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I repeat, check out DR Jason Fung. He addresses all of these issues at length and then some. Cheers0
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I repeat, check out DR Jason Fung. He addresses all of these issues at length and then some. Cheers
I have told you that I read his book and I've read many of his articles (as well as some of his horrible fat shaming comments posted on social media). I also know what his profession is other than promoting fasting.
Here's the thing, when it comes to learning about topics it only serves us to read contradicting studies to get a full view of the topic. I was hugely into a few very specific things when I started losing weight. I KNEW they were the way because I had studied them. Then I was shown information that contradicted what I knew. I kept reading. I still read all about methods I don't use and I read studies that show my methods aren't necessarily the best.
You know what matters the most in all of this? Energy balance and adherence.12 -
So what are you saying?0
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I repeat, check out DR Jason Fung. He addresses all of these issues at length and then some. Cheers
I have told you that I read his book and I've read many of his articles (as well as some of his horrible fat shaming comments posted on social media). I also know what his profession is other than promoting fasting.
Here's the thing, when it comes to learning about topics it only serves us to read contradicting studies to get a full view of the topic. I was hugely into a few very specific things when I started losing weight. I KNEW they were the way because I had studied them. Then I was shown information that contradicted what I knew. I kept reading. I still read all about methods I don't use and I read studies that show my methods aren't necessarily the best.
You know what matters the most in all of this? Energy balance and adherence.
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And there are still so many other physiological mechanisms not in play in that scenario as well.
Such as what? You keep throwing out the vague term of physiological mechanisms. What specifically does the body do during the fasted state that would negate overeating by hundreds of calories?
I'm also going to quote this question because you keep bringing it up and it's time for you to provide specific examples. You made the claim that overeating doesn't matter if you fast, you back it up. Telling me to research it says you really don't understand the claim or physiology.3 -
What are you saying? He is a repugnant person? I don't know him. His methods, he didn't invent fasting. Are you suggesting that numerous independent study's from are balderdash? I'm confused as to you meaning. Clarify please.I repeat, check out DR Jason Fung. He addresses all of these issues at length and then some. Cheers
I have told you that I read his book and I've read many of his articles (as well as some of his horrible fat shaming comments posted on social media). I also know what his profession is other than promoting fasting.
Here's the thing, when it comes to learning about topics it only serves us to read contradicting studies to get a full view of the topic. I was hugely into a few very specific things when I started losing weight. I KNEW they were the way because I had studied them. Then I was shown information that contradicted what I knew. I kept reading. I still read all about methods I don't use and I read studies that show my methods aren't necessarily the best.
You know what matters the most in all of this? Energy balance and adherence.
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This debate/quarrel between posters 7268894 and usmcmp got me looking online ... and I usually start with Google ... where I got a link to this site ...
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com
It's the blog site for this nephrologist Dr Jason Fung ...
There is interesting stuff out there. Having a relative with damaged kidneys from Diabetes, I think I'll look into this stuff more closely.
PS ... Oh yes, he is the 'diet doctor' under debate here. I also noticed he has a lot of YouTube uploads out there as well, and wrote a book. .... taking the book with a big 'grain of salt'.1 -
Ah, I agree. We should all challenge our beliefs and eliminate bias as well. By the way, a. Liam is an assertion of truth without proof. Now, if , being that you restrict the conversation to just one person, dr fung, he provides ample independent proof that fasting works. I also restrict lengthy explanation for the sake of brevity.0 -
This debate/quarrel between posters 7268894 and usmcmp got me looking online ... and I usually start with Google ... where I got a link to this site ...
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com
It's the blog site for this nephrologist Dr Jason Fung ...
There is interesting stuff out there. Having a relative with damaged kidneys from Diabetes, I think I'll look into this stuff more closely.
PS ... Oh yes, he is the 'diet doctor' under debate here. I also noticed he has a lot of YouTube uploads out there as well, and wrote a book. .... taking the book with a big 'grain of salt'.
Please do. My wife cares for a Disney man with type 2 diabetic condition. He, with supervision of his doctor has thus far managed to reduce his insulin requirements. For all intensive purposes, he reversing his condition with fasting!!!!!!0 -
Ah, I agree. We should all challenge our beliefs and eliminate bias as well. By the way, a. Liam is an assertion of truth without proof. Now, if , being that you restrict the conversation to just one person, dr fung, he provides ample independent proof that fasting works. I also restrict lengthy explanation for the sake of brevity.
But why would you restrict your research or a conversation to one person? That's not eliminating biases or challenging your belief. I've read his stuff. I was genuinely interesting in the benefits when I read it.
You still haven't responded to most of my questions except with vague replies. It's fine if you don't know or don't understand the concepts, you can admit that. Telling me to go research is trying to shift the burden of proof when you were the one making claims.4 -
Dr (used loosely) Fung is a certified quack. Sorry Mr. Numbers.8
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Dr (used loosely) Fung is a certified quack. Sorry Mr. Numbers.
Please tell me where the certification for quack came from? I thought he was a liscensced doctor to treat kidney diseases and that his work in this field was the spring board for his weightloss conclusions.
Please tell me where the quack certification is so I can google it.2 -
Hmmm, how to respond to sarcasm, a
Ah, I agree. We should all challenge our beliefs and eliminate bias as well. By the way, a. Liam is an assertion of truth without proof. Now, if , being that you restrict the conversation to just one person, dr fung, he provides ample independent proof that fasting works. I also restrict lengthy explanation for the sake of brevity.
But why would you restrict your research or a conversation to one person? That's not eliminating anything.
You still haven't responded to most of my questions except with vague replies. It's fine if you don't know or don't understand the concepts, you can admit that. Telling me to go research is trying to shift the burden of proof when you were the one making claims.
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This debate/quarrel between posters 7268894 and usmcmp got me looking online ... and I usually start with Google ... where I got a link to this site ...
https://intensivedietarymanagement.com
It's the blog site for this nephrologist Dr Jason Fung ...
There is interesting stuff out there. Having a relative with damaged kidneys from Diabetes, I think I'll look into this stuff more closely.
PS ... Oh yes, he is the 'diet doctor' under debate here. I also noticed he has a lot of YouTube uploads out there as well, and wrote a book. .... taking the book with a big 'grain of salt'.
Please do. My wife cares for a Disney man with type 2 diabetic condition. He, with supervision of his doctor has thus far managed to reduce his insulin requirements. For all intensive purposes, he reversing his condition with fasting!!!!!!
I'm not sure what a Disney man is, but reduced insulin requirements can be done through weight loss and controlling one's dietary intake. I haven't extensively studied Fung's work, but from what I have read, he is simply putting the cart before the ox, and having the ox push the cart, rather than pull it.5 -
What questions? Shall we talk or are you at that point where name calling would suit you best?Hmmm, how to respond to sarcasm, a
Ah, I agree. We should all challenge our beliefs and eliminate bias as well. By the way, a. Liam is an assertion of truth without proof. Now, if , being that you restrict the conversation to just one person, dr fung, he provides ample independent proof that fasting works. I also restrict lengthy explanation for the sake of brevity.
But why would you restrict your research or a conversation to one person? That's not eliminating anything.
You still haven't responded to most of my questions except with vague replies. It's fine if you don't know or don't understand the concepts, you can admit that. Telling me to go research is trying to shift the burden of proof when you were the one making claims.0 -
Hmmm, how to respond to sarcasm, a
Ah, I agree. We should all challenge our beliefs and eliminate bias as well. By the way, a. Liam is an assertion of truth without proof. Now, if , being that you restrict the conversation to just one person, dr fung, he provides ample independent proof that fasting works. I also restrict lengthy explanation for the sake of brevity.
But why would you restrict your research or a conversation to one person? That's not eliminating anything.
You still haven't responded to most of my questions except with vague replies. It's fine if you don't know or don't understand the concepts, you can admit that. Telling me to go research is trying to shift the burden of proof when you were the one making claims.
That wasn't intended to be sarcasm. You were discussing eliminating biases and then immediate said to only look at Jason Fung's information. I edited my prior post to make it more clear.2 -
I am game either way.0
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Dr (used loosely) Fung is a certified quack. Sorry Mr. Numbers.
Please tell me where the certification for quack came from? I thought he was a liscensced doctor to treat kidney diseases and that his work in this field was the spring board for his weightloss conclusions.
Please tell me where the quack certification is so I can google it.
He spews quackery...That makes him a quack.2 -
What questions? Shall we talk or are you at that point where name calling would suit you best?Hmmm, how to respond to sarcasm, a
Ah, I agree. We should all challenge our beliefs and eliminate bias as well. By the way, a. Liam is an assertion of truth without proof. Now, if , being that you restrict the conversation to just one person, dr fung, he provides ample independent proof that fasting works. I also restrict lengthy explanation for the sake of brevity.
But why would you restrict your research or a conversation to one person? That's not eliminating anything.
You still haven't responded to most of my questions except with vague replies. It's fine if you don't know or don't understand the concepts, you can admit that. Telling me to go research is trying to shift the burden of proof when you were the one making claims.
You want me to name call or you are going to call me names?
Here is the question again:You keep throwing out the vague term of physiological mechanisms. What specifically does the body do during the fasted state that would negate overeating by hundreds of calories?2 -
What questions? Shall we talk or are you at that point where name calling would suit you best?Hmmm, how to respond to sarcasm, a
Ah, I agree. We should all challenge our beliefs and eliminate bias as well. By the way, a. Liam is an assertion of truth without proof. Now, if , being that you restrict the conversation to just one person, dr fung, he provides ample independent proof that fasting works. I also restrict lengthy explanation for the sake of brevity.
But why would you restrict your research or a conversation to one person? That's not eliminating anything.
You still haven't responded to most of my questions except with vague replies. It's fine if you don't know or don't understand the concepts, you can admit that. Telling me to go research is trying to shift the burden of proof when you were the one making claims.
You want me to name call or you are going to call me names?
Here is the question again:You keep throwing out the vague term of physiological mechanisms. What specifically does the body do during the fasted state that would negate overeating by hundreds of calories?
Question, do you assume that all calories are equal? To say that the body treats them all the same?0 -
Dr (used loosely) Fung is a certified quack. Sorry Mr. Numbers.
Please tell me where the certification for quack came from? I thought he was a liscensced doctor to treat kidney diseases and that his work in this field was the spring board for his weightloss conclusions.
Please tell me where the quack certification is so I can google it.
stating that you can cure diabetes(you reverse it not cure it) and can cure people with kidney failure(not to be confused with kidney disease that may be reversed) to me yells quack. sure he works with kidney issues,doesnt make him an exert in weight loss,heck if thats the case then I could get my advice from a podiatrist on weight loss.most drs dont get enough training when it comes to dietary needs,nutrition and so on, thats why there are registered dietitians, or doctors who also hold those degrees2 -
What questions? Shall we talk or are you at that point where name calling would suit you best?Hmmm, how to respond to sarcasm, a
Ah, I agree. We should all challenge our beliefs and eliminate bias as well. By the way, a. Liam is an assertion of truth without proof. Now, if , being that you restrict the conversation to just one person, dr fung, he provides ample independent proof that fasting works. I also restrict lengthy explanation for the sake of brevity.
But why would you restrict your research or a conversation to one person? That's not eliminating anything.
You still haven't responded to most of my questions except with vague replies. It's fine if you don't know or don't understand the concepts, you can admit that. Telling me to go research is trying to shift the burden of proof when you were the one making claims.
You want me to name call or you are going to call me names?
Here is the question again:You keep throwing out the vague term of physiological mechanisms. What specifically does the body do during the fasted state that would negate overeating by hundreds of calories?
Question, do you assume that all calories are equal? To say that the body treats them all the same?
You answer mine first since I've been asking for a couple of pages now and I will gladly answer yours.3 -
I have an opinion .... All calories cannot be the same because they are simply a unit of measurement for energy and not a macronutrient which is the delivery agent of that energy. Therefore and however ,,,, the body treats all calories the same way, but the macronutrients that make up that energy source are utiltized differently by that magic machine, the body. .... "A calorie is a calorie ... but a bun is not a burger"3
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CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Dr (used loosely) Fung is a certified quack. Sorry Mr. Numbers.
Please tell me where the certification for quack came from? I thought he was a liscensced doctor to treat kidney diseases and that his work in this field was the spring board for his weightloss conclusions.
Please tell me where the quack certification is so I can google it.
stating that you can cure diabetes(you reverse it not cure it) and can cure people with kidney failure(not to be confused with kidney disease that may be reversed) to me yells quack. sure he works with kidney issues,doesnt make him an exert in weight loss,heck if thats the case then I could get my advice from a podiatrist on weight loss.most drs dont get enough training when it comes to dietary needs,nutrition and so on, thats why there are registered dietitians, or doctors who also hold those degreesCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Dr (used loosely) Fung is a certified quack. Sorry Mr. Numbers.
Please tell me where the certification for quack came from? I thought he was a liscensced doctor to treat kidney diseases and that his work in this field was the spring board for his weightloss conclusions.
Please tell me where the quack certification is so I can google it.
stating that you can cure diabetes(you reverse it not cure it) and can cure people with kidney failure(not to be confused with kidney disease that may be reversed) to me yells quack. sure he works with kidney issues,doesnt make him an exert in weight loss,heck if thats the case then I could get my advice from a podiatrist on weight loss.most drs dont get enough training when it comes to dietary needs,nutrition and so on, thats why there are registered dietitians, or doctors who also hold those degrees
Kidney damage is irreversible. Define cure of diabetes. To say the absence of a condition that no long requires medical intervention, does this suffice? If so I say cure.0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Dr (used loosely) Fung is a certified quack. Sorry Mr. Numbers.
Please tell me where the certification for quack came from? I thought he was a liscensced doctor to treat kidney diseases and that his work in this field was the spring board for his weightloss conclusions.
Please tell me where the quack certification is so I can google it.
stating that you can cure diabetes(you reverse it not cure it) and can cure people with kidney failure(not to be confused with kidney disease that may be reversed) to me yells quack. sure he works with kidney issues,doesnt make him an exert in weight loss,heck if thats the case then I could get my advice from a podiatrist on weight loss.most drs dont get enough training when it comes to dietary needs,nutrition and so on, thats why there are registered dietitians, or doctors who also hold those degreesCharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »Dr (used loosely) Fung is a certified quack. Sorry Mr. Numbers.
Please tell me where the certification for quack came from? I thought he was a liscensced doctor to treat kidney diseases and that his work in this field was the spring board for his weightloss conclusions.
Please tell me where the quack certification is so I can google it.
stating that you can cure diabetes(you reverse it not cure it) and can cure people with kidney failure(not to be confused with kidney disease that may be reversed) to me yells quack. sure he works with kidney issues,doesnt make him an exert in weight loss,heck if thats the case then I could get my advice from a podiatrist on weight loss.most drs dont get enough training when it comes to dietary needs,nutrition and so on, thats why there are registered dietitians, or doctors who also hold those degrees
Kidney damage is irreversible. Define cure of diabetes. To say the absence of a condition that no long requires medical intervention, does this suffice? If so I say cure.
the absence of something does not mean a cure though, take cancer. you can go into remission but it can come back many times over,same way if you reverse type 2,if you go back to the way things were when you had it it can come back.
sometimes it can come back no matter what you do.same with asthma,its a lung disease and cannot be cured, but you can go years and years without symptoms and not need medication, and then down the road have an asthma attack and die.I never said kidney damage is reversible, I think maybe you have a hard time comprehending english? this is not meant to be snarky either.
from what I read he said CURE,I didnt so maybe ask him as he is the one that states it can be cured.4 -
What questions? Shall we talk or are you at that point where name calling would suit you best?Hmmm, how to respond to sarcasm, a
Ah, I agree. We should all challenge our beliefs and eliminate bias as well. By the way, a. Liam is an assertion of truth without proof. Now, if , being that you restrict the conversation to just one person, dr fung, he provides ample independent proof that fasting works. I also restrict lengthy explanation for the sake of brevity.
But why would you restrict your research or a conversation to one person? That's not eliminating anything.
You still haven't responded to most of my questions except with vague replies. It's fine if you don't know or don't understand the concepts, you can admit that. Telling me to go research is trying to shift the burden of proof when you were the one making claims.
You want me to name call or you are going to call me names?
Here is the question again:You keep throwing out the vague term of physiological mechanisms. What specifically does the body do during the fasted state that would negate overeating by hundreds of calories?
Question, do you assume that all calories are equal? To say that the body treats them all the same?
You answer mine first since I've been asking for a couple of pages now and I will gladly answer yours.
Depends on the source of calories. Fat, protein, or carb. You pick.
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