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I don't support the fat acceptance/plus size movement.
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Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/12/19/the-ugly-realities-of-socialized-medicine-are-not-going-away-3/amp/3 -
I have to admit, I get very tired of seeing posts where someone who is overweight has decided to stop hating themselves, and may even (gasp)like the way they look at the moment, and being met with "But it's unhealthy! Stop being ok with yourself!"
No *kitten* Sherlock! We know it's not optimal! We know we are at greater risk for various issues, that our joints hurt and we have trouble breathing. But you have to love yourself before you can care for yourself. And you can't love your body if all you want to do is get rid of it. So stop going to sites where people are trying to accept themselves, and tell them to stop doing that because you "don't agree" with it.
Think of it this way, if you saw a person with Cancer, skinny, bald, obviously dealing with issues, and they were wearing a cute dress, and actually appreciating that they aren't Quasimodo, would you think it was ok to tell them to get back to being depressed and miserable because Cancer "isn't healthy"?
Let people take care of themselves in thier own way, even when you disagree. Because frankly, it's none of your damn business.10 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/12/19/the-ugly-realities-of-socialized-medicine-are-not-going-away-3/amp/
The best part is, you can link whatever garbage from some paid for by private medicine crap you want. I win this argument in 10, 20, 30 years when you dont have enough money to stay alive to see what your grand kids are doing.
There is a reason life expectancy in Canada,UK,Sweden,Germany is several years higher than the USA. Its because when you get older, you are taken care of, in the US you just die when your money runs out.
Just do your kids a favour, on your death bed tell them you were right on the forums at least!! a true victory.14 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
Uh, I'm in Australia and it's pretty damn successful here.11 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
Uh, I'm in Australia and it's pretty damn successful here.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.12 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
Uh, I'm in Australia and it's pretty damn successful here.
Really, that's none of your business. but I have a family history, personal history and through my personal history a large network of friends and associates with similar issues and I can make no complaint. I'm also an American citizen, have lived there and will never live there again due solely to their health system (not as a protest, but simply because it isn't sustainable for me or my husband).
I can, on any given day get an appointment at my local clinic which will be bulk billed and I will not be charged for it. Medication that I'm on which has a price tag of upwards of $1600 per 4 week supply is $31. My husbands medication is the same, and various others of his needs are met with no charge. The outpatient teams at the local hospital who monitor us both (without charge) are caring, and available. And while I've been lucky enough to avoid hospital thus far, my husband has not and the public system has been perfectly adequate and caring.7 -
Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."2 -
Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
Canadians who need medically necessary surgeries waited longer than ever for treatment — with average wait times hitting 20 weeks, a new Fraser Institute report concludes."2 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.6 -
Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
Nah, they just go bankrupt.8 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
You clearly have excellent insurance coverage, and it almost sounds like you think everyone else here does, too. I had to wait 11 weeks just to get an initial primary care appointment...in the U.S. Not specialty care, not surgery. Just getting in to see a GP. My brother-in-law went bankrupt after an emergency appendectomy - even with his crappy insurance coverage. It's not all roses and rainbows here in the USA. In case you didn't know...10 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
You clearly have excellent insurance coverage, and it almost sounds like you think everyone else here does, too. I had to wait 11 weeks just to get an initial primary care appointment...in the U.S. Not specialty care, not surgery. Just getting in to see a GP. My brother-in-law went bankrupt after an emergency appendectomy - even with his crappy insurance coverage. It's not all roses and rainbows here in the USA. In case you didn't know...
Yeah, my cousin lost his house over injuries from a car accident and an Aunt passed away from a completely foreseeable aneyrism because her insurance wouldn't pay for the scan that would have detected it.9 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db262.htm
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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peckchris3267 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db262.htm
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition9 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
sorry dude, that's *kitten*. take a look at some of the recent YouGov polls, for example, - the NHS is massively popular. The people you have seen complaining are not necessarily representative. The main issue most have with the NHS at the moment is its de-funding and privatisation which are crippling its function.7 -
Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
So in the fable "The Ant and the Grasshopper" you are siding with the grasshopper?
Lovely thought. As long as it's someone else's money - why cares right?
Ah the empathy of the socialist mindset - you have good intentions, so it's all ok though.6 -
I hope you're not implying that people who need socialized medicine are lazy or flighty like the grasshopper in said fable. Pity there isn't a third character in there who works and sweats and scrimps and saves... but because of a large family, a need to flee predators, thieves stealing thier food stores, etc. finds themself with insufficient food to get through the winter and now faces, not only starvation but the stigma of being judged a lazy parasite.13
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Alatariel75 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
You clearly have excellent insurance coverage, and it almost sounds like you think everyone else here does, too. I had to wait 11 weeks just to get an initial primary care appointment...in the U.S. Not specialty care, not surgery. Just getting in to see a GP. My brother-in-law went bankrupt after an emergency appendectomy - even with his crappy insurance coverage. It's not all roses and rainbows here in the USA. In case you didn't know...
Yeah, my cousin lost his house over injuries from a car accident and an Aunt passed away from a completely foreseeable aneyrism because her insurance wouldn't pay for the scan that would have detected it.
A close friend of mine, who had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time, lost her house and nearly went bankrupt over medical bills following the birth of a child with moderate brain malformities, requiring extended care and multiple surgeries. They lived with her parents for years to get back on their feet (and not everyone has that option), and will likely be paying those medical bills for many more years. The child in question is 13, now, and doing quite well.
I'll repeat - they had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time.
And I'll add - that child will forever have a "pre-existing health condition."
Good thing they live here in the U.S.A. with all of our excellent health care. /sarcasm
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JeepHair77 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
You clearly have excellent insurance coverage, and it almost sounds like you think everyone else here does, too. I had to wait 11 weeks just to get an initial primary care appointment...in the U.S. Not specialty care, not surgery. Just getting in to see a GP. My brother-in-law went bankrupt after an emergency appendectomy - even with his crappy insurance coverage. It's not all roses and rainbows here in the USA. In case you didn't know...
Yeah, my cousin lost his house over injuries from a car accident and an Aunt passed away from a completely foreseeable aneyrism because her insurance wouldn't pay for the scan that would have detected it.
A close friend of mine, who had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time, lost her house and nearly went bankrupt over medical bills following the birth of a child with moderate brain malformities, requiring extended care and multiple surgeries. They lived with her parents for years to get back on their feet (and not everyone has that option), and will likely be paying those medical bills for many more years. The child in question is 13, now, and doing quite well.
I'll repeat - they had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time.
And I'll add - that child will forever have a "pre-existing health condition."
Good thing they live here in the U.S.A. with all of our excellent health care. /sarcasm
The poor in this country get free medical care in the form of Medicaid . I know this for a fact. I am a single father with full custody of my two daughters. My income level is low enough that all their medical and dental is 100% free with the states Medicaid. I am on VA healthcare but when I lost my job due to medical issues, the state sent me a Medicaid card and all of my medical needs would have been free had I needed it. That IS the way it works in the US. The problem is that everyone thinks they should be able to keep their BMW and vacation fund and not put those toward their medical bills.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »JeepHair77 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
You clearly have excellent insurance coverage, and it almost sounds like you think everyone else here does, too. I had to wait 11 weeks just to get an initial primary care appointment...in the U.S. Not specialty care, not surgery. Just getting in to see a GP. My brother-in-law went bankrupt after an emergency appendectomy - even with his crappy insurance coverage. It's not all roses and rainbows here in the USA. In case you didn't know...
Yeah, my cousin lost his house over injuries from a car accident and an Aunt passed away from a completely foreseeable aneyrism because her insurance wouldn't pay for the scan that would have detected it.
A close friend of mine, who had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time, lost her house and nearly went bankrupt over medical bills following the birth of a child with moderate brain malformities, requiring extended care and multiple surgeries. They lived with her parents for years to get back on their feet (and not everyone has that option), and will likely be paying those medical bills for many more years. The child in question is 13, now, and doing quite well.
I'll repeat - they had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time.
And I'll add - that child will forever have a "pre-existing health condition."
Good thing they live here in the U.S.A. with all of our excellent health care. /sarcasm
The poor in this country get free medical care in the form of Medicaid . I know this for a fact. I am a single father with full custody of my two daughters. My income level is low enough that all their medical and dental is 100% free with the states Medicaid. I am on VA healthcare but when I lost my job due to medical issues, the state sent me a Medicaid card and all of my medical needs would have been free had I needed it. That IS the way it works in the US. The problem is that everyone thinks they should be able to keep their BMW and vacation fund and not put those toward their medical bills.
What I find most confusing is that you object to socialized medicine, while using it yourself.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »JeepHair77 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
You clearly have excellent insurance coverage, and it almost sounds like you think everyone else here does, too. I had to wait 11 weeks just to get an initial primary care appointment...in the U.S. Not specialty care, not surgery. Just getting in to see a GP. My brother-in-law went bankrupt after an emergency appendectomy - even with his crappy insurance coverage. It's not all roses and rainbows here in the USA. In case you didn't know...
Yeah, my cousin lost his house over injuries from a car accident and an Aunt passed away from a completely foreseeable aneyrism because her insurance wouldn't pay for the scan that would have detected it.
A close friend of mine, who had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time, lost her house and nearly went bankrupt over medical bills following the birth of a child with moderate brain malformities, requiring extended care and multiple surgeries. They lived with her parents for years to get back on their feet (and not everyone has that option), and will likely be paying those medical bills for many more years. The child in question is 13, now, and doing quite well.
I'll repeat - they had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time.
And I'll add - that child will forever have a "pre-existing health condition."
Good thing they live here in the U.S.A. with all of our excellent health care. /sarcasm
The poor in this country get free medical care in the form of Medicaid . I know this for a fact. I am a single father with full custody of my two daughters. My income level is low enough that all their medical and dental is 100% free with the states Medicaid. I am on VA healthcare but when I lost my job due to medical issues, the state sent me a Medicaid card and all of my medical needs would have been free had I needed it. That IS the way it works in the US. The problem is that everyone thinks they should be able to keep their BMW and vacation fund and not put those toward their medical bills.
So why should people really have to live in perpetual poverty in order to get basic medical care? If you develop a health issue you have to give up everything you've built through your life - your home, your retirement savings, your kid's college savings - and join a whole class of people who are trapped at the bottom of the heap. I don't think it's the BMW driving, vacation taking people who are losing everything to medical debt. Sorry, I don't buy that. It's mostly people who are working hard, struggling to make a better life for their family. You know, the old American dream of improving your lot in life, that dream that people used to have before it got real?12 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »I hope you're not implying that people who need socialized medicine are lazy or flighty like the grasshopper in said fable. Pity there isn't a third character in there who works and sweats and scrimps and saves... but because of a large family, a need to flee predators, thieves stealing thier food stores, etc. finds themself with insufficient food to get through the winter and now faces, not only starvation but the stigma of being judged a lazy parasite.
An evaluation needs to take place in each case, especially when attempting to take resources by force from one party to another. Otherwise you are replacing justice of law with....what exactly is your rationale for this theft? Taking from those who have done no wrong and giving to those who have not been wronged?
Your third character would and should rely on charity and give their fellow man the opportunity to be charitable.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »JeepHair77 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
You clearly have excellent insurance coverage, and it almost sounds like you think everyone else here does, too. I had to wait 11 weeks just to get an initial primary care appointment...in the U.S. Not specialty care, not surgery. Just getting in to see a GP. My brother-in-law went bankrupt after an emergency appendectomy - even with his crappy insurance coverage. It's not all roses and rainbows here in the USA. In case you didn't know...
Yeah, my cousin lost his house over injuries from a car accident and an Aunt passed away from a completely foreseeable aneyrism because her insurance wouldn't pay for the scan that would have detected it.
A close friend of mine, who had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time, lost her house and nearly went bankrupt over medical bills following the birth of a child with moderate brain malformities, requiring extended care and multiple surgeries. They lived with her parents for years to get back on their feet (and not everyone has that option), and will likely be paying those medical bills for many more years. The child in question is 13, now, and doing quite well.
I'll repeat - they had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time.
And I'll add - that child will forever have a "pre-existing health condition."
Good thing they live here in the U.S.A. with all of our excellent health care. /sarcasm
The poor in this country get free medical care in the form of Medicaid . I know this for a fact. I am a single father with full custody of my two daughters. My income level is low enough that all their medical and dental is 100% free with the states Medicaid. I am on VA healthcare but when I lost my job due to medical issues, the state sent me a Medicaid card and all of my medical needs would have been free had I needed it. That IS the way it works in the US. The problem is that everyone thinks they should be able to keep their BMW and vacation fund and not put those toward their medical bills.
I find it truly bizarre to think that people only deserve to have their needs for medical care considered once they have lost their car, their savings, and their house. To characterize a car (which is not optional in many places for people who want to get to a job or get groceries) and funds to help cover emergencies as a "BMW and vacation fund" . . . well, I'm having trouble coming up with an adequate response especially given that you use the government to cover medical expenses for you and your children.
For what it's worth, I'm sorry that you had to liquidate your assets in order to get medical care for your children. I don't think that's a choice that people should have to face. A savings account isn't just a "vacation fund," it's often vital for getting through rough patches in life, things like broken water heaters or new work shoes.
I hope you realize that not every state has the same Medicaid options available for citizens and the options not available may become even more limited depending on what Congress decides to do with health care. It's not as easy for everyone as you make it sound. There are people who put off needed medical care because they can't afford it, people who can't find a dentist in their area who will accept Medicaid, people who take less than the required dosage of their medicine because they can't afford all of it.13 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »JeepHair77 wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
You clearly have excellent insurance coverage, and it almost sounds like you think everyone else here does, too. I had to wait 11 weeks just to get an initial primary care appointment...in the U.S. Not specialty care, not surgery. Just getting in to see a GP. My brother-in-law went bankrupt after an emergency appendectomy - even with his crappy insurance coverage. It's not all roses and rainbows here in the USA. In case you didn't know...
Yeah, my cousin lost his house over injuries from a car accident and an Aunt passed away from a completely foreseeable aneyrism because her insurance wouldn't pay for the scan that would have detected it.
A close friend of mine, who had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time, lost her house and nearly went bankrupt over medical bills following the birth of a child with moderate brain malformities, requiring extended care and multiple surgeries. They lived with her parents for years to get back on their feet (and not everyone has that option), and will likely be paying those medical bills for many more years. The child in question is 13, now, and doing quite well.
I'll repeat - they had "good" health insurance through her employer at the time.
And I'll add - that child will forever have a "pre-existing health condition."
Good thing they live here in the U.S.A. with all of our excellent health care. /sarcasm
The poor in this country get free medical care in the form of Medicaid . I know this for a fact. I am a single father with full custody of my two daughters. My income level is low enough that all their medical and dental is 100% free with the states Medicaid. I am on VA healthcare but when I lost my job due to medical issues, the state sent me a Medicaid card and all of my medical needs would have been free had I needed it. That IS the way it works in the US. The problem is that everyone thinks they should be able to keep their BMW and vacation fund and not put those toward their medical bills.
My friend did not qualify for Medicaid. At no time, at their lowest point, did they qualify, not that it would have mattered. They also had no BMW and STILL haven't taken a vacation, 13 years later. What are you even talking about?
But maybe that's the point, if we really get down to it. My friend and her husband, educated, hard-working, LUCKY enough to have good careers and insurance and a little savings, were nearly ruined by one unexpected healthcare crisis. I suppose if they'd been on Medicaid, it would have been fine.
I don't actually believe that, BTW. But there's a huge, HUGE gap in the impact a healthcare crisis can have on people, based largely on factors outside of their control.7 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »I hope you're not implying that people who need socialized medicine are lazy or flighty like the grasshopper in said fable. Pity there isn't a third character in there who works and sweats and scrimps and saves... but because of a large family, a need to flee predators, thieves stealing thier food stores, etc. finds themself with insufficient food to get through the winter and now faces, not only starvation but the stigma of being judged a lazy parasite.
An evaluation needs to take place in each case, especially when attempting to take resources by force from one party to another. Otherwise you are replacing justice of law with....what exactly is your rationale for this theft? Taking from those who have done no wrong and giving to those who have not been wronged?
Your third character would and should rely on charity and give their fellow man the opportunity to be charitable.
And how much disposable income does the fellow man have? One sick person with inadequate funding for medical care is a tragedy, a call to action, etc. A hundred? A thousand? A million? Those are dismal and overwhelming statistics. According to https://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/all.html, In 2014, there were an estimated 14,738,719 people living with cancer of any site in the United States.
From https://www.agingcare.com/articles/why-cancer-patients-cannot-afford-treatment-139136.htm"Over 11 million people in the U.S. have been diagnosed with cancer and it is one of the five most costly medical conditions. This forces many patients to make decisions about their health care and cancer treatment based on finances not on what is best for their health," says Dr. Richy Agajanian, M.D. of the Oncology Institute of Hope and Innovation.
"Once diagnosed with cancer, whether insured or not, people face significant and sometimes devastating hurdles to receiving timely, affordable treatment in our health care system," he says. "Cancer patients require a lot of services - infusion therapy, medication, surgery, ongoing care from doctors and nurse practitioners. Many don't have insurance, or they aren't reimbursed by their insurance company, so they are forced to do without treatment."One in eight people with advanced cancer turned down recommended care because of the cost, according to a new analysis from Kaiser Foundation. And one in four cancer patients or their families said they used up all or most of their savings to pay for treatment.
That's cancer. There are plenty of other diseases and medical conditions that are costly to treat.
So. How many people can a charity help before it has to turn everyone else away?
I'm not even getting to people who would rather die than accept charity. Though I suppose that if they do that, they'll "decrease the surplus population," no?2
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