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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
Oooh, but Haribo Gummy Peaches! Those are soooo good.
I re-rebut:
Bourbon Gummy Bears
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quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
Oooh, but Haribo Gummy Peaches! Those are soooo good.
I re-rebut:
Bourbon Gummy Bears
Intriguing!1 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
Oooh, but Haribo Gummy Peaches! Those are soooo good.
I re-rebut:
Bourbon Gummy Bears
Are these good for long hikes?2 -
danigirl1011 wrote: »I get slammed for saying GMO's exist and are responsible for tons of health issues involving americans daily
GMO exists; however there is no evidence suggesting that this is responsible for "tons of health issues involving Americans daily."3 -
MJ2victory wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Imma go with the opinion of the doctor who sees an array of people of all weights and fitness and illnesses day in day out.
cool it's almost like this is a forum thread specifically for people to share their opinions.
It's on the debate board. If you don't want to debate your opinions then this might be the wrong section for you. Why don't people get this?
If you took the time to look over my posts, I've said the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
The thing you said can objectively be called "false".7 -
RE: Athletes and pre-competition nutrition/a Calorie is just a calorie argument.
Just leaving this here...
In his autobiography Usain Bolt stated that when in Beijing for the World Championships 2015 he was unsure of the local food on offer so ate nothing but McDonalds chicken nugget meals during his stay. 20 nuggets for breakfast, 20 for lunch, and 40 for dinner with apple pie and fries.
He broke 2 world records at that event: 100m - 9.79, 200m - 19.55.
Got to admit, I was really hoping that it mentioned hot fudge sundaes, but alas, no.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a HAES proponent?
Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.
In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.
I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.
Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.16 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
Oooh, but Haribo Gummy Peaches! Those are soooo good.
I re-rebut:
Bourbon Gummy Bears
Are these good for long hikes?
Yes! ....and short hikes, long sits....and short sits.
I became verklempt after seeing that these do no have alcohol in them, but being a problem solver I injected a small bolus of bourbon into each one - quite tasty.12 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
Oooh, but Haribo Gummy Peaches! Those are soooo good.
I re-rebut:
Bourbon Gummy Bears
Are these good for long hikes?
I see this as a hiking win-win, clearly. No need to drag a heavy bottle of bourbon with you, plus the energy hit
Those look so much better than the slimy ones we used to soak in vodka before parties and eat in my university days...2 -
GMOs exist- the FDA literally has regulations around the voluntary labeling of food products regarding their origin:
https://www.fda.gov/food/guidanceregulation/guidancedocumentsregulatoryinformation/labelingnutrition/ucm059098.htm1 -
seekingdaintiness wrote: »That ALL forms of calorie counting, weight loss dieting, food restriction that is not based on DOCTOR DIAGNOSED allergies or orders to cut a food from your diet, exercise intended for "body sculpting", and the like are forms of eating/body dysmorphic disorders that cause anywhere from mild to severe mental and social consequences for those engaging in them; and can (although do not always) lead to severe physical effects in those practicing them. I believe most of the people who use MFP have unrecognized eating or body dysmorphic disorders, mostly orthorexia.
This is a bizarre assertion - my doctor does not recommend any sort of eating guidelines to me as a direct result of the high degree of control I have over my fitness and nutrition. With 70% of the US categorized as obese, the people trying to circumvent unhealthy nutritional habits are the ones with a disorder?
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MJ2victory wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Imma go with the opinion of the doctor who sees an array of people of all weights and fitness and illnesses day in day out.
cool it's almost like this is a forum thread specifically for people to share their opinions.
It's on the debate board. If you don't want to debate your opinions then this might be the wrong section for you. Why don't people get this?
If you took the time to look over my posts, I've said the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
That's not debating, though. That's simply sticking your head in the sand, ignoring others' points. Debating would mean arguing actual points, as opposed to just saying that it's your opinion.13 -
MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a doctor? What qualifications do you have to say that her doctor is wrong for saying that weight loss is the best thing she can do to manager her condition? "How ridiculous" to suppose yourself more qualified to prescribe treatment for a medical condition than a patient's physician...12 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a HAES proponent?
Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.
In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.
I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.
Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.
I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.7 -
MJ2victory wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a HAES proponent?
Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.
In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.
I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.
as I've said from the beginning: my opinion is that the best thing you can do is make positive lifestyle changes like eating more nutrient dense foods, improving your emotional relationship with foods, using exercise to increase your ability level, etc. I feel that weight loss is a natural byproduct of these choices but should not be the focus.
Weight loss was my focus.
It still is. But I had to form healthy habits to achieve it.
Po-tay-to, Po-tah-to.
Or is this a chicken/egg argument at this point, I've lost track.
I have to ask why other people's motives/goals/focus matter so much to you?3 -
MJ2victory wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Imma go with the opinion of the doctor who sees an array of people of all weights and fitness and illnesses day in day out.
cool it's almost like this is a forum thread specifically for people to share their opinions.
It's on the debate board. If you don't want to debate your opinions then this might be the wrong section for you. Why don't people get this?
If you took the time to look over my posts, I've said the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
That's not debating, though. That's simply sticking your head in the sand, ignoring others' points. Debating would mean arguing actual points, as opposed to just saying that it's your opinion.
have you read what i've been writing? I am reading posts, analyzing them, and rebutting them. Debating doesn't mean I have to change my mind.0 -
MJ2victory wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a HAES proponent?
Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.
In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.
I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.
Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.
I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.
Is this like the chicken and the egg? What does it matter? :huh:1 -
MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
That's all right. I do. And the results of my last checkups, both with him and with the vascular surgeon who diagnosed the problem, bear it out.12 -
MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Imma go with the opinion of the doctor who sees an array of people of all weights and fitness and illnesses day in day out.
cool it's almost like this is a forum thread specifically for people to share their opinions.
It's on the debate board. If you don't want to debate your opinions then this might be the wrong section for you. Why don't people get this?
If you took the time to look over my posts, I've said the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
That's not debating, though. That's simply sticking your head in the sand, ignoring others' points. Debating would mean arguing actual points, as opposed to just saying that it's your opinion.
have you read what i've been writing? I am reading posts, analyzing them, and rebutting them. Debating doesn't mean I have to change my mind.
Your way of rebutting is "nah can't be because of weight."14 -
MJ2victory wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a HAES proponent?
Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.
In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.
I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.
Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.
I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.
Wait.
Are you implying that those of us who have experienced health improvements (I have not only joint issues but a set of cholesterol numbers I could share) with weight loss could have experienced similar improvements without the loss of any weight merely through lifestyle change?
Are you suggesting that "health" is entirely "lifestyle" related and weight neutral?10 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a HAES proponent?
Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.
In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.
I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.
Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.
I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.
Is this like the chicken and the egg? What does it matter? :huh:
It matters to me. Tons of people lose weight via unhealthy means and are lauded by it for society simply because their body is smaller. It's a big problem. 95% of people fail at weight loss because they're not actually trying to be healthier, they're just trying to be smaller.5 -
stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Imma go with the opinion of the doctor who sees an array of people of all weights and fitness and illnesses day in day out.
cool it's almost like this is a forum thread specifically for people to share their opinions.
It's on the debate board. If you don't want to debate your opinions then this might be the wrong section for you. Why don't people get this?
If you took the time to look over my posts, I've said the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
That's not debating, though. That's simply sticking your head in the sand, ignoring others' points. Debating would mean arguing actual points, as opposed to just saying that it's your opinion.
have you read what i've been writing? I am reading posts, analyzing them, and rebutting them. Debating doesn't mean I have to change my mind.
Your way of rebutting is "nah can't be because of weight."
can you read? I've talked over and over again about healthy lifestyle changes, examples of different motivations and goals.2 -
danigirl1011 wrote: »I get slammed for saying GMO's exist and are responsible for tons of health issues involving americans daily
Nobody disputes that GMOs exist. At least nobody rational.
What health issues are you referring to?0 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »
Oooh, but Haribo Gummy Peaches! Those are soooo good.
I re-rebut:
Bourbon Gummy Bears
Are these good for long hikes?
Yes! ....and short hikes, long sits....and short sits.
I became verklempt after seeing that these do no have alcohol in them, but being a problem solver I injected a small bolus of bourbon into each one - quite tasty.
American greatness at work right here, folks.10 -
MJ2victory wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a HAES proponent?
Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.
In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.
I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.
Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.
I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.
The evidence is that for some conditions merely losing weight, however it is achieved (and there are dramatically different diets followed, including just eating less) makes a huge difference, on average, to the health problems.
Many people have improvement in blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes/IR, to name just a few issues, just with weight loss.
I had NO bad test results when I decided to lose weight, despite being about 50+ lbs over a healthy weight by BMI at the time. That doesn't mean that I had no health reasons to lose weight (and I was already eating a nutrient-dense diet, it's a falsehood that all fat people don't care about nutrition, and was active on and off, although I found doing anything much besides walking and light bike riding and some swimming frustrating when that fat). Instead, my obesity was a huge health risk.
You seem to be saying since I was eating well and at times was active, just being more consistently active is all I should have worried about -- not weight loss, since I had no current health concerns, and apparently not the fact that I was embarrassed about how I looked, wanted to be able to run again and bike better, and really and truly just wanted to enjoy clothes shopping again and not be depressed every time a photo was taken of me.2 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a HAES proponent?
Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.
In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.
I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.
Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.
I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.
The evidence is that for some conditions merely losing weight, however it is achieved (and there are dramatically different diets followed, including just eating less) makes a huge difference, on average, to the health problems.
Many people have improvement in blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes/IR, to name just a few issues, just with weight loss.
I had NO bad test results when I decided to lose weight, despite being about 50+ lbs over a healthy weight by BMI at the time. That doesn't mean that I had no health reasons to lose weight (and I was already eating a nutrient-dense diet, it's a falsehood that all fat people don't care about nutrition, and was active on and off, although I found doing anything much besides walking and light bike riding and some swimming frustrating when that fat). Instead, my obesity was a huge health risk.
You seem to be saying since I was eating well and at times was active, just being more consistently active is all I should have worried about -- not weight loss, since I had no current health concerns, and apparently not the fact that I was embarrassed about how I looked, wanted to be able to run again and bike better, and really and truly just wanted to enjoy clothes shopping again and not be depressed every time a photo was taken of me.
Why are you twisting this to make it as if he's talking about your emotional health related to the weight?3 -
MJ2victory wrote: »Chef_Barbell wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a HAES proponent?
Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.
In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.
I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.
Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.
I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.
Is this like the chicken and the egg? What does it matter? :huh:
It matters to me. Tons of people lose weight via unhealthy means and are lauded by it for society simply because their body is smaller. It's a big problem. 95% of people fail at weight loss because they're not actually trying to be healthier, they're just trying to be smaller.
That 95% number is inaccurate. The success rate is actually around 20%, and you have no basis for your theory as to why anyone out there wants to lose weight other than it sure sounds like you're quoting rhetoric you picked up from somewhere.10 -
MJ2victory wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Imma go with the opinion of the doctor who sees an array of people of all weights and fitness and illnesses day in day out.
cool it's almost like this is a forum thread specifically for people to share their opinions.
It's on the debate board. If you don't want to debate your opinions then this might be the wrong section for you. Why don't people get this?
If you took the time to look over my posts, I've said the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
That's not debating, though. That's simply sticking your head in the sand, ignoring others' points. Debating would mean arguing actual points, as opposed to just saying that it's your opinion.
have you read what i've been writing? I am reading posts, analyzing them, and rebutting them. Debating doesn't mean I have to change my mind.
Your way of rebutting is "nah can't be because of weight."
can you read? I've talked over and over again about healthy lifestyle changes, examples of different motivations and goals.
You haven't talked about any different motivations and goals! You feel everyone should be motivated by the desire to pursue a healthy lifestyle.2 -
I find it kind of disordered to think wanting to get to a healthy weight is disordered in all honesty.37
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lemurcat12 wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »MJ2victory wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »Yeah. I didn't really care about my weight until my health suffered and my doctor told me that weight-loss was the single best thing I could do to manage my condition. So, yeah, I can only speak for myself, but weightloss and avoidance of lymphedema flare-ups are pretty well intertwined at this point. Health is the goal and weightloss is the process.
I don't agree with your doctor
Are you a HAES proponent?
Because I can tell you, as someone who undertook weight loss specifically because reaching a healthy body weight is recommended to manage my particular medical condition, it is totally FALSE that weight is not tied to health in many medical conditions.
In fact, although I am a healthy weight, my goal is to get to the very low end of BMI for optimal management of my medical condition.
I have two forms of arthritis. Arthritis is not a weight-neutral disease. Reaching and maintaining a healthy body weight is the best thing you can do for it, much as it was the same thing estherdragon could do for lymphedema. And yes, weight loss is the best thing you can do for that condition.
Losing weight has normalized my blood sugar, blood pressure, and lipid profile. My triglycerides are down nearly 4 fold. This is one of the weirdest cases of "la la la I can't hear you" I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, including flat earthers and people who believe in high society reptilians. Obesity is strongly linked to some diseases and the correlation is quite direct and demonstrable.
I would argue that the lifestyle changes that you made normalized your blood sugar, blood pressure, etc. Weight loss is a byproduct of healthy lifestyle changes.
The evidence is that for some conditions merely losing weight, however it is achieved (and there are dramatically different diets followed, including just eating less) makes a huge difference, on average, to the health problems.
Many people have improvement in blood pressure, cholesterol, and diabetes/IR, to name just a few issues, just with weight loss.
I had NO bad test results when I decided to lose weight, despite being about 50+ lbs over a healthy weight by BMI at the time. That doesn't mean that I had no health reasons to lose weight (and I was already eating a nutrient-dense diet, it's a falsehood that all fat people don't care about nutrition, and was active on and off, although I found doing anything much besides walking and light bike riding and some swimming frustrating when that fat). Instead, my obesity was a huge health risk.
You seem to be saying since I was eating well and at times was active, just being more consistently active is all I should have worried about -- not weight loss, since I had no current health concerns, and apparently not the fact that I was embarrassed about how I looked, wanted to be able to run again and bike better, and really and truly just wanted to enjoy clothes shopping again and not be depressed every time a photo was taken of me.
that's really sad. I'm sorry that you felt that way.2
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