fork. I have personal experience with this notion.
Exercise INCREASES the calories OUT.
Please quote the person who said it doesn't.
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I don't see anybody arguing that point. That's Physiology 101 stuff, not breaking news. Weight loss is about CI<CO. Exercise modifies the "CO" portion of that equation. The problem arises when somebody thinks they don't have to mind the "CI" portion of the equation and can eat however they want when they're exercising (which is a relatively common misconception). Thus the sayings "You can't out-train a bad diet", or "You can't outrun your fork".ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I am still standing by my comment that exercise helps create that deficit...
A pound of fat burns about two calories per day; a pound of muscle burns about six calories per day. Thus, for every pound of muscle you put on, you're burning an extra 4 calories per day. It takes a very, very significant increase in muscle mass for the added burn to have an effect even worth mentioning. 25 extra pounds of muscle would yield an extra 100 calories per day. Putting on 25 pounds of muscle is also a huge accomplishment which would take years of intense, focused training. And you're certainly not going to put on any significant amount of muscle a) in a deficit and/or b) doing cardio as your main workouts.ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »...Not only does exercise help create a deficit, it helps with getting some amount of lean muscle mass which in turn creates a greater burn in general, even if you aren't gaining that lean mass you are using the lean mass you already have. It requires more energy to use muscle than it does to carry around extra body fat which is just dead weight.7 -
You can do all the exercise you want, but if you eat just 100 calories above your TDEE for a year, you'll gain an extra 10lbs. That's NOT DISPUTED by any organization of science.ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.
Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.
I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!
What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.
So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".
While you did increase your exercise, you didn't increase your intake, hence the deficit. CICO is the equation to weight loss/gain/maintenance. Had you eaten what you burned, you wouldn't have lost weight.
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Okay, so let's say someone eats 500 calories a day over TDEE (and of course they are gaining weight). This isn't uncommon. They do 400 calories of exercise a day. Tell me mathematically how they lose weight doing this?ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.
Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.
I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!
What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.
So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".
I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.
You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.
The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.
Hence...amyrebeccah wrote: »
You CAN LOSE WEIGHT USING EXERCISE. You don't have to believe it or like it. Obviously not every thing applies to every one across the board in a strict and exact way. ANY person who increases their calorie burn will lose weight in some amount. That is what I am talking about and you are arguing that it is not possible.
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You CAN lose weight using exercise IF you still eat less than you burn. Had to make sure that was clarified for people you may be confusing.ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: »ThatUserNameIsAllReadyTaken wrote: »I have seen it stated here a LOT that exercise has little to do with weight loss. I have always disagreed with that idea as any activity which increases calorie burn will assist in weight loss.
Exercise is always helpful but its effects are limited when it comes to fat loss.
I would love to see some further reading on this! Please mention me by name when you post the link!
What reading? It's basic stuff. If you keep the same diet and add exercise, you will lose via increased TDEE until you reach equilibrium. At that point, if you still need to lose more, you'd either have to increase TDEE again or decrease your calorie intake. That's the whole CICO thing people blather on about on these boards.
So this is basic knowledge we are all programmed with upon birth or does it just magically come to us in a dream? You are rambling about TDEE etc... the fact remains. You have brought nothing to back up your claim. You are telling me that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I am waiting for some explanatory and reliable source that brought you to the conclusion that the effect exercise has on fat loss is limited. I once weighed 200 lbs. The ONLY thing I did was walk on a daily basis and I lost 70 lbs. I did not change my diet, I did not increase my exercise etc... I went from sedentary to not. That is all. I do not believe the effect that exercise has on fat loss is "limited".
I was eating 2500 to 3000 calories a day at 250 lbs and gaining. In order to get to a healthy weight without changing my diet, I would have had to add 1000 to 1500 calories a day in exercise, just to hit the top of the healthy BMI range. Since my goal isn't to be the fattest I can be without a doctor giving me crap about it, adding that insane amount of exercise a) would not have gotten me to my goal, and b) would not have been sustainable to even get to that max weight in the first place, making the whole thing a moot point. That is where the usefulness of exercise in weight loss is limited. Nobody ever said it isnt useful at all, but its limit is based on your calorie intake vs. your (increased) TDEE and how it compares to your goals.
You would lose to an extent. The OP (which is who I was addressing in the first place) mentions losing with out changing his diet and only after adding exercise. In your case no you would not lose down to a healthy range without cutting calories but you would lose something. WHICH WAS MY POINT. (and I never said you could still eat like a moose and not lose weight.) I said you could lose with the addition of exercise. How MUCH is individual. Obviously if you are eating that much there is a window of loss and then you would have to change, BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT THE OP IS TALKING ABOUT. So if you need to start your own thread to argue about your very different argument you are welcome to do it instead of trying to hijack this one.
The point is, the OP was taking other people's words about the effectiveness of exercise in losing weight without changing diet and spinning it to mean you CAN'T lose weight just by adding exercise, and countering that false intent with his own experience. It's not derailing. It's addressing the intent of the OP.
Hence...amyrebeccah wrote: »
You CAN LOSE WEIGHT USING EXERCISE. You don't have to believe it or like it. Obviously not every thing applies to every one across the board in a strict and exact way. ANY person who increases their calorie burn will lose weight in some amount. That is what I am talking about and you are arguing that it is not possible.
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »dotwilldoit wrote: »Wtf is zwift
Just a glance at the site - you cycle on an indoor bike while watching pretend you cycle through pretend outside.
Lol, why not just cycle outside and get the free vit D and fresh air?
Great for mental and physical health that way.
We find cycling a great family activity.
Where I live, it goes down below -30 degrees Celsius in the winter (so, -20ish Farenheit?). The roads are often snowy and/or icy - and the shoulder may well be covered with snow. For some of us, outdoor cycling isn't an option for several months out of the year. I love outdoor cycling, but it'll never be a year-round activity where I live.5 -
SusanMFindlay wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »dotwilldoit wrote: »Wtf is zwift
Just a glance at the site - you cycle on an indoor bike while watching pretend you cycle through pretend outside.
Lol, why not just cycle outside and get the free vit D and fresh air?
Great for mental and physical health that way.
We find cycling a great family activity.
Where I live, it goes down below -30 degrees Celsius in the winter (so, -20ish Farenheit?). The roads are often snowy and/or icy - and the shoulder may well be covered with snow. For some of us, outdoor cycling isn't an option for several months out of the year. I love outdoor cycling, but it'll never be a year-round activity where I live.
All this! I'm training for an event in the beginning of April, and so far 2 rides have been rained out (and there will be more if the weather projections are accurate). If I didn't put in the time on the trainer I wouldn't be ready to do the event. I also want to say that many people enjoy indoor cycling and don't ride outdoors at all, it's really not fair to dis people who's goals and perspective are different than yours.2 -
Personally, I do think that many of the posters on this site underestimate the value of physical activity. I understand that somebody who eats 5,000 calories/day (and isn't a muscular giant) will have a hard time doing enough physical activity to burn more than 5,000 calories/day so that they can lose weight. And I understand that we don't want to discourage people with disabilities who cannot exercise (since it is clearly possible to lose weight simply by eating less).
BUT there is a pervasive attitude by many (but not all) posters that you can hardly burn any calories through physical activity. Somebody with a really active job will post to ask if they're okay to eat 1200 (or 1500) calories/day, and a bunch of sedentary people will say "sounds good to me; your job probably burns a couple hundred calories, but I don't eat back my exercise calories and it's never hurt me" (paraphrased, but a common sentiment). A lot of posters don't seem to appreciate that, for somebody with the right lifestyle, physical activity can burn as many calories as their BMR - or more. Or that physical activity doesn't have to be "going to to gym" type exercise.
So, I understand where the OP is coming from. They want to point out something that is very rarely given credit on these forums - that if somebody is maintaining their current weight, they *can* create a deficit simply by increasing physical activity as long as they don't increase calorie intake.
And, yes, we should keep telling the "I work out all the time; why am I not losing weight" posters to check their calorie intake - because clearly they *did* increase calorie intake when they started working out.4
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