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What the Health?

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  • Posts: 27 Member
    edited August 2017
    Amy8Lyn wrote: »

    Nota bene: Steak/bacon/burger jokes? Are we still doing this? I think there are ways to share your opinions without demeaning or making fun of others beliefs.

    lauracups wrote: »
    Was,too busy grilling New York Strip to give it full attention ;)

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    Or..you can have a sense of humor, life is too short to take oneself so serious [/quote]
  • Posts: 1,193 Member
    I started watching it, made it to about 10-15 minutes before I was annoyed and turned it off. I'm based in Europe, so a lot of the US documentaries on food have that effect on me. I understand that we are raised with a different attitude towards food, but nowadays people can inform themselves on the internet, so watching these films that seem to only show one (quite small) part of what is possible, frustrate me.
  • Posts: 8,736 Member

    Making a decision based on fear created by inaccurate information is the opposite of being empowered.

    That's what I think too. Just used that word since the poster who I was responding to used it.
  • Posts: 5,727 Member

    Don't we all make decisions based on our personal beliefs of what is most ethical in a given situation? Yes, some people use that as a basis to feel superior, but others don't.

    Let's say someone chooses to abstain from sex in certain circumstances or feels an obligation to share a portion of their money with the less fortunate. Those are choices based on ethics, yet many people do these things without it damaging the way they see others.

    I would argue that is is possible to live in a way that is consistent with one's ethics without feeling superior.

    I would tend to agree, however the overall tone of the person I responded to(contrasted with your general tone.. since I recall you're also an ethical vegetarian) grated on me.
  • Posts: 25,763 Member

    I would tend to agree, however the overall tone of the person I responded to(contrasted with your general tone.. since I recall you're also an ethical vegetarian) grated on me.

    Oh, I see. Thanks for clarifying.

  • Posts: 25,763 Member

    That's what I think too. Just used that word since the poster who I was responding to used it.

    Absolutely -- I was agreeing with you. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
  • Posts: 26 Member
    I'm vegan and watched the documentary and found it interesting. One thing for sure is no one should push onto others what to eat for our health belongs to us to each decide. So why watch a documentary about vegan if your not vegan? Just a thought....
  • Posts: 22 Member
    E"vegan"gelicals.......word to the wise. If you want people to listen just give the facts. Not weird science on it. I'm not and won't be vegan. But if that's your choice, you do you and I'll do me. Animals are tasty and good for you...I like them...a lot.
  • Posts: 286 Member
    crazyravr wrote: »

    Yes, but please do note that both of these ways preach to you the importance of nutrient dense foods. Paleo will never tell you not to eat veggies. Hell, I eat more veggies now than I ever did. Like wise for the vegans, eat crap load of veggies but instead of meat get your proteins elsewhere. That simple. Neither does advertise that you should be eating any kind of processed foods. So although they both might be very different ways of eating and ways of life, they are very similar.

    I never said anything about processed foods. I'm not sure why you quoted me.. :/
  • Posts: 30,886 Member
    crazyravr wrote: »

    Just trying to point out that paleo and vegan although very different are pretty much the same in the end. Just like any religion if you break things down, its all the same thing, and they all have they firm followers, who in the end practice the same things. Just in a different way.

    They are not pretty much the same.

    I did paleo for a bit and know a number of people who do it and follow paleo stuff to some extent, and they don't think meat is bad for you and actually tend to eat more meat than the US average, from what I observed.

    A vegan diet, even WFPB, is really hard to maintain without legumes, which paleo puts on the verboten list, and grains are also helpful.

    Both are anti dairy, granted.

    SOME vegans and most paleo followers (although weirdly, not all, fewer than one should expect, really), tend to eat lots of whole foods and of course ensure that lots of those whole foods are vegetables. You know who else does this? A lot of people who aren't vegan or paleo, like me. So that's not a special thing about vegan or paleo diets, especially since not everyone who does those diets does it.

    Another difference: SOME paleo types (not all, not the ones I know best) tend to be anti carb and pro sat fat, and therefore warn against fruit (or more than a little or "low sugar" fruits). To the extent that paleo overlaps with keto, some may even warn against root veg (sugary carrots) or too many vegetables.

    Both can be done in a way that accentuates eating lots of produce, making plants the center of the plate, doing lots of home cooking, so on -- in fact, I think both should, ideally -- but again that does not separate them from many other ways of eating, so it seems weird to claim that they are "very similar."
  • Posts: 49,119 Member
    The majority of documentaries are very biased to whatever their agenda is. I hardly see any that show even evidence or benefits from whatever they are opposing.

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    lemurcat12 wrote: »

    They are not pretty much the same.

    I did paleo for a bit and know a number of people who do it and follow paleo stuff to some extent, and they don't think meat is bad for you and actually tend to eat more meat than the US average, from what I observed.

    A vegan diet, even WFPB, is really hard to maintain without legumes, which paleo puts on the verboten list, and grains are also helpful.

    Both are anti dairy, granted.

    SOME vegans and most paleo followers (although weirdly, not all, fewer than one should expect, really), tend to eat lots of whole foods and of course ensure that lots of those whole foods are vegetables. You know who else does this? A lot of people who aren't vegan or paleo, like me. So that's not a special thing about vegan or paleo diets, especially since not everyone who does those diets does it.

    Another difference: SOME paleo types (not all, not the ones I know best) tend to be anti carb and pro sat fat, and therefore warn against fruit (or more than a little or "low sugar" fruits). To the extent that paleo overlaps with keto, some may even warn against root veg (sugary carrots) or too many vegetables.

    Both can be done in a way that accentuates eating lots of produce, making plants the center of the plate, doing lots of home cooking, so on -- in fact, I think both should, ideally -- but again that does not separate them from many other ways of eating, so it seems weird to claim that they are "very similar."

    and perhaps even weirder that the most extreme vegan diet, fruitarianism, is definitely paleo :smile:
  • Posts: 6,252 Member
    I understand why documentaries utilize fear to promote their agenda, but I think it sends a far more powerful message to minimize the hyperbole and simply let the facts lead you to your own decision.

    Adding absurd comparatives does more harm to your attempt to persuade.

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