Clean eating- does it matter?
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@antdelsa I'm not struggling at all though. I did struggle because I was afraid to eat this food or that food because it was deemed unhealthy by people who spout so much bad information regarding diet.
To be perfectly honest, when I let go the idea that there are "bad" foods and eat foods that enjoyable my health improved. I had bad cholesterol numbers and thought going low carb was the key. Not true for me at all. I got rid of my spare tire and now have perfect blood lipids.
You are complicating this. First get your calorie intake in order.
I'm foodie, I love all food but I eat less now. Works for me.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.2 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Food is euphoric though! What a boring life if one can't eat delicious food. Life's too short. Live a little.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
I read all your posts (including the copy/paste from Authority Nutrition), I'm not ignoring anything. You've failed to demonstrate that that one needs to eat clean in order to meet one's nutritional needs, maintain health, and meet weight or fitness goals.
Claiming we have issues about food? Honestly, the only person here who seems to have issues with food is you.
Choosing to eat something tasty, look at something pretty, engage in pleasurable touch with loved ones, read an amazing book or listen to beautiful music, dance or run or lift heavy, these are the little pleasures that make up the happiness in our lives. They can all be sources of disorder if they interfere with our responsibilities or lead us to hurt ourselves or others. But claiming that those choosing them have nothing else to make them happy? Those things, collectively, are happiness for humans. Cutting them out in some misguided attempt to show you're better or stronger or more disciplined than others? That's the issue.9 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Food is euphoric though! What a boring life if one can't eat delicious food. Life's too short. Live a little.
There's a reason food is euphoric and the issue with that is people get addicted to that feeling and chase it, the more you're dependant on that happiness from food the more your body will crave the foods that trigger that release of dopamine and serotonin... once we change our relationship with food thats when it no longer becomes a chore, or a diet, etc. I live and i eat things i like from time to time in moderation but this is a very small percentage of times and it really depends on what my goals are, I'm happier looking in the mirror and seeing that my hard work paid off than i am eating a burger ...thats just me though2 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Food is euphoric though! What a boring life if one can't eat delicious food. Life's too short. Live a little.
There's a reason food is euphoric and the issue with that is people get addicted to that feeling and chase it, the more you're dependant on that happiness from food the more your body will crave the foods that trigger that release of dopamine and serotonin... once we change our relationship with food thats when it no longer becomes a chore, or a diet, etc. I live and i eat things i like from time to time in moderation but this is a very small percentage of times and it really depends on what my goals are, I'm happier looking in the mirror and seeing that my hard work paid off than i am eating a burger ...thats just me though
And where has anyone that has successfully met and maintained their goals on this thread said they have a problem moderating delicious treats?
A burger happens to be pretty macro friendly FYI, unless you can tell me what makes mincing and forming a patty into a burger, adding some seasoning and salad and putting between some bread does that makes it terrible compared to a seasoned steak with salad and a couple pieces of crusty bread?
The way you describe food relationships is in the extreme, from what can morph into orthorexia right the way through to binge eating or obesity from persistent over-eating. Those are both issues. Finding the middle ground which is what everyone here is advocating? Not an issue. Well, an issue to you apparently but not to anyone else here.
And honestly, if my primary focus is my personal outward appearance more than any other aspect of myself, I'd be thoroughly disappointed with myself.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Would it be a better choice if removing entire favorite foods from the diet makes a person more prone to compensatory overeating?
Would it be a better choice if someone is orthorexic?
Would it be a better choice if your chosen nutrient timing makes someone more prone to overeating?
Would it be a better choice if sustainability of such a diet is an issue?
Would it be a better choice if the person has already found their success strategy, and it doesn't happen to align with yours?
A side not: white fish makes me hungry.11 -
@antdelsa.
Great that you found a way of eating that works for you and has given you optimum results, but "better choice" for you and for me, among others will be different.
I am a flexible dieter, and to me it is working perfectly. Food can be fuel, but it is also a source of enjoyment (I am Italian, it is what brings us together and gives joy.. so very sorry that is not the case for you, again, to each their own)
I don't push how I eat on anyone else, what works for me may not work for you.. however I do not like to be told what I am doing is not as good or not the right way, because, clearly it is working so well for me.
I do not compete, and I am not a bodybuilder by traditional definition. However, I would say my results have been pretty beyond amazing (I do have the body of my dreams by the way, and I am always making improvements, in my case I am currently bulking to gain muscle).6 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Food is euphoric though! What a boring life if one can't eat delicious food. Life's too short. Live a little.
There's a reason food is euphoric and the issue with that is people get addicted to that feeling and chase it, the more you're dependant on that happiness from food the more your body will crave the foods that trigger that release of dopamine and serotonin... once we change our relationship with food thats when it no longer becomes a chore, or a diet, etc. I live and i eat things i like from time to time in moderation but this is a very small percentage of times and it really depends on what my goals are, I'm happier looking in the mirror and seeing that my hard work paid off than i am eating a burger ...thats just me though
And where has anyone that has successfully met and maintained their goals on this thread said they have a problem moderating delicious treats?
A burger happens to be pretty macro friendly FYI, unless you can tell me what makes mincing and forming a patty into a burger, adding some seasoning and salad and putting between some bread does that makes it terrible compared to a seasoned steak with salad and a couple pieces of crusty bread?
The way you describe food relationships is in the extreme, from what can morph into orthorexia right the way through to binge eating or obesity from persistent over-eating. Those are both issues. Finding the middle ground which is what everyone here is advocating? Not an issue. Well, an issue to you apparently but not to anyone else here.
And honestly, if my primary focus is my personal outward appearance more than any other aspect of myself, I'd be thoroughly disappointed with myself.
When i say burger its in reference to fast food, McDonalds, burger king etc. I eat healthy burgers from time to time, turkey or even 93/7 grass fed beef .. but thats a clean option opposed to getting McDonalds simply because its in my calorie and macro budget, totally disregarding cholesterol, sodium, fats, etc.
I'm not saying you shouldn't have variety, what I'm saying is you should always choose whole foods over garbage, I'd rather go over my calories and macros with good whole foods than to meet my macros and caloric goals with trash, calories and macros aren't the end all be all solution to weight loss and health the quality of foods is so important in how your body will utilize whats coming in and I'm not sure how this isn't being received by others or how by saying this I'm over complicating it lol its simple1 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Food is euphoric though! What a boring life if one can't eat delicious food. Life's too short. Live a little.
There's a reason food is euphoric and the issue with that is people get addicted to that feeling and chase it, the more you're dependant on that happiness from food the more your body will crave the foods that trigger that release of dopamine and serotonin... once we change our relationship with food thats when it no longer becomes a chore, or a diet, etc. I live and i eat things i like from time to time in moderation but this is a very small percentage of times and it really depends on what my goals are, I'm happier looking in the mirror and seeing that my hard work paid off than i am eating a burger ...thats just me though
And where has anyone that has successfully met and maintained their goals on this thread said they have a problem moderating delicious treats?
A burger happens to be pretty macro friendly FYI, unless you can tell me what makes mincing and forming a patty into a burger, adding some seasoning and salad and putting between some bread does that makes it terrible compared to a seasoned steak with salad and a couple pieces of crusty bread?
The way you describe food relationships is in the extreme, from what can morph into orthorexia right the way through to binge eating or obesity from persistent over-eating. Those are both issues. Finding the middle ground which is what everyone here is advocating? Not an issue. Well, an issue to you apparently but not to anyone else here.
And honestly, if my primary focus is my personal outward appearance more than any other aspect of myself, I'd be thoroughly disappointed with myself.
When i say burger its in reference to fast food, McDonalds, burger king etc. I eat healthy burgers from time to time, turkey or even 93/7 grass fed beef .. but thats a clean option opposed to getting McDonalds simply because its in my calorie and macro budget, totally disregarding cholesterol, sodium, fats, etc.
I'm not saying you shouldn't have variety, what I'm saying is you should always choose whole foods over garbage, I'd rather go over my calories and macros with good whole foods than to meet my macros and caloric goals with trash, calories and macros aren't the end all be all solution to weight loss and health the quality of foods is so important in how your body will utilize whats coming in and I'm not sure how this isn't being received by others or how by saying this I'm over complicating it lol its simple
Please look at this ingredients document for McDonalds UK and tell me where the garbage is (and you still haven't clarified what you mean by garbage or trash and what that garbage or trash does to my body).
http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/content/dam/McDonaldsUK/Food/Category/Nutrients/OurFood-Booklet.pdf
And for full disclosure, I don't actually eat at the fast food burger places very often but that's just personal preference, nothing to do with me thinking they're terrible nutritionally.7 -
Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods?
Nothing. What does this have to do with the topic. Also, if someone finds cooking difficult and hasn't learned yet, telling them they must become a scratch cook to lose weight healthfully (which is a lie) is overcomplicating it.Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
There's a ton of conflicting advice and, most important, it's completely irrelevant to most people and will depend on specific goals.Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I don't eat garbage (doubt anyone here does, why would they?), or struggle with weight issues related to what I eat.
Again, why not address what has actually been said? Arguing against a strawman rather than what people actually say is rude, IMO.Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster
So what? You didn't tell me why I'm supposed to care about this.and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Why do I need that?Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Clean diet = no processed foods. I suspect strongly that you don't eat a clean diet any more than I do. And I don't need to make an excuse for not doing so, I think some processed foods are helpful in achieving my nutrition goals, while others are delicious and fit easily in my overall healthy diet (i.e., some Maytag blue cheese, some Jeni's ice cream).
I do care about eating a nutrient dense diet that serves my health and fitness goals, and I don't see how some ridiculous notion of "eating clean" would further those goals. (And as I understand it, I am on the same page with OP on these issues.)its not about making this easy
If you want people to stick with things like eating a nutritious and calorie-appropriate diet, it sure is. Why not? For example, I could say that taste and easiness doesn't matter, eat all food with the perfect nutrient choices blended up into a shake (blech). Or I could pay attention and could them well so that eating my vegetables is a delight and so is getting in my protein and healthy fats, etc.4 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Food is euphoric though! What a boring life if one can't eat delicious food. Life's too short. Live a little.
There's a reason food is euphoric and the issue with that is people get addicted to that feeling and chase it, the more you're dependant on that happiness from food the more your body will crave the foods that trigger that release of dopamine and serotonin... once we change our relationship with food thats when it no longer becomes a chore, or a diet, etc. I live and i eat things i like from time to time in moderation but this is a very small percentage of times and it really depends on what my goals are, I'm happier looking in the mirror and seeing that my hard work paid off than i am eating a burger ...thats just me though
My relationship with food became immeasurably better when I stopped labelling what I could and couldn't have based on arbitrary rules about what is good for me. I actually eat to fuel my body more frequently now, but there is much less guilt and shame around having some ice cream or a fast food burger.8 -
@antdelsa.
Great that you found a way of eating that works for you and has given you optimum results, but "better choice" for you and for me, among others will be different.
I am a flexible dieter, and to me it is working perfectly. Food can be fuel, but it is also a source of enjoyment (I am Italian, it is what brings us together and gives joy.. so very sorry that is not the case for you, again, to each their own)
I don't push how I eat on anyone else, what works for me may not work for you.. however I do not like to be told what I am doing is not as good or not the right way, because, clearly it is working so well for me.
I do not compete, and I am not a bodybuilder by traditional definition. However, I would say my results have been pretty beyond amazing (I do have the body of my dreams by the way, and I am always making improvements, in my case I am currently bulking to gain muscle).
I've said many times if it works for you then that is amazing, I'm simply saying there are more effecient and effective ways, flexible dieting is great when it works, trust me i enjoy variety but when the discussion is "clean" eating vs "dirty" or whatever verbage was used then I'm in the side of clean eating, because it is in my opinion the most effective and effecient way, its the healthier option and if ine can adhere to a clean nutrition plan there's not much room for error. This seems to be more of an issue of discipline and will power for people who struggle with weight0 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Food is euphoric though! What a boring life if one can't eat delicious food. Life's too short. Live a little.
There's a reason food is euphoric and the issue with that is people get addicted to that feeling and chase it, the more you're dependant on that happiness from food the more your body will crave the foods that trigger that release of dopamine and serotonin... once we change our relationship with food thats when it no longer becomes a chore, or a diet, etc. I live and i eat things i like from time to time in moderation but this is a very small percentage of times and it really depends on what my goals are, I'm happier looking in the mirror and seeing that my hard work paid off than i am eating a burger ...thats just me though
And where has anyone that has successfully met and maintained their goals on this thread said they have a problem moderating delicious treats?
A burger happens to be pretty macro friendly FYI, unless you can tell me what makes mincing and forming a patty into a burger, adding some seasoning and salad and putting between some bread does that makes it terrible compared to a seasoned steak with salad and a couple pieces of crusty bread?
The way you describe food relationships is in the extreme, from what can morph into orthorexia right the way through to binge eating or obesity from persistent over-eating. Those are both issues. Finding the middle ground which is what everyone here is advocating? Not an issue. Well, an issue to you apparently but not to anyone else here.
And honestly, if my primary focus is my personal outward appearance more than any other aspect of myself, I'd be thoroughly disappointed with myself.
When i say burger its in reference to fast food, McDonalds, burger king etc.
Why would you make this assumption? I swear, clean eaters often make it seem that without their clean eating rules they'd be eating fast food and sweets 24/7 -- exactly what they accuse the rest of us (falsely) of doing.I eat healthy burgers from time to time, turkey or even 93/7 grass fed beef .. but thats a clean option opposed to getting McDonalds simply because its in my calorie and macro budget, totally disregarding cholesterol, sodium, fats, etc.
No, it's NOT clean. Clean is no processed foods. Homemade or no, a bun is processed, ground meat is processed (and ground turkey is unpleasant, IMO, I much prefer my turkey not ground up or made into fake bacon, for that matter, but that -- and I am aware of it -- is just a matter of personal preference not something that makes ground turkey "bad" or "garbage").
I don't eat McD's because I dislike it (that's it's too salty for me is part of that, but not the only thing -- a homemade burger is tastier, IMO). But it could easily fit within a healthful overall diet.you should always choose whole foods over garbage
Why is a shrimp wrap from Pret or a lentil soup or a salad I buy out (let's say at Protein Bar, a local chain I like) = garbage? I went to http://sevenlionschicago.com/seven-lions-menus/ on Friday, why is that garbage such that I should tell friends I can't go out to eat before the symphony because homemade food is always better?
I agree that it's generally easier if you do a lot of cooking from whole foods, but why on earth does that have to be all or nothing?
And why is something I don't cook = trash? Weird way of thinking about food.10 -
@antdelsa.
Great that you found a way of eating that works for you and has given you optimum results, but "better choice" for you and for me, among others will be different.
I am a flexible dieter, and to me it is working perfectly. Food can be fuel, but it is also a source of enjoyment (I am Italian, it is what brings us together and gives joy.. so very sorry that is not the case for you, again, to each their own)
I don't push how I eat on anyone else, what works for me may not work for you.. however I do not like to be told what I am doing is not as good or not the right way, because, clearly it is working so well for me.
I do not compete, and I am not a bodybuilder by traditional definition. However, I would say my results have been pretty beyond amazing (I do have the body of my dreams by the way, and I am always making improvements, in my case I am currently bulking to gain muscle).
I've said many times if it works for you then that is amazing, I'm simply saying there are more effecient and effective ways, flexible dieting is great when it works, trust me i enjoy variety but when the discussion is "clean" eating vs "dirty" or whatever verbage was used then I'm in the side of clean eating, because it is in my opinion the most effective and effecient way, its the healthier option and if ine can adhere to a clean nutrition plan there's not much room for error. This seems to be more of an issue of discipline and will power for people who struggle with weight
I've been around this block for a good while, and what I have seen is the exact opposite. You work too hard and use willpower too much, and you're happy with the results. Good for you, but you're in the minority, though. The best successes minimize use of willpower and dieting feels relatively natural to them as opposed to being hard work. None of what you are doing is absolutely necessary, you just chose to make it so and that's your own choice, this doesn't make it the better choice.5 -
RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »Clean eating threads always make me want an ice cream.
I had ice cream yesterday. There was just a little left in the container, and it looked so lonely that I felt compelled to put it out of its misery.
Somehow, that .75 serving of ice cream failed to add 10 lbs to my waistline.5 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Food is euphoric though! What a boring life if one can't eat delicious food. Life's too short. Live a little.
There's a reason food is euphoric and the issue with that is people get addicted to that feeling and chase it, the more you're dependant on that happiness from food the more your body will crave the foods that trigger that release of dopamine and serotonin... once we change our relationship with food thats when it no longer becomes a chore, or a diet, etc. I live and i eat things i like from time to time in moderation but this is a very small percentage of times and it really depends on what my goals are, I'm happier looking in the mirror and seeing that my hard work paid off than i am eating a burger ...thats just me though
My relationship with food became immeasurably better when I stopped labelling what I could and couldn't have based on arbitrary rules about what is good for me. I actually eat to fuel my body more frequently now, but there is much less guilt and shame around having some ice cream or a fast food burger.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »It definitely matters, it matters in sooooo many ways. Not every calorie is equal number one, eating "junk" is not going to be burned as fast as healthy whole foods that are easily digested and metabolized for the body to use.
Also macros are great but micro nutrients are also very important not to mention timing your macros to get the most effecient use of both micro and macro nutrients.
"Clean" eating and "junk" eating aren't arbitrary terms.. eating clean is eating food that is grown in the ground or had a life at some point, junk eating is processed foods, foods filled with garbage and preservatives... these things have a substantial role in weight loss, weight gain, muscle building etc. Regardless what your goals are its always better to eat clean whole foods,but with that said its also ok to indulge from time to time in moderation this doesn't mean every day or even every week. Results are primarily from nutrition and rest, exercise is the smallest part of the equation
I have a question: when McDonald's makes an Egg McMuffin, do they go through each ingredient with a special tool to strip the nutrients off? Why is a homemade egg in butter on a muffin with canadian bacon and cheese nutritious and clean but Egg McMuffin isn't? Taste preferences aside, it's basically the same thing.
Preservatives number one just to be brief.... think about what a preservative is, its function.. now tell me do you think your body is going to break that down and digest it then metabolize it as fast as food without preservatives? Definitely wont, we weren't made to process those added chemicals so our bodies take longer to utilize those types of foods as fuel which is all food is. Which is why there's carbs that are better than others, meats that are better than others so on and so forth, some foods are more effecient than others.
Example - Simple carbs are amazing after a workout because of their effect on your body when its in that state, simple carbs otherwise are no good and will more than likely be stored as energy (fat)
With all due respect, might I suggest taking a basic physics course? Learn what efficiency means. Then try applying it to your statement above. You'll find - if you're willing to learn - that what you posted is entirely incorrect.
Just a quick synopsis of what you'll learn: the more efficient something is, the less energy it uses. If it uses less energy, there will be more energy left over - in this case, that has to be stored. As such, the "clean" foods that are supposedly more efficient for the body to digest/process? Calories from those foods are more likely to be stored as fat.
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Really? What's complicated about this vast and arbitrary and scientifically unsound list of rules you must keep in mind and obey at all times or "fail" because you ate "garbage"?Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
I mean, have you even looked at many of the questions we get here from newbies? They're unhappy with their bodies and maybe have health issues they need to address which are primarily to do with being overweight or obese, and they want to fix it. But they've seen so much complex and conflicting advice about "eating clean" -- your system is only one of many mutually contradictory ones -- that they don't even know where to begin. When they try to "eat clean", they end up not only on a significant calorie reduction, which is the only thing they really need to lose the weight, but they wind up cutting out all of their favorite dishes. This makes it twice as hard as it needs to be, not least because it provides an extra and totally needless way to "fail". On "failure" by enjoying, say, a piece of cake, they're burdened with guilt and stress. If they're the type to eat emotionally, this sends them into an emotional/eating spiral that makes them end up worse off than they were before, and they conclude that weight control is somehow impossible.
Even if that doesn't happen, eating becomes a source of worry and stress, not the pleasure it ought to be.
The path to weight loss success begins with making the process as easy as possible. Making it as hard as possible is worse than counterproductive.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »@antdelsa.
Great that you found a way of eating that works for you and has given you optimum results, but "better choice" for you and for me, among others will be different.
I am a flexible dieter, and to me it is working perfectly. Food can be fuel, but it is also a source of enjoyment (I am Italian, it is what brings us together and gives joy.. so very sorry that is not the case for you, again, to each their own)
I don't push how I eat on anyone else, what works for me may not work for you.. however I do not like to be told what I am doing is not as good or not the right way, because, clearly it is working so well for me.
I do not compete, and I am not a bodybuilder by traditional definition. However, I would say my results have been pretty beyond amazing (I do have the body of my dreams by the way, and I am always making improvements, in my case I am currently bulking to gain muscle).
I've said many times if it works for you then that is amazing, I'm simply saying there are more effecient and effective ways, flexible dieting is great when it works, trust me i enjoy variety but when the discussion is "clean" eating vs "dirty" or whatever verbage was used then I'm in the side of clean eating, because it is in my opinion the most effective and effecient way, its the healthier option and if ine can adhere to a clean nutrition plan there's not much room for error. This seems to be more of an issue of discipline and will power for people who struggle with weight
I've been around this block for a good while, and what I have seen is the exact opposite. You work too hard and use willpower too much, and you're happy with the results. Good for you, but you're in the minority, though. The best successes minimize use of willpower and dieting feels relatively natural to them as opposed to being hard work. None of what you are doing is absolutely necessary, you just chose to make it so and that's your own choice, this doesn't make it the better choice.
Bingo. Back when I started this whole thing I knew I had one shot to turn things around, in order to prevent my prediabetes from escalating to type 2. However, I also knew that if I made a bunch of drastic changes to how I ate/my lifestyle, I would fail-just like every other overweight person in my family who had done a bunch of drastic changes to lose weight and had failed at long term adherence. So I approached weight loss/maintenance by doing things as simply as possible.
I only focused on my calorie intake and hit the needed deficit for my weight loss goals. Still ate the same foods as before and I didn't box myself in with a bunch of arbitrary rules. I lost the extra weight no problem, improved all my health markers and blood work panels and then transitioned into maintenance without issue. And, 4 years later I'm still maintaining successfully, and I still have great feedback from my doctor. Yes, I eat a lot of veggies and fruit, whole grains, fish etc. I also eat Fritos daily because I enjoy them on my salads. I had a whopper Jr. and small fry from Burger King on Friday night and -gasp- I had a slice of pizza from Little Caesars last night. My weigh-in this morning put my bmi at a 20.3
If someone wants to make this process complicated, more power to them. But keeping things simple has worked really well for me, and I've hit every single goal I've had with no problem
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amusedmonkey wrote: »It definitely matters, it matters in sooooo many ways. Not every calorie is equal number one, eating "junk" is not going to be burned as fast as healthy whole foods that are easily digested and metabolized for the body to use.
Also macros are great but micro nutrients are also very important not to mention timing your macros to get the most effecient use of both micro and macro nutrients.
"Clean" eating and "junk" eating aren't arbitrary terms.. eating clean is eating food that is grown in the ground or had a life at some point, junk eating is processed foods, foods filled with garbage and preservatives... these things have a substantial role in weight loss, weight gain, muscle building etc. Regardless what your goals are its always better to eat clean whole foods,but with that said its also ok to indulge from time to time in moderation this doesn't mean every day or even every week. Results are primarily from nutrition and rest, exercise is the smallest part of the equation
I have a question: when McDonald's makes an Egg McMuffin, do they go through each ingredient with a special tool to strip the nutrients off? Why is a homemade egg in butter on a muffin with canadian bacon and cheese nutritious and clean but Egg McMuffin isn't? Taste preferences aside, it's basically the same thing.
Preservatives number one just to be brief.... think about what a preservative is, its function.. now tell me do you think your body is going to break that down and digest it then metabolize it as fast as food without preservatives? Definitely wont, we weren't made to process those added chemicals so our bodies take longer to utilize those types of foods as fuel which is all food is. Which is why there's carbs that are better than others, meats that are better than others so on and so forth, some foods are more effecient than others.
Example - Simple carbs are amazing after a workout because of their effect on your body when its in that state, simple carbs otherwise are no good and will more than likely be stored as energy (fat)
With all due respect, might I suggest taking a basic physics course? Learn what efficiency means. Then try applying it to your statement above. You'll find - if you're willing to learn - that what you posted is entirely incorrect.
Just a quick synopsis of what you'll learn: the more efficient something is, the less energy it uses. If it uses less energy, there will be more energy left over - in this case, that has to be stored. As such, the "clean" foods that are supposedly more efficient for the body to digest/process? Calories from those foods are more likely to be stored as fat.
Oh, I missed this one from antdelsa before. Agreed on the efficiency point. To go on about it even more, the ironic thing is that while I don't go for "bad" and "good" carbs, the "good" carbs are normally the ones we digest and "processed" more slowly, due to the presence of fiber. The ones we digest most efficiently are refined carbs and especially sugar. Which is why people doing endurance sports might supplement with things like gels that are essentially all sugar. (So does that make my Clif Shots and Gu I'm practicing with as part of marathon training extra clean! Who would have thought it, them being all processed and all. Similarly, one of the reasons some bro types are so into whey protein and the like is that it's processed quickly (probably more so than white fish). Similarly, it's why the nutrition timing stuff pushes protein plus easily digested carbs (i.e., more processed carbs, normally) post workout.) Like I said before, not sure why this is supposed to be an argument for "clean eating."
Re preservatives, super common preservatives include salt. Your body knows how to deal with salt quite well, especially if you exercise. Another is vinegar -- anything pickled is preserved. So is anything smoked. Can my body not deal with smoked salmon? (That's a rhetorical question, as of course it can.)4 -
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored.
People have moved past what you said because you didn't make a legitimate case for it.The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond.
How, exactly?Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact.
Weight-loss is not linear. But weight-loss is CICO. Still waiting for those current peer-reviewed studies (not an alleged summary of a study) which "prove" your "fact."Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them.
Again, waiting for peer-reviewed studies that show cause and effect regarding nutrient timing and weight-loss.Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health
No one's saying they don't care about their health here. For many of us, losing weight was driven by a need for better health. That's how we got here and why there are so many responses to what you're posting. You're drastically over complicating things and stating a lot of "facts" without the (real, i.e. scientific) sources to back them up. Which is fine for you, where you are and where you want to be. You do you.
But for someone just starting out, they're going read your "bioavailablity" and "nutrient timing" and TEF and think they're never going to lose weight before they start because it's so hard and so complicated. And they're going to stay where they are. We want people to come here and find the information and support they need to keep moving forward into health, not hit a wall of nutritional mumbo-jumbo.honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Dude, with this sanctimonious attitude, it seems like you have the issues.7 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Ways to look good after a cut:
1. Eat enough protein
2. Lift heavy things
3. Do both consistently.
4. Maintain a small deficit (relative to your body fat) so as not to overtax your body's ability to fuel you deficit from your fat stores.
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And this, OP, why the term "clean eating" tends to elicit some strong responses. Now you know.7
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janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
I see you didn't read my post... there's always a better choice for EVERYTHING. Do you have the same level of discipline with your work? You obviously spend a good time in the gym. Wouldn't a better option be to spend more time in your professional career? What are you making that choice for, temporary happiness? What about volunteer time? How much time do you spend giving back to others? Couldn't you spend more? But you are choosing things that give you temporary happiness and personal results when you could be at a soup kitchen or mentoring youth? What about your finances? How much do you spend on your supplements and gym membership? Shouldn't you be saving that money rather than making a choice that provides temporary happiness? How undisciplined are you?11 -
You are generalizing. I literally lost weight by eating junk food and sweets lol ! Is it healthy ? No , but thats the only way I could do it. Junk food and sweets are what satisfy me and if I dont have them , I end up overeating. Clean eating is boring for me and does not make me feel full AT ALL. I exercise just because I enjoy it and since I enjoy it , I look forward to it everyday. Same with food. Life is too short to eat foods which you dont like and people's tastes are all different . 0
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Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Food is euphoric though! What a boring life if one can't eat delicious food. Life's too short. Live a little.
Food it euphoric to some, to others it's fine, needed to survive but not needed for intense excitement and happiness (the definition of euphoric).0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Whats overly complicated about eating whole healthy foods? Whats complicated about learning simple nutritional timing?
Its more complicated to continue to eat garbage and try to sort out why you're still struggling with weight issues quite honestly
I didn't post that article with the intention of plagiarism is was 5 in the morning i used quotations and just simply forgot to add the reference, sheesh
Look do what you guys want, if it works for you great, I've never seen more people in my life who claim to be healthy but are so quick to jump down someones neck for saying to eat healthy and clean.
Steak is a great source of protein but in context to my example white fish is digested faster and the nutrients are bioavailable much faster than what a steak would be ...
Not sure what other ridiculous questions have been thrown out here as there are sooo many people who took this opportunity to make am excuse as to why its ok for them to continue to not eat a cleam diet ...
Adherence is very important i get that, consistency is key but having discipline and will power to say no to foods you know aren't going to be the best option are part of this journey, its not about making this easy and all about doing it the right way. I prefer to do things the most efficient and productive way for the most optimal results if thats not your thing then disregard but don't jump down my throat for telling people to eat clean when we all know its the better option, if you have issues being disciplined and sticking with a clean diet thats your issue, but don't make it seem like its impossible to avoid garbage and is soooo hard to do, that defeatist attitude from the beginning is why people fail, I'd rather someone know its possible and can be done and for doing it they will achieve much better results in a shorter period of time. Not one person in here can tell me that a clean diet isn't a better choice its absolutely ridiculous to think otherwise, and taking advice on this subject from some of you is like taking financial advice from a homeless person, consider the source. How many of you who oppose what I'm saying are still struggling and how many of you can truly and honestly say you have the body you dream of .... you may be happy with your results but lets be honest with ourselves I'm sure there's some room for approvement
Given my appearance, my running performance, how I feel, and the results of my annual physicals, I don't think I'm making excuses when I say it's okay for me to not eat "clean."
In fact, I don't see anybody making "excuses" for how they eat. You failing to make a case for "clean eating" doesn't mean that those who accordingly reject your opinion are making excuses.
I didn't fail to make a case for it, whats being said is just being ignored. Answers may not be what people want to hear but it doesn't mean they aren't true.
Simply put, a clean diet of whole foods is and will always be the better choice. The source and the quality of food you eat makes a difference and plays a part in how your body will respond. Weight loss is not as linear as calories in vs calories out , which is the most basic premise and a great starting point but there's so much more to it than that, this is not opinion it is fact. Nutrient timing can aid in the efficiency of weight loss and although some may see it as insignificant to their goals thats not to say that it can't be effective towards them. Every little bit counts especially when it comes to my health but idk maybe thats just me, honestly having some food i know will possibly hinder my goals isn't worth me setting myself back, I've worked too hard and have too much discipline and will power to throw it away just to indulge on some snacks or food that isn't the best option for me, all for what? Temporary happiness? Lol seriously if you need food that bad to make you happy and cannot find anything else in that moment to make you happier than you have issues, food is fuel its not a source of euphoria.
Food is euphoric though! What a boring life if one can't eat delicious food. Life's too short. Live a little.
Food it euphoric to some, to others it's fine, needed to survive but not needed for intense excitement and happiness (the definition of euphoric).
Did I use the wrong word? My bad. Food is intense and makes me happy.1 -
When i say burger its in reference to fast food, McDonalds, burger king etc. I eat healthy burgers from time to time, turkey or even 93/7 grass fed beef .. but thats a clean option opposed to getting McDonalds simply because its in my calorie and macro budget, totally disregarding cholesterol, sodium, fats, etc.
Here. Read up and enjoy, you may even find it educational: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/research-review/hormonal-responses-fast-food-meal.html/
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