"You can eat whaver you want, as long as you eat at a deficit" is true, but it's garbage advice.

try2again

Hey @ninerbuff - I've always wondered why you post your ticker which shows "5 lbs lost" when I'm pretty sure that info is long out of date?

ladyreva78

Mmmm what I learned from this thread:

- it's pretty dang hard to satisfy a pizza craving in the middle of the night (but I managed with some creativity. Rosemary crackers with tomato concentrate and cheese make a close enough approximation for the purpose and that for max 150 cals - haven't logged it yet but it's cheap when you're on a tight calorie budget.)
- Some people seem to assume that most people would rather eat only "junk" if given the choice. It's just a bit confusing on what exactly is "junk" as I'm not sure my definition of it would be the same as another poster's.
- Reading comprehension is not a skill everyone has mastered. Heck, basic communication skills don't seem to get taught much anymore. Not sure how else to explain some of the more mind-numbing side discussions (FYI I read the entire thing from start to finish. Really should have gotten some sleep instead.)
- surprisingly few cat gifs for such a long thread. But some users here have very cute cats

AnnPT77

I have to admit . . . I have eaten a whole pizza many times. All by myself. Medium pizza is easy, large pizza or beyond takes some application, but I can do it.

I could do it right now, if sufficiently motivated, despite having recently had dinner. And despite being a 120-something-pound li'l ol' lady, in maintenance. (That's one reason my maintenance involves eating below TDEE most days, so sometimes I can splurge big time. Even if the calories balance out, that may not be a form of moderation. I don't care. )

I'll want beer with that, too. Preferably a citra-hopped IPA. Maybe a couple of 'em. You have to drive.

P.S. Lost weight despite all this, from obese down to BMI around 21. Sometimes what I want is pizza, and plenty of it. Sometimes what I want is a heaping plate of raw celeriac, radishes, cucumber, and carrot. Yum.

ronjsteele1

cmtigger wrote: »

lemurcat12 wrote: »

ronjsteele1 wrote: »

lemurcat12 wrote: »

southernoregongrape wrote: »

This seems to have become the pizza thread. I never saw a pizza, let alone ate one until I was an adult. And it is still not one of my favorite foods since I don't like cooked tomatoes. The endless hours scalding, removing the skin, canning as a youth pretty much turned me off.

Heh, every year I think I am going to try to can my extra tomatoes. You are trying to talk me out of it, aren't you!

;-)

Did you know you can actually freeze tomatoes whole and pull them out as you need them? I prefer to can them, but if someone didn't want to go to the work of doing that, freezing is an excellent option.

Interesting, I did not know that.

I do want to learn to can, but if I'm again too lazy I will freeze.

I can tomatoes most summers. The worst part is peeling.

I don't peel mine at all. Never have. I pull them from the garden, wash well, dice them, and can with a tsp. of basil, oregano, and garlic. Works perfectly everytime. I've also discovered that cherry tomatoes can ten times faster then large beef steak type (for when I'm feeling really lazy).

Alatariel75

ronjsteele1 wrote: »

cmtigger wrote: »

lemurcat12 wrote: »

ronjsteele1 wrote: »

lemurcat12 wrote: »

southernoregongrape wrote: »

This seems to have become the pizza thread. I never saw a pizza, let alone ate one until I was an adult. And it is still not one of my favorite foods since I don't like cooked tomatoes. The endless hours scalding, removing the skin, canning as a youth pretty much turned me off.

Heh, every year I think I am going to try to can my extra tomatoes. You are trying to talk me out of it, aren't you!

;-)

Did you know you can actually freeze tomatoes whole and pull them out as you need them? I prefer to can them, but if someone didn't want to go to the work of doing that, freezing is an excellent option.

Interesting, I did not know that.

I do want to learn to can, but if I'm again too lazy I will freeze.

I can tomatoes most summers. The worst part is peeling.

I don't peel mine at all. Never have. I pull them from the garden, wash well, dice them, and can with a tsp. of basil, oregano, and garlic. Works perfectly everytime. I've also discovered that cherry tomatoes can ten times faster then large beef steak type (for when I'm feeling really lazy).

You don't find that you get strips of skin in them when you cook with them?

sliminby60

lorrpb wrote: »

One piece of pizza and 7 chips won't keep me full very long and offer very little nutrition. Therefore, "Eat whatever type of food you want in tiny quantities" is not a sustainable lifestyle for me. A couple times a month is ok, but not 24/7.

it is not to keep you full it is to satisfy your desire for that food eat what make you full then eat 7 chips to satisfy desire for chips

ronjsteele1

Alatariel75 wrote: »

You don't find that you get strips of skin in them when you cook with them?

It's late, so please forgive my inability to picture this. Do you mean when I cook with them is there just skins mixed in with the tomatoes? If that's what you mean, yes, once in awhile I'll notice skin with no tomato/meat flesh attached to it but texture wise, it has never changed the taste or texture of anything I've used them in because what little bit of skins do separate are pretty minimal. I guess I've never noticed this being a problem and no one in my house has. I use my diced canned tomatoes for soups, stews, sauces, and chili. Maybe that's why I've never noticed any issues with the skin? If there were a lot of skin I'd think it would be bothersome and noticeable in those foods, but maybe not. Sorry I'm not much help with that. I've been canning tomatoes like this for 9yrs. Now I'm going to have to pay attention when I open and use the the next jar. On the up side, I'm not doing a garden this year for the first time in years. It will be my first time not canning in a long time. We have grown and canned as much of our own food as possible over the years so it's a big change over for us. I guess we'll see how much I'm kicking myself come next fall and winter.

missh1967

Tiff1124 wrote: »

I'm just always hesitant to eat those things because I don't want to slow my progress. I have a long way to go and I feel if I do have pizza or unhealthy foods all of my hard work is for nada.

This mindset can work against you. The only way I've ever lost weight is by CICO, but in the past, I used to have the same mindset. It was all or nothing. Food intake had to be stellar (read: angelic, no "bad" foods), and I had to work out EVERY DAY. If either of those was off my a millimeter, I was thrown off kilter and the day was ruined. Such a destructive thought process. Reading the forums I realized that 1) weight loss is not linear, 2) weight loss will not be stopped by a "bad" day here or there [say, missing a few workouts, because life happens], and 3) I can enjoy my favorite foods from time to time without getting totally derailed. This is such an unbelievably freeing concept it's ridiculous.

STC02

33 pounds in 11 weeks for me and for all the Scots out there I have a caramel wafer everday

missmince

If people wanted solid advice on nutrition, they can just go to WHO or AHA or a load of other sites that are very obviously more accurate than strangers on MFP. This is common sense. For example, I read a post from an MFP member yesterday saying they were stopping eating various carbs, as well as simple sugars "because they are changed to glucose (a sugar) in the body". I don't know how quickly you'd die without glucose in your body, definitely quite quickly.

So, people are presumably here to see what people say works for them in weight loss and the like. Everyone here says CICO is what is important; it they don't, they're corrected by a load of other posts. With this in mind, if eating "unhealthy" food is what lets you stick to a diet, it's better than nothing. The AMA has stated obesity is a disease, so weight loss, even with junk food is good thing (if you're obese). This site is basically anecdotal, and I think everyone knows that. If I want more detailed info, I read PubMed, not WebMD, for peer-reviewed studies that are reproducible, since NIH is a bit better than a random web site. I know that's not for everyone, but ultimately CICO is the basis of weight loss, and MFP members pointing out that you can lose weight on junk food isn't garbage advice. It's just not advice on nutrition.

If an obese person downsizes the size of their Doritos bag, or the size of their wine glass, or even just one junk food, it's a good enough start to weight loss, and not garbage advice. If people claim they know better than the NIH or WHO about nutrition, then that's garbage advice. Giving up your favorite foods and making yourself feel too deprived sucks, and can kill a diet.

VintageFeline

STC02 wrote: »

33 pounds in 11 weeks for me and for all the Scots out there I have a caramel wafer everday

I hope a coconut one, those are my absolute favourites. Don't find them often down here in bleak old London town. Probably for the best!

snowflake954

dfwesq wrote: »

lemurcat12 wrote: »

I get a bit the sense that you think that we shouldn't be honest with people because they might use the true information to make choices you think are bad.

That's not what I think at all. Sorry if I gave that impression. The purpose of my post was to point out that it can be confusing, and that there are a number of us who actually thought the same thing, so it's not a phantom problem.

Also, I agree with someone who posted earlier, that there might be a lot of undiagnosed eating disorders represented on the boards. There might also be a lot of people who have been diagnosed, but just aren't mentioning it. I think it's good to bear in mind that the person who's reading advice might be one of those people. Fwiw, I saw someone like that posting on the boards recently. She asked for advice and was told basically to eat whatever she wanted and just monitor calories. Then much further down the thread she mentioned that she had an eating disorder.

Sorry, I'm not able to respond more thoroughly. I appreciate your thoughtful posts though.

I am frankly confused about this whole "confusion thing". You are confused? Other newbies are confused? You think other people are confused? The people giving advice are confused? People with eating disorders are confused? Too much information is confusing? Not enough information is confusing? Now I am confused--someone please help!

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