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Full fat VS low fat
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Low fat diet for me. Granted, I personally enjoy dietary fats from past experience, that ship has sailed now. Have been put on a low fat diet for medical purposes. No more than 30-40 grams a day (gastroparesis).0
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An eye opener for me was reading "The Big FAT Surprise" by Nina Teicholz. After nine years of investigation, she reveals "the unthinkable: everything we've been told about fat is wrong." According to her research, ever since the government adopted the low fat, high carbohydrate recommendations, obesity and type 2 diabetes have increased steadily along with sugar consumption to where the average sugar consumption in America is well over 150# per year. Personally, since I have adopted a low carb (<30 grams a day) high fat and moderate protein I have lost 13 pounds in 6 weeks and have dropped my blood sugar levels to almost normal and have been taken off my diabetic meds. Other biomarkers have improved, too. There is a lot of evidenced-based information available on www.dietdoctor.com, also.2
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An eye opener for me was reading "The Big FAT Surprise" by Nina Teicholz. After nine years of investigation, she reveals "the unthinkable: everything we've been told about fat is wrong." According to her research, ever since the government adopted the low fat, high carbohydrate recommendations, obesity and type 2 diabetes have increased steadily along with sugar consumption to where the average sugar consumption in America is well over 150# per year. Personally, since I have adopted a low carb (<30 grams a day) high fat and moderate protein I have lost 13 pounds in 6 weeks and have dropped my blood sugar levels to almost normal and have been taken off my diabetic meds. Other biomarkers have improved, too. There is a lot of evidenced-based information available on www.dietdoctor.com, also.
Please read further back in this thread.1 -
Sorry, no. I don't eat raw or partially raw meat.
I haven't eaten a burger less than well done since I read 'Toxin' by Robin Cook. ::noway::
Steaks I can do, but not ground meat. Even when I grind the meat myself I still get weirded out.2 -
I don't have a gallbladder and have a hard time processing fat, so while full fat is definitely yummier it's not something I can have. I do occasionally risk a full fat yoghurt or fattier meat but it normally leads to a lot of pain and extended visit to the toilet.0
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I read this thread a while ago but forget most of it
Just thought I'd weigh in. Fat doesn't satiate me and tends to give me heartburn. I have familial hypercholesterolemia and need to keep a low fat, low cholesterol diet to control it.
At any rate, the most satiating diet for me involves plenty of protein, starch, and fiber. That leaves little room for fat, and that is fine by me. I do supplement EFA's with a vegan supplement because my normal dietary intake is so low (usually around 20-25 grams or so of fat a day).
I'm not a big cheese eater, but I do eat a lot of yogurt and cottage cheese. The low fat varieties of those taste pretty much the same to me as their fattier versions.
When I eat eggs, I eat 1 whole egg supplemented with extra whites.
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The one rule I was taught in my weight loss journey from Dr. Mark Hyman was "Fat don't make you fat, sugar makes you fat."4
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EthanPierre wrote: »The one rule I was taught in my weight loss journey from Dr. Mark Hyman was "Fat don't make you fat, sugar makes you fat."
Neither make you fat. Overconsumption makes you fat.8 -
EthanPierre wrote: »The one rule I was taught in my weight loss journey from Dr. Mark Hyman was "Fat don't make you fat, sugar makes you fat."
It's neither or both in and of themselves.
It's excess calories.4 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »EthanPierre wrote: »The one rule I was taught in my weight loss journey from Dr. Mark Hyman was "Fat don't make you fat, sugar makes you fat."
It's neither or both in and of themselves.
It's excess calories.
Exactly.
And the low vs. high fat question comes down to what you like, goals, macros, and what else you eat. Fage 2% tastes as good to me as Fage total, has fewer calories, more protein, same carbs. Eating Fage 2% thus gives me more room for cheese.1 -
EthanPierre wrote: »The one rule I was taught in my weight loss journey from Dr. Mark Hyman was "Fat don't make you fat, sugar makes you fat."
And he would be wrong. Arguing one dogma with another is poor advice. Calories make us fat.4 -
So, if I'm on a weight loss regimen of exercise and 1,700 calories a day and I eat 2,700 calories of just lean protein and green vegetables while leaving out anything with processed sugar I'm going to get fat? My point is processed sugar is bad for our bodies and there's no denying that fact.3
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EthanPierre wrote: »So, if I'm on a weight loss regimen of exercise and 1,700 calories a day and I eat 2,700 calories of just lean protein and green vegetables while leaving out anything with processed sugar I'm going to get fat? My point is processed sugar is bad for our bodies and there's no denying that fact.
If 2700 is over your maintenance calories and you do it repeatedly, then yes, you'll get fat. What's that got to do with processed sugar?4 -
EthanPierre wrote: »So, if I'm on a weight loss regimen of exercise and 1,700 calories a day and I eat 2,700 calories of just lean protein and green vegetables while leaving out anything with processed sugar I'm going to get fat? My point is processed sugar is bad for our bodies and there's no denying that fact.
If your maintenance levels are 2700 and you eat more than 2700, than you will gain weight regardless of macronutrient composition. Conversely, if your maintenance is 2700 and you eat a high sugar diet of 1900 calories, you will still lose.
But semantically, sugar will not convert to fat as easily as dietary fat. Its just more metabolically taxing. Sugar/carbs are more likely to be broken down into glycogen or burned off for immediate energistic needs.
Ultimately, energy balance is what determines weight control. Foods influence other things like satiety, energy and etc...
If you want to see what can happen under controlled studies, id recommend looking are some of the work from Kevin Hall.6 -
EthanPierre wrote: »So, if I'm on a weight loss regimen of exercise and 1,700 calories a day and I eat 2,700 calories of just lean protein and green vegetables while leaving out anything with processed sugar I'm going to get fat?
Is your maintenance below or above 2700 -- that's the question. The reason people are generally not going to "get fat" on a diet of only lean meat and green vegetables (interesting that you are picking a diet that is extremely low fat here) is that it's HARD for most people to eat above their maintenance calories on that, unless you start including butter and oil to cook with, less lean meats, starchier veg, sauces, etc. Not impossible, I'm sure some could. But most likely would not be able to do so. What they might find is that they miss more variety and so are more likely to have a high cal day because they go off plan, figure they blew it anyway, since they had a cookie or a potato or some cheese or whatever, and since the day/diet is ruined anyway, go nuts. You have to figure out if this is going to be a bigger issue or if controlling calories on a more indulgent/varied/flexible diet would be, I suppose.My point is processed sugar is bad for our bodies and there's no denying that fact.
The two statements have nothing to do with each other. Nor do they seem to have much to do with high fat vs. low fat. Again, classic example of high fat vs. low fat is dairy. No "processed" sugar is even involved.3 -
Also, whether or not sugar is good for you is based on context, not different than SFA and other things. Its not bad if you aren't esting too much of it and its not crowding out other more important nutrients, such as protein. Overall, it should be limited so you can get more important nutrients but some added sugar can be beneficial for you, especially if you need quick energy or for enjoyment which is also an important part of weight loss.1
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Everything effects everybody differently so I have heard. I choose full fat 1
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I prefer full fat products. Things like mayonnaise, cottage cheese, peanut butter, sour cream, and so on. Why? Low fat products has to compensate for the reduced "low fat" content by increasing sugar. Companies do this so their products doesn't taste bad. https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/truth-about-low-fat-foods0
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I prefer full fat products. Things like mayonnaise, cottage cheese, peanut butter, sour cream, and so on. Why? Low fat products has to compensate for the reduced "low fat" content by increasing sugar. Companies do this so their products doesn't taste bad. https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/howto/guide/truth-about-low-fat-foods
Low fat dairy doesn't generally have added sugar..4
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