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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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clicketykeys wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »If you're going to do anything today... Stretch!
Not unpopular I guess but too many skip the stretch and warm up
Not as cut and dry as you may think. More recent studies suggest that static stretching before strength training and lifting may be detrimental.
Maybe not detrimental but it can negatively affect strength during the lifting session.
Not just negative strength, increase in injuries.
You should stretch after at least
And if you are resting that day, you should at least stretch
And on stretching being dangerous, it's going to be one of those things that is determined to be Bs in the next decade
Just like low carb dieting and HIIT
Neither is BS. They both do exactly what they're designed and intended to do.
Yeah convince people they can and should consume all the animal products they want Aaannnnd get ripped in just 14mins a day...
I no it's contradictory to the latest fitness trends created by marketing companies but I call Bs
You seem confused. LCHF improves insulin production and kidney function and satiety with a reduced requirement for aggressive calorie counting/monitoring
HIIT improves VO2MAX in a measurable way in 15 minutes a day over 3-6 weeks in a way that LSD doesn't.
Over the past 15 years, I've had great success with each of them in turn.
That being said. Neither is magic.
Aw, man, it would have been soooo groovy to get awesome fitness results from LSD.
You're welcome.1 -
So much long and hard talk all of a sudden.
...and what's the reference to LSD?
#colormeconfuzzled1 -
I'm not a vegan but they do have the Trump card, they live longer healthier lives...
That being said, my performance in the weight room does benefit from meat and dairy...
But I believe low carb is not the way to go. You shouldn't be afraid of carbs or eat an unbalanced diets...
It's a marketing gimmick created to sell diet programs to people who want to believe they can have their meat and dairy and eat it too...
I see no benefit to lc when you can improve your level of fitness without having to go lc...
Dr Greger is not Bs, the meat and dairy industry has billions of dollars behind them.11 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »I'm not a vegan but they do have the Trump card, they live longer healthier lives...
No they don't.
That being said, my performance in the weight room does benefit from meat and dairy...
But I believe low carb is not the way to go. You shouldn't be afraid of carbs or eat an unbalanced diets...
It's a marketing gimmick created to sell diet programs to people who want to believe they can have their meat and dairy and eat it too...
That's not what it's for at all. It's used to improve compliance while reducing need to track calories as strictly.
That's it.
I see no benefit to lc when you can improve your level of fitness without having to go lc...
Dr Greger is not Bs, the meat and dairy industry has billions of dollars behind them.
Ah... the plea of big money. while Dr Greger rakes it in fleecing suckers. Just like Mercola and Oz10 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »I'm not a vegan but they do have the Trump card, they live longer healthier lives...
That being said, my performance in the weight room does benefit from meat and dairy...
But I believe low carb is not the way to go. You shouldn't be afraid of carbs or eat an unbalanced diets...
It's a marketing gimmick created to sell diet programs to people who want to believe they can have their meat and dairy and eat it too...
I see no benefit to lc when you can improve your level of fitness without having to go lc...
Dr Greger is not Bs, the meat and dairy industry has billions of dollars behind them.
Actually, we don't know enough about vegan mortality yet to draw that conclusion.
Jack Norris, a vegan RD, has an article summarizing the major studies in this area. His conclusion: "not enough is yet known about vegan mortality to draw any conclusions other than that vegans do not have unusually high rates of mortality and they probably do better than the average person due either to diet or a healthier lifestyle."
He's only confident enough to that the evidence available to us right now indicates we "probably" do better, it's not nearly as certain as you make it sound.
http://www.veganhealth.org/articles/dxrates13 -
cmriverside wrote: »So much long and hard talk all of a sudden.
...and what's the reference to LSD?
#colormeconfuzzled
Sorry For those in the Peanut Gallery LSD=Long slow distance AKA traditional cardio running2 -
cmriverside wrote: »So much long and hard talk all of a sudden.
...and what's the reference to LSD?
#colormeconfuzzled
I thought we were talking about Lava Lamps again.13 -
stanmann571 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So much long and hard talk all of a sudden.
...and what's the reference to LSD?
#colormeconfuzzled
Sorry For those in the Peanut Gallery LSD=Long slow distance AKA traditional cardio running
Lsd long slow distance?
And the myth that HIIT is superior to traditional cardio is concocted...4 -
Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???34 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »jseams1234 wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »If you're going to do anything today... Stretch!
Not unpopular I guess but too many skip the stretch and warm up
Not as cut and dry as you may think. More recent studies suggest that static stretching before strength training and lifting may be detrimental.
Maybe not detrimental but it can negatively affect strength during the lifting session.
Not just negative strength, increase in injuries.
I haven't read that before. Any links? (Not arguing, that's just new info to me)
https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/03/reasons-not-to-stretch/
Also see the referenced studies.
The blog and its referenced studies only speak about a decrease in muscular strength. No mention of increased risk on injury.1 -
stanmann571 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So much long and hard talk all of a sudden.
...and what's the reference to LSD?
#colormeconfuzzled
Sorry For those in the Peanut Gallery LSD=Long slow distance AKA traditional cardio running
oh. Well that's disappointing.
...and maybe a little embarrassing.8 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So much long and hard talk all of a sudden.
...and what's the reference to LSD?
#colormeconfuzzled
Sorry For those in the Peanut Gallery LSD=Long slow distance AKA traditional cardio running
Lsd long slow distance?
And the myth that HIIT is superior to traditional cardio is concocted...
Superior for WHAT? increasing VO2MAX by 10-30% in the course of 3-6 weeks.... LSD doesn't come close.
Perhaps if you would review some actual science instead of youtube, blogs, and woo-doctors, you would broaden your understanding of what is and isn't real.
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joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate4 -
My unpopular opinion:
Big Cauliflower is making us fat. It slithered into every diet substitution recipe and those poor sods don't even realize how it's ruining their thyroid and how the so-called "beneficial" insoluble fiber is irritating to their gut and preventing the absorption of some nutrients. It also causes gout among other issues. Big cauliflower should be the next big villain because we're not sheep, we know what they don't want us to know.
....well, at least how some of the comments on this forum sound to me sometimes. My unpopular opinion is that not every fact is worth defending, even if it's true on the surface. Many people like majoring in minors and putting most of their mental stock in a narrow range of ideas with little context.34 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »My unpopular opinion:
Big Cauliflower is making us fat. It slithered into every diet substitution recipe and those poor sods don't even realize how it's ruining their thyroid and how the so-called "beneficial" insoluble fiber is irritating to their gut and preventing the absorption of some nutrients. It also causes gout among other issues. Big cauliflower should be the next big villain because we're not sheep, we know what they don't want us to know.
....well, at least how some of the comments on this forum sound to me sometimes. My unpopular opinion is that not every fact is worth defending, even if it's true on the surface. Many people like majoring in minors and putting most of their mental stock in a narrow range of ideas with little context.
Okay, so you are being sarcastic, but after trying a sample of cauliflower pizza at Trader Joes this week, I believe there must be some amazingly successful propaganda arm of Big Cauliflower convincing people that cauliflower doesn't taste like *kitten* and that it makes a good substitute for pizza dough or rice.16 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
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Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
You might want to be careful what you assume about that posters dietary preferences, wouldn't want you to look silly now......17 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.13 -
WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group3 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
Jane is vegan fyi.5 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I'm not a low carber, but demonizing Low carb is just silly.... and it's wrong.8 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
And the group, isn't criticizing your position and Dr Greger because they are keto/Low Carb.
They're criticizing your position and Dr Greger because your position is wrong and Dr Greger is a woo peddler.17 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.10 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
When you respond directly to my post and say things like "surely not you" and "I want to believe as you lower carbers do," it doesn't sound like you're addressing a group. It sounds like I'm being addressed in particular. If that isn't what you mean, maybe quoting a particular person and using phrases like that isn't the best tactic.24 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
Also fairly sure little to no one in this whole discussion besides stanmann is/has done low carb at all. We just don't like BS.7 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
I agree it's possible, but in today's world it's becoming less and less possible.
For a number of reasons...
One there's research out there to support whatever you want to believe and more than enough money for industries to create research backing whatever benefits them...
Two, much of what we believed true 50, 20, 10yrs ago has changed. How can we ever know anything definitively when we are constantly being introduced to new information that changes the way we think.
Also, it's just human nature to form an opinion and gravitate towards information that supports your beliefs... I'm not going to be too prideful to admit that I may be guilty of this from time to time myself... If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself.4 -
stevencloser wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
LOL - the person you are responding to is vegan.
So what... I'm speaking to the group
Also fairly sure little to no one in this whole discussion besides stanmann is/has done low carb at all. We just don't like BS.
And it's been over 10 years since the last time I did keto.
My wife was supportive, but the keto breath and keto farts were more than she cared to put up with... she did.. but she made her displeasure known...
I've done HIIT a half dozen or more times and coached a few dozen more folks through PT Evals using HIIT protocols in order to create measurable 20%+ improvement in 1.5 mile times....
HIIT is an amazing tool Keto... meh... it works for some, not for others, but for what it does it's adequate.3 -
Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Mr_Healthy_Habits wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »Mine is that everyone should do what makes them happy. Wanna be vegan? Great! Just don't try to talk me out of a burger. Love crossfit? Awesome! I like bodybuilding, ya'll have fun in your box. You think sugar and carbs will make you fat? That's your right...if you need me I'll be over here enjoying my poptarts. You think fasted cardio is more effective? Sweet, I eat as soon as I wake up so pretty unlikely for me. Etc, etc, etc.
Basically, live and let live. Crazy, right???
I 100% agree with this guy...
At the end of the day though, all any of us are trying to do is defend our respective fitness churches...
I'm just a sucker for a good debate
Rather than deal with "churches" and treat this like a matter of faith, I think I'd rather draw my conclusions based on the best available evidence. I'm not inclined to defend anything if there is reliable evidence that it might not be accurate or true.
Most people form their opinion and then migrate towards the latest research that supports their opinions... But surely not you.
The difference here is that I want to believe as you low carbers do, I want to believe that I can consume all the meat and dairy I want and that our animal products are not tainted to the point where they just might not be worth it... But I just no better, the fact is, imo, reality bites and are food and health industries are massively corrupt. To believe otherwise is just naive...
The money is behind meat and dairy and big agriculture, not behind Dr Greger... I'm sorry but we live in a time where you can't always trust the latest research...
I spend a fair amount of effort trying to be especially critical of supposed evidence that supports my opinions, but if you have instances where you perceive me to filtering research through my opinions I am open to hearing about it. There is always room for improvement.
By the way, I'm not a low carber. I actually get about 60% of my calories from carbohydrates.
What you seem to be saying is that it's impossible to know what the truth is, that we all have our "churches" and we should leave it at that. I disagree -- I think it's possible for humans to determine that a claim is true or untrue, to determine whether something is supported by evidence or not.
I agree it's possible, but in today's world it's becoming less and less possible.
For a number of reasons...
One there's research out there to support whatever you want to believe and more than enough money for industries to create research backing whatever benefits them...
False
Two, much of what we believed true 50, 20, 10yrs ago has changed. How can we ever know anything definitively when we are constantly being introduced to new information that changes the way we think.
Doubly False
Also, it's just human nature to form an opinion and gravitate towards information that supports your beliefs... I'm not going to be too prideful to admit that I may be guilty of this from time to time myself... If you think you're perfect, you're fooling yourself.
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