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Full fat VS low fat
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livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I prefer full fat products. Things like mayonnaise, cottage cheese, peanut butter, sour cream, and so on. Why? Low fat products has to compensate for the reduced "low fat" content by increasing sugar. Companies do this so their products doesn't taste bad. https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/truth-about-low-fat-foods
Low fat dairy doesn't generally have added sugar..
The link posted doesn't refer to dairy. I know most of the posts above do. EDIT: I just realized that the poster of the link spoke about dairy too.
It talks about low fat biscuits (cookies) having more sugar a standard version so the overall calories remain close.
So McVitie's Light Digestive Biscuits promote that they are 30% less fat but are only 5 Kcal per biscuit less in calories than standard McVitie's Digestive Biscuits. (Per 100g Sugar goes from 16.6g to 20.2g)
IMHO if you're munching through half a packet of "light" biscuits and expecting to loose weight you need to start reading labels.
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Using the example of Mayonnaise. Helmann's light Mayo has only about 40% of the calories of their standard version. (per 100g sugar goes from 1.3g to 2.3g)
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Sorry, no. I don't eat raw or partially raw meat.
I haven't eaten a burger less than well done since I read 'Toxin' by Robin Cook. ::noway::
Steaks I can do, but not ground meat. Even when I grind the meat myself I still get weirded out.
Yeah, but then if you have your meat well-done/chargrilled, you have Trp-P-1 and cancers to worry about...you just can't win
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Hawaiian_Iceberg wrote: »Using the example of Mayonnaise. Helmann's light Mayo has only about 40% of the calories of their standard version. (per 100g sugar goes from 1.3g to 2.3g)
I really REALLY wish to know how that makes a difference. If you go for broke and eat 100 grams of mayo (most people wouldn't), how would one gram of extra sugar affect anything? Even for diabetics this would be pretty negligible and eating a fraction of a gram extra sugar (which by the way is not always extra, but simply a result of changing ratios) is well worth it for the gained calorie reduction - taste is a different matter.
ETA: unrelated, but what is the kind of bar used in your picture called?7 -
@amusedmonkey our gym calls those trap bars.0
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amusedmonkey wrote: »Hawaiian_Iceberg wrote: »Using the example of Mayonnaise. Helmann's light Mayo has only about 40% of the calories of their standard version. (per 100g sugar goes from 1.3g to 2.3g)
I really REALLY wish to know how that makes a difference. If you go for broke and eat 100 grams of mayo (most people wouldn't), how would one gram of extra sugar affect anything? Even for diabetics this would be pretty negligible and eating a fraction of a gram extra sugar (which by the way is not always extra, but simply a result of changing ratios) is well worth it for the gained calorie reduction - taste is a different matter.
ETA: unrelated, but what is the kind of bar used in your picture called?
I think you misunderstand me AM. I don't think it makes a difference at all. I think its COMPLETELY negligible in that case. I looked up the biscuits to see if what the article said held true and it sort of did. I looked up the Mayo as Gymzonian flagged it as an example and I didn't think it was a good one.
It's a trap bar (sometimes called a hexbar) I'm holding. Neat piece of kit which I really like for deadlifts.0 -
Hawaiian_Iceberg wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Hawaiian_Iceberg wrote: »Using the example of Mayonnaise. Helmann's light Mayo has only about 40% of the calories of their standard version. (per 100g sugar goes from 1.3g to 2.3g)
I really REALLY wish to know how that makes a difference. If you go for broke and eat 100 grams of mayo (most people wouldn't), how would one gram of extra sugar affect anything? Even for diabetics this would be pretty negligible and eating a fraction of a gram extra sugar (which by the way is not always extra, but simply a result of changing ratios) is well worth it for the gained calorie reduction - taste is a different matter.
ETA: unrelated, but what is the kind of bar used in your picture called?
I think you misunderstand me AM. I don't think it makes a difference at all. I think its COMPLETELY negligible in that case. I looked up the biscuits to see if what the article said held true and it sort of did. I looked up the Mayo as Gymzonian flagged it as an example and I didn't think it was a good one.
It's a trap bar (sometimes called a hexbar) I'm holding. Neat piece of kit which I really like for deadlifts.
Ah yes, I did misunderstand you and I agree with you.
A trap bar eh? Thank you (and @mortuseon_). I'm more fascinated than I should be given than I don't lift. I think the design is brilliant. [/end_derail].0 -
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Hawaiian_Iceberg wrote: »livingleanlivingclean wrote: »I prefer full fat products. Things like mayonnaise, cottage cheese, peanut butter, sour cream, and so on. Why? Low fat products has to compensate for the reduced "low fat" content by increasing sugar. Companies do this so their products doesn't taste bad. https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/truth-about-low-fat-foods
Low fat dairy doesn't generally have added sugar..
The link posted doesn't refer to dairy. I know most of the posts above do. EDIT: I just realized that the poster of the link spoke about dairy too.
Exactly, the poster specifically mentioned cottage cheese, and it's not accurate. I wish people would stop spreading silly lies about low fat dairy.3 -
Hawaiian_Iceberg wrote: »Using the example of Mayonnaise. Helmann's light Mayo has only about 40% of the calories of their standard version. (per 100g sugar goes from 1.3g to 2.3g)
..and neither have enough sugar to put >0g/serving on the label.0 -
Hawaiian_Iceberg wrote: »Using the example of Mayonnaise. Helmann's light Mayo has only about 40% of the calories of their standard version. (per 100g sugar goes from 1.3g to 2.3g)
..and neither have enough sugar to put >0g/serving on the label.
Yes exactly. The difference is tiny especially when a serving is a table spoons worth.0 -
I'd like to see food companies labeling full fat and what kind of fat instead of low fat. I recently set my macros to higher fat and lower carbohydrate, and it has jump started my weight loss.0
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carolyn000000 wrote: »I'd like to see food companies labeling full fat and what kind of fat instead of low fat. I recently set my macros to higher fat and lower carbohydrate, and it has jump started my weight loss.
What country are you in? In US, the labels normally list the amounts of fat, saturated fat, trans fat at least. Full fat dairy won't say "low fat" or "2%' or "1%" on the front, and cottage cheese, at least, will usually specify the "4%" on the full fat.0 -
carolyn000000 wrote: »I'd like to see food companies labeling full fat and what kind of fat instead of low fat. I recently set my macros to higher fat and lower carbohydrate, and it has jump started my weight loss.
They do indicate if they are full fat, well dairy does, and that's the only place it's relevant. Ground meat will say what the fat percentage is. As for type of fat, you have to know what type of fat is in whatever it is.0 -
I generally prefer full-fat to non-fat, but I'll take low-fat over both. Tends to have a good balance of richness and lower calories. But it's definitely important to read labels.0
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Full fat olive oil salad dressing, full fat cheese, half and half, non-fat Greek yogurt, avocados, mostly lean meat in small portions and Buffalo wings with full fat bleu cheese dressing on occasion. I eat to satisfy my eyes, my stomach, my calorie count and my sanity - because it's a long journey and I don't want to be discouraged on any of those fronts.1
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Which do you think is better in your diet?
And why?
My starting point is with whole foods and organic foods, because I believe they are more nutritious and contain less environmental and processing toxins.
Yoghurt seems to be my exception. I find it easy to find ways to eat good fat (nuts & avocados are favorites of mine), but I find it difficult to eat enough protein. I'm an omnivore-meat light and I just don't eat enough volume of veg protein food combos to satisfy minimums. Hence, plain unsweetened 0% fat yoghurt is an easy way for me to boost protein and stay within my kcal range.
I have tried protein powders, but the frankenfoodness of it made me uncomfortable; I did not feel healthier or stronger; I wondered whether it was contributing to my plateaus.
My daily kcal range is not otherwise fat-avoidance--rather it welcomes fat in a central role. I use real butter, prefer raw cheese, use whole unhomogenized milk when making dairy selections. When I eat eggs, I use the whole egg. When I eat meat or fowl, I enjoy it more with excess fat trimmed (the leaner and rarer the better). On the other hand, I keep the skin on poultry (truly enjoy eating crispy skin). I use olive oil liberally when I cook. When I cook beans coating them in a few tablespoons of olive is key to many preparations.
off topic: My favorite way to have beans is savory and atop shredded or cut lightly sauteed dark greens.
I do not often bake, because I do not have sweet tooth, when I have made a chocolate something coconut oil is often an ingredient. Sometines I get the hanger for carbs, such as oatmeal or pancakes, so I incorporate a little coconut oil, as a way to moderate the glycemic load. Likewise, when I have that infrequent dessert, I will choose one with fat--so its pie over cake; gelato over cookies. I know that I have blown my kcal count for day, but moderating the sugar glycemic load is more important for me. I also will not save kcal throughout the day for dessert , because I will not get enough nutrients.
On the otherhand, I may shave kcal off breakfast, lunch, snack, if I have dinner plans, so I can enjoy more delicious and nutrious food with other folks around the table.
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I drink skim milk. It doesn't taste like chalk water; it tastes like milk. Whole milk tastes like drinking cream. Yuck! Because it's all a matter of what you're used to. Whatever you usually drink, you'll like best and the rest will all taste wrong.
I don't drink skim milk because it has lower calories (though that's a nice bonus) or because I'm trying to keep my fat intake low. I drink skim milk because every other kind gives me nasty digestive issues - as do many other animal fats. I actually work really hard to incorporate enough fat into my diet. And if I have a glass of skim milk reasonably close to my breakfast of almond butter on toast, I still get the "fat helps the body absorb vitamins" effect.
So, I don't think either option is objectively better. I'm in the "use whichever you prefer and fits your diet" camp.0 -
@Hearts 2015, Fage yogurt is awesome and it comes in full fat, low fat and fat free last I checked. Also if anyone does use low fat products and it's always an option, make sure that the fat has not been replaced with fillers. Yes on some products when the fat is reduced the sugar content goes up but not always substantially. If you are watching your total calories and full fat has higher calories, the option is always to eat less of a full fat then a low fat product. It all depends on what kind of diet plan your following. High fat, high protein eaters...well yeah, but low fat dieters if you have to choose where to get your fat, I agree, Id rather get my fat calories from nuts and seeds and avocadoes than from dairy saturated fats.0
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Depends on what it is. I've always believed in using full fat, salted butter (fake butter? Why bother?) Full fat cheese? Absolutely. Full fat ice cream? Absolutely. I still use them regularly while dieting.
The only exception is that I drink TONS of milk and full fat milk is 180 calories per serving, while the 0% organic is 80 per serving. I would have to limit my dairy if I drank full fat milk and dairy is my primary source of protein (along with beans and such) since I don't like meats. So I only limit fat if the calories are substantially higher in an item that I don't think "needs" to be full fat.0 -
Full fat in moderation. not only is it healthy (hdl, omega 3 and 6, etc) and satiates hunger, its high amounts of sugar and salt thats the killer (diabetes, cardiac arrest, strokes/clogged arteries etc).
Healthy fats are in avocadoes, nuts, coconut stuff, even dairy in moderation. Also fyi cottage cheese is high in protein.4 -
Unless It's fresh ground from steak, I'll take mine medium/well I don't trust 99% of factory butchers.
Now a steak.. medium-rare is fine.
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mortuseon_ wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »
Sorry, no. I don't eat raw or partially raw meat.
I haven't eaten a burger less than well done since I read 'Toxin' by Robin Cook. ::noway::
Steaks I can do, but not ground meat. Even when I grind the meat myself I still get weirded out.
Yeah, but then if you have your meat well-done/chargrilled, you have Trp-P-1 and cancers to worry about...you just can't win
Charred/burnt isn't well done.
Well done has a moist brown(not grey) centre.0 -
Be vary cautious of anything labeled "low fat" or "fat free". Fat tastes good, and to compensate for the lack of fats, sugar (and a lot of it) is usually added.6
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Someone has slept through class.1
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Without meaning to I've been eating less fat than usual. Been constipated for a week now despite drinking more fluids and getting fiber. Looking forward to a butter-fried omlette tomorrow morning and hopefully a subsequent visit to the porcelain throne. Low fat works for some, but I'm not one of them.1
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Full fat as much as possible (I did by low fat part skim mozzarella sticks the other day to save a few calories and $; tasteless and won't be buying again).
Namely because I love my gallbladder and don't want to be parted from it prematurely due to under-performance in the face of a low fat diet that will fill it with sludge and stones if I'm an unlucky body in that pathology lottery, thanks.0 -
I prefer full fat dairy but have been using powdered milk lately which is nonfat. I don't drink it just use it in cooking.
I get full fat cheese and yogurt.
I hate margarine. I get real butter.
I eat whole eggs. I kind of dislike egg whites so if I don't eat the good yolk there isn't any point to me eating eggs.
I use Newman's Own light salad dressing but mostly hate light versions of products.
I use regular peanut butter.
I am right there with you! I have always had a healthy body weight, so it's never done me wrong either.
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There is a bit of a confusion here. Using some low fat foods and drinks does not necessarily mean a low fat diet. It simply means picking and choosing your major sources of fat. For example, you may go low fat yogurt in order to have the calories for full fat mayo on your sandwich if you prefer it, or having low fat mayo in order to have lasagna if you don't mind low fat mayo... and so on.
I have my milk low fat, but my cheese full fat. It's all about preferences and what you think is worth the calories.8
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