Paleo vs Plant based vs low calorie?
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On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.10 -
On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
I think the people you know are just trying to be skinny...not fit. The fitness ladies in my life, including my wife eat and train...they lift, they run, they cycle, etc...they eat and train. These ladies have muscles...to have muscles, you have to feed them...1200-1500 calories per day isn't feeding *kitten* beyond baseline energy requirements...2 -
Er, I don't have a hidden ED, unless you count being unable to resist the chocolate- you can see my food logs, if you want. Nor do I have a mysteriously high metabolism- it's pretty close to what a more detailed calculator offsite suggested for me.5
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On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
Wow. I eat 2200 calories to maintain and 1700-1800 when I want to lose. Did you just accuse everyone who can eat more than 1000 calories of having a hidden eating disorder or flatout lying to you right now?8 -
I'm sedantary because of health reasons and can only walk as exercise but spend a lot of time in bed and I'm maintaining (and actually losing a bit) a bmi 18.7 (I lost 10 lbs post surgery and haven't gained it back) at around 1500-1600 (I don't track but I'm definitely not restricting)0
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On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
This entire thread has been women telling you they are your size or smaller and eat far more calories than you say you eat. And your take away is perhaps we are all the ones logging incorrectly??? There is nothing unusual about an average sized adult woman eating more than 1400 calories.
When I didn't keep a food log and use a food scale, I thought i was eating very low calories. I think most women who don't count calories would guess that they eat in the 1200-1500 calorie range. Because we as humans are verifiably awful at guessing portion sizes and calorie amounts.
In all seriousness, you are supposedly eating an unnaturally small amount of food that if true would probably be leading to nutritional deficiencies. It would make you a medical anomaly. You should find a doctor who will study you and write a book.11 -
Keep your cool. You're an MFP veteran, and this kind of attitude is pretty common.diannethegeek wrote: »On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
Wow. I eat 2200 calories to maintain and 1700-1800 when I want to lose. Did you just accuse everyone who can eat more than 1000 calories of having a hidden eating disorder or flatout lying to you right now?
TBH, I think this is one of those gender differences in dieting- women are more likely to have been brought up to see eating like a bird in public as necessary and to worry about being thought of as 'greedy'.
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I remember when almost everyone I know followed Weight Watchers a few years ago because they could eat what they wanted as long as it fell within their points allowance. That to me doesn't make sense. Not only are you going to end up hungry (because generally people will choose the unhealthy option however small the portion) but also because it's not good for your health.
I don't like any kind of extreme belief system, and that's why I was curious what others thought of Plant based, but some of it does make sense like cutting down on meat and eating more fruit and veg. The same goes for Paleo etc.
Personally I do care about my health and want to do the best so I'm healthier in later life but weight loss is my current goal so I want to find a way of eating that incorporates both.
Speaking for myself, there are plenty of options and in the context of a balanced diet, I can fit in some indulgences. In other words, my diet includes Greek yogurt, fruits and veggies, split pea dahl, sweet potatoes, chickpeas with lentils, and edamame. It also includes bread, pasta, white rice, potatoes, Gardein, veggie dogs, and other options that tend to get demonized more frequently by various diet gurus. And then there's upside-down peach cake, meringues, an occasional homemade chocolate truffle, and potato kugel.
Do I choose healthy options? Mostly. Do I eat what I want within my calories? Heck, yeah. And a lot of that is nutrient-dense and satiating. And what isn't? Still fits. Nothing wrong with a few indulgences. I care about my health. And I care about safe, sustainable weight-loss. And that means sometimes choosing something more calorie dense in a controlled amount, without feeling like I'm cheating, without feeling guilty, and without stressing. I keep my home-baked desserts to 200 calories/serving or less, but I'm not sure anyone would call my 30-calorie meringues "healthy". Low-cal, sure. But that's not necessarily the same thing.
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singingflutelady wrote: »I'm sedantary because of health reasons and can only walk as exercise but spend a lot of time in bed and I'm maintaining (and actually losing a bit) a bmi 18.7 (I lost 10 lbs post surgery and haven't gained it back) at around 1500-1600 (I don't track but I'm definitely not restricting)
I maintain between 1,600-1,700 and don't do any intentional exercise at all. Current bmi is right around a 20, 38 years old, (will be 39 next month), stay at home mom who's very fond of sitting on my bum as much as possible playing on MFP or reading
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On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
It's seriously odd that people are trying to help you by sharing our personal experiences and you accuse us of either lying about having an ED or lying about skipping meals.7 -
OliveGirl128 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »I'm sedantary because of health reasons and can only walk as exercise but spend a lot of time in bed and I'm maintaining (and actually losing a bit) a bmi 18.7 (I lost 10 lbs post surgery and haven't gained it back) at around 1500-1600 (I don't track but I'm definitely not restricting)
I maintain between 1,600-1,700 and don't do any intentional exercise at all. Current bmi is right around a 20, 38 years old, (will be 39 next month), stay at home mom who's very fond of sitting on my bum as much as possible playing on MFP or reading
Oh I should have added I am 411 -
HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Keep your cool. You're an MFP veteran, and this kind of attitude is pretty common.diannethegeek wrote: »On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
Wow. I eat 2200 calories to maintain and 1700-1800 when I want to lose. Did you just accuse everyone who can eat more than 1000 calories of having a hidden eating disorder or flatout lying to you right now?
TBH, I think this is one of those gender differences in dieting- women are more likely to have been brought up to see eating like a bird in public as necessary and to worry about being thought of as 'greedy'.
I may have less chill than usual given my sleep cycle atm, but I do still get to have whatever feelings I'm having and express them within the bounds of the community guidelines, right? Unless I missed you being appointed the arbiter of how much cool we can or cannot express on these forums during my latest hiatus. Sitting back and letting someone accuse a whole bunch of great people in this thread of hiding an eating disorder just to mislead someone isn't going to sit well with me. But sure, go after me and not anyone else in this thread for whatever reason. That's cool.12 -
singingflutelady wrote: »OliveGirl128 wrote: »singingflutelady wrote: »I'm sedantary because of health reasons and can only walk as exercise but spend a lot of time in bed and I'm maintaining (and actually losing a bit) a bmi 18.7 (I lost 10 lbs post surgery and haven't gained it back) at around 1500-1600 (I don't track but I'm definitely not restricting)
I maintain between 1,600-1,700 and don't do any intentional exercise at all. Current bmi is right around a 20, 38 years old, (will be 39 next month), stay at home mom who's very fond of sitting on my bum as much as possible playing on MFP or reading
Oh I should have added I am 41
That puts us very much in-line with each other, factoring in the slight age difference. We both must be special freaks of nature
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45 here!2
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57 here. And I maintain at 1800 calories.3
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diannethegeek wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Keep your cool. You're an MFP veteran, and this kind of attitude is pretty common.diannethegeek wrote: »On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
Wow. I eat 2200 calories to maintain and 1700-1800 when I want to lose. Did you just accuse everyone who can eat more than 1000 calories of having a hidden eating disorder or flatout lying to you right now?
TBH, I think this is one of those gender differences in dieting- women are more likely to have been brought up to see eating like a bird in public as necessary and to worry about being thought of as 'greedy'.
I may have less chill than usual given my sleep cycle atm, but I do still get to have whatever feelings I'm having and express them within the bounds of the community guidelines, right? Unless I missed you being appointed the arbiter of how much cool we can or cannot express on these forums during my latest hiatus. Sitting back and letting someone accuse a whole bunch of great people in this thread of hiding an eating disorder just to mislead someone isn't going to sit well with me. But sure, go after me and not anyone else in this thread for whatever reason. That's cool.
Not going after you, and I am very sorry it clearly came across otherwise.diannethegeek wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Keep your cool. You're an MFP veteran, and this kind of attitude is pretty common.diannethegeek wrote: »On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
Wow. I eat 2200 calories to maintain and 1700-1800 when I want to lose. Did you just accuse everyone who can eat more than 1000 calories of having a hidden eating disorder or flatout lying to you right now?
TBH, I think this is one of those gender differences in dieting- women are more likely to have been brought up to see eating like a bird in public as necessary and to worry about being thought of as 'greedy'.
I may have less chill than usual given my sleep cycle atm, but I do still get to have whatever feelings I'm having and express them within the bounds of the community guidelines, right? Unless I missed you being appointed the arbiter of how much cool we can or cannot express on these forums during my latest hiatus. Sitting back and letting someone accuse a whole bunch of great people in this thread of hiding an eating disorder just to mislead someone isn't going to sit well with me. But sure, go after me and not anyone else in this thread for whatever reason. That's cool.
It was more intended as a supportive post towards you, as I thought you were a bit annoyed by her post. Could see why you'd be annoyed, so I was being touchy-feelingly friendly.
I apologise for making you feel tone-policed.
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I'm in my mid-50's and I maintain on about 2000 calories a day, which is the average usually used for women to maintain their weight (at 5'6" I'm average height).2
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Someone claiming to eat less than 1200 calories per day?
Who is also getting upset and tetchy because people are trying to help her but not telling her what she wants to hear?
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F it. Not worth it.5
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So... OP.
You have a bunch of women telling you that their nutritional data accords with what *da-dum* Science *tish* says should happen. I dont think it's reasonable to think we're all mistaken.
You, presumably, would like to eat more. If you trust your logging and your results, then you should see a doctor again and up your exercise. I'm not saying the latter will be easy, but sometimes the easy option doesn't exist.
Set an alarm, and go for a short walk every hour. Start skipping indoors where it's cool, after work, to ridiculous dance music. Sit on a stability ball to watch TV. Do leg exercises under the desk. Dance and bounce around like a March hare as you prepare food. In a word, fidget.1 -
On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
I've stayed quiet reading this whole thing but this brought me out of lurking.
I'm shorter than you, I'm older than you (by more than a decade), I weigh less than you, and I lose eating 1800 calories.
Why? Because I love running and work hard every day to get better at it. Why? Because I have psoriatic arthritis and get up every hour and walk around for 10-15 minutes so my joints don't stiffen up. I burn a lot of calories every day. I strength train a few times a week to support my running habit.
I eat to fuel my running habit.
I do not have an eating disorder, hidden or otherwise. I also don't "skip meals when not in company". I skip breakfast as part of my intermittent fasting pattern of eating, but I still eat my full calorie allotment every day.
This comment has to be one of the saltier things I've ever read on these forums.9 -
I'm curious how tall you are? Is it possible that you are already within a healthy weight range? It's harder to lose when there's not much to lose, and it sounds like your thyroid probably does contribute, even if you're not technically hypothyroid.0
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texteach66 wrote: »I'm curious how tall you are? Is it possible that you are already within a healthy weight range? It's harder to lose when there's not much to lose, and it sounds like your thyroid probably does contribute, even if you're not technically hypothyroid.
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »
Keep your cool. You're an MFP veteran, and this kind of attitude is pretty common.diannethegeek wrote: »On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
Wow. I eat 2200 calories to maintain and 1700-1800 when I want to lose. Did you just accuse everyone who can eat more than 1000 calories of having a hidden eating disorder or flatout lying to you right now?
TBH, I think this is one of those gender differences in dieting- women are more likely to have been brought up to see eating like a bird in public as necessary and to worry about being thought of as 'greedy'.
This is not this OP's first rodeo with posting here. I remember her from before when I posted under my old user name. Same song and dance, she can't lose weight despite her low calories and work outs, and talking to her she says she does everything right and she won't share anything meaningful.
I didn't enter this thread because I've had discussions with her in the past and knew they were all pointless.
The comment about the rest of us not logging meals and having eating disorders caused me to post.
Even outliers only deviate from the norm by so much, but she would truly defy even those parameters going by what she says, yet we're the ones who have to be wrong in what we're saying.
This conversation ended pretty much the way I thought it would.7 -
Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink wrote: »57 here. And I maintain at 1800 calories.
55 later this month. At my current activity level, I'd maintain at around 2200.4 -
Well I just wanted to say that seeing all these posts from women in their 40s and 50s who are eating over 2000 per day is inspirational! My maintenance hovers around 1700 but i know I'm a lazy *kitten*. I can do more and I could eat a little better, and based on all these posts I can move that number up! Before I found mfp, I totally believed that you had to eat nothing but salads and take supplements after 35 lol. :flowerforyou:4
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Someone claiming to eat less than 1200 calories per day?
Who is also getting upset and tetchy because people are trying to help her but not telling her what she wants to hear?
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Threads with argumentative, non-receptive OPs are my favorite entertainment threads. Where'd she go??
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When I said 'little' I meant small framed, not a 'Little Person' (as being British have never heard that term so didn't meant to offend anyone). When I'm lean, or at least when I was the leanest I've ever been which is about 25% body fat I was a UK size 6-8 (which I believe is a US 4-6). To most people that is 'little' and was just given as an example of how small framed I am. At my current weight I'm a 10-12 (US 8-10) and that's carrying 10-15% more body fat than I should be ie. a disproportionate amount of fat. My waist is still 28 inches which is not large at all, but that gives you an idea of my shape/build.
I already do weight training and have done on and off for the last 15 years, usually 3 times a week (when I say on and off I mean depending on how good my back is as it plays up from time to time). I also do low intensity cardio most days (either walking at a reasonable pace or on the Xtrainer or Treadmill).
I have no knowledge of having PCOS though I did have a cyst removed about 3 years ago. In terms of metabolic issues I'm unsure as I don't have anything which has been diagosed. I've been on the pill for many years and I stopped that for a year to see if it would help with my weight loss but it didn't.
I really don't know why I have so many issues losing weight and can't maintain my weight by eating a normal diet (or what most people tell me I 'should' be eating for my size/activity level). I find it extremely frustrating and upsetting but as I mentioned earlier in this post my own theory is that I have borderline thyroid issues which I can't get medication to treat as they are only borderline, my body also seems to hold onto fat very easily and gains fat easily and added to that there's my age. My mother has the exact same issues as I do with weight, she's taller than me and much lighter but that's mostly through severely restricting her food intake ie. tiny portion sizes on the whole and very low cal snacks. She is also quite active.
Perhaps if I had more muscle/less fat my body would become more efficient and I hope that happens but until then I need to find a way to get the fat off.
What frustrates me the most is that I hardly ever drink and if I do I'll have 1-3 drinks at the most, every 3-4 weeks. I also rarely eat desserts (perhaps once every fortnight but I'm very conscious of the size and how many calories I'm eating in that dessert), I exercise daily unlike many others and I still struggle so much. As I said before, my home based desk job probably doesn't help either, but other than what I'm doing already I can't see what else I can do.
I also wish people would believe me when I tell them I eat 800-1000 calories most days and weigh and measure everything! There are days when I don't count (such as at the weekend) but my diet is really not vastly different to during the week. Most weekends I'll skip breakfast as I get up late, have a reasonably large lunch and often just a snack for dinner. At most I'm eating 1300-1500 calories, but even factoring that in as a maximum and working on 1000 maximum for the other days (which is more than the reality) that's still only around 1150 calories per day on average.
I stick to what I said before ie. we are not all made the same. I also believe that there are a lot of people who eat in ways that would not be considered 'normal' or 'healthy' but they are not underweight or ill! The more people I speak to about this the more I hear stories of supposedly naturally thin people eating vlcd or skipping whole days of food in order to maintain a lean body weight etc. I honestly don't believe that everyone who is overweight is that way due to overeating. Some of us just need to eat less to be lean but because of all the information we're given and what we're told about minimum calorie numbers etc. often people are too scared to reduce calories and live with being larger. I'm not prepared to live like that so I have no choice but to eat less, like it or not.
I have a lot of active friends (of around my height ie. between 5 foot 2 and 4), who have active jobs where they're on their feet all day and who also exercise on top of that by running or cycling most days, but some also do weight training or go to gym classes too. Those people are mostly very lean, most of them eat extremely healthily, only eat small portions and drink alcohol infrequently, they skip meals if they don't exercise to compensate for burning less calories and they are all around the weight I want to get back to ie. about 120-125lbs. I have yet to meet a very active female who eats more than 1200-1500 calories a day.
I'm 4'11" and 120lbs and I net approximately 1400 calories a day and consume between 1600 and 2000 calories on most days.6
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