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I don't support the fat acceptance/plus size movement.
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Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/12/19/the-ugly-realities-of-socialized-medicine-are-not-going-away-3/amp/3 -
I have to admit, I get very tired of seeing posts where someone who is overweight has decided to stop hating themselves, and may even (gasp)like the way they look at the moment, and being met with "But it's unhealthy! Stop being ok with yourself!"
No *kitten* Sherlock! We know it's not optimal! We know we are at greater risk for various issues, that our joints hurt and we have trouble breathing. But you have to love yourself before you can care for yourself. And you can't love your body if all you want to do is get rid of it. So stop going to sites where people are trying to accept themselves, and tell them to stop doing that because you "don't agree" with it.
Think of it this way, if you saw a person with Cancer, skinny, bald, obviously dealing with issues, and they were wearing a cute dress, and actually appreciating that they aren't Quasimodo, would you think it was ok to tell them to get back to being depressed and miserable because Cancer "isn't healthy"?
Let people take care of themselves in thier own way, even when you disagree. Because frankly, it's none of your damn business.10 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2011/12/19/the-ugly-realities-of-socialized-medicine-are-not-going-away-3/amp/
The best part is, you can link whatever garbage from some paid for by private medicine crap you want. I win this argument in 10, 20, 30 years when you dont have enough money to stay alive to see what your grand kids are doing.
There is a reason life expectancy in Canada,UK,Sweden,Germany is several years higher than the USA. Its because when you get older, you are taken care of, in the US you just die when your money runs out.
Just do your kids a favour, on your death bed tell them you were right on the forums at least!! a true victory.14 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
Uh, I'm in Australia and it's pretty damn successful here.11 -
I have talked with many people from Australia and they say it isn't good at all. What kind of medical treatments and care have you had there that was so good?Alatariel75 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
Uh, I'm in Australia and it's pretty damn successful here.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.12 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »
I have talked with many people from Australia and they say it isn't good at all. What kind of medical treatments and care have you had there that was so good?Alatariel75 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
Uh, I'm in Australia and it's pretty damn successful here.
Really, that's none of your business. but I have a family history, personal history and through my personal history a large network of friends and associates with similar issues and I can make no complaint. I'm also an American citizen, have lived there and will never live there again due solely to their health system (not as a protest, but simply because it isn't sustainable for me or my husband).
I can, on any given day get an appointment at my local clinic which will be bulk billed and I will not be charged for it. Medication that I'm on which has a price tag of upwards of $1600 per 4 week supply is $31. My husbands medication is the same, and various others of his needs are met with no charge. The outpatient teams at the local hospital who monitor us both (without charge) are caring, and available. And while I've been lucky enough to avoid hospital thus far, my husband has not and the public system has been perfectly adequate and caring.7 -
Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."2 -
"Canadians are waiting longer than ever for surgeries in Canada. A new study by the Fraser Institute shows the average Canadian waits 20 weeks from the time they first see a doctor to surgery. But as Mike LeCouteur reports some question the validity of the report.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
Canadians who need medically necessary surgeries waited longer than ever for treatment — with average wait times hitting 20 weeks, a new Fraser Institute report concludes."2 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.6 -
That doesn't happen in the USPoisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
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What? If people don't have medical insurance, they DON'T get regular care at all. What is the HIGHEST expense that seniors pay for? It ain't a car or mortgage.peckchris3267 wrote: »
That doesn't happen in the USPoisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
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IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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peckchris3267 wrote: »
That doesn't happen in the USPoisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
Nah, they just go bankrupt.8 -
I've never heard of the elderly being dumped on the street when they run out of money, come on now, you don't actually believe that now do you? Medicaid kicks in when their insurance runs out. The elderly even go to nursing homes when they have no money. They may not be as good as one that a rich person would go to but it still is medical care.
What? If people don't have medical insurance, they DON'T get regular care at all. What is the HIGHEST expense that seniors pay for? It ain't a car or mortgage.peckchris3267 wrote: »
That doesn't happen in the USPoisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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Yeah, those pesky little facts got in your way again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »
Yeah, those pesky little facts got in your way again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
You clearly have excellent insurance coverage, and it almost sounds like you think everyone else here does, too. I had to wait 11 weeks just to get an initial primary care appointment...in the U.S. Not specialty care, not surgery. Just getting in to see a GP. My brother-in-law went bankrupt after an emergency appendectomy - even with his crappy insurance coverage. It's not all roses and rainbows here in the USA. In case you didn't know...
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peckchris3267 wrote: »
Yeah, those pesky little facts got in your way again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
You clearly have excellent insurance coverage, and it almost sounds like you think everyone else here does, too. I had to wait 11 weeks just to get an initial primary care appointment...in the U.S. Not specialty care, not surgery. Just getting in to see a GP. My brother-in-law went bankrupt after an emergency appendectomy - even with his crappy insurance coverage. It's not all roses and rainbows here in the USA. In case you didn't know...
Yeah, my cousin lost his house over injuries from a car accident and an Aunt passed away from a completely foreseeable aneyrism because her insurance wouldn't pay for the scan that would have detected it.9 -
Lol, dude how naive are you? You don't believe people die in the US because of lack of health insurance? Here's I'll help you with that:peckchris3267 wrote: »
I've never heard of the elderly being dumped on the street when they run out of money, come on now, you don't actually believe that now do you? Medicaid kicks in when their insurance runs out. The elderly even go to nursing homes when they have no money. They may not be as good as one that a rich person would go to but it still is medical care.
What? If people don't have medical insurance, they DON'T get regular care at all. What is the HIGHEST expense that seniors pay for? It ain't a car or mortgage.peckchris3267 wrote: »
That doesn't happen in the USPoisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
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http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db262.htm
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Kickboxing Certified Instructor
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And I wonder how many people die of preventable diseases because they avoid going to the emergency room because they can't afford the bill.
Lol, dude how naive are you? You don't believe people die in the US because of lack of health insurance? Here's I'll help you with that:peckchris3267 wrote: »
I've never heard of the elderly being dumped on the street when they run out of money, come on now, you don't actually believe that now do you? Medicaid kicks in when their insurance runs out. The elderly even go to nursing homes when they have no money. They may not be as good as one that a rich person would go to but it still is medical care.
What? If people don't have medical insurance, they DON'T get regular care at all. What is the HIGHEST expense that seniors pay for? It ain't a car or mortgage.peckchris3267 wrote: »
That doesn't happen in the USPoisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
anecdotal evidence does not make it the norm or make me completely ignorant. How many cancer patients die each year waiting for treatment. I'll tell you what the norm is. Someone with stage 3 cancer waiting so long for an appointment that by the time they see the doctor they have advanced to stage 4 cancer and then has to make another appointment and start the waiting all over again.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
My dad is alive because of it. So you are completely ignorant.
Average wait time in USA from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 35+ days
Average wait time in Canada from diagnosis to surgery for cancer 28 days.
You can believe the spin all you want, its still better than the crap healthcare you have.
"Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Insti-tute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
This edition of Waiting Your Turn indicates that, overall, waiting times for medically necessary treatment have not improved since last year. Specialist physicians surveyed report a median waiting time of 18.3 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment—slightly longer than the 18.2 week wait reported in 2014. This year’s wait time is 97% longer than in 1993 when it was just 9.3 weeks.
There is a great deal of variation in the total waiting time faced by patients across the provinces. Saskatchewan re-ports the shortest total wait (13.6 weeks), while Prince Edward Island reports the longest (43.1 weeks). Results for the latter province should be interpreted with caution since data is not available for certain specialties because of either a lack of response or an absence of doctors practising some specialties.
There is also a great deal of variation among specialties. Patients wait longest between a GP referral and orthopae-dic surgery (35.7 weeks).
The total wait time that patients face can be examined in two consecutive segments.
The first segment occurs from referral by a general practitioner to consultation with a specialist. The waiting time in this segment is 8.5 weeks this year, roughly the same as in 2014. This wait time is 130% longer than in 1993, when it was 3.7 weeks. The shortest waits for specialist consultations are in Saskatchewan (6.7 weeks) while the longest occur in Prince Edward Island (28.3 weeks).
The second segment occurs from the consultation with a specialist to the point at which the patient receives treatment. The waiting time in this segment is roughly the same as last year, 9.8 weeks. This wait time is 76% longer than in 1993 when it was 5.6 weeks, and almost three weeks longer than what physicians consider to be clinically “reasonable”. The shortest specialist-to-treatment waits are found in Saskatchewan (6.9 weeks), while the longest are in Newfoundland & Labrador (20.5 weeks)."
Medically necessary and life threatening are two COMPLETELY different things. Anyways im done with you, i dont need to win the internet argument.
Enjoy dying early when you run out of money.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db262.htm
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition9 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »
Socialized medicine is a bad thing. Look at the countries that have it, it doesn't work. I am on two medical forums that are based out of the U.K. and people from all over the world are on it. One is a hip replacement forum and the other is a hemochromatosis forum. I have talked to many people from countries about the issues they have had with socialized medicine and it is not good at all.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »To the people who think socialized medicine or group pays are a bad thing, you have a rude awakening coming when you get older. you are going to beg for someone younger to help you stay alive.
sorry dude, that's *kitten*. take a look at some of the recent YouGov polls, for example, - the NHS is massively popular. The people you have seen complaining are not necessarily representative. The main issue most have with the NHS at the moment is its de-funding and privatisation which are crippling its function.7
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