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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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stanmann571 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
Also fairly sure little to no one in this whole discussion besides stanmann is/has done low carb at all. We just don't like BS.
And it's been over 10 years since the last time I did keto.
My wife was supportive, but the keto breath and keto farts were more than she cared to put up with... she did.. but she made her displeasure known...
I've done HIIT a half dozen or more times and coached a few dozen more folks through PT Evals using HIIT protocols in order to create measurable 20%+ improvement in 1.5 mile times....
HIIT is an amazing tool Keto... meh... it works for some, not for others, but for what it does it's adequate.
Maybe you could prove me wrong on the HIIT...
Don't you worry about strains and injuries doing HIIT?
It just seems risky to me tbh3 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
I agree it's possible, but in today's world it's becoming less and less possible.
For a number of reasons...
One there's research out there to support whatever you want to believe and more than enough money for industries to create research backing whatever benefits them...
Two, much of what we believed true 50, 20, 10yrs ago has changed. How can we ever know anything definitively when we are constantly being introduced to new information that changes the way we think.
Also, it's just human nature to form an opinion and gravitate towards information that supports your beliefs... I'm not going to be too prideful to admit that I may be guilty of this from time to time myself... If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself.
There is a lot of research out there, but it's also possible for us to educate ourselves on indicators that help distinguish reliable studies/conclusions from unreliable. We don't have to just throw up our hands and say "Who knows, there's just too much research!"
And yes, the scope of our knowledge changes. We should never be certain that we have the final, absolute truth, but it is possible to say "Based on what we know now, this is what I think is true." This isn't the same thing as saying we will never change our mind based on new information or form a more complicated or nuanced position based on information we may learn in the future. Saying we shouldn't have positions because we might someday learn it is wrong . . . that seems totally futile. It's a level of relativism that is completely unnecessary.
If you can write a sentence like "If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself" in response to a post where I specifically wrote "There is always room for improvement" and signified my willingness to hear and respond to instances where you felt as if I was filtering reality through my opinions, I don't even know how to respond to that. Are you actually reading what I'm writing or are you just taking a bit of it and then responding to what you wish I was saying? Someone who says they know there is room for improvement and leaves the door open for critical feedback is saying the opposite of "I'm perfect."17 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
Also fairly sure little to no one in this whole discussion besides stanmann is/has done low carb at all. We just don't like BS.
And it's been over 10 years since the last time I did keto.
My wife was supportive, but the keto breath and keto farts were more than she cared to put up with... she did.. but she made her displeasure known...
I've done HIIT a half dozen or more times and coached a few dozen more folks through PT Evals using HIIT protocols in order to create measurable 20%+ improvement in 1.5 mile times....
HIIT is an amazing tool Keto... meh... it works for some, not for others, but for what it does it's adequate.
Maybe you could prove me wrong on the HIIT...
Don't you worry about strains and injuries doing HIIT?
It just seems risky to me tbh
Do you even know what HIIT is?
It's a protocol.
It's not a program, it's not a workout, it's a protocol.
The one I most prefer is to use the elliptical since they're more ubiquitous than rowing machines.
5 minute warmup 30-60 seconds max effort followed by 90-180 seconds recovery, Repeated 4-6 times. 5 minute cooldown
Alternately, and this one is a killer. Calculate 95% max HR. 5 min warmup. increase intensity and tension until target HR is reached maintain intensity 30 seconds. Reduce intensity and tension until recovery HR is reached..usually 125-140. maintain 60 seconds. Repeat AMRAP for a total duration of no more than 20 minutes work time. Most people manage 1 rep. some make it for 2. After 3 weeks, most are doing 5 or 6 reps in the 20 minutes.
Strain and injury risk(very low)6 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
Also fairly sure little to no one in this whole discussion besides stanmann is/has done low carb at all. We just don't like BS.
And it's been over 10 years since the last time I did keto.
My wife was supportive, but the keto breath and keto farts were more than she cared to put up with... she did.. but she made her displeasure known...
I've done HIIT a half dozen or more times and coached a few dozen more folks through PT Evals using HIIT protocols in order to create measurable 20%+ improvement in 1.5 mile times....
HIIT is an amazing tool Keto... meh... it works for some, not for others, but for what it does it's adequate.
Maybe you could prove me wrong on the HIIT...
Don't you worry about strains and injuries doing HIIT?
It just seems risky to me tbh
I'm not @stanmann571, but in my world, HIIT is not for beginners.
It's for reasonably conditioned athletes, mainly for those who want to makes specific kinds of capability improvements at particular stages of their training cycles. (Or, occasionally, just for funsies. But still just for people with decent basic conditioning.)
So, no: Not very worried about strains and injuries. Gonna have to go that hard in a race, anyway. Don't want the race to be the very first time, do we?5 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
I agree it's possible, but in today's world it's becoming less and less possible.
For a number of reasons...
One there's research out there to support whatever you want to believe and more than enough money for industries to create research backing whatever benefits them...
Two, much of what we believed true 50, 20, 10yrs ago has changed. How can we ever know anything definitively when we are constantly being introduced to new information that changes the way we think.
Also, it's just human nature to form an opinion and gravitate towards information that supports your beliefs... I'm not going to be too prideful to admit that I may be guilty of this from time to time myself... If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself.
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GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
I agree it's possible, but in today's world it's becoming less and less possible.
For a number of reasons...
One there's research out there to support whatever you want to believe and more than enough money for industries to create research backing whatever benefits them...
Two, much of what we believed true 50, 20, 10yrs ago has changed. How can we ever know anything definitively when we are constantly being introduced to new information that changes the way we think.
Also, it's just human nature to form an opinion and gravitate towards information that supports your beliefs... I'm not going to be too prideful to admit that I may be guilty of this from time to time myself... If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself.
I'll admit that it took me a minute, lol.
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That picture shows the damaging effects of the chemical compound O2. Just think what that stuff may do to the human body on a cellular level.
I have looked into it, and in every SINGLE case of obesity on record, the subject had a history of long-term exposure to atmospheric O2.
I'm not going to overstate the link as this theory hasn't gained enough traction within the scientific community to see specific research initiated, but at this point, it is clear that O2 exposure correlates with unwanted weight gain.18 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »That picture shows the damaging effects of the chemical compound O2. Just think what that stuff may do to the human body on a cellular level.
I have looked into it, and in every SINGLE case of obesity on record, the subject had a history of long-term exposure to atmospheric O2.
I'm not going to overstate the link as this theory hasn't gained enough traction within the scientific community to see specific research initiated, but at this point, it is clear that O2 exposure correlates with unwanted weight gain.
Now we just need a celebrity save the world song to reduce atmospheric O2, and we'll be saved from the obesity epidemic. I can't believe research hasn't been done. It seems so simple and obvious.6 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Now we just need a celebrity save the world song to reduce atmospheric O2, and we'll be saved from the obesity epidemic. I can't believe research hasn't been done. It seems so simple and obvious.
you guys go ahead. i'll be around the corner stockpiling all the world's helium so when the population wakes up to the nefarious dangers of oxygen, i will be RICH.
eta: mwahahahaha.
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canadianlbs wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Now we just need a celebrity save the world song to reduce atmospheric O2, and we'll be saved from the obesity epidemic. I can't believe research hasn't been done. It seems so simple and obvious.
you guys go ahead. i'll be around the corner stockpiling all the world's helium so when the population wakes up to the nefarious dangers of oxygen, i will be RICH.
eta: mwahahahaha.
Nope. I'mma switch to Boron.3 -
I wish someone would! There is concern we might run out of helium, and this time I'm not spoofing.canadianlbs wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Now we just need a celebrity save the world song to reduce atmospheric O2, and we'll be saved from the obesity epidemic. I can't believe research hasn't been done. It seems so simple and obvious.
you guys go ahead. i'll be around the corner stockpiling all the world's helium so when the population wakes up to the nefarious dangers of oxygen, i will be RICH.
eta: mwahahahaha.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-249030344 -
I had WLS and if I had to go back I would do it AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. I take extreme offense when someone says it's cheating, as if the weight melts off all by itself. Yes, it's a LOT easier but it also takes an extreme amount of dedication and work on the part of the recipient of said surgery. It's a tool like any other, just an extremely effective one. It is also a serious motivator to maintain a healthy lifestyle and the after effects; confident, new experiences, etc - opens so many doors. I had gastric bypass surgery when I was 25 (I'm 31) and I was wasting time and money in college, in and out, not knowing what I wanted to do with my life. After my experience, not only have I had experiences I didn't think I'd have, but I've finally got a clear view of what I want to do with my life and everything I need to do to get there is clear. And, if we're being honest, I think that most people who say it is cheating are people who secretly wish they could get it but don't have insurance or an insurance that will pay for it.
That being said, I absolutely hate restrictive dieting. No/low carbs, stuff like that. This is NOT a sustainable lifestyle for most people and most of the time you not only gain that weight back, but end up packing on more! I'm a firm believer of balance and of truly getting to know your body and being able to decipher when a craving is real and when it's not. When a craving is real, I indulge because if I don't, I'll end up eating everything else until I get what I actually want.13 -
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My unpopular opinion seems to be CIC0 makes sense. I had 100 pounds to lose and MFP put me on 1200 calories a day. I have lost over 40 pounds since April but occasionally I will have a week of doing it right and I will lose nothing. I also have weeks of doing the same when I lose 4 pounds. Any time I have a stall week people tell me it is because I am not eating enough and I need to eat more to lick start my metabolism. And WTF is starvation mode? Eating more does not make sense to me and I am sticking with it.10
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JerSchmare wrote: »My unpopular opinion is that being fat has nothing to do with sugar.
Not even proximately? Doesn't sugar tend to make food more delicious, increasing the tendency to consume greater quantities of it, and potentially resulting in consuming more calories than one burns?
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Bry_Lander wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »My unpopular opinion is that being fat has nothing to do with sugar.
Not even proximately? Doesn't sugar tend to make food more delicious, increasing the tendency to consume greater quantities of it, and potentially resulting in consuming more calories than one burns?
Sure, if you interpret it that way then being fat is also related to dietary fat, salt, spices, herbs, aromatics, maillard reaction, yeast, flavorings, packaging, coloring agents, texture agents, strategic shelf placement, peer pressure, and more. All of these make food more appealing, so singling out sugar makes no sense.23 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »My unpopular opinion is that being fat has nothing to do with sugar.
Not even proximately? Doesn't sugar tend to make food more delicious, increasing the tendency to consume greater quantities of it, and potentially resulting in consuming more calories than one burns?
Sure, if you interpret it that way then being fat is also related to dietary fat, salt, spices, herbs, aromatics, maillard reaction, yeast, flavorings, packaging, coloring agents, texture agents, strategic shelf placement, peer pressure, and more. All of these make food more appealing, so singling out sugar makes no sense.
Share where I stated that sugar is the only cause of obesity.3 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »amusedmonkey wrote: »Bry_Lander wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »My unpopular opinion is that being fat has nothing to do with sugar.
Not even proximately? Doesn't sugar tend to make food more delicious, increasing the tendency to consume greater quantities of it, and potentially resulting in consuming more calories than one burns?
Sure, if you interpret it that way then being fat is also related to dietary fat, salt, spices, herbs, aromatics, maillard reaction, yeast, flavorings, packaging, coloring agents, texture agents, strategic shelf placement, peer pressure, and more. All of these make food more appealing, so singling out sugar makes no sense.
Share where I stated that sugar is the only cause of obesity.
Not you specifically. I'm more appending to your reply than replying to it. Just making a related point. People like to single out sugar/fat/fructose/whatever else and pin obesity on it. That's not how overeating works.12 -
It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.18
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canadianlbs wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Now we just need a celebrity save the world song to reduce atmospheric O2, and we'll be saved from the obesity epidemic. I can't believe research hasn't been done. It seems so simple and obvious.
you guys go ahead. i'll be around the corner stockpiling all the world's helium so when the population wakes up to the nefarious dangers of oxygen, i will be RICH.
eta: mwahahahaha.
Don't you mean "HeHeHeHeHe"?30 -
canadianlbs wrote: »theresejesu wrote: »Actually, it's probably lectins.
are lectins another word for leprechauns? because they sound kind of like it.
I think lectins are those little slimy sucker things that doctors used in the Middle Ages to suck "bad humors" out of people's bodies.
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It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.
Swollen with water. *giggle*.... yeah, right.
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It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.
That's funny(as in ironic) and false.
Since he lost 120+ lbs the same way everyone else does.
Eat less Move more.10 -
Bry_Lander wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »My unpopular opinion is that being fat has nothing to do with sugar.
Not even proximately? Doesn't sugar tend to make food more delicious, increasing the tendency to consume greater quantities of it, and potentially resulting in consuming more calories than one burns?
I had a bit of a back and forth with another poster in one of the 'sugar is the debil' threads, and there's plenty of foods that are low in sugar, that are very easy to overeat on/are calorie bombs. I gained a lot of my extra weight by eating too many calories via corn chips, pretzels, chips etc. These kinds of foods have no sugar or trace amounts, but definitely have calories.
Now that I eat a mostly whole foods woe I've really cut back on those types of food, but now struggle with moderating nuts, seeds, olives etc. Again, low sugar foods that are calorie dense and very easy for me to overeat on. Until I started eating fruit regularly earlier this year, my sugar consumption was very low. That didn't prevent me from being overweight and a prediabetic back before I lost the extra weight.2 -
It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.
Unless you are in kidney failure or have another serious medical condition than they aren't carrying a huge amount of extra fluid and yes doctors do help with edema. Diuretics, dialysis etc are real medical treatments.5 -
It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.
If by "diet" you mean "calorie deficit", this is not true. Edema can mask fat loss (especially if the levels fluctuate a lot), but in a calorie deficit, fat loss will occur. I'm not sure what you mean by "Doctors do not help edema", do you mean they willfully don't treat the condition to the best of their knowledge? Do you have any peer-reviewed evidence to back up this claim?4 -
It is unpopular to point out that some people are swollen with water and that diet will not work for them. One example is the comedian Fluffy. Even the doctors that do weight loss surgery told him it would not work for him. If a person is fluffy, then it is edema and not fat. Doctors do not help edema. Shame on them.
I googled him and this is what is said on his wiki page
"Iglesias described the struggle to incorporate a healthier lifestyle, relating how he was told by a specialist that his heavy touring schedule precluded him from being a candidate for bariatric surgery, and how he resorted instead to weight-lifting,DDP Yoga, and a high-protein, low-carbohydrate diet, which helped him shed over 100 pounds (45 kilograms)."
So no it wasn't because of edema11 -
cmriverside wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So much long and hard talk all of a sudden.
...and what's the reference to LSD?
#colormeconfuzzled
Sorry For those in the Peanut Gallery LSD=Long slow distance AKA traditional cardio running
oh. Well that's disappointing.
...and maybe a little embarrassing.
I thought it was funny.
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theresejesu wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So much long and hard talk all of a sudden.
...and what's the reference to LSD?
#colormeconfuzzled
Sorry For those in the Peanut Gallery LSD=Long slow distance AKA traditional cardio running
oh. Well that's disappointing.
...and maybe a little embarrassing.
I thought it was funny.
To be fair. the use of LSD vs LISS was deliberate although I assumed that on a fitness site LSD would be a common enough acronym.1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
The ability to determine what is true is greatly limited by one's paradigm and how easily they are able to shift to, and consider new paradigms, or how entrenched they are in their own paradigm.
Some know they don't know what they don't know. Others are simply unaware they don't know what they don't know.2
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