Diary open am I eating right? I am not losing anymore!!
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Well, eff my life. Because I'm not registered for summer semester I can't access Galileo.
Oh, well. Carry on.
A LIKELY story :laugh:
Believe what you want to. I just spent a good 15 minutes trying to figure out why I couldn't log in just to prove a point and raged to the kind library folk only to find out that li'l gem. Booo.0 -
Why did my Pokemon post get removed??
Like, seriously. It was light hearted and funny.
Mods, man. They had no childhood.
I totally <3ed that, made me laugh. They can erase it from the board, but they can't erase it from my memory!0 -
Why did my Pokemon post get removed??
Like, seriously. It was light hearted and funny.
Mods, man. They had no childhood.
That's right. Calling people an 'idiot' or 'asshat' is okay, but if you make a joke about pokemon, that's it!0 -
What is your point? That she should be reporting actual minutes breastfeeding everyday, or that if the above person can't site a reputable study that supports that breastfeeding burns calories, then obviously breastfeeding doesn't contribute to calorie burn. Why not just drop it?
If there's no concrete evidence it burns significant calories, it shouldn't be counted. That's my point.
This person is TROLLING you. Please ignore him.
Anyone who knows anything understands that nursing burns a ton of calories. When I was pregnant, I had a hard time gaining weight. My doctor lectured me about how nursing burns more calories than pregnancy does and wanted to make sure I kept up supplementing my diet with high cal, high protein shakes. Which I did.
And to just add to this:
A baby is born at 7 lbs. Survives solely off of breast milk for at least 6 months. After that, often predominantly breast milk for another few months.
A 6 month old baby has grown to an average weight of 16 lbs. In that time, they also moved a lot (ever hold a baby), cried a lot, and around 7 months they are learning to crawl (a huge endeavor if you have ever watched it).
(This is all stuff you can find easily in your family, in your community, on the internet, or ask a doctor)
Here is some information about how much nutrients and calories are in the milk consumed by baby (logically, this comes from mama's diet): http://www.parentingscience.com/calories-in-breast-milk.html
The accepted burn for mom is 20 cals per ounce of breastmilk (http://www.shape.com/lifestyle/mind-and-body/perks-and-health-benefits-breastfeeding)0 -
Hi Jennifer cute kids.
The part you are doing right is adding cals burned for breastfeeding. 300 is on the low end of the range but it's still ok.
The part you are NOT doing right is you are not looking at your NET CALS. On your newsfeed page you will see a word that says NET CALS and a number that you might not want to fall too low since you are nursing and just in general it's not good to have it go too low. That's how much your body is actually functioning on after all your exercise cals and breastfeeding cals are subtracted. If that number is less than 1200 it's too low. It's just not enough energy to survive, have energy, and keep your hair and nails.
You look kind of tall from your profile pics. I'm wondering if you shouldn't have a higher cal goal anyways overall?
There are lots of websites online that help you calculate a good calorie goal specific to you but I'm not sure they incorporate breastfeeding which does indeed require more calories. Not because it's "exercise" but because the body needs those extra calories to produce the milk. So if I were you I would do the following:
1) I would go look at a website like "scooby" or find anything that will help you calculate a TDEE cal goal personal to YOU.
THEN I would go see a lactation specialist or just research online how many extra calories you need to consume for breastfeeding a lactation or nutrition specialist seems like a good idea, no?
2) Then I would either log that number daily as negative calories as you are doing by placing them in your exercise calories OR just add that total to your calorie goal for the day. It does you no good to add your breastfeeding calories to your exercise calories IF YOU DO NOT EAT THEM BACK. Does that make sense.
You are currenly eating like a very tiny short thin single woman who does not breastfeed and is inactive. 1200 cals
Then when you subtract the calories necessary for breastfeeding -300 cals (the low end)
and the calories you burn thru exercise 300-400 (appx)
You are surviving on very very few calories each day which is not enough for anyone. appx 500-600 for example today.
as per your diary.
I hope this makes sense to you because your baby needs you to eat enough to get that good milk from you. Your other kids also need you to eat enough to have energy. Your beauty needs you to eat enough to keep your gorgeous long hair. I wish my hair looked like that with just ONE kid, having three, I'd look like medusa. Lol. Good luck, you got this.:flowerforyou:
(p.s. Batman just didn't know about nursing. No biggie. Let him see himself out of this thread. It's okay batman just stick to wearing leather and standing there looking cute.)0 -
Why did my Pokemon post get removed??
Like, seriously. It was light hearted and funny.
Mods, man. They had no childhood.
That's right. Calling people an 'idiot' or 'asshat' is okay, but if you make a joke about pokemon, that's it!
All I see is "waaaaaaah, I insulted people and don't like getting a dose of my own medicine, waaaaaah!"0 -
(p.s. Batman just didn't know about nursing. No biggie. Let him see himself out of this thread. It's okay batman just stick to wearing leather and standing there looking cute.)
I'm not wearing hockey pads!0 -
And to just add to this:
A baby is born at 7 lbs. Survives solely off of breast milk for at least 6 months. After that, often predominantly breast milk for another few months.
A 6 month old baby has grown to an average weight of 16 lbs. In that time, they also moved a lot (ever hold a baby), cried a lot, and around 7 months they are learning to crawl (a huge endeavor if you have ever watched it).
(This is all stuff you can find easily in your family, in your community, on the internet, or ask a doctor)
Here is some information about how much nutrients and calories are in the milk consumed by baby (logically, this comes from mama's diet): http://www.parentingscience.com/calories-in-breast-milk.html
The accepted burn for mom is 20 cals per ounce of breastmilk (http://www.shape.com/lifestyle/mind-and-body/perks-and-health-benefits-breastfeeding)
Please do not feed the troll: CorvusCorax770 -
Why did my Pokemon post get removed??
Like, seriously. It was light hearted and funny.
Mods, man. They had no childhood.
I totally <3ed that, made me laugh. They can erase it from the board, but they can't erase it from my memory!
Teehee!
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I have spent just under 3.5 years of my life nursing my 2 babies :flowerforyou: (ETA: and counting!).
First of all, exclusively breastfeeding will use about 300-500 calories per day over and above your normal BMR+activity (as you wean, this will obviously decrease - you can assume approximately 20 calories per ounce produced). It essentially increases your NEAT (non-exercise activity thermogenesis). A PP is correct in that it is not "exercise" in the most technical sense of the word, but it ABSOLUTELY MUST be accounted for in a breastfeeding mother's calorie intake or else she risks undereating and decreased milk supply. Since MFP does not have a "breastfeeding" setting, breastfeeding mothers have to find other ways to include it. You can either (a) just create a custom calorie goal, (b) use the "negative" calorie food entry (which I don't like because it doesn't account for appropriate macro distribution), or (c) add it in as an exercise every day, as the OP has done. No, there's no way to know exactly how much more a breastfeeding mother burns every day through lactation, but adding in 300 calories (the minimum for a typical EBF mother) is a perfectly reasonable approach.
OP, I would suggest eating a little more. If you're doing cardio and you don't want to eat back those calories, fine, but at least eat back what you're attributing yourself for nursing and set your deficit for 1lb/week. 1500 calories per day (consumed, not net) should be your absolute, rock bottom, bare minimum, and ideally even more than that (whatever 500/day deficit + at least 300 extra per day gets you to). Try that and see what happens.
Oh, and some links for the non-believers:
http://kellymom.com/nutrition/mothers-diet/mom-calories-fluids/
http://www.babycenter.com/0_diet-for-a-healthy-breastfeeding-mom_3565.bc?page=1
http://www.llli.org/nb/nbmarapr04p44.html
http://www.today.com/id/13554430/ns/today-today_health/t/answering-your-questions-about-breastfeeding/#.UfGfWKx0uVo
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/breastfeeding-nutrition/MY020150 -
My point is someone cannot accurately gauge the calories 'burnt' breast feeding. If someone is unable to do so, at the very least they need to underestimate the calories 'burnt'.
With food you can be almost entirely accurate if you eat the foods you can absolutely measure. Exercise a little less. Arbitrary bodily functions, even less so.0 -
My point is someone cannot accurately gauge the calories 'burnt' breast feeding. If someone is unable to do so, at the very least they need to underestimate the calories 'burnt'.
With food you can be almost entirely accurate if you eat the foods you can absolutely measure. Exercise a little less. Arbitrary bodily functions, even less so.
I will concede that for a typical human attempting to create a calorie deficit to lose weight with no outside factors, this would be true (even though how many calories burned by nursing has been pretty well established by the medical community).
However, no breastfeeding mother should take this advice and risk the nutrition of their infant child by doing this. It's a completely different situation when your body is nourishing two human beings. Additionally, the OP may find that (contrary to popular wisdom) it's just going to be difficult to lose weight until she stops nursing, simply due to the way that hormones are reacting in her body. Sometimes it just happens that way, and it can even be different from baby to baby for the same individual. But there's no way to know this without some trial and error, and with the OP currently eating so few calories it's clear that the next step is to try to increase them.
So, basically, it's possible that you're a little right, but you're still mostly wrong and in no position to be advising this woman on this topic.0 -
Eat Woman! Feed your baby and your body. Dont worry about the scale especially when you are breastfeeding and you know those things can fill up pretty fast.
Focus on something else like getting more calcium in, walking a bit further, fitting into a smaller pant, lifting more weights..whatever you want. Just only use the scale as a reference now.
Breastfeeding is so much more important to the health and overall being of your child than a stuck scale.0 -
My point is someone cannot accurately gauge the calories 'burnt' breast feeding. If someone is unable to do so, at the very least they need to underestimate the calories 'burnt'.
With food you can be almost entirely accurate if you eat the foods you can absolutely measure. Exercise a little less. Arbitrary bodily functions, even less so.
She is already under estimating that. At 7 months with no supplemental food, it could be as high as 800 calories a day.
The "average" is 20 calories per ounce of milk. I'm sure she can figure out how many ounces she is producing and adjust accordingly. You feed 2.5 oz of milk per 1 lb of baby weight, A 7 month old is about 16 lbs. 16x2.5x20=800 calories. Of course, this is assuming the baby is only eating breast milk.
If you use MFP for how many calories you burn running, you are also getting an estimate. It's not an accurate tool, to be honest.
I'm not understanding why you are so caught up on this, other than you enjoy being the center of attention.
OP: It seems to me like you are doing everything right, except it seems like you are nursing, working out, and some days only eating 1200 cals. I'm not sure why you would do that intentionally. I agree with those who think you should up your cals. The reason I think this is because you are doing some body weight resistance training and I think that changes the game some. Worse case scenario, you try it and it doesn't work. Maybe you could do a refeed and see how that goes.
Also, you could try using an HRM to see what you are really burning on your activities and adjust accordingly (of course, an HRM won't tell you what you burn Nursing, naturally).
If I were you, I'd try doing some HIIT for the hecks of it.0 -
My point is someone cannot accurately gauge the calories 'burnt' breast feeding. If someone is unable to do so, at the very least they need to underestimate the calories 'burnt'.
With food you can be almost entirely accurate if you eat the foods you can absolutely measure. Exercise a little less. Arbitrary bodily functions, even less so.
She is already under estimating that.
That, too.0 -
how long has it been since a loss?
what exercise do you do, have you had any "days off" and ate something different? what are you stats, height weight ?
I looked at your diary, it looks good, but I think that mfp over estimates exercise calories, so when I went to tdee method -20% I started losing again:)
Louise
5 ' 7 Starting Weight: 184
Current weight: 174
Started diet exercising: May 20th, 2013 approx 2 months and a couple days
Mon-Fri 10 am : 150 squats
12 pm: Walking 30 mins briskly
3:00 pm: 50 squats
6:00pm-7:00pm: 30 Day Shred Jillian Michaels
Wednesday: Weights 10 lbs (20) mins
Friday: Weights 10 lbs (20) mins
Saturday & Sunday: Rest
eat more protein, less sugar. do more cardio - intense - not walking. the weight routine is weird that you do. i would recommend logging onto body building.com and signing up for the jamie eason live fit 12 week workout plans. they are emailed to you weekly and you just do whats on the menu. easy... works!0 -
how long has it been since a loss?
what exercise do you do, have you had any "days off" and ate something different? what are you stats, height weight ?
I looked at your diary, it looks good, but I think that mfp over estimates exercise calories, so when I went to tdee method -20% I started losing again:)
Louise
And how are they wierd? I have been pregnant back to back for the last 2 years and came from doing ZERO activity? I do this routine on my break schedule as I work Full Time Mon-Fri! so its really not wierd at all.
5 ' 7 Starting Weight: 184
Current weight: 174
Started diet exercising: May 20th, 2013 approx 2 months and a couple days
Mon-Fri 10 am : 150 squats
12 pm: Walking 30 mins briskly
3:00 pm: 50 squats
6:00pm-7:00pm: 30 Day Shred Jillian Michaels
Wednesday: Weights 10 lbs (20) mins
Friday: Weights 10 lbs (20) mins
Saturday & Sunday: Rest
eat more protein, less sugar. do more cardio - intense - not walking. the weight routine is weird that you do. i would recommend logging onto body building.com and signing up for the jamie eason live fit 12 week workout plans. they are emailed to you weekly and you just do whats on the menu. easy... works!
And how are they wierd? I have been pregnant back to back for the last 2 years and came from doing ZERO activity? I do this routine on my break schedule as I work Full Time Mon-Fri! so its really not wierd at all. Thanks for the advice0 -
Jen, I think you should check out this web page, go to tdee-20%how long has it been since a loss?
what exercise do you do, have you had any "days off" and ate something different? what are you stats, height weight ?
I looked at your diary, it looks good, but I think that mfp over estimates exercise calories, so when I went to tdee method -20% I started losing again:)
Louise
5 ' 7 Starting Weight: 184
Current weight: 174
Started diet exercising: May 20th, 2013 approx 2 months and a couple days
Mon-Fri 10 am : 150 squats
12 pm: Walking 30 mins briskly
3:00 pm: 50 squats
6:00pm-7:00pm: 30 Day Shred Jillian Michaels
Wednesday: Weights 10 lbs (20) mins
Friday: Weights 10 lbs (20) mins
Saturday & Sunday: Rest
http://www.drlisawatson.com/weight-loss-plateau0 -
Take a look at your exercise, I see a number of days with over 750+ exercise calories. That seems like an awful lot, I burn ~550 in during most of the month 1 Insanity videos and I'm a 5'10" 200lb man. Don't count daily activities like cleaning, work or casual walking around the home or office as exercise, just your actual workouts.
Not an awful lot at all, I regularly burn 700 +, using Polar FT4 HRM, doing my cycling(80 minutes for around 730), elliptical (660 per hour) or running. In fact, I can burn up to 700 in an hour running and I am 140Ibs. It depends on the intensity of the workout, among other factors.0 -
My point is someone cannot accurately gauge the calories 'burnt' breast feeding. If someone is unable to do so, at the very least they need to underestimate the calories 'burnt'.
With food you can be almost entirely accurate if you eat the foods you can absolutely measure. Exercise a little less. Arbitrary bodily functions, even less so.
She is already under estimating that. At 7 months with no supplemental food, it could be as high as 800 calories a day.
The "average" is 20 calories per ounce of milk. I'm sure she can figure out how many ounces she is producing and adjust accordingly. You feed 2.5 oz of milk per 1 lb of baby weight, A 7 month old is about 16 lbs. 16x2.5x20=800 calories. Of course, this is assuming the baby is only eating breast milk.
If you use MFP for how many calories you burn running, you are also getting an estimate. It's not an accurate tool, to be honest.
I'm not understanding why you are so caught up on this, other than you enjoy being the center of attention.
OP: It seems to me like you are doing everything right, except it seems like you are nursing, working out, and some days only eating 1200 cals. I'm not sure why you would do that intentionally. I agree with those who think you should up your cals. The reason I think this is because you are doing some body weight resistance training and I think that changes the game some. Worse case scenario, you try it and it doesn't work. Maybe you could do a refeed and see how that goes.
Also, you could try using an HRM to see what you are really burning on your activities and adjust accordingly (of course, an HRM won't tell you what you burn Nursing, naturally).
If I were you, I'd try doing some HIIT for the hecks of it.
My little one just turned 6 months she is 21 lbs
chubby one.... Which I pride myself in since all that is BREASTMILK... Thank I might just try that. I pump/nurse 30 oz + daily.0
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