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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?

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  • quiksylver296
    quiksylver296 Posts: 28,439 Member
    CSARdiver wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm Haribo Gummy Bears and Tootsie Pops kinda guy. Best fuel out there.

    Add my vote for Haribo Gummy Bears as well.

    Wrong. Sour Patch Kids.

    I keep telling you people... :|



    :D:p;)

    Oooh, but Haribo Gummy Peaches! Those are soooo good.

    I re-rebut:

    Bourbon Gummy Bears

    g1seidm878kv.png

    Intriguing!
  • L1zardQueen
    L1zardQueen Posts: 8,753 Member
    CSARdiver wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm Haribo Gummy Bears and Tootsie Pops kinda guy. Best fuel out there.

    Add my vote for Haribo Gummy Bears as well.

    Wrong. Sour Patch Kids.

    I keep telling you people... :|



    :D:p;)

    Oooh, but Haribo Gummy Peaches! Those are soooo good.

    I re-rebut:

    Bourbon Gummy Bears

    g1seidm878kv.png

    Are these good for long hikes?
  • CSARdiver
    CSARdiver Posts: 6,252 Member
    I get slammed for saying GMO's exist and are responsible for tons of health issues involving americans daily

    GMO exists; however there is no evidence suggesting that this is responsible for "tons of health issues involving Americans daily."
  • peleroja
    peleroja Posts: 3,979 Member
    CSARdiver wrote: »
    Carlos_421 wrote: »
    Hornsby wrote: »
    I'm Haribo Gummy Bears and Tootsie Pops kinda guy. Best fuel out there.

    Add my vote for Haribo Gummy Bears as well.

    Wrong. Sour Patch Kids.

    I keep telling you people... :|



    :D:p;)

    Oooh, but Haribo Gummy Peaches! Those are soooo good.

    I re-rebut:

    Bourbon Gummy Bears

    g1seidm878kv.png

    Are these good for long hikes?

    I see this as a hiking win-win, clearly. No need to drag a heavy bottle of bourbon with you, plus the energy hit :lol:

    Those look so much better than the slimy ones we used to soak in vodka before parties and eat in my university days...
  • Penthesilea514
    Penthesilea514 Posts: 1,189 Member
    GMOs exist- the FDA literally has regulations around the voluntary labeling of food products regarding their origin:

    https://www.fda.gov/food/guidanceregulation/guidancedocumentsregulatoryinformation/labelingnutrition/ucm059098.htm
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.

    I don't agree with your doctor

    Are you a HAES proponent?

    Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.

    In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.

    I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.

    as I've said from the beginning: my opinion is that the best thing you can do is make positive lifestyle changes like eating more nutrient dense foods, improving your emotional relationship with foods, using exercise to increase your ability level, etc. I feel that weight loss is a natural byproduct of these choices but should not be the focus.

    Weight loss was my focus.

    It still is. But I had to form healthy habits to achieve it.

    Po-tay-to, Po-tah-to.

    Or is this a chicken/egg argument at this point, I've lost track.

    I have to ask why other people's motives/goals/focus matter so much to you?
  • MJ2victory
    MJ2victory Posts: 97 Member
    TR0berts wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.

    I don't agree with your doctor

    Imma go with the opinion of the doctor who sees an array of people of all weights and fitness and illnesses day in day out.

    cool it's almost like this is a forum thread specifically for people to share their opinions.

    It's on the debate board. If you don't want to debate your opinions then this might be the wrong section for you. Why don't people get this?

    If you took the time to look over my posts, I've said the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    That's not debating, though. That's simply sticking your head in the sand, ignoring others' points. Debating would mean arguing actual points, as opposed to just saying that it's your opinion.

    have you read what i've been writing? I am reading posts, analyzing them, and rebutting them. Debating doesn't mean I have to change my mind.
  • Chef_Barbell
    Chef_Barbell Posts: 6,644 Member
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.

    I don't agree with your doctor

    Are you a HAES proponent?

    Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.

    In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.

    I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.

    Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.

    I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.

    Is this like the chicken and the egg? What does it matter? :huh:
  • MJ2victory
    MJ2victory Posts: 97 Member
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    TR0berts wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.

    I don't agree with your doctor

    Imma go with the opinion of the doctor who sees an array of people of all weights and fitness and illnesses day in day out.

    cool it's almost like this is a forum thread specifically for people to share their opinions.

    It's on the debate board. If you don't want to debate your opinions then this might be the wrong section for you. Why don't people get this?

    If you took the time to look over my posts, I've said the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    That's not debating, though. That's simply sticking your head in the sand, ignoring others' points. Debating would mean arguing actual points, as opposed to just saying that it's your opinion.

    have you read what i've been writing? I am reading posts, analyzing them, and rebutting them. Debating doesn't mean I have to change my mind.

    Your way of rebutting is "nah can't be because of weight."

    can you read? I've talked over and over again about healthy lifestyle changes, examples of different motivations and goals.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    I get slammed for saying GMO's exist and are responsible for tons of health issues involving americans daily

    Nobody disputes that GMOs exist. At least nobody rational.

    What health issues are you referring to?
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.

    I don't agree with your doctor

    Are you a HAES proponent?

    Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.

    In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.

    I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.

    Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.

    I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.

    The evidence is that for some conditions merely losing weight, however it is achieved (and there are dramatically different diets followed, including just eating less) makes a huge difference, on average, to the health problems.

    Many people have improvement in blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes/IR, to name just a few issues, just with weight loss.

    I had NO bad test results when I decided to lose weight, despite being about 50+ lbs over a healthy weight by BMI at the time. That doesn't mean that I had no health reasons to lose weight (and I was already eating a nutrient-dense diet, it's a falsehood that all fat people don't care about nutrition, and was active on and off, although I found doing anything much besides walking and light bike riding and some swimming frustrating when that fat). Instead, my obesity was a huge health risk.

    You seem to be saying since I was eating well and at times was active, just being more consistently active is all I should have worried about -- not weight loss, since I had no current health concerns, and apparently not the fact that I was embarrassed about how I looked, wanted to be able to run again and bike better, and really and truly just wanted to enjoy clothes shopping again and not be depressed every time a photo was taken of me.
  • Rammer123
    Rammer123 Posts: 679 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.

    I don't agree with your doctor

    Are you a HAES proponent?

    Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.

    In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.

    I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.

    Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.

    I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.

    The evidence is that for some conditions merely losing weight, however it is achieved (and there are dramatically different diets followed, including just eating less) makes a huge difference, on average, to the health problems.

    Many people have improvement in blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes/IR, to name just a few issues, just with weight loss.

    I had NO bad test results when I decided to lose weight, despite being about 50+ lbs over a healthy weight by BMI at the time. That doesn't mean that I had no health reasons to lose weight (and I was already eating a nutrient-dense diet, it's a falsehood that all fat people don't care about nutrition, and was active on and off, although I found doing anything much besides walking and light bike riding and some swimming frustrating when that fat). Instead, my obesity was a huge health risk.

    You seem to be saying since I was eating well and at times was active, just being more consistently active is all I should have worried about -- not weight loss, since I had no current health concerns, and apparently not the fact that I was embarrassed about how I looked, wanted to be able to run again and bike better, and really and truly just wanted to enjoy clothes shopping again and not be depressed every time a photo was taken of me.

    Why are you twisting this to make it as if he's talking about your emotional health related to the weight?
  • GottaBurnEmAll
    GottaBurnEmAll Posts: 7,722 Member
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    TR0berts wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.

    I don't agree with your doctor

    Imma go with the opinion of the doctor who sees an array of people of all weights and fitness and illnesses day in day out.

    cool it's almost like this is a forum thread specifically for people to share their opinions.

    It's on the debate board. If you don't want to debate your opinions then this might be the wrong section for you. Why don't people get this?

    If you took the time to look over my posts, I've said the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

    That's not debating, though. That's simply sticking your head in the sand, ignoring others' points. Debating would mean arguing actual points, as opposed to just saying that it's your opinion.

    have you read what i've been writing? I am reading posts, analyzing them, and rebutting them. Debating doesn't mean I have to change my mind.

    Your way of rebutting is "nah can't be because of weight."

    can you read? I've talked over and over again about healthy lifestyle changes, examples of different motivations and goals.

    You haven't talked about any different motivations and goals! You feel everyone should be motivated by the desire to pursue a healthy lifestyle.
  • MJ2victory
    MJ2victory Posts: 97 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    MJ2victory wrote: »
    Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.

    I don't agree with your doctor

    Are you a HAES proponent?

    Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.

    In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.

    I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.

    Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.

    I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.

    The evidence is that for some conditions merely losing weight, however it is achieved (and there are dramatically different diets followed, including just eating less) makes a huge difference, on average, to the health problems.

    Many people have improvement in blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes/IR, to name just a few issues, just with weight loss.

    I had NO bad test results when I decided to lose weight, despite being about 50+ lbs over a healthy weight by BMI at the time. That doesn't mean that I had no health reasons to lose weight (and I was already eating a nutrient-dense diet, it's a falsehood that all fat people don't care about nutrition, and was active on and off, although I found doing anything much besides walking and light bike riding and some swimming frustrating when that fat). Instead, my obesity was a huge health risk.

    You seem to be saying since I was eating well and at times was active, just being more consistently active is all I should have worried about -- not weight loss, since I had no current health concerns, and apparently not the fact that I was embarrassed about how I looked, wanted to be able to run again and bike better, and really and truly just wanted to enjoy clothes shopping again and not be depressed every time a photo was taken of me.

    that's really sad. I'm sorry that you felt that way.
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