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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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estherdragonbat wrote: »Going to the library wasn't difficult, depending on where you lived, though. I was walking distance from two, not counting the one at my school. I also used to buy calorie counter paperbacks at the book store.
Agreed, and I actually think that learning to research things in books made me more able to evaluate information. I fear that lots of people think you can google something on the internet (or read it on Facebook) and trust it, which is terrifying.
I do like that a lot more information is on packages, as you said, and where I live at chain restaurants (I mostly don't go to chain restaurants, but I like that the information is available for those who do).But overall, I think people generally know the basics and don't eat like they're the poster children for the recurring strawman argument on these boards, consuming nothing but french fries and Little Debbie's.
YES -- or if they do eat the SAD (or whatever), they acknowledge it's because that's how they want to eat, and don't pretend they have no idea that vegetables are good for you or that excessive sweets is often high cal and not high in micronutrients or satiety (although people may find on satiety that their personal experience varies).
I really don't think one could read MFP and not realize that protein and vegetables and fiber and healthy fats and so on are important, unless one has a preexisting commitment to another way of eating that cites sources that disagree (keto or some versions of vegan or raw or what not).0 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »Jack Lalanes advice from 1960 was right on the money.
No coffee, no butter, no added sugar at all (because it's worse than cigarettes), no so-called "processed foods" (although he ate a bunch at restaurants so long as they added no salt and butter), and absolutely no dairy (because it's for suckling calves).
Really?
Okay, cool. I don't agree, but cool.
Lalane was a zealot and his professional image was intertwined with his lifestyle habits, so he was one of the rare people who could sustain this type of regiment. For the rest of us, this level of restriction is unsustainable and in light of current nutritional knowledge, unnecessary.
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Yeah, guess I grew up in the Dark Ages (13 years old in 1960). The best thing about Jack Lalanne was his beautiful German shepherd.2
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amusedmonkey wrote: »I'm curious about one thing, why is it ACV specifically? I'm partial to raspberry vinegar and hate the taste of apple cider vinegar. Could we make the former trendy please?
Isn't it something about the "mother" or some other weirdness specific to ACV?
Yes, I think so (though the popularized mythology probably also depends on Bragg and other acolytes/profiteers talking it up more abstractly).
In reality, I don't think "the mother" is inherently ACV specific: "Mother" is simply the culture that makes vinegar happen (just as you need culture to make yogurt yogurt, or sourdough sourdough).
I'm a science fan-girl, big time, but also a bit experimental in my behavior, when I think there's a moderately high probability bet to be made involving a food I find tasty, and that's clearly been evolution tested for safety. ACV (with mother
) is one.
There's some interesting (but inconclusive and non-definitive) science growing around human gut microbiome diversity. We definitely don't know enough to be prescriptive. Nonetheless, I personally feel there's enough "interesting stuff" that it makes sense to make it a point to regularly eat pro/prebiotic foods that are delicious, time-tested, and nutritious.
For me, that includes foods like kefir, yogurt, sauerkraut, miso, raw ACV, and the like. I see no down side (though some do need to avoid salt-cured fermented foods because of health issues).
This might be unpopular.
Interesting about the "mother" - I didn't realize vinegar was made with a culture. I agree that as a fermented food ACV could potentially have some positive impact on gut microbiome diversity. I'm with AmusedMonkey, though, wouldn't any type of vinegar have the same effect? Why ACV in particular?
ACV seems to be the only one that's widely available raw, unfiltered and unpasteurized. If other types of vinegar were available in that form, they'd have the same effect (or lack thereof ) AFAIK.
Edited: typo
I don't know if it relates to the popularity of Bragg's mother marketing, but I saw red wine vinegar with the mother at WF a couple of days ago.1 -
I, honestly, believe that my meds had a strong influence on my mood/metabolism/mindset/lifestyle and greatly increased my chances of gaining weight/appetite/lack of motivation/lack of exercise/sleep!! Until you've taken the amount of drugs that "may cause weight gain" and sleeping pills that I was prescribed, until you were a zombie, and until you have felt completely emotionless ... Until you watched the scale read 10lbs heavier every month for 6 months straight after starting said medications, and until you are able to slow your weight gain down only after you start tapering off the medications.. Then I think you have NO idea about how medications can affect your mood and therefore your weight.
I completely blame the medications I was on for making me gain 80lbs in a year. It is unfathomably easier to manage my weight/appetite/activity level without the medications.
So.. I guess my unpopular opinion about health and weight loss is that medications really can cause weight gain and can make it much more difficult to lose.10 -
People don't disagree that medications cause mood changes and that mood and physical well-being can affect how easy it is to control weight, I don't think. They are pointing out that there's an intermediary in the causal link -- the medication does not directly affect weight (thereby causing weight gain without something like a change in CO or CI). It generally causes some thing else (increased appetite, less energy, mood changes) that results in changes in activity or food consumption (or how much you pay attention or care) that itself affects mood.
I initially gained a bunch of weight when suffering from depression and anxiety. Being depressed did not cause the weight gain -- that I stopped all of the activity I'd been doing and to some extent self-medicated with eating did (and that I could not seem to make myself care at all played the biggest role). I think being clear about the specific reasons for the weight gain (eating and activity changes) as well as understanding some of the underlying reasons are both helpful for me (and neither means my weight is not within my responsibility or control, although I don't feel at all guilty or bad or whatever for gaining weight, because why would that make sense -- I feel good about losing it though, and felt really good when I was in the process of losing it).7 -
JerSchmare wrote: »^^^sort of. But, I am completely amazed at the average persons level of understanding about dieting. Things people say at work just blow my mind. I have to mostly keep quiet. And these are smart, intelligent people.
So, take that, and then enter the way back machine where information was not at your finger tips.
Since we've speculated hereabout "normal" eating in the 1950s-60s, I've posted a separate thread with images from a book, "Family Meals and Hospitality", by Lewis/Peckham/Hovey, 1960 edition. It was my high school Home Economics class book.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10625791/mainstream-eating-guidance-1960
Funnily enough, even in late 2017, this information was still right at my fingertips . . . just as it was 50 +/- years ago, and about as mainstream as you can get.
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Fit meat head bodybuilder or fat couth potato -if you are huge, you are going to be in my cath lab at an earlier age than your peers.5
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I don't think protein is as important as people make it out to be. I reached my lowest weight, and body fat, with protein 40-75 grams. Updated DEXA scan showed no muscle loss either. My mother isn't very fond of protein or meat as well. Her diet has always been plant heavy and unsaturated fat heavy while not much protein or meat (think Mediterranean). She used to model when she was my age. She's pretty fit for a woman in her 50's.11
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KrazyKrissyy wrote: »I don't think protein is as important as people make it out to be. I reached my lowest weight, and body fat, with protein 40-75 grams. Updated DEXA scan showed no muscle loss either. My mother isn't very fond of protein or meat as well. Her diet has always been plant heavy and unsaturated fat heavy while not much protein or meat (think Mediterranean). She used to model when she was my age. She's pretty fit for a woman in her 50's.
If you lost weight you lost muscle...that's just a fact of life.
Dexa scans aren't 100% either.
Protein is important if you are doing resistance training to help repair the muscles and you need that if you want to build muscles.
and last but not least protein helps keep you feeling fuller longer...
So it is as important as any of the other macros...and to get up to 75 grams of protein is pretty good considering the RDA for a sedentary female is 46 grams...4 -
Fit meat head bodybuilder or fat couth potato -if you are huge, you are going to be in my cath lab at an earlier age than your peers.
Got picked on by a "meat head" did you?
I like how you assume that it's not possible for a "bodybuilder" to have great cardiovascular health. You do understand that there is a "cap" on how huge a bodybuilder can get based on genetics? That cap is much much lower than most people realize because people get so used to seeing Mr. Olympia types of excess/bodies in the media. A man or woman, at their genetic NATURAL muscular maximum can be fit and have great cardiovascular health and be in no extra danger of developing heart problems. In fact, I'd wager that a bodybuilder that minds his cardio and who maintains a healthy body fat ratio is at reduced risk of such problems compared to a normal weight person who is relatively sedentary.7 -
Thinking about doing 30 minutes physical exercise for 30 minutes is about 25% as effective as the generally expected real world results as really doing the activity. Crazy but there is a measurable different in most cases.2
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It's becoming an unpopular opinion but I really believe that keto diets are unhealthy.
Unless you are eating offal, which most don't seem to be I believe you will be short of your micro nutrients.
It worries me to see so many new posters this week thinking keto is the way to eat to lose weight in a healthy sustainable way.12 -
I've heard the general idea about running being the worst way to get into "good shape" is gaining popularity again. Like most other oversimplifications of generalic health advice, this one swings in and out of favour. Depending on veritables like age, body tyoe so its easy to see why this one can be a hot patato.4
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That's lots of buzz around intermittent fasting. The general consensus seems to change alot more so then other calorie confusion type ideas
My opinion is the short cycle format intermittent fasting general demands dosent do the job as well. I've tried both.
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Not my opinion but: "only if you go outside it counts as exercise".
So what I am doing in the gym (cardio or weights or whatever) does not count because it has a roof?2 -
dutchandkiwi wrote: »Not my opinion but: "only if you go outside it counts as exercise".
So what I am doing in the gym (cardio or weights or whatever) does not count because it has a roof?
i had a gym buddy that sud the same thing. I asked him why his a mrmber...Low restance cario workout he replied. ... he didn't get the irony.2 -
Very not my opinion but its said. ... "overweight/ un-toned people can't/shouldn't give health / fitness advice".... in reality there is the oplar view that if somone has never had to live through weight management might miss things through lack of practice experience that somone who has may not. And you can't judge a book by its cover.0
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RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »It's becoming an unpopular opinion but I really believe that keto diets are unhealthy.
Unless you are eating offal, which most don't seem to be I believe you will be short of your micro nutrients.
It worries me to see so many new posters this week thinking keto is the way to eat to lose weight in a healthy sustainable way.
I haven't seen as many things like ACV and raspberry ketones as in last January's on MFP but I agree the keto craze has a whole new set of followers in early 2018. I'm on a Facebook group for the InstantPot (pressure cooker) and it's astonishing to me how many of those folks are starting on the keto bandwagon too. Where's the new buzz coming from, any idea?5 -
WinoGelato wrote: »RuNaRoUnDaFiEld wrote: »It's becoming an unpopular opinion but I really believe that keto diets are unhealthy.
Unless you are eating offal, which most don't seem to be I believe you will be short of your micro nutrients.
It worries me to see so many new posters this week thinking keto is the way to eat to lose weight in a healthy sustainable way.
I haven't seen as many things like ACV and raspberry ketones as in last January's on MFP but I agree the keto craze has a whole new set of followers in early 2018. I'm on a Facebook group for the InstantPot (pressure cooker) and it's astonishing to me how many of those folks are starting on the keto bandwagon too. Where's the new buzz coming from, any idea?
I saw i few items pop up of fuzzfeed early December. Msy be part of it. You know the echo chamber effect.
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