For those confused or questioning "Eating your exercise calo
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re: atkins. i think modified atkins is okay. i mean, eating steaks and chesse all day is bad! duh! not all carbs are created alike.
yes, you do carry around a lot of water.
i personally prefer eating higher protein lower carb diets but by carbs i mean:
- less potatoes, pastas, bread, refined sugars
where as veggies, fruits are okay.
for example, i ate 47g of carbs today with my watermelon for breakfast. yum yum and that consisted of some serious water! i must have peed four times before i even read the morning paper! tee hee!
this is why i'm getting frustrated with low calories here. grr. i'm hunnnngrrry but things that would fill me up also make me feel like crap (ie, potatoes, a cup of pasta)
i'm tempted to start the SB diet because it's modified low carb and much better for you (from what i can tell).0 -
re: atkins. i think modified atkins is okay. i mean, eating steaks and chesse all day is bad! duh! not all carbs are created alike.
yes, you do carry around a lot of water.
i personally prefer eating higher protein lower carb diets but by carbs i mean:
- less potatoes, pastas, bread, refined sugars
where as veggies, fruits are okay.
for example, i ate 47g of carbs today with my watermelon for breakfast. yum yum and that consisted of some serious water! i must have peed four times before i even read the morning paper! tee hee!
this is why i'm getting frustrated with low calories here. grr. i'm hunnnngrrry but things that would fill me up also make me feel like crap (ie, potatoes, a cup of pasta)
i'm tempted to start the SB diet because it's modified low carb and much better for you (from what i can tell).
I can wholeheartedly recommend South Beach, it's a very healthy diet which is based around whole grains, lean protein, low fat dairy, good fats, fruit and lots of vegetables. I do advise you read the book, but don't rely on it completely as the menus are limited and it doesn't really tell you how to adapt them for your own tastes. Look at southbeach-diet-plan.com and southbeachfriends.net and check out the forums, there is loads of good advice on there. Bear in mind that you will probably have to 'tweak' it a little to stay within your calorie limit (I eat less beans, fat, dairy and whole grains than it recommends) and unless you are addicted to carbs, don't bother with Phase 1 because you only have 10 pounds to lose.
Now I have another question! I've gone over my calorie limit every day since I joined this site (and was undoubtedly doing it before because I've actually cut back since then, not sure how I was losing weight!), and by careful planning and some exercise, I think I will be within my limit for today. In fact, it looks like I'll be 300 calories under.
So should I eat those calories or not? I know you're not supposed to fall below your limit, but I've also heard some people say you should give your body a bit of a boost by having more calories some days and less on others. And bearing in mind I've gone over the last few days, what should I do? I'm on a 1200 limit but have gained 200 extra today due to exercise, and I'll have eaten about 1100 calories by the end of the day.0 -
How about this:
If you're hungry, eat something that's healthy
and low on the GI index so that your body can digest it properly.
I have epilepsy, and while ketogenic diets are Rx'd for children, some studies are showing promise for adults
and the Mayo Clinic just released a study on a modified Atkins (read: much simpler to follow) for children with epilepsy.
I WebMD and will have to check it out. My ex fiance (ahh why did I break up with him? tee hee) is a PharmD and I wish I could bug him for med journals again! Oh well.
There's something about the ketonic state (sp) that decreases neuro activity in the brain (in a good way for some of us) and I suppose a side effect for me would be some fat-burning pluses he he he.
Plus I'd feel better all around, I'm sure.
I think I'm going to wait. I did some reading and just by looks, it's a lower-calorie diet - duh. But I think what I'll do is wait for this study to be published and try to follow a lower GI diet and used SB products in the store as a guide he he he cause when you DO want/need to buy boxed foods they can help (ie, pizza, snack bars or weight watchers brownies nomnom).0 -
Well I ate a bit more and even though I have 125 calories left, the site has stopped saying 'you're not eating enough' so I might leave it there for today because I've just eaten and am unlikely to be hungry again before bed. I put on a pound this week too, despite doing more exercise in a week than I usually do in a month
So I'm feeling a bit fed up about that.
I think I have the hang of things now, and rather than follow a set plan, I think I'll just try watching the calories for a while. I know I'll naturally choose healthy food anyway, as it tends to be lower in calories and I like it, so it's not like I'll suddenly start using my calories for junk food.0 -
Well I ate a bit more and even though I have 125 calories left, the site has stopped saying 'you're not eating enough' so I might leave it there for today because I've just eaten and am unlikely to be hungry again before bed. I put on a pound this week too, despite doing more exercise in a week than I usually do in a month So I'm feeling a bit fed up about that.
I think I have the hang of things now, and rather than follow a set plan, I think I'll just try watching the calories for a while. I know I'll naturally choose healthy food anyway, as it tends to be lower in calories and I like it, so it's not like I'll suddenly start using my calories for junk food.
Any time you eat less than 1200 calories, MFP will give you that warning...1200 is just a (very, very, very loose) guideline that assumes that pretty much any female can eat 1200 calories a day regardless of activity level and get all the micro and macronutrients she needs. :grumble: It's pretty much bunk. In any case, it's a great idea to find out just how many micronutrients you're taking in at 1100 calories. Is that enough to supply all of your energy needs? To get 100% RDA of all micronutrients? To maintain your activity level? Probably not, considering that you're an active, growing woman, which is why MFP gives you that message.
Your scale weight will fluctuate wildly based on how much water an glycogen (stored blood sugar) you're holding, how much you've eaten, how much waste you have in your bowel, etc. When you exercise, you increase your glycogen and water storage capacity, so it's not uncommon to gain a little bit of weight. Just remember to take measurements in inches, and pay closer attention to those. Weight tells you almost nothing about your body composition, whereas girth measurements give you a much better idea of what's changing.0 -
Well I ate a bit more and even though I have 125 calories left, the site has stopped saying 'you're not eating enough' so I might leave it there for today because I've just eaten and am unlikely to be hungry again before bed. I put on a pound this week too, despite doing more exercise in a week than I usually do in a month So I'm feeling a bit fed up about that.
I think I have the hang of things now, and rather than follow a set plan, I think I'll just try watching the calories for a while. I know I'll naturally choose healthy food anyway, as it tends to be lower in calories and I like it, so it's not like I'll suddenly start using my calories for junk food.
Any time you eat less than 1200 calories, MFP will give you that warning...1200 is just a (very, very, very loose) guideline that assumes that pretty much any female can eat 1200 calories a day regardless of activity level and get all the micro and macronutrients she needs. :grumble: It's pretty much bunk. In any case, it's a great idea to find out just how many micronutrients you're taking in at 1100 calories. Is that enough to supply all of your energy needs? To get 100% RDA of all micronutrients? To maintain your activity level? Probably not, considering that you're an active, growing woman, which is why MFP gives you that message.
Your scale weight will fluctuate wildly based on how much water an glycogen (stored blood sugar) you're holding, how much you've eaten, how much waste you have in your bowel, etc. When you exercise, you increase your glycogen and water storage capacity, so it's not uncommon to gain a little bit of weight. Just remember to take measurements in inches, and pay closer attention to those. Weight tells you almost nothing about your body composition, whereas girth measurements give you a much better idea of what's changing.
Oh I see, thank you! I'll check my nutrition report for today and see what it says, though I feel I've eaten a balanced diet. And thanks for the advice about the exercise, I actually just posted a question about this on the exercise forum, I was wondering if it might be water weight.0 -
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i just think its very sad that the media doesnt report things such as this post, instead they hype up all the "fad diets" , and weight loss pills which are helping keep people unhealthy and over weight. being a "health Professional" its really refreshing to read what people write on MFP! There is a lot of good information on here, and a lot of people who are finally finding the right way to be healthy and take care of thier bodies! Great job everyone!!! i encourage you all to forward this site, and tell as many people as you can about it!! I know I do!0
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Bump! thanks for this information. I just joined this website. The past days I have not been eating my work out calories, thinking that will help me lose weight, since I am working out more than I am eating.
So, the article was very helpful!
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Bump! thanks for this information. I just joined this website. The past days I have not been eating my work out calories, thinking that will help me lose weight, since I am working out more than I am eating.
So, the article was very helpful!
Thank you!
This makes me smile. :happy:
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Still waiting for scientific data.0
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Still waiting for scientific data.
Really not sure what data you were looking for since you didn't ask a
specific question but here are some resources that I used. Some I used for the post,
others I just find relevant.
-N Engl J Med 2003; Volume 348:2057-2058, May 22, 2003
"Diet, Obesity, and Cardiovascular Risk"
Robert O. Bonow, M.D., and Robert H. Eckel, M.D.
- mayo clinic articles
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/metabolism/WT00006
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/obesity/DS00314
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fast-weight-loss/AN01621
Other articles and resources on line
http://win.niddk.nih.gov/publications/physical.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1615889?dopt=Abstract
http://www.uticaod.com/archive/x1126214457
I'm not sure what scientific data you were looking for, but there was plenty in those articles, including numerous references to both university and medical organization studies.0 -
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Thank you Banks, I really appreciate you doing all this research for our benefit, and I'm sure most of the other members of this site feel the same :happy:0
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This is how to keep track of this page.
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Still waiting for scientific data.
Really not sure what data you were looking for since you didn't ask a
specific question but here are some resources that I used. Some I used for the post,
others I just find relevant.
-N Engl J Med 2003; Volume 348:2057-2058, May 22, 2003
"Diet, Obesity, and Cardiovascular Risk"
Robert O. Bonow, M.D., and Robert H. Eckel, M.D.
- mayo clinic articles
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/metabolism/WT00006
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/obesity/DS00314
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fast-weight-loss/AN01621
Other articles and resources on line
http://win.niddk.nih.gov/publications/physical.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1615889?dopt=Abstract
http://www.uticaod.com/archive/x1126214457
I'm not sure what scientific data you were looking for, but there was plenty in those articles, including numerous references to both university and medical organization studies.
And mine just came from my ex phys text:
Katch, V., Katch, F., & Mc Ardle, W. (2006). Essentials of exercise physiology. 3rd ed. Baltimore.
Anything else comes from:
Bachle, T., & Earle, R. (2000). National Strength and Conditioning Association: Essentials of Strength Training and Conditioning. 2nd ed. Champaign, IL.
Whaley, M., Brubaker, P., & Otto, R (Ed.). (2006). ACSM's Guidelines for Exercise Testing and Prescription. 7th ed. Baltimore.
(APA format, I hate you, and I never do you right :grumble:).
And the University of South Australia's wonderful Metabolism Modules on Fat, Protein, and Carbohydrate, which can be found at www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au.0 -
Still waiting for scientific data.
Really not sure what data you were looking for since you didn't ask a
specific question but here are some resources that I used. Some I used for the post,
others I just find relevant.
-N Engl J Med 2003; Volume 348:2057-2058, May 22, 2003
"Diet, Obesity, and Cardiovascular Risk"
Robert O. Bonow, M.D., and Robert H. Eckel, M.D.
- mayo clinic articles
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/metabolism/WT00006
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/obesity/DS00314
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/fast-weight-loss/AN01621
Other articles and resources on line
http://win.niddk.nih.gov/publications/physical.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1615889?dopt=Abstract
http://www.uticaod.com/archive/x1126214457
I'm not sure what scientific data you were looking for, but there was plenty in those articles, including numerous references to both university and medical organization studies.
I've said this on numerous occasions, Banks -- When someone can prove that eating your exercise calories makes you lose weight better than those who don't, not only will I do it, but I'll say you were right!
'Tis all!0 -
Banks, you can't just give a link to the Mayo Clinic's website that explains metabolism (sort of) and say it's citing your cause.
*sigh*
"Weight gain is more likely due to an energy imbalance — consuming more calories than your body burns. To lose weight, then, you need to create an energy deficit by eating fewer calories, increasing the number of calories you burn through physical activity, or preferably both."
...that doesn't prove your claim!0 -
I've said this on numerous occasions, Banks -- When someone can prove that eating your exercise calories makes you lose weight better than those who don't, not only will I do it, but I'll say you were right!
'Tis all!
Taking out all the scientific mumbo jumbo...
I think its pretty simple. If you are suppose to eat 1500 calories a day, and you exercise hard for 2 hours a day for 1000 calories, and you only eat the 1350 (for the 10%) loss... You can see that what is coming out isnt whats going in. Your body is going to panick cause it doesnt have enough energy to fuel everything.
Your either going to start storing fat.
Make your body NOT want to build muscle.
Or, your going to feel lathergic the next day and not be able to anything in the exercise department.0 -
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I've said this on numerous occasions, Banks -- When someone can prove that eating your exercise calories makes you lose weight better than those who don't, not only will I do it, but I'll say you were right!
'Tis all!
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Seems to me the "proof" is on this site.......people who have lost weight with this method and are supporting and sharing their information with others.0 -
This is the way I think of it, it doesnt really need any data... its just common sense. When you enter your data into MFP, it generates a specific caloric intake that will allow you to lose your goal amount per week. This number is calculated based on regular daily activity and does not include any excercising. When you excercise, you burn extra calories. If you choose not to eat those calories your deficit will be larger than the deficit MFP provided you with. In many cases, especially for those of us that work out often, this deficit becomes TOO large, and puts our bodies at risk of being UNDERfed. I'm not saying everyone HAS to eat their excercise calories, Banks has just generously provided this information explaining why it is recommended. If anyone chooses not to do this that is their own choice.0
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Not sure about the whole scientific thing...But I eat my exercise calories and I'm still losing.
Just workin on the toning now :happy:
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Banks, you can't just give a link to the Mayo Clinic's website that explains metabolism (sort of) and say it's citing your cause.
*sigh*
"Weight gain is more likely due to an energy imbalance — consuming more calories than your body burns. To lose weight, then, you need to create an energy deficit by eating fewer calories, increasing the number of calories you burn through physical activity, or preferably both."
...that doesn't prove your claim!
First, I most certainly CAN state that as I'm not trying to prove the theory of metabolism to you, as it is already a proven fact, if you want to learn about the metabolism, go find an Anatomy and Physiology book but don't try to FLAME on me! Second, It's obvious to me you didn't read my initial post, because your second paragraph basically says the same thing as it. I just go into more depth then that to try to explain WHY it happens.
I find it amusing that you call what I wrote a "claim"; I didn't claim anything in that post. I just summarized generally accepted theories. You want to fight the establishment about how the metabolism works, go right ahead, but I'm not who you should be "trying" to discredit, go fight the USDA, NEJOM, and most major Health organizations if you want to change the way the human metabolic process is described.
Personally, I think you skimmed this post, read the title, and decided you didn't agree. Just my opinion, but what you stated tends to lean toward it in my opinion.0 -
Banks, you can't just give a link to the Mayo Clinic's website that explains metabolism (sort of) and say it's citing your cause.
*sigh*
"Weight gain is more likely due to an energy imbalance — consuming more calories than your body burns. To lose weight, then, you need to create an energy deficit by eating fewer calories, increasing the number of calories you burn through physical activity, or preferably both."
...that doesn't prove your claim!
I'm hesitant to jump in here but what the heck
Maybe you're misunderstanding--No one is talking about eating more than what your body burns in a day. What is being referred to here is that if someone has already cut down their caloric intake to below their daily basal metabolic rate to create a calorie deficit, then even if they don't exercise they will lost weight.
So, if you add exercise on top of that, you are creating even more of a daily caloric deficit by now burning up even more of the calories that you have eaten. Thereby, reducing the amount of caloric energy available to your body to function.
Most people seem to reduce their caloric intake to 1200 a day when trying to lose weight--even though for most people that is too large a deficit. But....if they then exercise and burn up, say, 300 calories, now they are only giving their body a total of 900 calories to function that day. And that ain't good. Too long at that low level of calories will cause problems.
Some of us, like me, who over a large amount to lose (still got over a 100 pounds to go personally) can get away with fudging on how many a day to eat and how much of our exercise calories to eat. We've got enough fat for our body to draw on for energy. BUT FOR MOST--like you who have a relatively small amount to lose, it's not advised by most doctors to ever ever ever go under 1200 a day.
Not sure if any of this makes sense.
I will tell you this--I have lost 30 pounds in a little over 2 months--I eat at least 90% of my exercise calories every day. I feel great, I'm losing weight, and I'm not starving. Proof is in the pudding, I guess. I've tried this before "your" way--by exercising the heck out of my body, eating barely 1000 calories total a day, and I starved all the time, and did bad things to my body.
Frankly, I prefer the way I'm doing it now--eating healthy, exercising, and eating most--if not all--my exercise calories.
But, do what you want when it comes down to you.
Banks, me, and many others on here have lost weight eating our exercise calories. If you disagree, fine. But don't question how others have lost weight, as long as they did it by being healthy.
People come on here to get help, support, and suggestions--and I tend to listen most to those who have been the most successful AND have done it in a healthy manner--but that's me.0 -
I'm hesitant to jump in here but what the heck
Maybe you're misunderstanding--No one is talking about eating more than what your body burns in a day. What is being referred to here is that if someone has already cut down their caloric intake to below their daily basal metabolic rate to create a calorie deficit, then even if they don't exercise they will lost weight.
So, if you add exercise on top of that, you are creating even more of a daily caloric deficit by now burning up even more of the calories that you have eaten. Thereby, reducing the amount of caloric energy available to your body to function.
Most people seem to reduce their caloric intake to 1200 a day when trying to lose weight--even though for most people that is too large a deficit. But....if they then exercise and burn up, say, 300 calories, now they are only giving their body a total of 900 calories to function that day. And that ain't good. Too long at that low level of calories will cause problems.
Some of us, like me, who over a large amount to lose (still got over a 100 pounds to go personally) can get away with fudging on how many a day to eat and how much of our exercise calories to eat. We've got enough fat for our body to draw on for energy. BUT FOR MOST--like you who have a relatively small amount to lose, it's not advised by most doctors to ever ever ever go under 1200 a day.
Not sure if any of this makes sense.
I will tell you this--I have lost 30 pounds in a little over 2 months--I eat at least 90% of my exercise calories every day. I feel great, I'm losing weight, and I'm not starving. Proof is in the pudding, I guess. I've tried this before "your" way--by exercising the heck out of my body, eating barely 1000 calories total a day, and I starved all the time, and did bad things to my body.
Frankly, I prefer the way I'm doing it now--eating healthy, exercising, and eating most--if not all--my exercise calories.
But, do what you want when it comes down to you.
Banks, me, and many others on here have lost weight eating our exercise calories. If you disagree, fine. But don't question how others have lost weight, as long as they did it by being healthy.
People come on here to get help, support, and suggestions--and I tend to listen most to those who have been the most successful AND have done it in a healthy manner--but that's me.
Nods head in approval.
Weightloss (1lb=3500 Calories) = Calories In - Calories Out and that daily total should be NO MORE than 500 calories per day (for 1lb per week) less than your BMR (not to be less than 1200).0 -
Banks, you can't just give a link to the Mayo Clinic's website that explains metabolism (sort of) and say it's citing your cause.
*sigh*
"Weight gain is more likely due to an energy imbalance — consuming more calories than your body burns. To lose weight, then, you need to create an energy deficit by eating fewer calories, increasing the number of calories you burn through physical activity, or preferably both."
...that doesn't prove your claim!
First, I most certainly CAN state that as I'm not trying to prove the theory of metabolism to you, as it is already a proven fact, if you want to learn about the metabolism, go find an Anatomy and Physiology book but don't try to FLAME on me! Second, It's obvious to me you didn't read my initial post, because your second paragraph basically says the same thing as it. I just go into more depth then that to try to explain WHY it happens.
I find it amusing that you call what I wrote a "claim"; I didn't claim anything in that post. I just summarized generally accepted theories. You want to fight the establishment about how the metabolism works, go right ahead, but I'm not who you should be "trying" to discredit, go fight the USDA, NEJOM, and most major Health organizations if you want to change the way the human metabolic process is described.
Personally, I think you skimmed this post, read the title, and decided you didn't agree. Just my opinion, but what you stated tends to lean toward it in my opinion.
I know how metabolism works, Banks. You don't have to treat me like I'm a child. I'm not trying to flame "on" you. I said I don't believe that you need to eat all of your exercise calories in order to lose weight.
I still don't see concerete evidence (or a well-laid out theory) as to why. Just because you type out a lot of words doesn't mean you have evidence.
I even poked around online quite a bit after reading your stuff to get more insight. I found nothing. Hey, I was happy because I wanted to eat more!
If you read to what I was saying, Banks, I never said you were trying to prove theories of "metabolism".
I said your theory that eating exercise calories leads to weight loss better results than not...that's the mindset that's all over MFP and you seem to repeat (including this post). If I'm wrong, correct me and I'll stand corrected!0 -
thats the accepted theory all over MFP because thats the theory OF MFP... Thats how Mike designed the site to work (correct me if I'm wrong).0
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Banks, you can't just give a link to the Mayo Clinic's website that explains metabolism (sort of) and say it's citing your cause.
*sigh*
"Weight gain is more likely due to an energy imbalance — consuming more calories than your body burns. To lose weight, then, you need to create an energy deficit by eating fewer calories, increasing the number of calories you burn through physical activity, or preferably both."
...that doesn't prove your claim!
First, I most certainly CAN state that as I'm not trying to prove the theory of metabolism to you, as it is already a proven fact, if you want to learn about the metabolism, go find an Anatomy and Physiology book but don't try to FLAME on me! Second, It's obvious to me you didn't read my initial post, because your second paragraph basically says the same thing as it. I just go into more depth then that to try to explain WHY it happens.
I find it amusing that you call what I wrote a "claim"; I didn't claim anything in that post. I just summarized generally accepted theories. You want to fight the establishment about how the metabolism works, go right ahead, but I'm not who you should be "trying" to discredit, go fight the USDA, NEJOM, and most major Health organizations if you want to change the way the human metabolic process is described.
Personally, I think you skimmed this post, read the title, and decided you didn't agree. Just my opinion, but what you stated tends to lean toward it in my opinion.
I know how metabolism works, Banks. You don't have to treat me like I'm a child. I'm not trying to flame "on" you. I said I don't believe that you need to eat all of your exercise calories in order to lose weight.
I still don't see concerete evidence (or a well-laid out theory) as to why. Just because you type out a lot of words doesn't mean you have evidence.
I even poked around online quite a bit after reading your stuff to get more insight. I found nothing. Hey, I was happy because I wanted to eat more!
If you read to what I was saying, Banks, I never said you were trying to prove theories of "metabolism".
I said your theory that eating exercise calories leads to weight loss better results than not...that's the mindset that's all over MFP and you seem to repeat (including this post). If I'm wrong, correct me and I'll stand corrected!
OK OK OK... here's an idea. Everyone keep moving forward with trying to live a healthier life. Everyone has different ways to go about doing so, and everyone needs to find what works for them. I believe the most important thing here is Banks cares about everyone here on this site and was trying to give some helpful tips and information. If one finds that they do not agree, then that is ok. Bottom line is we all want to be happier and healthier and love encouraging others to do so. Right?! Ty 0 -
Ok I can't hold it any longer in:explode: ... I appologise in advance...
I need to loose weight. I have tried all the diets that are out there. I have lost 11 pounds in 4 weeks ( granted I have lots to loose) . I know from experience that low carb doesn't work for me in the long run
so I WOULD NOT go on atkins and try to loose weight there! If you don't believe that this works,why would you use the sight? If I put 10 gallons in my tank ( which at this prices is very unlikely:grumble: ) then I'll go about 290 miles, if I run over 70 miles an hour I won't even make it that far. So in order to make it to my destination I have to put more fuel in...
That's the way I feel, I believe Banks invests a lot of time and energie to make this sientific stuff more understandable to us and I really love Mike for giving us this sight, so if you don't like it, there are lots of other sites out there.
Sorry guys but I had to do that I know it might not be nice but there are lots of people that are helpful and informed.....0
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