Paleo vs Plant based vs low calorie?
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
Wow. I eat 2200 calories to maintain and 1700-1800 when I want to lose. Did you just accuse everyone who can eat more than 1000 calories of having a hidden eating disorder or flatout lying to you right now?
TBH, I think this is one of those gender differences in dieting- women are more likely to have been brought up to see eating like a bird in public as necessary and to worry about being thought of as 'greedy'.
The OP has been here since 2013 so not exactly a newbie.2 -
MommaGem2017 wrote: »Someone claiming to eat less than 1200 calories per day?
Who is also getting upset and tetchy because people are trying to help her but not telling her what she wants to hear?
Thread closing in 3...2...1...?
Threads with argumentative, non-receptive OPs are my favorite entertainment threads. Where'd she go??
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HeliumIsNoble wrote: »All in all, I think your perception of 'very active' is off. Could this be contributing to your slower-than-desired progress?
Consider also, that you're not spending a whole week, as in 24/7, in company with several very active women who aren't dieting, to see what very active women at healthy weights eat over the course of an average week.
This is what I was going to say. We must have differing definitions of "active". Particularly saying that she knows very active women who show no real muscle, but are thin. They aren't interested in fitness and health (and certainly not strength); they're interested in being skinny.2 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »I'm thinking maybe you are underestimating what "very active" is...
The women I know who eat like birdies aren't really trying to be fit...they're trying to be skinny.
Didn't mean to piggyback there... Just saw that you posted pretty much the same thing I did.0 -
Firstly, to answer all those who like to 'read between the lines' and not what was actually said, I was not referring to anyone on here, I admire all of you who are able to be fit and eat pretty much what they want, that's great. I am talking about those people who appear slim and who seem to be able to eat unhealthily in any quantity when the reality is we really don't have any idea what they do the rest of the time, whether they are actually able to do so, how many meals they eat, their level of exercise etc.
As for not listening to anyone's advice, that's not at all true either, I just don't like the attitude of some in this community who insist you're logging incorrectly and say you can't possible have to eat that little etc. It's not always as simple as a maths equation.
There have been lots of useful comments, many of which I'll take on board like cutting down on meat and eating more fruit and veg. I'll also make a conscious effort to try and fit in a few more steps here and there by getting up earlier etc.
I wish I was in a position to get more testing done at a University or elsewhere, I'll look into possibly going back to uk to do it possibly. It has been a problem for me for a long time now and as someone who has counted calories on and off for several years it's definitely becoming more and more difficult.
Unfortunately there are always those who like to think they're right, most of the comments have been really helpful however and it's been really interesting hearing about your individual journeys.
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2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
This is so incredibly relative to the individual, however. My maintenance is north of 3000kcal, but I'm a big guy. I like to stay around 215-225, and I'm active. Even if I'm sitting around gathering dust, my daily energy needs and eating might seem like "eating loads", when it's really just me eating what I'm supposed to to maintain.1 -
This pretty much sums up this whole debate
https://youtu.be/5Ua-WVg1SsA6 -
OP you also mentioned about metabolism. it all has to do with your height,weight,age,activity level.lean mass % and so on.someone with say your same stats who maybe more active will burn more calories so they can eat more.if someone is younger than you but is your height and weight and active like you may lose weight faster. everyone is different and everyones BMR(what your body burns to function without exercise IE-in a coma) is different also.
I was thin all my life until I stopped being as active and started eating more calories and stopped one of my meds that boosted my metabolism a bit.after that the weight started piling on. The point is never compare yourself to others including with weight loss. and if you have eaten any period of times very low calories then its possible you have adaptive thermogenesis .and if you try to eat more of course you will gain but its usually only for a short time. you may need to take a diet break if you have been eating low calories for more than 6 months without a break,. it can help with your hormones too. most recommend having a diet break 2 weeks out of every few months.
you can try taking a break and then get back to it or have tests run. its your call. But anytime you up; calories,you will gain but it doesnt mean fat gain.you can also try being a bit more active when you can. there are several things you can do and try if you cant afford tests being done.0 -
giefspamnao wrote: »This pretty much sums up this whole debate
https://youtu.be/5Ua-WVg1SsA
This is great.1 -
GottaBurnEmAll wrote: »HeliumIsNoble wrote: »diannethegeek wrote: »On the first point, most of what I eat is natural food made from scratch, very few packaged foods (maybe one item, once a week). I also weigh the scoop size it recommends on the protein powder box so I know what is an accurate portion. Any other ingredients I add (like skimmed milk, half a small banana etc) get weighed/measured.
2nd point - great to hear there are people out there who can eat loads or eat high cal food and still look great. Not convinced there isn't something else going on there ie. a hidden eating disorder or skipped meals when not in company etc. Nobody can be sure.
3rd point, as I said before, there are bound to be people with a fast metabolism for whatever reason and carrying very little fat/a high % of muscle who can eat a lot and maintain.
I had an under desk cycle, was pretty poor! Once it starts to cool down again in September I'll start upping my walking again and by that point I should be able to lift heavier weights so I'm hoping that will speed things up.
Wow. I eat 2200 calories to maintain and 1700-1800 when I want to lose. Did you just accuse everyone who can eat more than 1000 calories of having a hidden eating disorder or flatout lying to you right now?
TBH, I think this is one of those gender differences in dieting- women are more likely to have been brought up to see eating like a bird in public as necessary and to worry about being thought of as 'greedy'.
This is not this OP's first rodeo with posting here. I remember her from before when I posted under my old user name. Same song and dance, she can't lose weight despite her low calories and work outs, and talking to her she says she does everything right and she won't share anything meaningful.
I didn't enter this thread because I've had discussions with her in the past and knew they were all pointless.
The comment about the rest of us not logging meals and having eating disorders caused me to post.
Even outliers only deviate from the norm by so much, but she would truly defy even those parameters going by what she says, yet we're the ones who have to be wrong in what we're saying.
This conversation ended pretty much the way I thought it would.
LOL. That's almost exactly what I said - but I figured it wasn't worth it. Maybe I should have just left it up. 1-2 times per year, pretty much this same thread (details may be slightly different, but overall the same) is made by OP. Argues with everyone and never takes advice given.7 -
My grandma died at the age of 95 with no significant illnesses. She ate everything from meat to processed , salty, junk, everything! She was always a thin lady, mostly because she was very active even at her age she walked everywhere. And also she ate very small portions . Which all comes back down to CICO. Doesn't matter what the heck you eat! All plant based diet lacks in certain foods and nutrients, keto lacks, paleo lacks, Why can't we just eat what we want but just control how much we eat?3
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My grandma died at the age of 95 with no significant illnesses. She ate everything from meat to processed , salty, junk, everything! She was always a thin lady, mostly because she was very active even at her age she walked everywhere. And also she ate very small portions . Which all comes back down to CICO. Doesn't matter what the heck you eat! All plant based diet lacks in certain foods and nutrients, keto lacks, paleo lacks, Why can't we just eat what we want but just control how much we eat?
Because the multi-billion dollar diet industry spends gobs of cash to convince people otherwise?
Let's be honest. CICO is pretty damn boring. Where's the dazzle, the pizazz, the ability to mesmerize your family, friends and co-workers with how cool you are to be in at the ground level of the latest, greatest diet craze/drug/supplement?
Most people want instant answers, instant results, instant successes. They want the secret handshakes and decoder rings making them feel all insider-y, special and superior.
Kinda hard for good ol' tried-and-true scientific CICO to compete with that.5 -
giefspamnao wrote: »This pretty much sums up this whole debate
https://youtu.be/5Ua-WVg1SsA
So awesome.1 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »My grandma died at the age of 95 with no significant illnesses. She ate everything from meat to processed , salty, junk, everything! She was always a thin lady, mostly because she was very active even at her age she walked everywhere. And also she ate very small portions . Which all comes back down to CICO. Doesn't matter what the heck you eat! All plant based diet lacks in certain foods and nutrients, keto lacks, paleo lacks, Why can't we just eat what we want but just control how much we eat?
Because the multi-billion dollar diet industry spends gobs of cash to convince people otherwise?
Let's be honest. CICO is pretty damn boring. Where's the dazzle, the pizazz, the ability to mesmerize your family, friends and co-workers with how cool you are to be in at the ground level of the latest, greatest diet craze/drug/supplement?
Most people want instant answers, instant results, instant successes. They want the secret handshakes and decoder rings making them feel all insider-y, special and superior.
Kinda hard for good ol' tried-and-true scientific CICO to compete with that.
LOL I hope my video posts.
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