July 2017 Running Challenge
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JimCrackinDandy wrote: »
@girlinahat Oh my. So sad to hear that your'e feeling so bad. Maybe you need an antibiotic and steroids? I also am prone to asthma, and taking my inhalers seem to work the best for me when I get asthmatic bronchitis. Still praying for a quick healing for you. Keep walking and cross training. See you in August!
Thanks. I try not to take antibiotics as most things like this will clear up without intervention and we have enough antibiotic resistant viruses in the world already. Apparently the AVERAGE length of a cough is nine days and anything under three weeks doesn't necessarily warrant a doctors visit. I'll rethink next week if it's still there - the cough has set off IBS so I'm having a FANTASTIC time!!!
Good news is I've transferred my HM place and only lost £10 on camping. Just an annoyance
However, by the time I restart in August, I'll be pretty much a month since I did any consistent running. Anyone any suggestions on how to break back into it?1 -
July Running Totals (miles)
7/1 – 14.00 paced run
7/2 – 14.03 easy
7/3 – 6.21 easy + 4 strides
7/4 – 8.07 warm up + 4 mile race
7/5 – 7.40 group run
7/6 – 12.06 warm up + MP intervals
7/7 – rest day
7/8 – 15.01 paced 10 + ad hoc 5
7/9 – 11.83 easy 90 minutes
7/10 – 6.95 easy + 4 strides
7/11 – 11.37 warm up, speed work, cool down
7/12 – 6.04 group run
7/13 – 11.62 warm up, speed work, cool down
7/14 – rest day
7/15 – 20.25 warm up, pace half marathon, easy 5 miles post-race
7/16 – 13.12 easy 100 minutes
7/17 – 7.32 easy
7/18 – 10.62 warm up, speed work, cool down
7/19 – rest day
7/20 – 14.01 MP intervals
7/21 – rest day
7/22 – 17.02 paced run
7/23 – 12.47 easy with hills
7/24 – 7.84 easy + 4 strides
7/25 – 12.00 warm up, speed work, cool down
July total to date – 239.24
Nominal Challenge Goal – 260 miles
Real Goals: Stay healthy. Train toward Rochester Marathon. Pace Shoreline Half as close as possible to a 1:40 finish with even splits. Run Karknocker 5K in under 20 minutes.
Today's Yesterday's notes – Running in the evening has been putting pressure on my bed time, and yesterday the summary got squeezed out of my priority list. So here it is, a day late. Same thing might happen with this evening's run.
Yesterday the heat broke. Most of the day the temperature was in the mid-60s F, cooler outside than inside. Forecast for evening was more of the same. Garmin claims it was 70º F (21º C) with 64% relative humidity when I ran; it felt a few degrees cooler than that. It felt so cool that runners weren't really noticing the humidity while running, just noticing the sweat drenched clothing afterwards.
Ran my 2-ish mile warm up. Dang, that felt easy in the cool weather! Yesterday's speed assignment was 2 x 3 miles at T with 3 minutes recovery, then 4 x 200 at R with 200 recovery. There is no good path to continually run from the roads to the track we're currently using, so I modified this to be 2 x 4800m at T instead of 2 x 3 miles. Close enough.
My target T pace on a track is 49 seconds per 200m, which translates to 6:32 for 1600m. That makes the target for 4800m 19:36. I brought the 4800s in at 19:16 and 19:37. In the second interval, I was tired enough that T pace was more like the target, i.e. no running faster than T because I'm fresh. My target 200 at R would be 41-42 seconds when I'm fresh; 3 minutes of recovery after the 2nd 4800, the 200s came in at 41.7, 43.4, 41.3, and 42.7. I'm okay with that, though I could do 200s faster when I'm fresh. As Coach said, that's why we do the R pace at the end of the workout.
Then the 2-ish mile cool down was incredibly pleasant, running on the irregular (compared to the track) surface of the roads and trails. I could feel that having some variation in incline and camber was good for legs that worked hard on a smooth, even surface.
I have the Karknocker 5K on Friday. I considered the options of taking a rest day today and doing something light tomorrow; or doing the group run this evening and taking tomorrow as my rest day. Asked Coach about that.
Coach: You have any competition at Karknocker? Bill's not running it.
Me: I'd like to break 20 minutes, but it doesn't look like I need to crush the time to win the age group.
Coach: It doesn't matter. Do whatever you feel like.
That was kind of an affirmation that I shouldn't bust my butt at Karnknocker. Just go out an treat it as an interval workout, 3 miles at I pace followed by 200m at R pace or as close to R as I have left at that point. Maybe even run a soft I pace. Bill says he won't be running Karknocker, but I'll recognize him if he shows up. I wouldn't recognize Charlie, who recently aged up; but if Charlie is running, it doesn't matter if I PR; he'll finish ahead of me.
So I decided I'd do the group run this evening, take tomorrow as a rest day, and just go have some fun Friday at Karknocker. I expect to win the age group, unless Charlie or some unknown ringer shows up. I don't expect that there will be significant bling for the age group win, but it is a Rochester Runner of the Year race. I need 6 age group wins in that series to clinch the age group win for the series. I currently have 4, and am registered for 4 of the 7 remaining races. No money is on the line, just bragging rights.
In other news, I committed to the USATF Masters Mile in Flint, Michigan on August 25. I am not yet formally registered, but the club has me on the list of people it will register. I see no reason to believe I won't be healthy enough to travel a few hundred miles to run a mile on the roads a month from now, and some of my team mates would be annoyed if I didn't run that one.
2017 races:
January 1, 2017 Freezeroo #2 (Resolution Run 7.5 mile) (Mendon, NY) Finished in 50:45
January 7, 2017 Winter Warrior Half Marathon (Gates, NY) Finished in 1:32:40
January 14, 2017 Freezeroo #3 (Pineway Ponds Park 5 mile) (Spencerport, NY) Finished in 33:42
January 28, 2017 Freezeroo #4 (Hearnish 5 mile) (Victor, NY) short course, finished 4.88 miles in 32:50
February 4, 2017 USATF Cross Country National Championship Masters 8K (Bend, OR) Finished in 35:39, team won the 60+ Men's cross country championship
February 11, 2017 Freezeroo #5 (Valentines Run "In Memory of Tom Brannon" 8 Mile) (Greece, NY) sat out due to training schedule
February 25, 2017 Freezeroo #6 (White House Challenge 4.4 mile) (Webster, NY) short course, finished 4.34 miles in 27:51
March 11, 2017 Johnny's Runnin' of the Green 5 mile (Rochester, NY) finished in 33:25
March 18, 2017 USATF Masters 8K Championship (Shamrock 8K, Virginia Beach, VA) finished in 30:59, PR for 8K
April 17, 2017 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA) finished in 3:49:42
April 30, 2017 USATF Masters 10K Championship (James Joyce Ramble, Dedham, MA) finished in 39:54, PR for 10K
May 21, 2017 Lilac Run 10K (Rochester, NY) finished in 40:04
May 27, 2017 Canandaigua Classic Half Marathon (Canandaigua, NY) finished in 1:33:06
June 9, 2017 Charlie McMullen Mile (Fairport, NY) finished in 5:44.90, PR for mile
June 18, 2017 Medved 5K to Cure ALS (Rochester, NY) finished in 19:32
July 4, 2017 Firecracker Four Mile (Fairport, NY) finished in 25:42
July 15, 2017 Shoreline Half Marathon [1:40 pacer] (Hamlin, NY) finished in 1:39:05
July 28, 2017 Karknocker 5K (East Rochester, NY)
August 9, 2017 Pound the Ground 10K (Mendon, NY)
August 12, 2017 Bergen Road Race 5K (Bergen, NY)
August 25, 2017 USATF Masters Mile (Hap Crim Michigan Mile, Flint, MI)
September 3, 2017 Oak Tree Half Marathon (Geneseo, NY)
September 17, 2017 MVP Rochester Marathon (Rochester, NY)
November 23, 2017 Race with Grace 10K (Hilton, NY)
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@RespectTheKitty I often FEEL like a dessert after dinner, but find if I have a hot chocolate, a peppermint tea or a cognac that tends to sort the urge for that.
Peppermint tea has the advantage of being no calorie and slightly sweet, and I find if I wait a while the cravings go.1 -
Yesterday the heat broke. Most of the day the temperature was in the mid-60s F, cooler outside than inside. Forecast for evening was more of the same. Garmin claims it was 70º F (21º C) with 64% relative humidity when I ran; it felt a few degrees cooler than that. It felt so cool that runners weren't really noticing the humidity while running, just noticing the sweat drenched clothing afterwards.
WHAAA???? Ding dang no wonder your so fast!2 -
JimCrackinDandy wrote: »What a review @MobyCarp ! Well... I guess I will have to see how my phone holds up in the heat. I'm sorry to say that I've never paid attention to interval work. I followed Hal Higdon's marathon running plan in 2013 and he didn't require it. Funny thing, I just printed off another copy of it this morning for a Nov 5th marathon I'd like to run. Maybe interval training is something I should look into? But quite honestly if I am not trying to beat anyone, just finish strong, I wonder if I need to do interval training?
@JimCrackinDandy - If you're just trying to go the distance, without being worried about how fast you go the distance, you don't truly need intervals. Longer intervals can help with stamina and with learning to manage your pace, which are important things for a longer race; but I got through my first marathon after a so-called training cycle with no speed work that did not require an entry fee.
Even if you decide you want to do some speed work, whether you need a GPS watch depends on what you do. As long as you're happy with time-defined intervals (e.g., run 4 minutes hard, run 3 minutes easy), the app can probably handle that. At least, I could program time-defined intervals into RunKeeper, and I assume MapMyRun should have a similar capability.
I'd be more concerned about battery life for a marathon with a smart watch; the apps tend to add "features" over time that make them bigger battery hogs. But if you can get through a training run that takes as long as you expect the marathon to take, your battery life at the end of that training run will be a clue as to how critical it is to get a watch instead of just relying on the phone. Then again, if you don't care that much about having your own GPS record of the race, that's not a critical thing.
I hope you're content with whatever equipment/course of action you settle on.0 -
girlinahat wrote: »However, by the time I restart in August, I'll be pretty much a month since I did any consistent running. Anyone any suggestions on how to break back into it?
You will not lose much ground in a month. It will take a run or three to get back into the swing, so maybe roll back your training plan a couple weeks and see how that goes. Take first couple runs as tests and I think you will quickly get back to where you were.0 -
Date Miles today - Miles for July
7/1 13.1 miles - 13.1
7/2 REST DAY
7/3 10 miles - 23.1
7/4 10 miles - 33.1
7/5 5 miles - 38.1
7/6 REST DAY
7/7 REST DAY
7/8 14 miles - 52.1
7/9 REST DAY
7/10 10.5 miles - 62.6
7/11 10 miles - 72.6
7/12 REST DAY
7/13 10 miles - 82.6
7/14 4 miles 86.6
7/15 REST DAY
7/16 REST DAY
7/17 10.5 miles - 97.1
7/18 7.4 miles - 104.5
7/19 REST DAY
7/20 9 miles - 113.5
7/21 REST DAY
7/22 REST DAY
7/22 REST DAY
7/23 REST DAY
7/24 5.5 miles - 119
7/25 REST DAY
7/26 5 miles - 124
Elkmont Hound Dog Half (unofficial) - 1/21 << 1:46:48 2 OA
Elkmont Hound Dog Half (rescheduled) - 2/18 << 1:41:04 1 in AG & 24 OA
Kentucky Derby Festival Marathon - 4/29 << 4:09:59
Upcoming races:
None so far
My mojo has not been very good lately. I need to get my butt in gear.
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@ddmom0811 100mi cycling in two days, that's awesome! Only a single stop with too-little water on a 66mi ride sounds insane. Even if it was a free ride and you don't want to complain, maybe the organisers would appreciate some feedback and can improve it for next year? I'd rather pay 5$ for an event and have proper food & drink then join for free and collapse from dehydration, and I can imagine most people interested in joining these rides would feel the same.
Awesome that your "day off" is strength training!
@girlinahat , so sorry you are sick! Not risking to make the infection worse by running/walking a half was probably the wisest decision. I don't think it means you'll quite more easily on future races - I had to DNS a 10km race once, but that remains my only cancelled race so far... In any case, get well soon!
You'll probably lose less fitness than you think, and it will come back faster, so for sure it won't be like starting from scratch. I'd just go for a nice, slow and easy run when you feel better and see which distance feels okay to you.
@skippygirlsmom Poor dead garmin Sometimes I forget my watch, am too lazy to walk up all the stairs when I notice, and run with the Strava app instead. But a quick glance at the wrist is so much more convenient than checking pace and distance on the phone... Enjoy your new Forerunner 235
@PastorVincent For your synchronisation problems, have you tried https://tapiriik.com/ ? You can "connect" different running sites there and sync them all at once with a single click. In case that works without lost GPS points, you can also pay to have it done automatically, for 2$/year. That's how I get my data from Strava to Runkeeper and Garmin.
Re "men's and women's shoes": As @seanevan10 wrote, I've also read once that women's shoes are often narrower in the heel and wider in the toes than men's shoes. I don't know about the wider toebox - I need to buy Saucony/Inov-8/Asics/Altras, all other brands are too narrow for my toes... I just know that once I bought the men's version of some running shoes when they were on sale for much less. While the foot length was right, they never fit properly, I got blisters all the time, so they clearly were shaped differently.
@RespectTheKitty I don't know if you want to try some homemade remedy for the road rash, but in my experience honey really helps. I get enough scrapes and bruises from trail running that I tried quite a few things, and I found it speeds up healing much better than anything else. Plain honey is a bit sticky, so I now always have some selfmade salve in my fridge (half coconut oil, half honey, a few drops of lavender oil). Actually, I just put some on a nice new bloody gash on my knee an hour ago.
Unfortunately I have easy-cure idea about the cravings. I hope the doctor will have some good advice for you!
@KatieJane83 Congrats on the distance PR! Those photos look like you might want to try the magic honey cure as well
@shanaber Great race report and photos!
That's weird about the app timing. Do you use Strava? There you can set a run to "race", then it should switch from "moving time" back to "elapsed time", maybe that would account for the time difference.
@MobyCarp Nice socks! Great that they seem to be good quality too, on top of being pretty.
@JimCrackinDandy I used Hal Higdons plans too for both my marathons so far - "Intermediate 2" for the first one, which didn't have any speedwork, and for the second I did a mix between that one and his "Advanced 1" (replaces one of the easy runs in the intermediate plan with the speedwork from the corresponding week in the advanced plan).
If you didn't do speedwork until now, you probably shouldn't start it at the same time as a new marathon training plan.1 -
Thank you so very kindly @MobyCarp and @_nikkiwolf_
I think that I will stay with what I know for this marathon training mainly because (for me) it's about the distance / endurance and not so much the speed, unless of course the awful Sweeper Wagon comes to pick me up
I will probably look into interval training and somehow make it a small part of the weeks ahead. And I will keep an eye on my phone's battery life.
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A quick question to everyone who runs intervals: How do you account for the terrain in your pace, when you don't have a track?
For example on Monday I did "3x1600m", with a target time of 8:40min per interval.
Thanks to some small (but still noticeable) hills, my three intervals ended up being
- 9:09min (+24m/-5m),
- 8:45min (+8m/-11m),
- 8:39min (+4m/-20m).
I was a bit frustrated that I didn't manage my goal time on the first one, despite the fact that that felt harder than the other two. Now I just entered the elevation info and distance into a calculator I found ( http://www.runworks.com/calculator.html ) and that claims that "equivalent flat times" would be: 8:28, 8:41, 8:52 min. If I want to believe that, the first interval was actually okay (even a bit too fast), and the last one too slow. Not sure what to make of that and how to adjust my speed the next time I want to run intervals...
My run today had a lot more elevation than those intervals. I drove over to the mountains again. So much fun!
The weather was perfect - the temperature only around 23°C (~74°F), a few clouds, but some sun too. I got a CR on one of the climb seconds (only two other female Strava users ever logged it, but still ).
The route I chose today starts as a road and then the trail gets more and more narrow and technical, until you get to the top. On the way down it's a paved road again for a while and then a really fun forest trail. All in all the perfect mix
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@_nikkiwolf_ on trail, or road with decent differences in elevation, I try to go more by HR than pace if I'm doing intervals, just because terrain can really mess with things.
Love the pictures from today by the way!1 -
@MobyCarp Thanks for the advice. I think it could be just a bad reading. I was not feeling the stress like I do when my heart beats that fast. I'll try to remembered to do a better job with the maintenance on the device. The device is very new but perhaps the battery is old.0
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@kgirlhart - I would have taken off running away from that snake too! Although looking at the picture he looks pretty fat or well fed. Maybe he wasn't hungry and wouldn't have bothered you - doesn't matter I still would have taken off running away!
@girlinahat - hope you feel better soon!!
@RespectTheKitty - I agree with all the items in @PastorVincent's reply. I don't drink any sugar drinks or diet drinks. I mostly drink water and sometimes sparkling water with a little lemon, lime or tart cherry juice. I don't eat or use any of the sugar replacement products. I eat lots of small meals/snacks and I think protein is a good choice to help with cravings - a bit of cheese or a string cheese, a hard boiled egg (if you like eggs), etc.. all are good choices and pretty low in calories. Also celery with a little peanut butter or almond butter is also great.0 -
My new Brooks Glycerin 15s arrived today. Will try them out tomorrow!
7/1 - 5.5 miles - Barcelona!
7/2 - 7.5 miles - Barcelona again!
7/3 - 2 miles (Treadmill on cruise)
7/4 - rest - lots of walking in Nice, Monaco and Monte Carlo
7/5 - 3 miles - 22 laps on cruise running track. Set out for 5 miles, but it wasn't fun.
7/6 - rest - lots of walking in Rome
7/7 - rest - Amalfi coast and Pompeii
7/8 - 4.1 treadmill on cruise
7/9 - rest - travel day
7/10 - 7 miles in Munich
7/11 - 6 miles in Munich
7/12 - travel day
7/13 - 4.2 miles back home w/daughter
7/14 - 6.0 miles
7/15 - 45 miles biking
7/16 - 28 miles biking
7/17 - 4.6 miles
7/18 - 5.1 miles
7/19 - strength training
7/20 - 5 miles
7/21 - 5 miles
7/22 - 34 miles biking
7/23 - 66 miles biking
7/24 - 5 miles
7/25 - Strength training
7/26 - 7.5 miles - goal!
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_nikkiwolf_ wrote: »@PastorVincent For your synchronisation problems, have you tried https://tapiriik.com/ ? You can "connect" different running sites there and sync them all at once with a single click. In case that works without lost GPS points, you can also pay to have it done automatically, for 2$/year. That's how I get my data from Strava to Runkeeper and Garmin.
Yes, actually Tapiriik is the CAUSE of the problems. The techs at Strava and I tested this and I have abandoned my paid Tapiriik account because of it.
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cburke8909 wrote: »@MobyCarp Thanks for the advice. I think it could be just a bad reading. I was not feeling the stress like I do when my heart beats that fast. I'll try to remembered to do a better job with the maintenance on the device. The device is very new but perhaps the battery is old.
Is this a wrist mounted HRM? If so - make sure it can not move around at all while you run. If it slides around just a little you will get bad readings. I have tested this many times and verified (sample size 2 watches lol). For example, My wife got about 4 or 5 miles of heart rates OVER 200 when her watch was loose enough to move. Securing it properly brought her heart rate down 60+ BPM.0 -
04/07 3.79miles
05/07 4.80 miles
06/07 3.45 miles
07/07 3.23 miles
08/07 3.26 miles - inhaled my first fly of the year.
17/07 3.78 miles
18/07 3.36 miles - that was a slow and steady slog (note to self- do not eat a steak a few hours before a run)
20/07 4.53 miles
21/07 4.16 miles
25/07 4.51 miles
26/07 3.86 miles
I'm way behind on reading the posts as we've got a family wedding and my daughter's 18th birthday coming up over the weekend, but OMG @kgirlhart - I did not miss that snake! I think I'd have a panic attack if I came across that!!!
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@PastorVincent it's a chest strap. But thanks0
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7/1 = gym day: 1 hour strength training
7/2 = 13 miles with running group (run/walk)
7/3 = 7.5 miles & 30 minutes strength training
7/4 = Vinyasa yoga class & 4 miles hiking with hubby and pups
7/5 = 7.5 miles (6 - 5 minutes speed intervals)
7/6 = 5.5 miles
7/7 = 3 miles (track workout: 2 laps warm up, x8 300m sprints, x8 100m recovery walk, 2 laps cool down) & gym Kettlebell workout
7/8 = 5.5 miles
7/9 = 13 miles
7/10 = 7 miles & 45 minutes strength training
7/11 = Vinyasa yoga class
7/12 = 8 miles (6 - 6 minutes speed intervals)
7/13 = 4.5 miles
7/14 = 3.5 miles (track workout 400m sprints with 100m recovery) & 45 minutes strength training
7/15 = 5.5 miles
7/16 = 13.5 miles
7/17 = 7 miles & 45 minutes of strength training
7/18 = Vinyasa yoga class
7/19 = 7.5 miles (6 - 6 minutes speed intervals) & gym kettlebell workout
7/20 = 4 miles
7/21= 3.5 miles (track workout 400m sprints with 100m recovery) & 45 minutes strength training
7/22 = 4 miles
7/23 = 13.5 miles
7/24 = 8 miles & 45 minutes strength training
7/25 = Vinyasa yoga class
7/26 = 6 miles
I don't log in for a day and half and I am 120 posts behind. LOL
Yoga day yesterday and 6 easy miles this morning. I had a minor medical procedure yesterday and totally threw my diet out the window in self-pity. I was going to run longer this morning to make up for it. However, when I put in my calories from yesterday I discovered I was 1020 calories over my goal. There is no way I am running all that off before work! Oh well.
(July miles to date) 152.5/170 (July goal miles)
Upcoming 2017 Races:
8/12 = Verns No Frills 100 Anniversary 5K Race
10/28 = Hill Country Halloween Half Marathon
11/23 = Georgetown Turkey Trot
12/10 = BCS Half Marathon
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90 + posts to catch up on.skippygirlsmom wrote: »I said to Skip should I return the 235 when it comes it was so much money. She said "Momma you never spend money on yourself, you've been looking at that watch for a long time keep it". Right on little girl so I am!KatieJane83 wrote: »Embrace the Suck run! In addition to feeling like crap, I ALSO managed to trip over nothing and epically wipe out on the pavement!
I got in 9.5 km yesterdat in Edmonton - West University Area. It was very hot ( 27C = 81F ) for me and I only had 500ml of water. Overall it was a good run ( beautiful riverside bush trails) - my pace may not have been spectacular but I spent a lot of time soaking in the scenery as I had to pay attention to all the Twist's and Turn's so I didn't get lost. A completely new area for me. Will have to get back to explore more of the area when it's not so hot. When I climbed up out of the River Valley the street I came out on had a dirt trail running along the edge of the bush that I followed. The street beside me appears that it will be used for the ITU-Triathlon this weekend as it was all ready signed for no-parking on the weekend and extra traffic barriers stored along the sidewalks at all the corners.
07/01 0 km – 160 km - 0 km – YTD 686.27
07/01 15.0 km – 145 km - 15km
07/04 13.5 km - 131.5km - 28.5km
07/06 13.6 km - 117.9km - 42.1km
07/09 6.7 km - 111.2km - 48.8km
07/10 5.5 km - 105.7km - 54.3km
07/14 10.0 km - 95.7km - 64.3km
07/16 12.5 km - 83.2km - 76.8km
07/17 7.0 km - 76.3km - 83.8km
07/19 9.5 km - 66.8km - 93.3km
07/20 12.0 km - 54.8km - 105.3km
07/22 16.0 km - 38.8km - 121.3km
07/25 9.5 km - 29.3km - 130.8km - YTD 817.07km 9.5 km in Edmonton West University
29 km away from goal. Un-fortunately the weather looks nasty Hot, Florida-Alabama Hot. Which means 30-40F hotter than our normal average. So the last 29km could be a struggle.6 -
RespectTheKitty wrote: »So I have a problem.
When I was in the outpatient program three months ago, they switched my meds around. One of the new meds they put me on was Abilify. I'd been on Abilify before, and it caused pretty bad food cravings to the point where I gained a lot of weight. (This was before I started exercising regularly). I agreed to go back on Abilify because I felt I was in a much better place with diet and exercise, so I might be able to avoid the weight gain this time. Well, unfortunately I may have been wrong.
The cravings are REALLY bad. I just want to eat and eat and eat, I'm never satisfied anymore. I'm even waking up in the middle of the night to eat. I can't seem to control it.
I had been able to stave off any weight gain for the first three months, but now it seems to be getting out of hand. Even with all the running I do, I've put on four pounds. Yeah, it's not a lot, but it scares me because the scale is going up, and could continue to go up if I don't get a handle on the cravings.
I don't really want to go off the Abilify because it's what's keeping me stable right now. What I need to do is get a handle on the food cravings and get myself back to eating within my allotted calories. But this is going to be a huge task. Running will help, but ultimately it's up to me to limit my food intake.
This post is kind of a half-vent, half-seeking advice. Does anyone else get bad cravings? If so, what do you do to keep them at bay? I've started chewing gum a lot, which helps during the day, but my big problem is at night when it seems like all bets are off and my willpower just flies out the window. What to do then?
I can't afford to gain weight. I've come so far with my weight loss, and it would kill me to gain it back. Plus it would make running a lot harder to do.
I've made an appointment with my doctor to talk about this, but it's not for a couple weeks because he's on vacation right now. I'm seeing my therapist tonight to talk about it. I have plenty of treatment options, so I'm not alone, but I just thought I'd throw this our there and see if anyone has any advice.
@RespectTheKitty I took a 6 months course of prednisone to treat an autoimmune disorder a few years ago. I feel ya' on the cravings. Medication induced hunger SUCKS! I did end up gaining weight but it was worth it in the long run to feel better. Some of the things that helped me:- Sparkling water with flavoring. The bubbles would make me feel full longer.
- Hot tea or bone broth would kill my cravings for a little while. Something about hot liquids on the stomach kill my cravings.
- Eat frequent small meals instead of 3 large meals.
- Always keep cut up fruits and veggies with you for a quick snack. The high fiber and water foods will fill you up faster with less calories.
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JimCrackinDandy wrote: »Talking about watches.... I'm curious, does anyone just use MapMyRun?
I use MapMyRun. I like their guided training plans. I am doing their 1/2 marathon training plan right now.1 -
cburke8909 wrote: »@PastorVincent it's a chest strap. But thanks
As I understand it, they work better when your skin is moist, so at the beginning of your run, you might not be getting a good connection to your body, yielding the same basic problem as the loose wrist monitor. Dunno, that is third-hand info as I have no experience to call on. Something to keep in mind and watch I think.0 -
1---6.38
2---4.25
4---5.11
8---3.37
12---2.90
14---3.58
15---3.31
16---6.23
17---bike
19---3.58
20---3.41 walk
21---3.12 early
21---3.1
22---7.73
23---6.34
25---2.60 walk
26---3.52
67.53/70
Upcoming races:
Oct 1 Spirit of Survival, Lawton OK. Quarter Marathon
Dec 2- POOP trail run, Hoping for a half! Norman OK.
Pre-op PR's
1 mile 8:27 5k 24:42. 10k 1:00.52. HM 2:17.28
Post-op Training PR's 1 mile 10:04 5k 34.27 10k 1:20.012 -
I'm sorry not to comment on everyone's updates - I know there was a snake, and a fall, and not feeling well, and being really hungry. Hope everyone recovers well from all those things. Regarding the food cravings, I also was going to recommend cut up veggies in big quantities and maybe a little bit of your favorite dip or dressing to go with them. I also feel like eating protein helps me feel more satisfied when I get those insatiable hunger pangs. Maybe a boiled egg, some peanut butter (measured out), some tuna or something?
Date :::: Miles :::: Cumulative
07/01/17 :::: 8.1 :::: 8.1
07/02/17 :::: 2.7 :::: 10.8
07/03/17 :::: 3.4 :::: 14.2
07/04/17 :::: 3.6 :::: 17.8
07/05/17 :::: 5.5 :::: 23.3
07/06/17 :::: 2.6 :::: 25.9
07/07/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 25.9
07/08/17 :::: 3.0 :::: 28.9
07/09/17 :::: 8.5 :::: 37.4
07/10/17 :::: 3.3 :::: 40.7
07/11/17 :::: 5.2 :::: 45.9
07/12/17 :::: 3.3 :::: 49.2
07/13/17 :::: 3.0 :::: 52.2
07/14/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 52.2
07/15/17 :::: 9.4 :::: 61.6
07/16/17 :::: 3.6 :::: 65.2
07/17/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 65.2
07/18/17 :::: 3.1 :::: 68.3
07/19/17 :::: 5.5 :::: 73.8
07/20/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 73.8
07/21/17 :::: 3.6 :::: 77.4
07/22/17 :::: 5.2 :::: 82.6
07/23/17 :::: 4.1 :::: 86.6
07/24/17 :::: 9.1 :::: 95.7
07/25/17 :::: 0.0 :::: 95.7
07/26/17 :::: 6.0 :::: 101.7
Goal = 110 miles
I'm back from my Iowa trip and was happy to arrive home to MUCH cooler weather. I was kind of chilly when I got off the plane last night! I didn't get a run in yesterday because of the travel. Tonight I went to group workout and we did short intervals. 60-90-30 seconds with 90 seconds recovery between for 3 sets, then 2 more sets of that with only 30 seconds between. Plus 4 sprints and warm-up and cool-down came to 6 miles for me. I was really fading in the last set but overall it felt good to workout again.
Closing in on goal!8 -
July Running Totals (miles)
7/1 – 14.00 paced run
7/2 – 14.03 easy
7/3 – 6.21 easy + 4 strides
7/4 – 8.07 warm up + 4 mile race
7/5 – 7.40 group run
7/6 – 12.06 warm up + MP intervals
7/7 – rest day
7/8 – 15.01 paced 10 + ad hoc 5
7/9 – 11.83 easy 90 minutes
7/10 – 6.95 easy + 4 strides
7/11 – 11.37 warm up, speed work, cool down
7/12 – 6.04 group run
7/13 – 11.62 warm up, speed work, cool down
7/14 – rest day
7/15 – 20.25 warm up, pace half marathon, easy 5 miles post-race
7/16 – 13.12 easy 100 minutes
7/17 – 7.32 easy
7/18 – 10.62 warm up, speed work, cool down
7/19 – rest day
7/20 – 14.01 MP intervals
7/21 – rest day
7/22 – 17.02 paced run
7/23 – 12.47 easy with hills
7/24 – 7.84 easy + 4 strides
7/25 – 12.00 warm up, speed work, cool down
7/26 – 6.83 group run
July total to date – 246.07
Nominal Challenge Goal – 260 miles
Real Goals: Stay healthy. Train toward Rochester Marathon. Pace Shoreline Half as close as possible to a 1:40 finish with even splits. Run Karknocker 5K in under 20 minutes.
Today's notes – The weather returned to form today, 75º F (24º C) with 65% relative humidity. Went to the group run because I thought it would be more fun that taking today as a rest day and doing a set of 15 second cutbacks between a warmup and cool down tomorrow. I'll take tomorrow as a rest day.
The group run today came with a demo of Hoka One One shoes and GU Toasted Marshmallow flavor. The conversation with the Hoka rep went a little differently than they usually do:
Me: I'll start with the question that eliminates all the other questions. Got any shoes in size 14?
Rep: I *do* have a pair in size 14.
Me: Oh. That leads to other questions. What shoe is it?
Rep: The Clifton 4, it's new. And it's a neutral shoe, like the Kinvaras you're wearing.
Me: What's the heel drop?
Rep: 4 or 5 mm.
Me: It's worth trying them.
So I experienced Hoka One One for the first time in my life. The pair I used had not been worn before. I adjusted the lacing the same way I would for a new pair of Kinvaras, and the shoe uppers fit my feet pretty much like Kinvaras:
Standing up, I felt the wobble that anti-Hoka runners mentioned. Walking, I noticed the heel is trimmed to feel different from what I'm used to. How about running? Did a test jog up and down a lane of the parking lot, and they felt normal enough to wear on the run.
They sent us on an out and back, a familiar route to the Erie Canal Path, turn east, run to a familiar landmark, turn around and come back. This is a rare instance of my knowing exactly where I am going from before I start the group run. That was important, today.
Set out, and felt like I was running on springs. Boing, boing, boing. "The wunnerful thing about Tiggers, is Tiggers are wunnerful things!" Noticed that I was running ahead of the leader. Looked at my watch, and I'm only holding a pace of 8:20. Screw it. I know where I'm going, I'll just run.
So I ran down to the canal path, and essentially ran the planned route as a solo run. Had my Vivofit on my right wrist, so I could see my heart rate. Decided to back off whenever my heart rate went over 130, and mostly kept it lower other that a couple minor hills where the path had to go up at locks on the canal. Saw a faster guy going out when I first started back. Hey, Ben, why aren't you ahead of me? I think he started later.
Going back, it was more downhill. Heart rate stayed under control, pace was a little faster. I mostly paid attention to heart rate, pace, and how the shoes felt. Ended up with an average pace of 7:39 per mile, average heart rate of 127, max heart rate of 136. It's harder than one might think to back off enough to bring the heart rate down, but I managed okay.
Verdict on the shoes: After I got to the canal path, the "boing, boing" feeling faded into the background and I just ran. It felt pretty normal most of the time. I noticed it was much better cushioning for downhill running than the Kinvaras, and I seemed to have less feel and control when running on grass or trail. If I could guarantee a run would be all asphalt and concrete, I think I might prefer the Hokas.
Got back, and thought about it. Have to look at the price, and decide whether they're economical enough to be worth buying. Then there was a raffle for a free pair of shoes, and they drew my ticket. What model do you want? The same one I demoed, thank you very much. Assuming the rep can read my handwriting, I should be getting a pair of Hoka One One Clifton 4's in the mail some time in the not too distant future.
I'll certainly give them a good test and see how I like them. Maybe they'll be good enough to be worth wearing to run Boston; that great downhill cushioning would be nice there.
2017 races:
January 1, 2017 Freezeroo #2 (Resolution Run 7.5 mile) (Mendon, NY) Finished in 50:45
January 7, 2017 Winter Warrior Half Marathon (Gates, NY) Finished in 1:32:40
January 14, 2017 Freezeroo #3 (Pineway Ponds Park 5 mile) (Spencerport, NY) Finished in 33:42
January 28, 2017 Freezeroo #4 (Hearnish 5 mile) (Victor, NY) short course, finished 4.88 miles in 32:50
February 4, 2017 USATF Cross Country National Championship Masters 8K (Bend, OR) Finished in 35:39, team won the 60+ Men's cross country championship
February 11, 2017 Freezeroo #5 (Valentines Run "In Memory of Tom Brannon" 8 Mile) (Greece, NY) sat out due to training schedule
February 25, 2017 Freezeroo #6 (White House Challenge 4.4 mile) (Webster, NY) short course, finished 4.34 miles in 27:51
March 11, 2017 Johnny's Runnin' of the Green 5 mile (Rochester, NY) finished in 33:25
March 18, 2017 USATF Masters 8K Championship (Shamrock 8K, Virginia Beach, VA) finished in 30:59, PR for 8K
April 17, 2017 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA) finished in 3:49:42
April 30, 2017 USATF Masters 10K Championship (James Joyce Ramble, Dedham, MA) finished in 39:54, PR for 10K
May 21, 2017 Lilac Run 10K (Rochester, NY) finished in 40:04
May 27, 2017 Canandaigua Classic Half Marathon (Canandaigua, NY) finished in 1:33:06
June 9, 2017 Charlie McMullen Mile (Fairport, NY) finished in 5:44.90, PR for mile
June 18, 2017 Medved 5K to Cure ALS (Rochester, NY) finished in 19:32
July 4, 2017 Firecracker Four Mile (Fairport, NY) finished in 25:42
July 15, 2017 Shoreline Half Marathon [1:40 pacer] (Hamlin, NY) finished in 1:39:05
July 28, 2017 Karknocker 5K (East Rochester, NY)
August 9, 2017 Pound the Ground 10K (Mendon, NY)
August 12, 2017 Bergen Road Race 5K (Bergen, NY)
August 25, 2017 USATF Masters Mile (Hap Crim Michigan Mile, Flint, MI)
September 3, 2017 Oak Tree Half Marathon (Geneseo, NY)
September 17, 2017 MVP Rochester Marathon (Rochester, NY)
November 23, 2017 Race with Grace 10K (Hilton, NY)
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Main goal is to survive the Eugene Curnow Trail marathon and get more time on feet.
Nominal mileage goal: Let's say 100? Maybe I'll be a PastorVincent and set my goal at the end of the month
7/1- 11
7/2- REST/Family day
7/3- REST/Family Day
7/4- 6ey stinger
7/5- 5
7/6- 6
7/6- 5.1<--daily double
7/7- REST
7/8-17.7
7/9-9
7/10- REST
7/11- 3.1
7/12- 3.1
7/13- REST
7/14- REST
7/15- 25.9
7/16- REST
7/17- REST
7/18- REST
7/19- REST
7/20- REST
7/21- REST
7/22- "rest" 5k hile with 800+ elevation
7/23- 4
7/24- REST
7/25- 8
7/26-3.1
7/26- 5.1<--- Daily Double
Total: 112.3
Evening notes: Starting some mild 2 a days, in anticipation of 100k training ramping up. After this morning's 5k on the ski hill, tonight was a flat, easy run. Ran 5.1 miles in 49:24, for an average pace of 9:40. Average HR was 152, with a max of 158. 78% of the run was in z2, so not perfect, but close enough for just getting back into things.
Hope you all had a runderful day!
2017 Races Scheduled
6/16- William A Irvin 5k
6/17- Grandma's Marathon 4:24:06
7/15- Eugene Curnow Trail Marathon 7:22:23
8/19- Rampage at the Ridge 5k OCR
9/23- Ely Marathon (full)
10/21 Wild Duluth 100k
11/23- TBD 5k Turkey3 -
@seanevan10 and @JimCrackinDandy I have a FitBit Charge HR (first generation), and I use MapMyFitness (because I do other activities besides run). I liked them both and they've served me well over that last couple of years. However, I have long since reached my goal weight so weight loss is no longer my focus. I want to run better and faster, conquer a few tough obstacle course races, and stay injury free. Neither the tracker nor the app make tracking special training workouts very easy. I've adjusted things to make them work for me for now, but I have my eye on the Garmin Forerunner 235. I need something waterproof with HR monitoring that can measure off intervals and isn't going to break the bank like the Fenix. My daughter is training for her first tri and is looking at the Vivoactive. We are not elite athletes at all, but this is what we work with. Hope that helps.2
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7/1 - Rest Day
7/2 -Rest Day
7/3 - Rest Day
7/4 - 2.98 (Based on Garmin distance) for local 5K… time was 26:22; not a PR at all, but I haven't run at all since 6/24 and won't be fat adapted for awhile yet.
7/5 - 5.03 miles - not as fast as I planned
7/6 - 3.01 miles treadmill. Plan was for easy miles, and these were scary slow.
7/7 - Rest day
7/8 - 7.37 miles. New trail running shoes! Went out on a trail I haven't visited for awhile, was hot and very slow. Very tall grass in areas made this very difficult as well.
7/9 - Rest
7/10 - Rest
7/11 - 3.0 easy miles treadmill, very slow, before weight lifting. It's hot outside and it is just easy to run on the treadmill at the gym before lifting. I knew I was going to lose some speed when changing nutrition again, but this is really starting to scare me.
7/12 - 5.02 miles, still slower than I wanted.
7/13 - 3.0 miles treadmill before lifting weights. Still slow, but plan was for easy miles.
7/14 - Rest
7/15 - Rest
7/16 - 9.08 miles, struggled with managing BG.
7/17 - Rest
7/18 - 3 miles, treadmill. Easy effort, but excellent pace. I've been struggling lately, even (especially) on the treadmill. This run brought back some enthusiasm. 2 things different this time: 1. The only food I had all day was coffee with HWC at breakfast, a piece of cheese for lunch, and 3 snack sized Slim Jims for a snack mid-afternoon (2 hrs. before running). Another explanation is that I'm finally more fat adapted again (intentional transition that should take longer than this) or electrolytes are better balance. This was warm-up before weight lifting.
7/19 - 5.05 miles "at race pace." Heat index of 108F, but still faster than expected for the heat (9:51 avg mile). And I feel good about my pace again. This time, I also did not do much walking to start out (1 block), and I took a cold shower before heading out because of the heat.
7/20 - 3.00 miles treadmill before weight lifting.
7/21 - Rest
7/22 - 6.00 trail run - heat, humidity, and hills made this a lot more walking than running; but I'm counting it anyway. FWIW, my HR looked like I was running.
7/23 - Rest
7/24 - Rest
7/25 - 3.02 miles treadmill
7/26 - 6.23 miles
Upcoming Races:
7/4/17 - Miner 5K
7/29/17 - Dr. Dash 10K
9/9/17 - Wabash Trace HM (Maybe)
10/21/17 - Oregon Trail Run HM
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July 1 – 5.0 miles & 21DFX ABC Extreme
July 2 – 3.0 miles & P90X3 Isometrix
July 3 – 4 miles & 21DFX Power Strength Extreme
July 4 – 0.0 miles XT Swimming laps for 45 minutes and 21DFX Dirty 30 Extreme
July 5 – 10.0 miles Long Run
July 6 – 3.0 miles and 21 DFX Upper Fix Extreme and Lower Fix Extreme
July 7 – 6.75 miles Intervals
July 8 – 0.0 miles Rest
July 9 – 5.0 miles Easy
July 10 – 4.0 miles Easy with Strides (8) & 21DFX Plyo Fix Extreme
July 11 – 0.0 miles XT/Water Zumba and 45 minutes swimming laps and 2 hours of dancing
July 12 – 10.5 miles Long Run with 2 1-mile Tempo intervals separated be a 1-minute recovery
July 13 – 3.0 miles Easy & 21 DFX Upper Fix Extreme and Lower Fix Extreme
July 14 – 7.0 miles Interval run
July 15 – 5.0 miles Easy & 21DFX Dirty 30 Extreme
July 16 – 3.0 miles Easy
July 17 – 4.0 miles Hill Sprints and Intervals & 21DFX Power Strength Extreme
July 18 – 0.0 miles XT Water Zumba
July 19 – 0.0 Rest
July 20 – 4.5 miles Easy
July 21 – 4.0 miles Warm up and St. Pete Beach Series, Race #2, 5K
July 22 – 0.0 miles Rest
July 23 – 0.0 miles Rest
July 24 – 4.25 miles & Shaun Week: Insane Focus Insanity Basics
July 25 – 0.0 miles XT Water Zumba, Shaun Week: Insane Focus Pure Cardio 2, and a Core class at the Running Store
July 46 – 4.25 miles & Shaun Week: Insane Focus Insane Weights
Total: 87.25/100 miles
I was supposed to start a round of P90X3 this week, but I got a bit distracted with Shaun Week. Shaun T’s Insanity is one of my all-time favorite workout programs, but it’s cardio heavy. Ever since I started running 4 and 5 days a week and averaging 25 miles a week, I’ve been staying clear of the cardio heavy programs. Too much of good thing is too much! However, this program is only 6 30-minute workouts. They’re still intense, but not insane, and after 3 days, I still love Shaun T! Oh, how I wish I had this crazy motivator in my ears and in my head on the last mile of every race!
Anyway, I’ll be starting P90X3 on Monday. My daughter and I enjoyed a Core at the Store class last night at a local running store. We learned some great runner-specific core moves to do to strengthen those muscles that are usually weak in runners. I am happy to say that a lot of those moves show up regularly in P90X3. I’ll only have to add a couple of them to my daily workouts.
I had an early but long lunch with a friend today. By the time I got home it was 94°F, 51% humidity for a Real Feel of 106°F. The climate-controlled treadmill to the rescue!
I was only going to do an easy 3 miles. I have my long run tomorrow. However, I was feeling really good and added a tempo mile at my current 5K pace. It felt good to blow out the cobwebs or, for you motorheads, blow the carbon off the carburetor!
Oh, and for the record, I seriously want to be @MobyCarp when I grow up!!
Upcoming Races:
August 5 – Great Brain Wash 5K Obstacle Run, St. Pete, FL
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