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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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depends....in moderation no, fast food isn't bad for me - I can go to subway which people would argue is "fast food" and eat a "healthy" sandwich that is filling
fast food gets a bad rap because someone latched onto a term and demonized it8 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Geez people... Let's start here okay, one step at a time
True or False...
Fast food is bad for you...
Given that specific "question?" Easy: false.
eta: Fast food is neutral. It is simply a part of an overall diet. As has been mentioned previously, there are several variations of fast food. To view all of them under one umbrella and try to declare it "bad" or "good" for you is, quite simply, silly.8 -
deannalfisher wrote: »depends....in moderation no, fast food isn't bad for me - I can go to subway which people would argue is "fast food" and eat a "healthy" sandwich that is filling
fast food gets a bad rap because someone latched onto a term and demonized it
Or I can get the salad the I asked about earlier - the salad that is no different than the one that I make at home... so please tell me how that is 'bad' for me?7 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »See the problem here is just a lack of humility...
People just can't handle the fact that what they believe may be wrong. All I've heard so far is "The study is right if I agree with it and wrong if I disagree with it".
And yeah McDonalds offers salads because they want your money, not because they are concerned about the health of their customers...
The food industry has one goal, to get you to consume as much as possible for the cheapest cost at the highest price... None of you can disagree with this statement, and if you do agree with this statement, than you have to agree that they are philosophically against you...
As for a victim mentality... I don't come in here and say the things I say to promote a victim mentality (BTW, that's a pretty lame weak losers argument against the things I've said).
I say what I say because I know there are people who come on to these forums looking for genuine advice, some who are facing a mountain that just seems daunting. Blaming them for their current situation when you know nothing about them or their lives would just make me a pious self-righteous a-hole.
I want readers to know that you are not lazy, you are not weak, you are not incapable, inept or inadequate...There IS a superhuman inside of you, but they need your help...
So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
See, that is the kind of text that is usually followed by "if you follow my 12 week program for only $149.99*, you too can unleash that superhuman!"
*(per week)15 -
Okaaaay, let's try this...
True or False...
The world is round...3 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Okaaaay, let's try this...
True or False...
The world is round...
First, would you like to share how a salad or apple slices or beans become unhealthy just because they're sold by a fast food chain? Or is it your argument that fast food is not inherently unhealthy?7 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Okaaaay, let's try this...
True or False...
The world is round...
Oh, the logical fallacies. Strong with this one they are.10 -
stevencloser wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »See the problem here is just a lack of humility...
People just can't handle the fact that what they believe may be wrong. All I've heard so far is "The study is right if I agree with it and wrong if I disagree with it".
And yeah McDonalds offers salads because they want your money, not because they are concerned about the health of their customers...
The food industry has one goal, to get you to consume as much as possible for the cheapest cost at the highest price... None of you can disagree with this statement, and if you do agree with this statement, than you have to agree that they are philosophically against you...
As for a victim mentality... I don't come in here and say the things I say to promote a victim mentality (BTW, that's a pretty lame weak losers argument against the things I've said).
I say what I say because I know there are people who come on to these forums looking for genuine advice, some who are facing a mountain that just seems daunting. Blaming them for their current situation when you know nothing about them or their lives would just make me a pious self-righteous a-hole.
I want readers to know that you are not lazy, you are not weak, you are not incapable, inept or inadequate...There IS a superhuman inside of you, but they need your help...
So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
See, that is the kind of text that is usually followed by "if you follow my 12 week program for only $149.99*, you too can unleash that superhuman!"
*(per week)
That's a pretty weak response6 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Okaaaay, let's try this...
True or False...
The world is round...
Technically false in any case, but which way are you trying to determine, latitudinally or longitudinally?
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Can't resist adding this:
"It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages."
- Adam Smith20 -
French_Peasant wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Okaaaay, let's try this...
True or False...
The world is round...
Oh, the logical fallacies. Strong with this one they are.
True. And quite telling, all of the binary questions.4 -
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Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »The food industry has one goal, to get you to consume as much as possible for the cheapest cost at the highest price... None of you can disagree with this statement, and if you do agree with this statement, than you have to agree that they are philosophically against you...
It's not shocking that the point of a business is to make money, but I completely disagree that they are philosophically against people. They offer what sells, and what sells is decided by the customer because if it doesn't it's no longer profitable. They are philosophically for the customer because the customer is the main factor in this equation. They are not deliberately selling things that are "bad for you". They are selling these things because people want them.
Why do they make their fries salty? Because people like them that way, and those who don't like them heavily salted pick the "lightly salted" option. I know I do. I also know that the "lightly salted" option is not offered because they care about your health just like they offer the heavily salted option regardless of your blood pressure status and not because they want to make you sick, but for one simple reason: it's not their job to care.
People at the farmer's market don't care about your health either. All they care about is making a living. So don't give into this and stop handing money to those who want to take it.11 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »All our bodies are so different, the truth is no one really knows what works or how it works, but everyone who's read the latest article is an expert... (rolls eyes)
Our bodies are remarkably similar. We know quite a lot about what works and how it works for the important aspects.
Our behaviors are very different; however. Despite this simple fact many get lost obsessing on the insignificant issues and lose the larger picture. There is easy money to be made convincing people otherwise - 20 B in the US alone.
Not so, truth is we really have no idea...
Anything you can find a study for, low carb, cico, veganism, high protein, low fat, gluten free, organic, hiit, steady state... Whatever
I bet you can find a study that provides evidence to the contrary, and an army of people who believe the opposite...
I've found that many of today's know-it-alls, will claim something totally different when the next trend comes alongMr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »And queue the experts... Lol
One of the really fun things about MFP is that sometimes you can find yourself arguing with a real live scientist about something in his domain of professional expertise, and not even know it.
Saying this apropos of absolutely nothing, of course. It's JMO. Maybe even not an unpopular one.
Oops, off topic!
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jessiferrrb wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
So if I go to McD's or Wendy's or Jack or any other food establishment and get a salad with plain grilled chicken (no fries, no burger, etc), have I then given in to the 'establishment' and lost my soul in the process?!?!?
Imagine if you ordered a cheeseburger and fries!!!
mmm fries
It's national French Fry Day and McCain's is having a big party 20miles from here...free fries8 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Geez people... Let's start here okay, one step at a time
True or False...
Fast food is bad for you...
Fales...I can even hit all my macros if I want eating every meal at Micky Dee's.
Never tried with BK or DQ or AW...but I expect it would be the same.6 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Okaaaay, let's try this...
True or False...
The world is round...
First, would you like to share how a salad or apple slices or beans become unhealthy just because they're sold by a fast food chain? Or is it your argument that fast food is not inherently unhealthy?
the fast food processing process automatically makes everything bad, because food manufacturing conspiracy to wipe out all their paying customers..
please get caught up ...11 -
quiksylver296 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »All our bodies are so different, the truth is no one really knows what works or how it works, but everyone who's read the latest article is an expert... (rolls eyes)
Our bodies are remarkably similar. We know quite a lot about what works and how it works for the important aspects.
Our behaviors are very different; however. Despite this simple fact many get lost obsessing on the insignificant issues and lose the larger picture. There is easy money to be made convincing people otherwise - 20 B in the US alone.
Not so, truth is we really have no idea...
Anything you can find a study for, low carb, cico, veganism, high protein, low fat, gluten free, organic, hiit, steady state... Whatever
I bet you can find a study that provides evidence to the contrary, and an army of people who believe the opposite...
I've found that many of today's know-it-alls, will claim something totally different when the next trend comes along
... only if your definition of "study" is extremely loose.
The one truth and constant is that large food manufacturers and the fast food industry doesn't give a damn about you...
I understand that their a business and responsible to their shareholders blah blah blah...
But that's exactly the point, they only care about the profit and not for your health
That is a sweeping generalization that I don't believe applies to every large food manufacturer or fast food company.
On an unrelated note - I've been totally craving a McGriddle the last couple of days!
No, you are completely wrong, and people do need to get this right. That they are responsible to shareholders first actually applies to every large food manufacturer and fast food company. In fact its written in their rules of corporate governance. Profit and interests of the shareholders is ALWAYS above "caring for your health". However, some may have good marketing departments which make it seem untrue to those uninformed possibly. And many have goals which can sometimes coincide with consumer health. But it is not the primary goal.
I'm actually not sure how this has to be explained to people still?2 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Geez people... Let's start here okay, one step at a time
True or False...
Fast food is bad for you...
False.4 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »The food industry has one goal, to get you to consume as much as possible for the cheapest cost at the highest price... None of you can disagree with this statement, and if you do agree with this statement, than you have to agree that they are philosophically against you...
It's not shocking that the point of a business is to make money, but I completely disagree that they are philosophically against people. They offer what sells, and what sells is decided by the customer because if it doesn't it's no longer profitable. They are philosophically for the customer because the customer is the main factor in this equation. They are not deliberately selling things that are "bad for you". They are selling these things because people want them.
Why do they make their fries salty? Because people like them that way, and those who don't like them heavily salted pick the "lightly salted" option. I know I do. I also know that the "lightly salted" option is not offered because they care about your health just like they offer the heavily salted option regardless of your blood pressure status and not because they want to make you sick, but for one simple reason: it's not their job to care.
People at the farmer's market don't care about your health either. All they care about is making a living. So don't give into this and stop handing money to those who want to take it.
You see we really agree that the fast food industry doesn't care about your health, we just disagree about their methods towards profit...
Your perspective is just too naive for me to buy in to.... They are not simply trying to offer what people want, they are much smarter than that.
There is just more to super sized portions than offering people what they want... Your fooling yourself if you believe they are not trying to get people to buy more than they really want...9 -
I bet if I said you people are right, you would all claim to be wrong... Haha!12
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Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Okaaaay, let's try this...
True or False...
The world is round...
Technically false in any case, but which way are you trying to determine, latitudinally or longitudinally?
Approximately spherical?4 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »The food industry has one goal, to get you to consume as much as possible for the cheapest cost at the highest price... None of you can disagree with this statement, and if you do agree with this statement, than you have to agree that they are philosophically against you...
It's not shocking that the point of a business is to make money, but I completely disagree that they are philosophically against people. They offer what sells, and what sells is decided by the customer because if it doesn't it's no longer profitable. They are philosophically for the customer because the customer is the main factor in this equation. They are not deliberately selling things that are "bad for you". They are selling these things because people want them.
Why do they make their fries salty? Because people like them that way, and those who don't like them heavily salted pick the "lightly salted" option. I know I do. I also know that the "lightly salted" option is not offered because they care about your health just like they offer the heavily salted option regardless of your blood pressure status and not because they want to make you sick, but for one simple reason: it's not their job to care.
People at the farmer's market don't care about your health either. All they care about is making a living. So don't give into this and stop handing money to those who want to take it.
You see we really agree that the fast food industry doesn't care about your health, we just disagree about their methods towards profit...
Your perspective is just too naive for me to buy in to.... They are not simply trying to offer what people want, they are much smarter than that.
There is just more to super sized portions than offering people what they want... Your fooling yourself if you believe they are not trying to get people to buy more than they really want...
Okay, but once you're older than 14, what's your excuse for not knowing better?
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Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »The food industry has one goal, to get you to consume as much as possible for the cheapest cost at the highest price... None of you can disagree with this statement, and if you do agree with this statement, than you have to agree that they are philosophically against you...
It's not shocking that the point of a business is to make money, but I completely disagree that they are philosophically against people. They offer what sells, and what sells is decided by the customer because if it doesn't it's no longer profitable. They are philosophically for the customer because the customer is the main factor in this equation. They are not deliberately selling things that are "bad for you". They are selling these things because people want them.
Why do they make their fries salty? Because people like them that way, and those who don't like them heavily salted pick the "lightly salted" option. I know I do. I also know that the "lightly salted" option is not offered because they care about your health just like they offer the heavily salted option regardless of your blood pressure status and not because they want to make you sick, but for one simple reason: it's not their job to care.
People at the farmer's market don't care about your health either. All they care about is making a living. So don't give into this and stop handing money to those who want to take it.
You see we really agree that the fast food industry doesn't care about your health, we just disagree about their methods towards profit...
Your perspective is just too naive for me to buy in to.... They are not simply trying to offer what people want, they are much smarter than that.
There is just more to super sized portions than offering people what they want... Your fooling yourself if you believe they are not trying to get people to buy more than they really want...
Is there more to people taking more food at a buffet than what they really will eat?
You're fooling yourself if you think that the prospect of getting as much as they can for the price (whether we're talking food or not) is not what most people want.
People generally will choose less only if there's an apparent benefit perceived. Better quality, less effort expended, etc.6 -
stevencloser wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »All our bodies are so different, the truth is no one really knows what works or how it works, but everyone who's read the latest article is an expert... (rolls eyes)
Our bodies are remarkably similar. We know quite a lot about what works and how it works for the important aspects.
Our behaviors are very different; however. Despite this simple fact many get lost obsessing on the insignificant issues and lose the larger picture. There is easy money to be made convincing people otherwise - 20 B in the US alone.
Not so, truth is we really have no idea...
Anything you can find a study for, low carb, cico, veganism, high protein, low fat, gluten free, organic, hiit, steady state... Whatever
I bet you can find a study that provides evidence to the contrary, and an army of people who believe the opposite...
I've found that many of today's know-it-alls, will claim something totally different when the next trend comes along
... only if your definition of "study" is extremely loose.
The one truth and constant is that large food manufacturers and the fast food industry doesn't give a damn about you...
I understand that their a business and responsible to their shareholders blah blah blah...
But that's exactly the point, they only care about the profit and not for your health
Dead customers aren't known to buy your products.
That's taken of course to extremes on the internet. In most cases of course that isn't desireable, but keep your motivations straight is the most important thing. Yes its true its not a good idea to promote products that can result in quick deaths, especially since legal costs are high.
Large customers that eat a lot of product are definitely preferable, even if their lifespan is a bit shorter than average, however. Unless of course it becomes socially unacceptable, then some campaign to show how important your health is to them and some "healthy" options should be added.
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Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »The food industry has one goal, to get you to consume as much as possible for the cheapest cost at the highest price... None of you can disagree with this statement, and if you do agree with this statement, than you have to agree that they are philosophically against you...
It's not shocking that the point of a business is to make money, but I completely disagree that they are philosophically against people. They offer what sells, and what sells is decided by the customer because if it doesn't it's no longer profitable. They are philosophically for the customer because the customer is the main factor in this equation. They are not deliberately selling things that are "bad for you". They are selling these things because people want them.
Why do they make their fries salty? Because people like them that way, and those who don't like them heavily salted pick the "lightly salted" option. I know I do. I also know that the "lightly salted" option is not offered because they care about your health just like they offer the heavily salted option regardless of your blood pressure status and not because they want to make you sick, but for one simple reason: it's not their job to care.
People at the farmer's market don't care about your health either. All they care about is making a living. So don't give into this and stop handing money to those who want to take it.
You see we really agree that the fast food industry doesn't care about your health, we just disagree about their methods towards profit...
Your perspective is just too naive for me to buy in to.... They are not simply trying to offer what people want, they are much smarter than that.
There is just more to super sized portions than offering people what they want... Your fooling yourself if you believe they are not trying to get people to buy more than they really want...
Every single industry doesn't care about your health. Scratch that every single company doesn't care about your health. Not even a mom and pop shop. They also don't care about your sickness either, yet you're making it sound suspiciously as if they purposely want to make you sick for some nefarious goal only you know.9 -
The McD's on the Hawaiian offers spam for breakfast along with eggs and rice. They mostly definitely have their consumers in mind. And it was good!13
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Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »See the problem here is just a lack of humility...
People just can't handle the fact that what they believe may be wrong. All I've heard so far is "The study is right if I agree with it and wrong if I disagree with it".
And yeah McDonalds offers salads because they want your money, not because they are concerned about the health of their customers...
The food industry has one goal, to get you to consume as much as possible for the cheapest cost at the highest price... None of you can disagree with this statement, and if you do agree with this statement, than you have to agree that they are philosophically against you...
As for a victim mentality... I don't come in here and say the things I say to promote a victim mentality (BTW, that's a pretty lame weak losers argument against the things I've said).
I say what I say because I know there are people who come on to these forums looking for genuine advice, some who are facing a mountain that just seems daunting. Blaming them for their current situation when you know nothing about them or their lives would just make me a pious self-righteous a-hole.
I want readers to know that you are not lazy, you are not weak, you are not incapable, inept or inadequate...There IS a superhuman inside of you, but they need your help...
So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
If this is all you've heard then try listening.
Just a point that this is the debate section, where there are many of us who are not seeking to be right, but enjoy having our ideas and thoughts challenged in a never ending search for the truth.
Truth is dealt in the specifics. People trying to be right deal in vague generalities and tend to stray off topic when challenged.8 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »The food industry has one goal, to get you to consume as much as possible for the cheapest cost at the highest price... None of you can disagree with this statement, and if you do agree with this statement, than you have to agree that they are philosophically against you...
It's not shocking that the point of a business is to make money, but I completely disagree that they are philosophically against people. They offer what sells, and what sells is decided by the customer because if it doesn't it's no longer profitable. They are philosophically for the customer because the customer is the main factor in this equation. They are not deliberately selling things that are "bad for you". They are selling these things because people want them.
Why do they make their fries salty? Because people like them that way, and those who don't like them heavily salted pick the "lightly salted" option. I know I do. I also know that the "lightly salted" option is not offered because they care about your health just like they offer the heavily salted option regardless of your blood pressure status and not because they want to make you sick, but for one simple reason: it's not their job to care.
People at the farmer's market don't care about your health either. All they care about is making a living. So don't give into this and stop handing money to those who want to take it.
You see we really agree that the fast food industry doesn't care about your health, we just disagree about their methods towards profit...
Your perspective is just too naive for me to buy in to.... They are not simply trying to offer what people want, they are much smarter than that.
There is just more to super sized portions than offering people what they want... Your fooling yourself if you believe they are not trying to get people to buy more than they really want...
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Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »See the problem here is just a lack of humility...
People just can't handle the fact that what they believe may be wrong. All I've heard so far is "The study is right if I agree with it and wrong if I disagree with it".
And yeah McDonalds offers salads because they want your money, not because they are concerned about the health of their customers...
The food industry has one goal, to get you to consume as much as possible for the cheapest cost at the highest price... None of you can disagree with this statement, and if you do agree with this statement, than you have to agree that they are philosophically against you...
As for a victim mentality... I don't come in here and say the things I say to promote a victim mentality (BTW, that's a pretty lame weak losers argument against the things I've said).
I say what I say because I know there are people who come on to these forums looking for genuine advice, some who are facing a mountain that just seems daunting. Blaming them for their current situation when you know nothing about them or their lives would just make me a pious self-righteous a-hole.
I want readers to know that you are not lazy, you are not weak, you are not incapable, inept or inadequate...There IS a superhuman inside of you, but they need your help...
So don't give in this lunch or dinner to the marketer's and food engineers at fast food chains, their very profits are bet against your ability to free that super hero inside of you! Think about it, why do they have to make their frys so salty?
And remember that if you really know better and give in to McDonald's and the food industry anyway... Then csardiver is right... Otherwise be ready to fight for your health because they are against you, don't believe they are not...
Now it's up to you to eat wise and exercise!
If this is all you've heard then try listening.
Just a point that this is the debate section, where there are many of us who are not seeking to be right, but enjoy having our ideas and thoughts challenged in a never ending search for the truth.
Truth is dealt in the specifics. People trying to be right deal in vague generalities and tend to stray off topic when challenged.
I could not agree more, in fact that was the whole point of my original post this morning, to which you responded... "Oh no, I really do know it all though" haha... I kid, well not really but I'm burnt out for now... It's 12 against 1 in here but I have enjoyed this and will be back...
The fact is I believe a lot of the opinions I've heard in here are self serving... In other words they exist to help you believe that you are some how better than obese or less healthy people in general...
I believe this whole "It's your fault" mentality exists mainly to point out your own lack of "faults", it's not tough love, it's self-righteousness and piety...
I'm here because I want readers to know they are not weak...9
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