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I don't support the fat acceptance/plus size movement.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »
that happens all the time and it is no longer "routinely ".janejellyroll wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
I read my source and it concludes that obesity is a disability covered by the ADA.janejellyroll wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
You are just plain wrong.janejellyroll wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
This group got powerful enough to convince the American Medical Association to categorize obesity as a disease. As a result, the Americans With Disabilities Act protect obese people from discrimination. Fat people have legal recourse if they are discriminated against.janejellyroll wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »WendyLeigh1119 wrote: »I support fat acceptance because much like thousands of other habits, hobbies, body modification, medical choices, religious and/or personal choices, sexual orientation, gender acceptance....etc etc...the way someone else chooses to live is NOT my business. Feeling mentally happy/healthy in your skin is very personal and private.
These movements aren't about "agreeing" with obesity. It's about acknowledging that *others* have no business judging them for their personal choices and certainly not determining who "deserves to feel happy about themselves".
Anything that promotes positive minds is a good thing. It's that simple. And people who judge or shame the choices of others are simply disgraceful. If you don't like overweight people feeling good about themselves as human beings (?!)...its probably *you* that needs some introspection and therapy. Not them.
Sorry, but ...ugh.
But that is not what this organization is about, this is in their own words;
"Association to Advance Fat Acceptance (NAAFA) is a non-profit, all volunteer, civil rights organization dedicated to protecting the rights and improving the quality of life for fat people."
What rights are fat people being deprived of?
The text you posted literally addresses this: "Fat people are discriminated against in all aspects of daily life, from employment to education to access to public accommodations, and even access to adequate medical care."
If you don't understand what they're advocating for, maybe check out their website. I find it impossible to believe they don't have clarifying information.
This isn't true. Obesity, in and of itself, isn't a recognized disability under the ADA.
http://www.law.com/sites/michaelkraemer/2014/11/11/is-obesity-considered-a-disability-under-the-ada/?slreturn=20170506115633
"The Equal Employment in Opportunity Commission (“EEOC”) now claims obesity is a disability under ADA."peckchris3267 wrote: »
You are just plain wrong.janejellyroll wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
This group got powerful enough to convince the American Medical Association to categorize obesity as a disease. As a result, the Americans With Disabilities Act protect obese people from discrimination. Fat people have legal recourse if they are discriminated against.janejellyroll wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »WendyLeigh1119 wrote: »I support fat acceptance because much like thousands of other habits, hobbies, body modification, medical choices, religious and/or personal choices, sexual orientation, gender acceptance....etc etc...the way someone else chooses to live is NOT my business. Feeling mentally happy/healthy in your skin is very personal and private.
These movements aren't about "agreeing" with obesity. It's about acknowledging that *others* have no business judging them for their personal choices and certainly not determining who "deserves to feel happy about themselves".
Anything that promotes positive minds is a good thing. It's that simple. And people who judge or shame the choices of others are simply disgraceful. If you don't like overweight people feeling good about themselves as human beings (?!)...its probably *you* that needs some introspection and therapy. Not them.
Sorry, but ...ugh.
But that is not what this organization is about, this is in their own words;
"Association to Advance Fat Acceptance (NAAFA) is a non-profit, all volunteer, civil rights organization dedicated to protecting the rights and improving the quality of life for fat people."
What rights are fat people being deprived of?
The text you posted literally addresses this: "Fat people are discriminated against in all aspects of daily life, from employment to education to access to public accommodations, and even access to adequate medical care."
If you don't understand what they're advocating for, maybe check out their website. I find it impossible to believe they don't have clarifying information.
This isn't true. Obesity, in and of itself, isn't a recognized disability under the ADA.
http://www.law.com/sites/michaelkraemer/2014/11/11/is-obesity-considered-a-disability-under-the-ada/?slreturn=20170506115633
"The Equal Employment in Opportunity Commission (“EEOC”) now claims obesity is a disability under ADA."
Did you read the very next sentence in that blog post?
"Courts have routinely rejected general obesity as a “disability” under the ADA. Cases have required one to show some different underlying medical condition that is a disability and that causes obesity as a “symptom.”'
Your claim was that the ADA protects obese people from discrimination. But the very blog post you cite in support of that doesn't even make that claim. Courts have routinely rejected such claims. The EEOC can "claim" whatever, but if courts don't recognize it then it isn't covered under the ADA.
The law may go in that direction, it may not. It isn't there right now. Re-read your source.
"Now it appears that obesity may be covered under the protections of the ADA. The question remains whether the ADA will start to include other illnesses that were long excluded from the protections of the ADA,"
Individual cases can be brought to court all day long but that doesn't change the fact that it is now the law.
How can it be the law when the courts routinely reject the claims, as your source claims?
You disagree with the very blog post you used to support your argument?7 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »
Except that this is far more than just a website. It's been around far longer than websites have been. There are meetings around the world.stanmann571 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
Actually, you are wrong, there is actually such a movement.sssynnamon wrote: »Ugh. Wake up. There's no damn movement trying to force us to accept that fat is anything other than unattractive except by some dipshit media idiot deciding that it would be a cool story that would get them noticed because there are so many fat people in this country who refuse to take responsibility for their own lack of control. I say this as someone who has over indulged. As someone who was once an athlete. As someone who was once a competitive bodybuilder. As someone who, somewhere along the line, decided the burgers, tacos, pasta, fries, alcohol, cigarettes, and crack (yep, you read that right) were more important than making some choices that are healthier. I say it as someone who was hospitalized with congestive heart failure who STILL thought it was ok to eat whatever the hell I wanted because i didn't think i should be denied anything. Not sure why i felt t that way. I'm guessing i briefly bought into the media hype that we all deserve trophies simply because we exist. Yeah..... We DON'T. With VERY few exceptions, people are fat because they refuse to exercise self control. Excuses are just that... Excuses. Your mama and daddy didn't love you enough, so you turned to food. EXCUSE. Your cousin/ funny uncle/ neighbor touched you inappropriately, so you turned to food. EXCUSE. Some person you really loved had the nerve to die unexpectedly, so you turned to food. EXCUSE. You people haven't been through anything I haven't, so you don't get to say I don't understand. If you're on MFP and you're looking at this, I assume it means you're ready to make a change. Good for you. I decided that it was time to take my life back. To take control back instead of trying to find ways to escape what happened. I walked away from addiction through sheer willpower. That may not work for everyone. The first thing you have to do is get PISSED at the things you've allowed to control you. Then take that control back. You have to figure out how to do that. There's no magic pill. There's no magic diet. No one is going to do it for you. Get up off your ample *kitten* and do it for yourself and stop expecting those of us who've bothered to do the work to make way for you. If you won't do it yourself... Then put your really big girl (Or boy) panties on and remind yourself "sticks and stones..."
Wow. One of the best posts I've ever read on this forum.
https://www.naafaonline.com/dev2/about/
"About Us
NAAFA: the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance
Founded in 1969, the National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance (NAAFA) is a non-profit, all volunteer, civil rights organization dedicated to protecting the rights and improving the quality of life for fat people. NAAFA works to eliminate discrimination based on body size and provide fat people with the tools for self-empowerment through advocacy, public education, and support.
Why Should I Support NAAFA?
Fat people are discriminated against in all aspects of daily life, from employment to education to access to public accommodations, and even access to adequate medical care. This discrimination occurs despite evidence that 95 to 98 percent of diets fail over five years and that 65 million Americans are labeled “obese.” Our thin-obsessed society firmly believes that fat people are at fault for their size and it is politically correct to stigmatize and ridicule them. Fat discrimination is one of the last publicly accepted discriminatory practices. Fat people have rights and they need to be upheld!
NAAFA’s message of size acceptance and self-acceptance is often overshadowed by a $49 billion-a-year diet industry that has a vested economic interest in perpetuating discrimination against fat people. Without active financial support from people like you, NAAFA would not exist and could not fulfill its crucial role defending your rights. While it is an uphill battle to achieve our goals, together we are making a difference.
Our Vision
A society in which people of every size are accepted with dignity and equality in all aspects of life.
Our Mission
To eliminate discrimination based on body size and provide fat people with the tools for self-empowerment though public education, advocacy, and support.
Our Promise
NAAFA will be a powerful force for positive social change. Using our collective will, talents and resources, we will improve the world — not just for fat people, but for everyone.
We Come in All Sizes…
Understand it.
Support it.
Accept it."
Having a website does not a movement make.
So what? Fat people are having meetings. You don't have to attend.12 -
The fact is that all this nonsense about how "it could affect my taxes" and "their future disability and healthcare could be my problem!" is only being mentioned because they want to mistreat obese people and feel justified in doing so.
You don't hear anyone talking about fake breasts and how they are 100% choice and could "totally cause health problems" and make them a "taxpayer problem". Because big breasts are popular and accepted, but "fat" isn't.
I wish these people would just admit they're shallow and biased because society told them it's ok, rather than watch them do Olympic Level, armchair-lawyering to try to justify their prejudice.13 -
WendyLeigh1119 wrote: »The fact is that all this nonsense about how "it could affect my taxes" and "their future disability and healthcare could be my problem!" is only being mentioned because they want to mistreat obese people and feel justified in doing so.
You don't hear anyone talking about fake breasts and how they are 100% choice and could "totally cause health problems" and make them a "taxpayer problem". Because big breasts are popular and accepted, but "fat" isn't.
I wish these people would just admit they're shallow and biased because society told them it's ok, rather than watch them do Olympic Level, armchair-lawyering to try to justify their prejudice.
How do you logically get from "I don't want to pay for this" to "want to mistreat"?
Much irony in this post.3 -
WendyLeigh1119 wrote: »The fact is that all this nonsense about how "it could affect my taxes" and "their future disability and healthcare could be my problem!" is only being mentioned because they want to mistreat obese people and feel justified in doing so.
You don't hear anyone talking about fake breasts and how they are 100% choice and could "totally cause health problems" and make them a "taxpayer problem". Because big breasts are popular and accepted, but "fat" isn't.
I wish these people would just admit they're shallow and biased because society told them it's ok, rather than watch them do Olympic Level, armchair-lawyering to try to justify their prejudice.
Less than 5% of women get breast implants and if the procedure is botched, it is a physician malpractice issue and not a health care issue. Meanwhile, the obesity rate is estimated to be over 68% and these types of medical problems (high cholesterol, high blood pressure, type 2 diabetes, heart issues, etc.) are all covered by health insurance.5 -
misshoneyz2dab wrote: »I'm 5'4 and I weigh 13 stones 4lbs ( 188lbs) and I want to be 10 stones (140lbs) I've lost 21 lbs so far.
I don't support the plus size or fat acceptance movement, because it promotes unhealthiness. Overweight and Obesity can lead to type 2 diabetes, hypertension, . hypercholesterolemia, stroke, joint pains and CHD.
Two years ago when I went for a blood test. My blood cholesterol level was 5.2 that was all to do with my unhealthy lifestyle and weight. That was a wake up call for me.
When I critique the plus size and fat acceptance movement, I get accused of being a shallow bully. I have heard a lot of the supporters saying that you can be fat and healthy at the same time-which is absolute nonsense!
I'm a plus size woman and I'm not happy with my size or health. I'm doing a lot about my weight.
Exactly. Why support a movement that encourages people to be complacent in an unhealthy body? To me, it's absurd. Good for them if they can feel confident while being overweight/obese but it isn't something they should be encouraging others to do. There is no such thing as fat and healthy. Curvy? Okay. Not being a complete ripped fit chick? Totally fine too. But there is a difference between being average/soft/curvy and being overweight/obese and people are not making that clear.5 -
I support the fat-acceptance movement for this reason: I think that everyone, no matter age, race, size, ability, health concerns etc has a right to feel happy and confident about themselves. Period. A lot of criticism of the FAM is masked as concern for overweight peoples' physical health, but if we really cared we'd also be harping just as hard on everyone else to get their 30 minutes a day/eat more fruits and veg/quit smoking/lower cholesterol/lower blood pressure/wear sunscreen. But that rarely happens. Not to mention the complete disregard for their mental health as constant bullying/discrimination rarely puts someone in a healthy or productive state of mind.
I agree that there are valid concerns about obesity being correlated with poor health outcomes, but ultimately that's between the person and their doctor, not some rando on the street or a "well-meaning" coworker. Overweight people generally are aware of their size. They get it. Don't bully them because of it, or complain about your taxes paying for their healthcare. My taxes help subsidize all kinds of people with preventable health problems, but since I'm a firm believer in a human's right to healthcare, I don't mind. Instead of giving mean-spirited, unsolicited opinions on their weight, how about you help them with their weight loss goals/health goals IF THEY DIRECTLY APPROACH YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE. Otherwise, back off and let them live their lives. Not your life, not your choice.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »https://www.meetup.com/topics/fatpride/
"Meet other local men and women who are overweight and proud. Gather for socialization, support, and to show off your pride by strutting your stuff!"
This reminds me of the little old lady peering out her window, writing bitter letters to the editor complaining about how kids these days are dressed.7 -
A better title would be "I don't understand the fat acceptance movement".15
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I support the fat-acceptance movement for this reason: I think that everyone, no matter age, race, size, ability, health concerns etc has a right to feel happy and confident about themselves. Period. A lot of criticism of the FAM is masked as concern for overweight peoples' physical health, but if we really cared we'd also be harping just as hard on everyone else to get their 30 minutes a day/eat more fruits and veg/quit smoking/lower cholesterol/lower blood pressure/wear sunscreen. But that rarely happens. Not to mention the complete disregard for their mental health as constant bullying/discrimination rarely puts someone in a healthy or productive state of mind.
I agree that there are valid concerns about obesity being correlated with poor health outcomes, but ultimately that's between the person and their doctor, not some rando on the street or a "well-meaning" coworker. Overweight people generally are aware of their size. They get it. Don't bully them because of it, or complain about your taxes paying for their healthcare. My taxes help subsidize all kinds of people with preventable health problems, but since I'm a firm believer in a human's right to healthcare, I don't mind. Instead of giving mean-spirited, unsolicited opinions on their weight, how about you help them with their weight loss goals/health goals IF THEY DIRECTLY APPROACH YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE. Otherwise, back off and let them live their lives. Not your life, not your choice.
This makes a good point. Society really doesn't shame other people with unhealthy habits leading to preventable health problems in the same way as we shame fat people. Even if you consider the relatively recent unpopularity of smoking in public places - that was always more about second hand smoke/making others around you uncomfortable or effecting their breathing directly than it was ever about wanting to improve the health of the smokers themselves. We don't lecture thin people who subsist on a diet of Red Bulls and potato chips and say that their diet choices are a drain on society, even though they can have bad health markers, as well. We have sympathy for the person who spent their teens and twenties baking in the sun only to get aggressive melanoma in their 50s.
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NorthCascades wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »https://www.meetup.com/topics/fatpride/
"Meet other local men and women who are overweight and proud. Gather for socialization, support, and to show off your pride by strutting your stuff!"
This reminds me of the little old lady peering out her window, writing bitter letters to the editor complaining about how kids these days are dressed.
LOL! Exactly.
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heiliskrimsli wrote: »I believe people don't deserve to be treated poorly because they are heavy. That is what the fat acceptance mevement is all about. F.A. also combats myths that you are unattractive, unemployable and have no self control simply because you are bigger. Folks who are bigger are aware of potential health risks, but that's a different story from the social implications of being heavy. Throwing in my 2 ¢
From what I've seen, FA tries to demonize anyone who isn't attracted to fat people. There are some out there who are, but that hasn't been good enough for FA leaders like Tess Holliday.
Tess Holliday, Whitney Thore, and the other FA pushers make their money mostly from being fat. Why wouldn't they? Heck, if l was making money just for being fat and kinda pretty(like they are) I would be eating Big Macs and taking names2 -
I support the fat-acceptance movement for this reason: I think that everyone, no matter age, race, size, ability, health concerns etc has a right to feel happy and confident about themselves. Period. A lot of criticism of the FAM is masked as concern for overweight peoples' physical health, but if we really cared we'd also be harping just as hard on everyone else to get their 30 minutes a day/eat more fruits and veg/quit smoking/lower cholesterol/lower blood pressure/wear sunscreen. But that rarely happens. Not to mention the complete disregard for their mental health as constant bullying/discrimination rarely puts someone in a healthy or productive state of mind.
I agree that there are valid concerns about obesity being correlated with poor health outcomes, but ultimately that's between the person and their doctor, not some rando on the street or a "well-meaning" coworker. Overweight people generally are aware of their size. They get it. Don't bully them because of it, or complain about your taxes paying for their healthcare. My taxes help subsidize all kinds of people with preventable health problems, but since I'm a firm believer in a human's right to healthcare, I don't mind. Instead of giving mean-spirited, unsolicited opinions on their weight, how about you help them with their weight loss goals/health goals IF THEY DIRECTLY APPROACH YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE. Otherwise, back off and let them live their lives. Not your life, not your choice.
This makes a good point. Society really doesn't shame other people with unhealthy habits leading to preventable health problems in the same way as we shame fat people. We don't lecture thin people who subsist on a diet of Red Bulls and potato chips and say that their diet choices are a drain on society, even though they can have bad health markers, as well. We have sympathy for the person who spent their teens and twenties baking in the sun only to get aggressive melanoma in their 50s.
I have to disagree on the thin shaming thing. It is exactly like fat shaming only it's the opposite side of the same coin. The only reason that fat shaming is more prevalent is because 68% of the population is fat (overweight or obese) and only 8% of the population is thin ( underweight) so of course fat shaming is going to happen more overall.
But the frequency it happens to the individuals is just as much if not more for thin people today. The whole men want meat not bones...thin shaming. Real women have curves...thin shaming. No man is attracted to a girl with the body of a twelve year old boy...thin shaming. Shut up and eat a cheeseburger. Do you even eat? You eat like a bird/rabbit. Ewww your arms are like sticks/I can see ribs/knobby knees that's GROSS. If you stood sideways and stuck your tongue out, you'd look like a zipper. Ha ha Olive Oil....you'd fall in the toliet if you're not careful. You have a disgusting body, your boobs are like two beans on an ironing board. Are you ok? Don't faint on me you're too thin, what do you do? Live on crisps and diet soda? You know if you get too thin, your teeth and hair falls out. And on and on.8 -
I support the fat-acceptance movement for this reason: I think that everyone, no matter age, race, size, ability, health concerns etc has a right to feel happy and confident about themselves. Period. A lot of criticism of the FAM is masked as concern for overweight peoples' physical health, but if we really cared we'd also be harping just as hard on everyone else to get their 30 minutes a day/eat more fruits and veg/quit smoking/lower cholesterol/lower blood pressure/wear sunscreen. But that rarely happens. Not to mention the complete disregard for their mental health as constant bullying/discrimination rarely puts someone in a healthy or productive state of mind.
I agree that there are valid concerns about obesity being correlated with poor health outcomes, but ultimately that's between the person and their doctor, not some rando on the street or a "well-meaning" coworker. Overweight people generally are aware of their size. They get it. Don't bully them because of it, or complain about your taxes paying for their healthcare. My taxes help subsidize all kinds of people with preventable health problems, but since I'm a firm believer in a human's right to healthcare, I don't mind. Instead of giving mean-spirited, unsolicited opinions on their weight, how about you help them with their weight loss goals/health goals IF THEY DIRECTLY APPROACH YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE. Otherwise, back off and let them live their lives. Not your life, not your choice.
This makes a good point. Society really doesn't shame other people with unhealthy habits leading to preventable health problems in the same way as we shame fat people. We don't lecture thin people who subsist on a diet of Red Bulls and potato chips and say that their diet choices are a drain on society, even though they can have bad health markers, as well. We have sympathy for the person who spent their teens and twenties baking in the sun only to get aggressive melanoma in their 50s.
I have to disagree on the thin shaming thing. It is exactly like fat shaming only it's the opposite side of the same coin. The only reason that fat shaming is more prevalent is because 68% of the population is fat (overweight or obese) and only 8% of the population is thin ( underweight) so of course fat shaming is going to happen more overall.
But the frequency it happens to the individuals is just as much if not more for thin people today. The whole men want meat not bones...thin shaming. Real women have curves...thin shaming. No man is attracted to a girl with the body of a twelve year old boy...thin shaming. Shut up and eat a cheeseburger. Do you even eat? You eat like a bird/rabbit. Ewww your arms are like sticks/I can see ribs/knobby knees that's GROSS. If you stood sideways and stuck your tongue out, you'd look like a zipper. Ha ha Olive Oil....you'd fall in the toliet if you're not careful. You have a disgusting body, your boobs are like two beans on an ironing board. Are you ok? Don't faint on me you're too thin, what do you do? Live on crisps and diet soda? You know if you get too thin, your teeth and hair falls out. And on and on.
Thin shaming is a perfect example of the same attitude (of body-shaming) applied to a different group, and it's a problem either way. We need to learn that such comments are inappropriate and can be very harmful. Fat-acceptance, thin-acceptance, it's all about body acceptance. People should be allowed to be happy regardless of their health or body size.6 -
I support the fat-acceptance movement for this reason: I think that everyone, no matter age, race, size, ability, health concerns etc has a right to feel happy and confident about themselves. Period. A lot of criticism of the FAM is masked as concern for overweight peoples' physical health, but if we really cared we'd also be harping just as hard on everyone else to get their 30 minutes a day/eat more fruits and veg/quit smoking/lower cholesterol/lower blood pressure/wear sunscreen. But that rarely happens. Not to mention the complete disregard for their mental health as constant bullying/discrimination rarely puts someone in a healthy or productive state of mind.
I agree that there are valid concerns about obesity being correlated with poor health outcomes, but ultimately that's between the person and their doctor, not some rando on the street or a "well-meaning" coworker. Overweight people generally are aware of their size. They get it. Don't bully them because of it, or complain about your taxes paying for their healthcare. My taxes help subsidize all kinds of people with preventable health problems, but since I'm a firm believer in a human's right to healthcare, I don't mind. Instead of giving mean-spirited, unsolicited opinions on their weight, how about you help them with their weight loss goals/health goals IF THEY DIRECTLY APPROACH YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE. Otherwise, back off and let them live their lives. Not your life, not your choice.
This makes a good point. Society really doesn't shame other people with unhealthy habits leading to preventable health problems in the same way as we shame fat people. We don't lecture thin people who subsist on a diet of Red Bulls and potato chips and say that their diet choices are a drain on society, even though they can have bad health markers, as well. We have sympathy for the person who spent their teens and twenties baking in the sun only to get aggressive melanoma in their 50s.
I have to disagree on the thin shaming thing. It is exactly like fat shaming only it's the opposite side of the same coin. The only reason that fat shaming is more prevalent is because 68% of the population is fat (overweight or obese) and only 8% of the population is thin ( underweight) so of course fat shaming is going to happen more overall.
But the frequency it happens to the individuals is just as much if not more for thin people today. The whole men want meat not bones...thin shaming. Real women have curves...thin shaming. No man is attracted to a girl with the body of a twelve year old boy...thin shaming. Shut up and eat a cheeseburger. Do you even eat? You eat like a bird/rabbit. Ewww your arms are like sticks/I can see ribs/knobby knees that's GROSS. If you stood sideways and stuck your tongue out, you'd look like a zipper. Ha ha Olive Oil....you'd fall in the toliet if you're not careful. You have a disgusting body, your boobs are like two beans on an ironing board. Are you ok? Don't faint on me you're too thin, what do you do? Live on crisps and diet soda? You know if you get too thin, your teeth and hair falls out. And on and on.
I wasn't referring to thin-shaming in the way you described. I agree that it does happen and I think it's bullkitten and no one should be shamed for how they look one way or the other. I'm talking about the false "concern for your health" argument that society throws at fat people. We don't DIET shame normal weight people who subsist on very unhealthy foods - so do we (as a society) really care about some stranger's health as much as we pretend to? Do we (as a society) sun shame people getting burned or deeply tanned at the beach every summer? Do we (as a society) shame people who live on nicotine and caffeine? It's a double standard and the idea that we AS A SOCIETY are only fat shaming people be cause we "care about them being unhealthy" is completely dishonest.6 -
I don't think it is ever okay to ridicule/shame a person for being fat, skinny, plus-size, thin, obese, etc. But there will always be jerks that don't care, or justify it by saying they are "motivating" someone (which it can, but it can also harm). All these "movements" or whatever are silly to me. I've been 65 pounds heavier. Can you carry extra weight and still be in "healthy" ranges for blood pressure, cholesterol, glucose, etc.? Yes, of course you can. But you are probably either pretty young, or exercise regularly, or both. As you age, it is unlikely you'll be able to stay in those healthy ranges (or you'll be unable to exercise as much or as intensely). It also affects people at different ages - some are good into their 50's while others start feeling their age in their 30's. I have been as heavy as 210 lbs, and as light as 145 lbs. My best health and best feeling are around 150-155 lbs. Every time my weight creeps over 155 lbs, I can definitely feel the difference.2
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I support the fat-acceptance movement for this reason: I think that everyone, no matter age, race, size, ability, health concerns etc has a right to feel happy and confident about themselves. Period. A lot of criticism of the FAM is masked as concern for overweight peoples' physical health, but if we really cared we'd also be harping just as hard on everyone else to get their 30 minutes a day/eat more fruits and veg/quit smoking/lower cholesterol/lower blood pressure/wear sunscreen. But that rarely happens. Not to mention the complete disregard for their mental health as constant bullying/discrimination rarely puts someone in a healthy or productive state of mind.
I agree that there are valid concerns about obesity being correlated with poor health outcomes, but ultimately that's between the person and their doctor, not some rando on the street or a "well-meaning" coworker. Overweight people generally are aware of their size. They get it. Don't bully them because of it, or complain about your taxes paying for their healthcare. My taxes help subsidize all kinds of people with preventable health problems, but since I'm a firm believer in a human's right to healthcare, I don't mind. Instead of giving mean-spirited, unsolicited opinions on their weight, how about you help them with their weight loss goals/health goals IF THEY DIRECTLY APPROACH YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE. Otherwise, back off and let them live their lives. Not your life, not your choice.
This makes a good point. Society really doesn't shame other people with unhealthy habits leading to preventable health problems in the same way as we shame fat people. We don't lecture thin people who subsist on a diet of Red Bulls and potato chips and say that their diet choices are a drain on society, even though they can have bad health markers, as well. We have sympathy for the person who spent their teens and twenties baking in the sun only to get aggressive melanoma in their 50s.
I have to disagree on the thin shaming thing. It is exactly like fat shaming only it's the opposite side of the same coin. The only reason that fat shaming is more prevalent is because 68% of the population is fat (overweight or obese) and only 8% of the population is thin ( underweight) so of course fat shaming is going to happen more overall.
But the frequency it happens to the individuals is just as much if not more for thin people today. The whole men want meat not bones...thin shaming. Real women have curves...thin shaming. No man is attracted to a girl with the body of a twelve year old boy...thin shaming. Shut up and eat a cheeseburger. Do you even eat? You eat like a bird/rabbit. Ewww your arms are like sticks/I can see ribs/knobby knees that's GROSS. If you stood sideways and stuck your tongue out, you'd look like a zipper. Ha ha Olive Oil....you'd fall in the toliet if you're not careful. You have a disgusting body, your boobs are like two beans on an ironing board. Are you ok? Don't faint on me you're too thin, what do you do? Live on crisps and diet soda? You know if you get too thin, your teeth and hair falls out. And on and on.
I wasn't referring to thin-shaming in the way you described. I agree that it does happen and I think it's bullkitten and no one should be shamed for how they look one way or the other. I'm talking about the false "concern for your health" argument that society throws at fat people. We don't DIET shame normal weight people who subsist on very unhealthy foods - so do we (as a society) really care about some stranger's health as much as we pretend to? Do we (as a society) sun shame people getting burned or deeply tanned at the beach every summer? Do we (as a society) shame people who live on nicotine and caffeine? It's a double standard and the idea that we AS A SOCIETY are only fat shaming people be cause we "care about them being unhealthy" is completely dishonest.
Nope. Sorry disagree. We AS A SOCIETY thin shame people out of supposed concern for their health all the time...what do you think the don't faint/ you'll lose your hair and teeth was referring to? Just today I read a news article in the Sun that was all about them"alarming" weight loss of a celebrity and the comments were about how she'd lost "too much weight" and looked "unhealthily frail." And how it was "not a good look". If a similar article had appeared about a Tess Holliday with similar fat Shane comments...there would have been a huge boycotting uproar. But I bet you didn't even hear about this thin shaming article because society accepts thin shaming MORE than fat shaming now. Too thin people get called "anorexic" all the time or accused of having another eating disorder or an exercise addiction...that's basically calling someone mentally unwell or insane for being thin.2 -
I support the fat-acceptance movement for this reason: I think that everyone, no matter age, race, size, ability, health concerns etc has a right to feel happy and confident about themselves. Period. A lot of criticism of the FAM is masked as concern for overweight peoples' physical health, but if we really cared we'd also be harping just as hard on everyone else to get their 30 minutes a day/eat more fruits and veg/quit smoking/lower cholesterol/lower blood pressure/wear sunscreen. But that rarely happens. Not to mention the complete disregard for their mental health as constant bullying/discrimination rarely puts someone in a healthy or productive state of mind.
I agree that there are valid concerns about obesity being correlated with poor health outcomes, but ultimately that's between the person and their doctor, not some rando on the street or a "well-meaning" coworker. Overweight people generally are aware of their size. They get it. Don't bully them because of it, or complain about your taxes paying for their healthcare. My taxes help subsidize all kinds of people with preventable health problems, but since I'm a firm believer in a human's right to healthcare, I don't mind. Instead of giving mean-spirited, unsolicited opinions on their weight, how about you help them with their weight loss goals/health goals IF THEY DIRECTLY APPROACH YOU FOR YOUR ADVICE. Otherwise, back off and let them live their lives. Not your life, not your choice.
This makes a good point. Society really doesn't shame other people with unhealthy habits leading to preventable health problems in the same way as we shame fat people. We don't lecture thin people who subsist on a diet of Red Bulls and potato chips and say that their diet choices are a drain on society, even though they can have bad health markers, as well. We have sympathy for the person who spent their teens and twenties baking in the sun only to get aggressive melanoma in their 50s.
I have to disagree on the thin shaming thing. It is exactly like fat shaming only it's the opposite side of the same coin. The only reason that fat shaming is more prevalent is because 68% of the population is fat (overweight or obese) and only 8% of the population is thin ( underweight) so of course fat shaming is going to happen more overall.
But the frequency it happens to the individuals is just as much if not more for thin people today. The whole men want meat not bones...thin shaming. Real women have curves...thin shaming. No man is attracted to a girl with the body of a twelve year old boy...thin shaming. Shut up and eat a cheeseburger. Do you even eat? You eat like a bird/rabbit. Ewww your arms are like sticks/I can see ribs/knobby knees that's GROSS. If you stood sideways and stuck your tongue out, you'd look like a zipper. Ha ha Olive Oil....you'd fall in the toliet if you're not careful. You have a disgusting body, your boobs are like two beans on an ironing board. Are you ok? Don't faint on me you're too thin, what do you do? Live on crisps and diet soda? You know if you get too thin, your teeth and hair falls out. And on and on.
I wasn't referring to thin-shaming in the way you described. I agree that it does happen and I think it's bullkitten and no one should be shamed for how they look one way or the other. I'm talking about the false "concern for your health" argument that society throws at fat people. We don't DIET shame normal weight people who subsist on very unhealthy foods - so do we (as a society) really care about some stranger's health as much as we pretend to? Do we (as a society) sun shame people getting burned or deeply tanned at the beach every summer? Do we (as a society) shame people who live on nicotine and caffeine? It's a double standard and the idea that we AS A SOCIETY are only fat shaming people be cause we "care about them being unhealthy" is completely dishonest.
Nope. Sorry disagree. We AS A SOCIETY thin shame people out of supposed concern for their health all the time...what do you think the don't faint/ you'll lose your hair and teeth was referring to? Just today I read a news article in the Sun that was all about them"alarming" weight loss of a celebrity and the comments were about how she'd lost "too much weight" and looked "unhealthily frail." And how it was "not a good look". If a similar article had appeared about a Tess Holliday with similar fat Shane comments...there would have been a huge boycotting uproar. But I bet you didn't even hear about this thin shaming article because society accepts thin shaming MORE than fat shaming now. Too thin people get called "anorexic" all the time or accused of having another eating disorder or an exercise addiction...that's basically calling someone mentally unwell or insane for being thin.
Yes! I've been thin most of my life and get this all the time. Furthermore it seems to be acceptable to say things like,why don't you eat more,you need fattening up - yet I wouldn't dream of saying to am overweight person,why don't you put the fork down! People make assumptions:I'm anorexic, I'm depressed,I can't carry heavy things,none of which are true. In fact it turned out to be caused by an undiagnosed autoimmune condition but most thin people are perfectly healthy.6 -
WendyLeigh1119 wrote: »The fact is that all this nonsense about how "it could affect my taxes" and "their future disability and healthcare could be my problem!" is only being mentioned because they want to mistreat obese people and feel justified in doing so.
You don't hear anyone talking about fake breasts and how they are 100% choice and could "totally cause health problems" and make them a "taxpayer problem". Because big breasts are popular and accepted, but "fat" isn't.
I wish these people would just admit they're shallow and biased because society told them it's ok, rather than watch them do Olympic Level, armchair-lawyering to try to justify their prejudice.
How do you logically get from "I don't want to pay for this" to "want to mistreat"?
Much irony in this post.
Irony doesn't mean what you think it means, evidently.
It's obvious to anyone with a brain that this was a random example. Thousands of others are available. I don't want to pay for ther healthcare and Welfare of people who refuse to use birth control because of Jesus (or whatever) and have 10 babies, but I'm not out trying to shame them and tell them they don't have a right to live how they see fit. And they have "movements as well.
Countless examples of people doing potentially harmful, unhealthy stuff and no one cares...but being "fat" is *apparently* different? No.4 -
I support every human's right to feel comfortable in their own skin regardless of weight, height, race, faith, gender, sexual orientation, health, disability, eye colour, hair colour, teeth straightness, favourite sports team etc.
I don't support the fat acceptance movement - and the same rhetoric espoused by the fat acceptance movement has also crept into the body positivity movement - because it has turned into a cause filled with hypocrisy, entitlement and promotes an unhealthy lifestyle, often resorting to naming SCIENTIFIC FACT as 'fatphobia.' (see post above regarding Ragen Chastain telling a girl to ignore her doctor in the face of blindness)
The hypocrisy of the FA movement is what gets me.
Fat Acceptance/Body Positivity advocates will claim "My food intake has no bearing on my weight" while telling women under 200lbs to "eat a cheeseburger."
FA/BP advocates will claim that "You're not a doctor, you can't make assumptions on my health based on my weight" while instantly diagnosing any woman under 200lbs with anorexia nervosa. Not only can they make a 100% accurate assumption on their health based on a photo, they can also judge their mental state, too. A FA/BP advocate posts a stream of selfies describing themselves as a "perfect, fierce, beautiful warrior Goddess" - perfectly fine. A slimmer woman posts a pic and she's "vain/shallow/stuck-up/conceited/attention seeking."
FA/BP claim that fatphobia is lurking in every corner, but it's perfectly OK to call somebody a "skinny b*tch/twig/anorexic/body of a 12 year-old boy." Tearing others down to make yourself feel better? Really? If it's health at every size, then shouldn't that include people.....you know, of EVERY size?
Posting all kinds of memes about "Real men" who will love every inch. All of said memes contain an overweight woman with a slimmer man. Dare to ask why they wouldn't date a man equally as overweight as they are and without a hint of irony, the reply will be "We shouldn't have to lower our standards." Do you know what? They are right. Everybody IS entitled to their preferences, but when those preferences include a REQUIREMENT for people to bring qualities to the table that you yourself have no intention of displaying then it becomes unrealistic and reeks of entitlement. Again, the notion of "We deserve fit partners, but people as fat as me? They can go jump off a cliff onto a bed of spikes" highlights the hypocrisy of the fat acceptance/body positivity movement.
I can't be bothered repeating myself regarding the recent posts tackling the skinny shaming and double standards surrounding it, so I'll just quote one of my posts from earlier in the thread.
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