Apparently fat acceptance is a civil rights issue
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LittleHearseDriver wrote: »Overweight people are discriminated against, I've seen it in my own field. There are funeral homes who charge extra for people who are obese which isn't fair because families cannot help how much their loved one weighs.
How is that unfair? They need a bigger box, a bigger hole and are harder to carry!!! Those are costs that need to be covered by someone and if they just average it out that means I'm paying more because someone else is fat!2 -
joemac1988 wrote: »LittleHearseDriver wrote: »Overweight people are discriminated against, I've seen it in my own field. There are funeral homes who charge extra for people who are obese which isn't fair because families cannot help how much their loved one weighs.
How is that unfair? They need a bigger box, a bigger hole and are harder to carry!!! Those are costs that need to be covered by someone and if they just average it out that means I'm paying more because someone else is fat!
Same as you pay more to color your hair when you have LONG hair.
The end.4 -
I'm fine with people being fat as long as it doesn't affect other people. Examples:
- You're flowing into my airplane seat. If you take a percentage of the space I paid for, you should pay me that percentage.
- My health insurance/hospital/general medical costs are higher because the costs are averaged so I'm carrying you financially
- You're not taking a handicapped space from someone who is actually handicapped.
- You're blocking a whole store aisle in the motorized wheelchair because your knees weren't designed to carry the weight of 3 people
- You're setting the temperature at work or wherever to "frigid" because you have the blubber of an adult walrus
- And so on.
Go ahead, be fat and I'll happily accept it. Just don't impose that decision on me. And for the record, same goes for other things like smoking. You want to smoke? Fine. Throw you butt out the window though and I'll do my best to throw it back on your lap. You want to drive slow? Go ahead. Do it in the outside lane and I'll push you out of the way.5 -
joemac1988 wrote: »I'm fine with people being fat as long as it doesn't affect other people. Examples:
- You're flowing into my airplane seat. If you take a percentage of the space I paid for, you should pay me that percentage.
- My health insurance/hospital/general medical costs are higher because the costs are averaged so I'm carrying you financially
- You're not taking a handicapped space from someone who is actually handicapped.
- You're blocking a whole store aisle in the motorized wheelchair because your knees weren't designed to carry the weight of 3 people
- You're setting the temperature at work or wherever to "frigid" because you have the blubber of an adult walrus
- And so on.
Go ahead, be fat and I'll happily accept it. Just don't impose that decision on me. And for the record, same goes for other things like smoking. You want to smoke? Fine. Throw you butt out the window though and I'll do my best to throw it back on your lap. You want to drive slow? Go ahead. Do it in the outside lane and I'll push you out of the way.
This! Truth.
I don't care who does what to their body and I don't judge... believe me I was large years ago too.
But here's an example of what the poster above is saying:
Every month I pay my $80 to ride the train to and from work. Now granted there isn't always a seat available on the train and that's OK. Also, I am the first one to get up for an elderly or handicapped person to sit. But when someone is taking up 2 seats because of their size/weight? Or if someone is sitting in priority/handicapped seating because they are obese??? F-that!
The other day there was ONE seat left on the train, I walked over to sit there and two hugely obese women on either side of the empty seat, each taking up a seat and a half, gave me that narrow eyed look that said "yeah I'm fat, deal with it"! I was so pissed....
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I'd be widely accepted during winter months then0
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peckchris3267 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short.
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http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blogs/SIOW/2011/09/why-are-short-people-discriminated-against.html
https://www.businessmanagementdaily.com/35885/the-long-and-short-of-height-discrimination-under-the-ada
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1344817
http://www.employment-studies.co.uk/news/heightism-unacknowledged-bias
And there are many, many more.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short.
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"There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short."
Still waiting for proof of that.
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OutOfUserName wrote: »joemac1988 wrote: »I'm fine with people being fat as long as it doesn't affect other people. Examples:
- You're flowing into my airplane seat. If you take a percentage of the space I paid for, you should pay me that percentage.
- My health insurance/hospital/general medical costs are higher because the costs are averaged so I'm carrying you financially
- You're not taking a handicapped space from someone who is actually handicapped.
- You're blocking a whole store aisle in the motorized wheelchair because your knees weren't designed to carry the weight of 3 people
- You're setting the temperature at work or wherever to "frigid" because you have the blubber of an adult walrus
- And so on.
Go ahead, be fat and I'll happily accept it. Just don't impose that decision on me. And for the record, same goes for other things like smoking. You want to smoke? Fine. Throw you butt out the window though and I'll do my best to throw it back on your lap. You want to drive slow? Go ahead. Do it in the outside lane and I'll push you out of the way.
so what about you turning the heat up on cold days coz your skinny as s has no fat to insulate you? that works both ways right? lmaooo!
You should bring a snuggie to work.
Preferably the cheetah print.2 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short.
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"There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short."
Still waiting for proof of that.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23592654/
There are no such protections for short people and I have provided several links showing that the short are discriminated against. The short have absolutely no legal recourse, the fat do.
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"Last week, the American Medical Association voted to classify obesity as a disease. In one day, 78 million American adults and 12 million American children were deemed to have a medical condition that needs treatment. The decision was controversial to say the least.Jun 24, 2013"0
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Discrimination is wrong, but most of these organizations are simply obtuse to think they make much of a difference, they are simply lining the pockets of employees or lobbyists. Heck, discrimination happens every day all day in all aspects of life and is unprotected by law most of the time. Smoke? Your insurance company is going to discriminate against you and charge you more. Not only health insurance, but car insurance, and other types. Law allows it. Smoking is perfectly legal, and your own government and government funded organizations will fight to keep your right to smoke and keep products that reduce harm by tobacco off the market (e-cigarettes) so that they can continue to collect taxes from it. It's just one example, but you get the picture. You can even be discriminated against for employment if you have a bad credit record. You can even be discriminated against for your sexual preference. Not your sex, but your sexual preference. Happens. Every. Day. Legally. It's BS, but it's true.2
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peckchris3267 wrote: »Tbh this is exactly what OP wanted to happen. It's like the vegan thread all over again.
Try the debate forum.2 -
I think there are 2 things being discussed here. Legitimate differences (and perceived discrimination) because someone is obese and then actual discrimination based on someone's appearance (which happens every day, being fat is no exception)
Scenario 1: You're 400lbs you have to buy 2 seats on an aircraft - OKAY
Scenario 2: Two People of identical education and experience (maybe the fit one a little less so even) interview for a position and one is obese and the other fit; the fit person gets hired - NOT OKAY but good luck proving it
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"You're setting the temperature at work or wherever to "frigid" because you have the blubber of an adult walrus"
Have to admit that I like a warmer room than many of my overweight friends, they're usually uncomfortably hot when I'm very happy with the temperature.
Yes I bring an extra sweater everywhere ....or 3.
Bias and discrimination are never acceptable, in today's medical climate a Dr will usually push weight loss before attempting other treatment and could that be because the obesity is "percentage wise" often the cause of the issue?0 -
Ironandwine69 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short.
That's BS. Us tall people have to try hard to find pants that are long enough. Most stores discriminate us and don't carry long length sizes!! That's discrimination!
I'm being discriminated against as a thin person in the US! I had to special order my pants because stores don't carry the right size. Plenty of sizes in stock for the clinically overweight/obese though (the sizes I used to wear). And half of the brands of clothes don't even sell a size I can wear due to vanity sizing. The smalls are still too large and baggy (Old Navy, I'm looking at you...).0 -
The_Enginerd wrote: »Ironandwine69 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short.
That's BS. Us tall people have to try hard to find pants that are long enough. Most stores discriminate us and don't carry long length sizes!! That's discrimination!
I'm being discriminated against as a thin person in the US! I had to special order my pants because stores don't carry the right size. Plenty of sizes in stock for the clinically overweight/obese though (the sizes I used to wear). And half of the brands of clothes don't even sell a size I can wear due to vanity sizing. The smalls are still too large and baggy (Old Navy, I'm looking at you...).
I hate trying to find size 30x36 anything for my son. It's nearly impossible in brick and mortar stores. When he wore a 28-inch waist, it was impossible. Thank goodness for online shopping!0 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »We Come in All Sizes…
Understand it.
Support it.
Accept it.
You're really obsessed with the fact that other people don't feel terrible about themselves. That's not a good trait.6 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »But extra costs are incurred, more embalming fluid is used and fat people are the reason they have had to buy these lifts that cost up to $25,000.
Pecker,your numbers are BS. I know this because I'm a licensed funeral director and embalmer. A bottle of embalming fluid costs roughly $5 and a fancy body lift costs around $5,000. The funeral home I work at has a "homemade" lift which is a car wench and four straps attached to it. It gets the job done just fine. There is no excuse for a funeral home to charge a family extra because of their body weight. That person has to be taken care of just like anyone else. They deserve to be treated with the same respect as a 150 lb individual.13 -
joemac1988 wrote: »LittleHearseDriver wrote: »Overweight people are discriminated against, I've seen it in my own field. There are funeral homes who charge extra for people who are obese which isn't fair because families cannot help how much their loved one weighs.
How is that unfair? They need a bigger box, a bigger hole and are harder to carry!!! Those are costs that need to be covered by someone and if they just average it out that means I'm paying more because someone else is fat!All graves are the same size! Pallbearers are friends and family, they are not paid to carry the casket. Over sized caskets are more expensive and that is justified, but it cost the funeral home nothing to dress that person and put them in a casket.
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LittleHearseDriver wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »But extra costs are incurred, more embalming fluid is used and fat people are the reason they have had to buy these lifts that cost up to $25,000.
Pecker,your numbers are BS. I know this because I'm a licensed funeral director and embalmer. A bottle of embalming fluid costs roughly $5 and a fancy body lift costs around $5,000. The funeral home I work at has a "homemade" lift which is a car wench and four straps attached to it. It gets the job done just fine. There is no excuse for a funeral home to charge a family extra because of their body weight. That person has to be taken care of just like anyone else. They deserve to be treated with the same respect as a 150 lb individual.
http://www.thegazette.com/2011/01/02/larger-in-life-clients-create-challenges-in-funeral-industry0
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