so hungryyyyyyyyyyy
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Thank you, victorious. I could not have said it better. May be we should look into grenlin too. May be that is one step too far for many.
The endocrine system is like a series of interconnected cogs. Some turn faster or even slowere than others making different products contributing to the whole. Each influences the other requesting more or less of something. Finding the right point at which to intervene is key. General medicine seemst to think they have one big answere, a big pharma pill which fills the gap but does not necessarily rectify the primary problem and may well introduce many more problems, because they do not see the body as a whole. Its like saying the carburettor has no effect on the car. Or a car will start when the spark permeates the distributor cap. (Had some good jokes about that one).
The body is one unit. Since we set out on our species development we have incorporated many microbes and other things into our system for our benefit. Each of these things has its place, without them we suffer so we incorporated more to protect the originals ones and develop the processes. At the business end of our lungs in our alveoli, breathing sacks, we have a tiny "fungus" I think it was, may have been a mould. This cell takes oxygen from the air into our bodies. (This is one of my principal problems, Our air like food contains salicylates used by flowers and other part of plants to protect themselves from moulds and mildews, my oxygen providing cells did not have the back up to protect these cells, so I would have breathing difficulties and nausea. no I was not asthmatic.)
We have lungs which can't function without the heart pushing blood round the body, to and from the lungs, taking the oxygenated blood to each cell and returning the deoxygenated blood to the lungs. They do something very fancy in the superior and inferior venacave(sp) (I'm no doctor, just a person who wants good health)
I am sure you will all agree nothing works without food. if the digestive tract is damaged, the body absorbs over sized particles which can be mistaken for our own cells, introduce inflammation and generally run a muck even damaging our mitochondria among other things. If the liver and Gaul bladder do not interact properly the bile thickens, toxins produced by the function of each cell which should be eliminated effectively are not causing health issues and the acidity of the stomach is not maintained as adequately as necessary to keep the whole system functioning properly. Too little acid permits food to ferment causing indigestion.
The digestive tract, for all it passes through us is actually external to our bodies. The only substances which should pass into us should be the most minute of sugars, even proteins etc, otherwise we end up with a myriad of health issues which the medical profession treat as one off happenings when they are caused by series of interrelated issues. The greater the number of issues the greater the problem is to fix, Cutting a problem out is not always the best option it can make more of a problem.
For instance. When a woman is subjected to a hysterectomy and the ovaries are removed for heavy periods the system for recovering iodine from the body after the t4 have become t3 is lost. The ovaries make t2. (sorry I do not know the male equivalent, it would seem as if it should be the testis but because the male and female body perform different reproductive functions the other functions can be different.) Women's is more dependant on a well functioning endocrine system with adequate t3 than the man a ratio of 8 women to 1 man. Most women are condemned to painful menstruation but when t3 is at an effective level for her she should hardly know she has one. Women's health, work life, is more often compromised by endocrine related problems than the male.
Discrimination? as if that could ever happen.0 -
Hi victoriousbeauty.
I would recommend getting "casein protein powder". It is thick and takes time to digest so it should help curb the appetite from acting up. Also protein is your best friend in general during weight loss. Try to keep carbs from being too excessive and keep fats and especially protein high. Both of these will keep you feeling a little more satisfied. I try to keep my protein at about 180g daily. At least 120+g for me at the least.
Casein is great though definitely look into it.0 -
NOTHING WRONG WITH GMO FOODS!!2
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Grehlin. It's grehlin.
My hungry OP, it seems your extensive knowledge of your peculiar health restrictions makes it impossible for anyone to help you.
It would help if there were at least a short list of foods you do tolerate.5 -
coryfisher180 wrote: »Hi victoriousbeauty.
I would recommend getting "casein protein powder". It is thick and takes time to digest so it should help curb the appetite from acting up. Also protein is your best friend in general during weight loss. Try to keep carbs from being too excessive and keep fats and especially protein high. Both of these will keep you feeling a little more satisfied. I try to keep my protein at about 180g daily. At least 120+g for me at the least.
Casein is great though definitely look into it.
WOW thats a lot of protein, hope you are a tall person, I aim over 100 to 160 but, not sorted onto plan yet waiting until next Sunday or maybe longer if memorial service doesnt happen next Friday Thank you for your reply
God bless you
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Some people react to casein, its more common than lactose intolerance. just a thought especially if someone reacts to milk.0
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I'm a big fan of healthy and beautiful lifestyle and often go to different clinics and detox centers here in Europe.
Here's my summary:
My shrink told me that we have more of a emotional connection to food then physical. Your body didn't need all that food you ate to gain weight. It was your mind. So that hunger you feel now is not physical yet emotional, you just need to distinguish if you're really hungry or not. People get fat because of overeating (95%) so it's important to eat to feed your body, not your mental problems. We often eat when we are not hungry but bored, stressed, because it's time to eat, with friends and family, watching tv, and etc.
When I feel the need to eat, I go through several steps:
- I ask myself if it's real hunger or fake one. Am I hungry or am I bored? Am I hungry or is it because everyone is eating now? Am I that hungry that I'd eat something very healthy like lots of fresh carrots and broccoli? Or do I want that particular pizza with ice cream as a dessert?
- I drink water. It usually helps to calm my stomach.
- I try to change my mind and think about something else.
- I massage accupancture spots to calm my hunger (you can find them online) but I have a piercing in one particular spot that I massage. Not sure if it really helps or if it's self assurance.
If it doesn't help and I'm really hungry:
- I plan my food and write it down in my diary.
- Preferably choose the food big on portions and smaller in calories like cabbage salad with olive oil with an egg or tuna
- I really chew my food, 25-30 times each piece. I learnt it in an Austrian clinic Mayr, chewing your food is the biggest step in healthy digestion. And healthy gut means healthy body.
Hope this helps.
And yes. Don't stress about it. It's just food, not the purpose of your life.0 -
Please look at my diary. I eat slightly more per day than you're trying to, but I am SO full after each meal I almost never entirely finish and getting high enough protein is what got me here. Obviously you don't need to eat the same foods but maybe increasing protein would help you. And remember it's only day one... The first few WEEKS are difficult when you're making changes. Also you could try a more moderate approach, even without being able to exercise you will drop plenty if you just alter your habits that got you where you are. Pick one or two small changes to make rather than a huge calorie cut because another poster was correct, at your size you could be eating lots more and still be in a position to lose weight.0
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VictoriousBeauty wrote: »thats the calories I have been awarded based on my weight, and I am pretty immobile due to disability Have no exercise in life at the moment so no exercise calores to eat
I thought my diary was open? if not will see if I can figure out how
ah if only I could afford a steak lol
xoxox
Go back to your user settings and adjust your goal to (today's weight - 20). That will give you a higher calorie target.0 -
I'm a big fan of healthy and beautiful lifestyle and often go to different clinics and detox centers here in Europe.
Here's my summary:
My shrink told me that we have more of a emotional connection to food then physical. Your body didn't need all that food you ate to gain weight. It was your mind. So that hunger you feel now is not physical yet emotional, you just need to distinguish if you're really hungry or not. People get fat because of overeating (95%) so it's important to eat to feed your body, not your mental problems. We often eat when we are not hungry but bored, stressed, because it's time to eat, with friends and family, watching tv, and etc.
When I feel the need to eat, I go through several steps:
- I ask myself if it's real hunger or fake one. Am I hungry or am I bored? Am I hungry or is it because everyone is eating now? Am I that hungry that I'd eat something very healthy like lots of fresh carrots and broccoli? Or do I want that particular pizza with ice cream as a dessert?
- I drink water. It usually helps to calm my stomach.
- I try to change my mind and think about something else.
- I massage accupancture spots to calm my hunger (you can find them online) but I have a piercing in one particular spot that I massage. Not sure if it really helps or if it's self assurance.
If it doesn't help and I'm really hungry:
- I plan my food and write it down in my diary.
- Preferably choose the food big on portions and smaller in calories like cabbage salad with olive oil with an egg or tuna
- I really chew my food, 25-30 times each piece. I learnt it in an Austrian clinic Mayr, chewing your food is the biggest step in healthy digestion. And healthy gut means healthy body.
Hope this helps.
And yes. Don't stress about it. It's just food, not the purpose of your life.
Thank you for your reply. Agree with majority of what you have shared, only one issue that is slightly out of my control is when I eat most days as carers provide my meals however, the tweaking of portions I am trying to educate them that although they are slim, I do not need the same portion as I am immobile most of the day and they are active, they are slowly accepting that however, they are not responsible for my emotional eating when exhausted, stressed, tired, frustrated which is a lot of my life right now, that is once I have the macros sorted what I need to work on! Hence the real work begins once I return from my sisters funeral
God bless you
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Just wanted to check in and see how you are doing...0
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VictoriousBeauty wrote: »changed food diary to public, it was set to friends only sorry
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Have you closed the diary again? I can't access it.0 -
VictoriousBeauty wrote: »I have been to several dietitians but, they all discharge me on second or third appt as they dont know how to cope with mcad
I tried 2000 calories and was not losing so dropped to what it says I am meant to have a day, well am 12 calories over at 1480 calories today
my food budget is £25 a week so have to use wisdom in shopping
I cant eat eggs allergic, cant eat dairy either, beans and pulses are too high in carbs so spike my sugars and nuts upset me if I eat more than a few every few days so mostly be vegetables, hoping quinoa be ok, but bad stomach pains tonight but hoping thats not from quinoa for first time
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I see from your budget currency, you must be British. Is there still a good free Health Service there? Based on your stated health constraints, you absolutely need to be managed by professionals, and those dietitians can't just dump you like that. Accurate diagnosis by a good doctor, working in conjunction with an appropriate dietitian, is necessary for you to get this right.0 -
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VictoriousBeauty wrote: »changed food diary to public, it was set to friends only sorry
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Have you closed the diary again? I can't access it.
Yes, I closed it to friends again, didnt feel comfortable it being open
God bless you
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VictoriousBeauty wrote: »I have been to several dietitians but, they all discharge me on second or third appt as they dont know how to cope with mcad
I tried 2000 calories and was not losing so dropped to what it says I am meant to have a day, well am 12 calories over at 1480 calories today
my food budget is £25 a week so have to use wisdom in shopping
I cant eat eggs allergic, cant eat dairy either, beans and pulses are too high in carbs so spike my sugars and nuts upset me if I eat more than a few every few days so mostly be vegetables, hoping quinoa be ok, but bad stomach pains tonight but hoping thats not from quinoa for first time
xoxox
I see from your budget currency, you must be British. Is there still a good free Health Service there? Based on your stated health constraints, you absolutely need to be managed by professionals, and those dietitians can't just dump you like that. Accurate diagnosis by a good doctor, working in conjunction with an appropriate dietitian, is necessary for you to get this right.
Yes, I am in UK, the NHS is poorly positioned to help as I have several rare ish health conditions with complications, they are struggling to meet health issues a lot right now, many are not being referred as the NHS is struggling to meet the needs of the nation. Sadly nothing much they can do at this point, yes a dietitian can dump you like that, they have a limited time with each patient so, if they feel they cannot help they discharge you, most have six appts to teach you then discharge you but, if they feel they cant help they just dump you earlier, didnt know that until recently when a friend who is an Speech Therapist explained thats how the system works on the whole. There are obesity clinics which I am waiting to be assessed for but, again been through that once so if they read my notes they may decide not to take me on as I have technically had the help despite them saying they couldnt get me accepted onto the team whose help I needed as didnt quite fit in the box correctly grrr usual thing Too individual for help! I have an accurate diagnosis, the dietitians sadly seem to be trained in a set mantra which does not allow them to think and act on their own initiative sadly
Lets hope next referral is more productive and successful, I shall keep trying doors until all options are exhausted
God bless you
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I agree, the National Health system is stretched. Many in authority here are saying, the NHS is at the point of collapse particularly over the winter.
I totally agree one has to fit into one of the boxes provided in order to achieve NHS help. The system is compartmentalised though the body is complicated, systems interact with each other and are not disparate parts.
If someone is able to see two specialist, common ground, common causes are not sought. Treatment is then fragmented and often does not take account of every aspect of the persons needs.
Very best wishes for your next appointment. Hope this one has some answers and specific guidance for you.1 -
I agree, the National Health system is stretched. Many in authority here are saying, the NHS is at the point of collapse particularly over the winter.
I totally agree one has to fit into one of the boxes provided in order to achieve NHS help. The system is compartmentalised though the body is complicated, systems interact with each other and are not disparate parts.
If someone is able to see two specialist, common ground, common causes are not sought. Treatment is then fragmented and often does not take account of every aspect of the persons needs.
Very best wishes for your next appointment. Hope this one has some answers and specific guidance for you.
Thank you for your reply
Completely, can live in hope that tomorrows appt will be different, time will tell
God bless you
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maybe some of this will help you:
http://www.histamineintolerance.org.uk/about/the-food-diary/the-food-list/
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Protein and fiber has been my best friend. I use fiber in my morning coffee. And it helps me stay fuller longer0
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I too think it would help alot if you could list out what foods you can eat, and what your body does tolerate?
A few months ago my husband and I were eating basically only organic meat, veggies and fruit, and on a very tight budget because we were both in school and looking for jobs. If you could list what you can eat, we could possibly help you figure out some meals?
Also your carers, they prepare your meals? Are they aware that you need to lose weight in order to have your surgery? Is there any way you can prepare you own meals? Maybe find 4-5 meals your body can tolerate and just alternate those recipes? It may get boring but it could help alot0 -
maybe some of this will help you:
http://www.histamineintolerance.org.uk/about/the-food-diary/the-food-list/
Thank you for your reply. That is a good site, I have downloaded a completed list of foods with a high to negligible risk factor beside each food, was hoping it would mean I might widen my food list, sadly not!
God bless you
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camelgirlmn wrote: »Protein and fiber has been my best friend. I use fiber in my morning coffee. And it helps me stay fuller longer
Thank you for your reply. What do you mean by you use fibre in your coffee, what type of fibre? Thank you
God bless you
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Inulin powder is a good fibre to drink, makes me feel too full though. I struggle to eat for hours later with it.
Have you started your walking training yet?0 -
laurenebargar wrote: »I too think it would help alot if you could list out what foods you can eat, and what your body does tolerate?
A few months ago my husband and I were eating basically only organic meat, veggies and fruit, and on a very tight budget because we were both in school and looking for jobs. If you could list what you can eat, we could possibly help you figure out some meals?
Also your carers, they prepare your meals? Are they aware that you need to lose weight in order to have your surgery? Is there any way you can prepare you own meals? Maybe find 4-5 meals your body can tolerate and just alternate those recipes? It may get boring but it could help alot
Thank you for your reply.
Yes, will post the list below of foods definitely okay to eat, however, am using antihistamines right now whilst I figure it out!
Carers make my food because I cannot, so no there is no way for me to make them however, they know I need to lose weight, I tell them to think of what they need, and half it, or even a third when it comes to starchy vegetables.
Foods I am okay on:
Blueberries
carrots
celery (half a stick max per meal)
courgette/zucchini
pumpkin
spinach
sweet potato
all squashes
ginger
?swede/rutabaga (still to be tested)
Lamb
Beef
Game
White fish
Homemade bone broth (using bones from meat above)
raw honey (maximum 1 tbs a day)
?sprouted flax seeds (still to be tested)
?sprouted chia seeds (still to be tested)
?raw goats milk (still to be sourced affordably, and tested)
?goats milk yogurt (still to be sourced affordably, and tested)
thats my list
God bless you
xoxox
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Would it be possible to eat more often, in smaller amounts? That might allow you to eat some things such as beans and pulses and still keep your bg steady.
Also, any activity you can manage will help - ten minutes of moving your arms in the air is better than no exercise at all, and as you do more you will be able to do more. Anything that gets your heart rate up will help. Maybe some yoga arm exercises?0 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Would it be possible to eat more often, in smaller amounts? That might allow you to eat some things such as beans and pulses and still keep your bg steady.
Also, any activity you can manage will help - ten minutes of moving your arms in the air is better than no exercise at all, and as you do more you will be able to do more. Anything that gets your heart rate up will help. Maybe some yoga arm exercises?
Thanks for your reply
I eat mostly days 4 time, which is often enough, I cant eat beans and pulses as I cant digest them
I move as much as I can, wouldnt risk moving arms in air as would dislocate shoulders etc Only exercise potentially ok is in water
God bless you
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VictoriousBeauty wrote: »laurenebargar wrote: »I too think it would help alot if you could list out what foods you can eat, and what your body does tolerate?
A few months ago my husband and I were eating basically only organic meat, veggies and fruit, and on a very tight budget because we were both in school and looking for jobs. If you could list what you can eat, we could possibly help you figure out some meals?
Also your carers, they prepare your meals? Are they aware that you need to lose weight in order to have your surgery? Is there any way you can prepare you own meals? Maybe find 4-5 meals your body can tolerate and just alternate those recipes? It may get boring but it could help alot
Thank you for your reply.
Yes, will post the list below of foods definitely okay to eat, however, am using antihistamines right now whilst I figure it out!
Carers make my food because I cannot, so no there is no way for me to make them however, they know I need to lose weight, I tell them to think of what they need, and half it, or even a third when it comes to starchy vegetables.
Foods I am okay on:
Blueberries
carrots
celery (half a stick max per meal)
courgette/zucchini
pumpkin
spinach
sweet potato
all squashes
ginger
?swede/rutabaga (still to be tested)
Lamb
Beef
Game
White fish
Homemade bone broth (using bones from meat above)
raw honey (maximum 1 tbs a day)
?sprouted flax seeds (still to be tested)
?sprouted chia seeds (still to be tested)
?raw goats milk (still to be sourced affordably, and tested)
?goats milk yogurt (still to be sourced affordably, and tested)
thats my list
God bless you
xoxox
This is a pretty good list to start from. I use carrots very often to bulk out my meals (I like to roast them with parsley, if you can tolerate the herb). They are very inexpensive and easy to get where I live. My lunches this week are "steak and sweet potato fajitas", but that's just julienned sweet potatoes (150-200g) (I also use onions and bell peppers, but you may be intolerant) and thinly sliced beef (~100g). Pumpkins, and other squashes like kabocha and acorn are very tasty roasted, and served alongside a protein. Very low calories for the bulk. Blueberries and spinach make a delicious salad (once you test goat's milk, perhaps add goat cheese, if you can have it) and it doesn't even need a dressing (to me).
Hope that some of these ideas help you. Best of luck!0 -
Thanks, list isnt too horrendous, I cant eat raw foods except fruit, no herbs really, onions and bell peppers definitely a no, meat I tend to use about 150 grams, and I cant have more than 100 grams of starchy veg so either squash, or carrots, or sweet potato per meal else my blood sugars go wild, although this week they went wild on that so might have to take the portion down further Time will tell Oh cant afford the goats milk as delivery is £8 which makes it prohibitive
God bless you
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